• Gene Roddenberry's son found William Shatner telling Trekkies to "get a

    From tmc1982@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 3 15:49:00 2021
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    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-roddenberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star Trek 55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did not have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."

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  • From A Friend@21:1/5 to tmc1982@gmail.com on Thu Sep 9 07:35:08 2021
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    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>, <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star Trek 55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did not have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to A Friend on Thu Sep 9 05:13:05 2021
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    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>, <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek >> convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on
    several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded,
    intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.


    It’s pathetic that Gene Roddenberry’s son is this desperate for attention and this is the best he can come up with to get his name mentioned on Star Trek’s birthday.


    “The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

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  • From A Friend@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Thu Sep 9 11:13:08 2021
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    In article
    <884493484.652882222.616192.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>, <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-
    rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star >> Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did >> not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek
    convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on
    several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, >> intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.


    Its pathetic that Gene Roddenberrys son is this desperate for attention
    and this is the best he can come up with to get his name mentioned on Star Treks birthday.


    That's exactly the right word. Pathetic.

    My 13yo ass was firmly planted on the living room rug for that Salt
    Vampire episode. My mother complained I should have been doing
    homework. (It would not be the last time.) BTW Star Trek is still
    here and that high school is off in limbo somewhere.

    I remain sincerely grateful to anyone who had anything to do with
    making the show. It got me through some awful times back then.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to A Friend on Thu Sep 9 11:54:38 2021
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    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article
    <884493484.652882222.616192.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>,
    <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-
    rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star >>>> Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did >>>> not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek
    convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on >>>> several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, >>>> intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.


    It¹s pathetic that Gene Roddenberry¹s son is this desperate for attention >> and this is the best he can come up with to get his name mentioned on Star >> Trek¹s birthday.


    That's exactly the right word. Pathetic.

    My 13yo ass was firmly planted on the living room rug for that Salt
    Vampire episode. My mother complained I should have been doing
    homework. (It would not be the last time.) BTW Star Trek is still
    here and that high school is off in limbo somewhere.

    I remain sincerely grateful to anyone who had anything to do with
    making the show. It got me through some awful times back then.


    Well, except for Freddy Fryberger.

    --
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  • From A Friend@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Thu Sep 9 16:09:09 2021
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    In article
    <800181054.652906042.720848.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <884493484.652882222.616192.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>,
    <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:




    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gen
    e-
    rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star >>>> Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did
    not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star >>>> Trek
    convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on >>>> several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, >>>> intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.


    It1s pathetic that Gene Roddenberry1s son is this desperate for attention >> and this is the best he can come up with to get his name mentioned on Star >> Trek1s birthday.


    That's exactly the right word. Pathetic.

    My 13yo ass was firmly planted on the living room rug for that Salt
    Vampire episode. My mother complained I should have been doing
    homework. (It would not be the last time.) BTW Star Trek is still
    here and that high school is off in limbo somewhere.

    I remain sincerely grateful to anyone who had anything to do with
    making the show. It got me through some awful times back then.


    Well, except for Freddy Fryberger.


    OK, there's that.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 10 02:32:46 2021
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    On 2021-09-09 2:54 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article
    <884493484.652882222.616192.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>,
    <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-
    rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star >>>>> Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did >>>>> not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek
    convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on >>>>> several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, >>>>> intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."


    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.


    It¹s pathetic that Gene Roddenberry¹s son is this desperate for attention >>> and this is the best he can come up with to get his name mentioned on Star >>> Trek¹s birthday.


    That's exactly the right word. Pathetic.

    My 13yo ass was firmly planted on the living room rug for that Salt
    Vampire episode. My mother complained I should have been doing
    homework. (It would not be the last time.) BTW Star Trek is still
    here and that high school is off in limbo somewhere.

    I remain sincerely grateful to anyone who had anything to do with
    making the show. It got me through some awful times back then.


    Well, except for Freddy Fryberger.

    Season 3 of ST:TOS was pretty awful and I've heard Freiburger had a LOT
    to do with that. Still, the man has *some* skills. I was watching the
    first season of Beverly Hillbillies a few weeks back on YouTube and was surprised to see that he had writing credits on some of the episodes
    late in the first season. They weren't bad episodes either. Maybe he
    should have stayed in comedy....

    I just had a glance at his mini-bio in IMDB and it is somewhat less
    harsh about Freiburger than fans typically are:

    =======================================================================
    Fred Freiberger was born and raised in New York's Bronx. For a while,
    he worked in advertising. During World War II he joined the 8th Air
    Force as a navigator, was shot down and spent 22 months as a POW in
    Germany. Upon his repatriation he briefly studied at the Institute of
    Film at Pace University and eventually made his way to Hollywood on his
    Air Force back pay. Hoping to obtain a job as a publicist, Freiberger
    found himself sidelined by an industry strike, remaining unemployed and
    without funds. While waiting for the strike to be resolved he began to
    write. He managed to sell his first story to Comet Productions which was
    owned by Mary Pickford. This was followed by his first science-fiction
    effort for an anthology TV series, The Clock (1949). Free-lancing during
    the next few years, he co-wrote the script for the cult classic The
    Beast from 20, 000 Fathoms (1953) and developed the original story for a superior outdoor western, Garden of Evil (1954), which starred Gary
    Cooper and Susan Hayward. During the next ten years, Freiberger became
    one of the most prolific writers of western teleplays in the business,
    working on such popular fare as Cheyenne (1955), Rawhide (1959) and
    Laramie (1959).

    Freiberger's first significant contribution to science fiction was as
    producer of The Wild Wild West (1965), for which he was brought in to
    devise ingenious cliffhangers and off-beat futuristic gadgets. This necessitated bigger budgets and brought about creative clashes with CBS executives who failed to grasp the show's concept. Freiberger was sacked
    after ten episodes. Because of a planned European vacation, he then
    spurned an offer by Gene Roddenberry to produce Star Trek: The Original
    Series (1966) from the onset. However, in 1968, he took up the option to produce the show in its final season. By then, severe budgetary cuts
    (which resulted in many 'bottle show' episodes and lower quality
    scripts), the exodus of top creative talent and the take-over of Desilu
    by Paramount all had detrimental effects on a series which (despite its ever-loyal following) had not seen an increase in ratings since season
    one. Freiberger often butted heads with writers and directors and was criticised for overemphasizing action at the expense of character
    development. In the end, many people laid blame for the cancellation of
    "Star Trek" firmly at Freiberger's feet. Not everybody, including
    William Shatner and Robert H. Justman, agreed. Moreover, NBC's
    unreasonable re-slotting of "Star Trek" to the Friday 'hour of death'
    (10 P.M.) was definitely a chief contributing factor to the show's demise.

    After "Star Trek", Freiberger managed to get Space: 1999 (1975) to be
    picked up for a second season. He created new characters (dashing Tony Verdeschi and shape-shifting Maya, played by Catherine Schell) in an
    effort to boost ratings. He also penned three episodes himself under nom
    de plume Charles Woodgrove. However, the series did not survive and Freiberger's subsequent unhappy association with the final season of The
    Six Million Dollar Man (1974) put him again in the public mind as a
    scapegoat, earning him in some quarters the unkind, and certainly
    undeserved sobriquet 'the series killer'.

    The first interracial kiss on U.S. television (between Kirk and Uhura in
    the episode "Plato's Stepchildren") took place on his watch, though the
    praise went to Roddenberry who was not in any way associated with the
    episode. ==========================================================================

    Food for thought....

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to A Friend on Fri Sep 10 13:16:26 2021
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    On 09/09/2021 12:35, A Friend wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>, <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek >> convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on
    several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded,
    intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."

    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.

    It was funny and meant in good humour. People with a life took it that
    way...

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri Sep 10 08:31:21 2021
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    On 2021 Sep 10, Rhino wrote
    (in article <sheu6f$vfd$1@dont-email.me>):

    Season 3 of ST:TOS was pretty awful and I've heard Freiburger had a LOT
    to do with that.

    Hmm. Season 3 includes:

    Elan of Troyius

    The Enterprise Incident

    The Tholian Web

    all of which were pretty good, and superior to Season 2 episodes such as (ughhhhh!) The Omega Glory.

    Of course, Season 3 also included Spock’s Brain, which pulls down the
    average considerably.

    There’s no doubt that Season 2 (despite The Omega Glory) was the best
    season, but a case can be made for saying that Season 3 was second best.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Fri Sep 10 13:11:53 2021
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    In article <shfiar$2ff$1@dont-email.me>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    On 09/09/2021 12:35, A Friend wrote:
    In article <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>,
    <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl-skit-gene-rod >>> denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who launched Star Trek
    55 years ago last month, thought of the SNL sketch. "Dad
    passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was a young, immature kid who did not
    have those kinds of conversations with him." But Rod
    Roddenberry says he personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek >>> convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a producer on
    several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood reporter. "I think
    it was disrespectful, especially for a character who was an open-minded, >>> intelligent leader." He adds: But I don't condemn it in any way.
    It's Saturday Night Live, and it's all fun."

    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't condemn it in
    any way." If you try to have it both ways, you usually get caught.

    It was funny and meant in good humour. People with a life took it that
    way...

    SNL does suck!
    --
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Sep 10 09:58:48 2021
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    On 2021-09-10 8:31 AM, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Sep 10, Rhino wrote
    (in article <sheu6f$vfd$1@dont-email.me>):

    Season 3 of ST:TOS was pretty awful and I've heard Freiburger had a LOT
    to do with that.

    Hmm. Season 3 includes:

    Elan of Troyius

    The Enterprise Incident

    The Tholian Web

    all of which were pretty good, and superior to Season 2 episodes such as (ughhhhh!) The Omega Glory.

    Of course, Season 3 also included Spock’s Brain, which pulls down the average considerably.

    There’s no doubt that Season 2 (despite The Omega Glory) was the best season, but a case can be made for saying that Season 3 was second best.

    You're refuting Anim but you've replied as if you're refuting me.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Fri Sep 10 10:45:26 2021
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    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:shflip$ie6$87@gallifrey.nk.ca:

    In article <shfiar$2ff$1@dont-email.me>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    On 09/09/2021 12:35, A Friend wrote:
    In article
    <n00bf79a-8073-45dc-bc1d-ba4991aec90an@googlegroups.com>,
    <tmc1982@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/william-shatner-snl- >>skit-gene-rod
    denberry-star-trek-disappointed-rod-roddenberry-1235007546/

    Rod Roddenberry says he has no idea what his late dad, who
    launched Star Trek 55 years ago last month, thought of the
    SNL sketch. "Dad passed away when I was 17," he says. "I was
    a young, immature kid who did not have those kinds of
    conversations with him." But Rod Roddenberry says he
    personally hated the 1986 SNL sketch set at a Star Trek
    convention. "I never really appreciated that skit because I
    think it was demeaning to the fans," Roddenberry, who is a
    producer on several Star Trek projects, tells The Hollywood
    reporter. "I think it was disrespectful, especially for a
    character who was an open-minded, intelligent leader." He
    adds: But I don't condemn it in any way. It's Saturday Night
    Live, and it's all fun."

    The '86 sketch was hilarious and an all-time classic.

    RodRod says "I think it was disrespectful" but "I don't
    condemn it in any way." If you try to have it both ways, you
    usually get caught.

    It was funny and meant in good humour. People with a life took
    it that way...

    SNL does suck!

    It certainly did by 1986. The first couple of seasons were
    hysterical (at least when I was a teenager), but then all the funny
    people left.

    I never much liked that sketch because it wasn't funny.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
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