On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a >> certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge
implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
More climate alarmist speculation based on proven unreliable computer modeling with built-in bias.
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
http://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/ In part the following is stated:
"The Gulf Stream-European climate myth
"The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population
that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than,
say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the
mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
"We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly
Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in
determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean. Popular versions of this story can be found here, here and, in French,
here.
"The determinants of North Atlantic regional climates
"We showed that there are three processes that need to be evaluated:
The ocean absorbs heat in summer and releases it in winter. Regions that are downwind of oceans in winter will have mild climates.
This process does not require ocean currents or ocean heat transport.
"The atmosphere moves heat poleward and warm climates where the heat converges. In additions, the waviness in the atmospheric flow
creates warm climates where the air flows poleward and cold climates where it flows equatorward.
The ocean moves heat poleward and will warm climates where it releases heat and the atmosphere picks it up and moves it onto land.
Using observations and climate models we found that, at the latitudes of Europe, the atmospheric heat transport exceeds that of
the ocean by several fold. In winter it may even by an order of magnitude greater. Thus it is the atmosphere, not the ocean, that
does the lion's share of the work ameliorating winter climates in the extratropics. We also found that the seasonal absorption and
release of heat by the ocean has a much larger impact on regional climates than does the movement of heat by ocean currents.
"Seasonal storage and release accounts for half the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic Ocean. But the 500
pound gorilla in how regional climates are determined around the Atlantic turned out to be the Rocky Mountains. Because of the
need to conserve angular momentum, as air flows from the west across the mountains it is forced to first turn south and then to
turn north further downstream. As such the mountains force cold air south into eastern North America and warm air north into
western Europe. This waviness in the flow is responsible for the other half of the temperature difference across the North
Atlantic Ocean.
"Hence:
Fifty percent of the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic is caused by the eastward atmospheric transport of
heat released by the ocean that was absorbed and stored in the summer.
Fifty percent is caused by the stationary waves of the atmospheric flow.
The ocean heat transport contributes a small warming across the basin."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are lies all you've got, 'kensi'?
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a >certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge >implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
On 2021-02-26 8:49 p.m., Jackson Sprat wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:this is not a group about the weather
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a >>> certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge
implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
More climate alarmist speculation based on proven unreliable computer modeling with built-in bias.
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
http://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/ In part the following is stated:
"The Gulf Stream-European climate myth
"The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population
that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than,
say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the
mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
"We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly
Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in
determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean. Popular versions of this story can be found here, here and, in French,
here.
"The determinants of North Atlantic regional climates
"We showed that there are three processes that need to be evaluated:
The ocean absorbs heat in summer and releases it in winter. Regions that are downwind of oceans in winter will have mild climates.
This process does not require ocean currents or ocean heat transport.
"The atmosphere moves heat poleward and warm climates where the heat converges. In additions, the waviness in the atmospheric flow
creates warm climates where the air flows poleward and cold climates where it flows equatorward.
The ocean moves heat poleward and will warm climates where it releases heat and the atmosphere picks it up and moves it onto land.
Using observations and climate models we found that, at the latitudes of Europe, the atmospheric heat transport exceeds that of
the ocean by several fold. In winter it may even by an order of magnitude greater. Thus it is the atmosphere, not the ocean, that
does the lion's share of the work ameliorating winter climates in the extratropics. We also found that the seasonal absorption and
release of heat by the ocean has a much larger impact on regional climates than does the movement of heat by ocean currents.
"Seasonal storage and release accounts for half the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic Ocean. But the 500
pound gorilla in how regional climates are determined around the Atlantic turned out to be the Rocky Mountains. Because of the
need to conserve angular momentum, as air flows from the west across the mountains it is forced to first turn south and then to
turn north further downstream. As such the mountains force cold air south into eastern North America and warm air north into
western Europe. This waviness in the flow is responsible for the other half of the temperature difference across the North
Atlantic Ocean.
"Hence:
Fifty percent of the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic is caused by the eastward atmospheric transport of
heat released by the ocean that was absorbed and stored in the summer.
Fifty percent is caused by the stationary waves of the atmospheric flow.
The ocean heat transport contributes a small warming across the basin."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are lies all you've got, 'kensi'?
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2020/09/new-studies-confirm-weakening-of-the-gulf-stream-circulation-amoc/
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a >> certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge
implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
[snip outdated research from over a decade ago]
On 2/26/2021 10:49 PM, Jackson Sprat wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a >>> certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge
implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
[snip outdated research from over a decade ago] >http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2020/09/new-studies-confirm-weakening-of-the-gulf-stream-circulation-amoc/
"the 'cold blob' out in the Atlantic also influences the weather"
https://skepticalscience.com/north-atlantic-current-slowing.html
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 23:10:02 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:
On 2/26/2021 10:49 PM, Jackson Sprat wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2020/09/new-studies-confirm-weakening-of-the-gulf-stream-circulation-amoc/
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a
certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge >>>> implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
[snip outdated research from over a decade ago]
"the 'cold blob' out in the Atlantic also influences the weather"
https://skepticalscience.com/north-atlantic-current-slowing.html
You really DO need to stop flogging that dead horse, 'kensi'. Just because you repeat a lie often enough it doesn't mean
it evolves into the truth.
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:03:00 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-26 8:49 p.m., Jackson Sprat wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 22:32:44 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:this is not a group about the weather
AMOC is one of the global climate “tipping points”. If reduced beyond a
certain, currently uncertain, limit it may collapse suddenly, with huge >>>> implications for our lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/atlantic-currents-climate-oceans-next-century
More climate alarmist speculation based on proven unreliable computer modeling with built-in bias.
Here's an article that debunks your alarmist-inspired speculation:
http://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/ In part the following is stated:
"The Gulf Stream-European climate myth
"The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population
that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than,
say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the
mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof. >>>
"We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly
Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in
determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean. Popular versions of this story can be found here, here and, in French,
here.
"The determinants of North Atlantic regional climates
"We showed that there are three processes that need to be evaluated:
The ocean absorbs heat in summer and releases it in winter. Regions that are downwind of oceans in winter will have mild climates.
This process does not require ocean currents or ocean heat transport.
"The atmosphere moves heat poleward and warm climates where the heat converges. In additions, the waviness in the atmospheric flow
creates warm climates where the air flows poleward and cold climates where it flows equatorward.
The ocean moves heat poleward and will warm climates where it releases heat and the atmosphere picks it up and moves it onto land.
Using observations and climate models we found that, at the latitudes of Europe, the atmospheric heat transport exceeds that of
the ocean by several fold. In winter it may even by an order of magnitude greater. Thus it is the atmosphere, not the ocean, that
does the lion's share of the work ameliorating winter climates in the extratropics. We also found that the seasonal absorption and
release of heat by the ocean has a much larger impact on regional climates than does the movement of heat by ocean currents.
"Seasonal storage and release accounts for half the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic Ocean. But the 500
pound gorilla in how regional climates are determined around the Atlantic turned out to be the Rocky Mountains. Because of the
need to conserve angular momentum, as air flows from the west across the mountains it is forced to first turn south and then to
turn north further downstream. As such the mountains force cold air south into eastern North America and warm air north into
western Europe. This waviness in the flow is responsible for the other half of the temperature difference across the North
Atlantic Ocean.
"Hence:
Fifty percent of the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic is caused by the eastward atmospheric transport of
heat released by the ocean that was absorbed and stored in the summer.
Fifty percent is caused by the stationary waves of the atmospheric flow. >>> The ocean heat transport contributes a small warming across the basin."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Are lies all you've got, 'kensi'?
And, the last time I looked, this is not a group in which a fat man named 'Dave Keating' can self-declare that he's the moderator.
You really DO need to stop flogging that dead horse, 'kensi'. Just
because you repeat a lie often enough it doesn't mean it evolves into
the truth.
AMOC is one of the global climate tipping points. If reduced beyond a >certain, currently uncertain, limit it may
On 2/26/2021 11:13 PM, Jackson Pratt projected:
You really DO need to stop flogging that dead horse, 'kensi'. Just
because you repeat a lie often enough it doesn't mean it evolves into
the truth.
Tell that to the guy you see in the mirror every morning, k0Ok.
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