• Supergirl LGBTQ Controversy Explained: Why Fans Are Angry - For a show

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 12 07:17:28 2021
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    Supergirl season 6 caused a controversy among fans because it omitted an important LGBTQ+ storyline. By choosing to have Alex Danvers (Chyler Leigh) tell Kelly Olsen (Azie Tesfai) about her sister's secret identity off-screen
    in "A Few Good Women," season 6, episode 2, Supergirl did a major disservice
    to the fans of the couple. It also was disrespectful to the couple
    themselves, which was a surprising move from a show that has built a
    reputation on representation.

    One of the biggest moments in season 2 was when Alex chose to share
    Supergirl’s identity with her first love, Maggie Sawyer. Kara was missing and Alex blamed herself for being with Maggie when that occurred. Her reactions caused her to act rashly and back away from the detective, damaging their new relationship. Thankfully, Maggie was forgiving and revealed she'd already figured it out; she was glad that Alex had been honest with her so they could move forward without such a major secret between them.

    Ironically, in "Rebirth," the season 6 premiere, Alex found herself in a similar position with her current partner Kelly Olsen. An extended scene was devoted to Alex pondering how to tell Kelly about her sister after Lex sent Kara to the Phantom Zone. Both Lena and J'onn encouraged her to tell Kelly
    the truth. Fans were buzzing about the revelation scene between the two all week on social media before the episode, as Kelly would be the last of the
    main characters to learn Kara’s secret. When the show failed to deliver the highly anticipated moment, choosing to have that moment take place off-
    screen, fans poured out their outrage on social media. Many felt betrayed or annoyed that they had been denied seeing such a significant moment of growth for the new couple [via Cinema Blend].

    Not only had Supergirl built up the moment in the premiere, but it also hyped fans by including a teaser moment in the episode 2 trailer featuring Kelly Olsen saying, "Let's go save Supergirl," intimating that scene took place
    after the reveal. Instead, viewers were confused about whether Kelly knew or not through much of the episode. The press release for episode 2 teased Alex would reach her “breaking point,” but that apparently meant half-heartedly throwing a Chinese food carton at a sink. Subsequently, Alex and Kelly’s
    brief conversation near the end of the episode carried little weight.

    Another reason fans were highly anticipating that scene was a growing concern that the show was neglecting its canon LGBTQ+ couple, who were already receiving less and less screen time. By not showing Kelly's response to the news, the show indicated Kelly's response didn't matter. Per the showrunners, Alex and Kelly’s conversation didn’t happen onscreen because Kelly would have had a positive reaction. Fans have interpreted those remarks as the
    showrunners saying that Kelly’s just a supporting character in other people's stories, that how this would personally affect her isn't significant further igniting the ire of an already outraged fan base.

    In their early years, Arrowverse shows would often introduce LGBTQ+
    characters and leave them on the fringes of the story. Supergirl season 6 signaled they wanted to break that mold with Alex's coming out story and subsequent journey. For a show that has received GLAAD nominations multiple times during its run, this misstep is a massive, missed opportunity to give depth and screen time to Kelly and Alex’s healthy, loving relationship. In addition, it was a missed opportunity to provide a stark contrast to Supergirl’s secret identity reveal, showing the difference between Kelly’s
    calm reaction to Lena’s anger that dominated most of season 5. Whether the revelation scene was filmed but just edited out has not been confirmed; however, in an episode disproportionately filled with awkward scenes, the bottom line is Alex and Kelly, and the fans deserved better.


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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Mon Apr 12 04:33:52 2021
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    The person who wrote this is an idiot. Alex shouldn’t be telling anybody
    who supergirl is. It’s not her secret to blab.



    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Supergirl season 6 caused a controversy among fans because it omitted an important LGBTQ+ storyline. By choosing to have Alex Danvers (Chyler Leigh) tell Kelly Olsen (Azie Tesfai) about her sister's secret identity off-screen in "A Few Good Women," season 6, episode 2, Supergirl did a major disservice to the fans of the couple. It also was disrespectful to the couple themselves, which was a surprising move from a show that has built a reputation on representation.

    One of the biggest moments in season 2 was when Alex chose to share Supergirl’s identity with her first love, Maggie Sawyer. Kara was missing and
    Alex blamed herself for being with Maggie when that occurred. Her reactions caused her to act rashly and back away from the detective, damaging their new relationship. Thankfully, Maggie was forgiving and revealed she'd already figured it out; she was glad that Alex had been honest with her so they could move forward without such a major secret between them.

    Ironically, in "Rebirth," the season 6 premiere, Alex found herself in a similar position with her current partner Kelly Olsen. An extended scene was devoted to Alex pondering how to tell Kelly about her sister after Lex sent Kara to the Phantom Zone. Both Lena and J'onn encouraged her to tell Kelly the truth. Fans were buzzing about the revelation scene between the two all week on social media before the episode, as Kelly would be the last of the main characters to learn Kara’s secret. When the show failed to deliver the highly anticipated moment, choosing to have that moment take place off- screen, fans poured out their outrage on social media. Many felt betrayed or annoyed that they had been denied seeing such a significant moment of growth for the new couple [via Cinema Blend].

    Not only had Supergirl built up the moment in the premiere, but it also hyped fans by including a teaser moment in the episode 2 trailer featuring Kelly Olsen saying, "Let's go save Supergirl," intimating that scene took place after the reveal. Instead, viewers were confused about whether Kelly knew or not through much of the episode. The press release for episode 2 teased Alex would reach her “breaking point,” but that apparently meant half-heartedly
    throwing a Chinese food carton at a sink. Subsequently, Alex and Kelly’s brief conversation near the end of the episode carried little weight.

    Another reason fans were highly anticipating that scene was a growing concern that the show was neglecting its canon LGBTQ+ couple, who were already receiving less and less screen time. By not showing Kelly's response to the news, the show indicated Kelly's response didn't matter. Per the showrunners, Alex and Kelly’s conversation didn’t happen onscreen because Kelly would have
    had a positive reaction. Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying that Kelly’s just a supporting character in other people's
    stories, that how this would personally affect her isn't significant further igniting the ire of an already outraged fan base.

    In their early years, Arrowverse shows would often introduce LGBTQ+ characters and leave them on the fringes of the story. Supergirl season 6 signaled they wanted to break that mold with Alex's coming out story and subsequent journey. For a show that has received GLAAD nominations multiple times during its run, this misstep is a massive, missed opportunity to give depth and screen time to Kelly and Alex’s healthy, loving relationship. In addition, it was a missed opportunity to provide a stark contrast to Supergirl’s secret identity reveal, showing the difference between Kelly’s
    calm reaction to Lena’s anger that dominated most of season 5. Whether the revelation scene was filmed but just edited out has not been confirmed; however, in an episode disproportionately filled with awkward scenes, the bottom line is Alex and Kelly, and the fans deserved better.


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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Mon Apr 12 12:04:08 2021
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    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    The person who wrote this is an idiot. Alex shouldn't be telling anybody
    who supergirl is. It's not her secret to blab.

    This is a Bertilini show. What were expecting? :-D

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 12 08:25:39 2021
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    On 4/12/2021 4:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    The person who wrote this is an idiot. Alex shouldn’t be telling anybody who supergirl is. It’s not her secret to blab.

    But! Drama!!!


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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Mon Apr 12 10:22:08 2021
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    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying that Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN GIRLFIREND

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon Apr 12 14:30:08 2021
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    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying that Kelly's >> just a supporting character in other people's stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN GIRLFIREND

    LOL!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Apr 12 17:55:04 2021
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    In article <s521jo$nut$4@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying that
    Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN GIRLFIREND

    There are plenty of weeks in which I cannot tell that Supergirl is the
    main character in her own show.

    Oh, that's just mean!
    [Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon Apr 12 14:29:50 2021
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in news:atropos-540F3C.10220812042021@news.giganews.com:

    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying
    that Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's
    stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN
    GIRLFIREND

    That's what you think. The overall audience, apparently, disapgrees.
    I'll be the producers, do, too, in the end.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha on Mon Apr 12 15:15:11 2021
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    Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in news:atropos-540F3C.10220812042021@news.giganews.com:

    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying
    that Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's
    stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN
    GIRLFIREND

    That's what you think. The overall audience, apparently, disapgrees.
    I'll be the producers, do, too, in the end.


    The riders are on record as saying that the social justice messages are
    more important than good scripts.

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 12 16:00:40 2021
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    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote in news:812436976.639958458.028658.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com
    :

    Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote in
    news:atropos-540F3C.10220812042021@news.giganews.com:

    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying
    that Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's
    stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN
    GIRLFIREND

    That's what you think. The overall audience, apparently,
    disapgrees. I'll be the producers, do, too, in the end.


    The riders are on record as saying that the social justice
    messages are more important than good scripts.

    —
    “The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on
    my list.”

    Whether they admit it or not, that's been obvious for a long, long
    time. That's one of the bigger reasons that 90% of what I watch on
    TV is reruns from the 60s and 70s.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 13 22:17:22 2021
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    On 12/04/2021 18:22, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying that Kelly's >> just a supporting character in other people's stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    At times I've thought Supergirl was the supporting character!

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN GIRLFIREND

    Yeah, but I'd watch a show called that... it sounds interesting. :)

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Apr 14 11:39:29 2021
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    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
    news:s551p4$k97$1@dont-email.me:

    On 12/04/2021 18:22, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <s51aet$h61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Fans have interpreted those remarks as the showrunners saying
    that Kelly's just a supporting character in other people's
    stories

    That's literally what she is. A supporting character.

    At times I've thought Supergirl was the supporting character!

    The show is called SUPERGIRL. Not SUPERGIRL'S SISTER'S LESBIAN
    GIRLFIREND

    Yeah, but I'd watch a show called that... it sounds interesting.
    :)

    I expect you could find exactly that on Pornhub if you looked.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From T987654321@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 23 10:40:55 2021
    ROFDLOL at the pampered scum.

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