• Re: Dune 2

    From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Sun Mar 10 23:12:24 2024
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    In article <uscmfk$1422v$2@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.

    But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
    half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.

    I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
    in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
    Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
    of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
    to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."

    That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
    Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
    hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.

    --
    Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
    mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to usenet@mikevanpelt.com on Mon Mar 11 02:44:23 2024
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    In article <usleon$373ft$1@dont-email.me>,
    Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
    In article <uscmfk$1422v$2@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.

    But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
    half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.

    I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
    in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
    Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
    of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
    to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."

    That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
    Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
    hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.


    OTOH, I hated DM, and rather liked COD & GEOD, although apparently
    not sufficiently to follow things after that.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 09:04:06 2024
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    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:40:10 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 10:44 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <usleon$373ft$1@dont-email.me>,
    Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
    In article <uscmfk$1422v$2@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.

    But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
    half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.

    I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
    in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
    Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
    of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
    to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."

    That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
    Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
    hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.


    OTOH, I hated DM, and rather liked COD & GEOD, although apparently
    not sufficiently to follow things after that.

    In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
    here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan >Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
    me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
    did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
    whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
    wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

    That's a good summary.

    IIRC, they were written after the State of Washington found that it
    had, residing within its borders, an author who had made an awful lot
    of money and had paid nothing to the State in business taxes.

    IOW, they were written (IIRC) to pay the tax bill.

    I skipped the posthumous continuation altogether.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 11:36:30 2024
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    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:40:10 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
    here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
    Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
    me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
    did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
    whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
    wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

    Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
    writer?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Sun Mar 17 19:04:37 2024
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    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:40:10 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
    did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
    whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
    wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

    Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost >writer?

    It claims to have been written by Frank Herbert. I would have hoped a
    ghost writer would have done better.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Mar 18 02:21:55 2024
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    In article <ut7es5$lhj$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:40:10 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
    did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
    whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the >>>wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

    Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost >>writer?

    It claims to have been written by Frank Herbert. I would have hoped a
    ghost writer would have done better.

    When Chapterhouse: Dune was released, the San Francisco station
    KGO had Frank Herbert as a guest on Jim Eason's program. Herbert
    was promoting the book there, mixed with general interview stuff
    with the host. At one time getting into a pun competition.

    "What's next, Gunga Dune?"
    "Lorna Dune."
    "Briga Dune."
    "Dune What Comes Naturally"

    With that final one by Herbert, Eason gave up the title of punmaster.

    --
    Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
    mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
    KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 08:40:22 2024
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    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:39:04 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/17/24 2:36 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:40:10 -0400, Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
    here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
    Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of >>> me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
    did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
    whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
    wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

    Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
    writer?

    No - Or at least, Frank Herbert passed away in 1986, and Heretics of
    Dune & Chapterhouse: Dune were published in 1984 & 1985 respectively. >Chapterhouse was the last Dune novel I ever read - and it is very likely
    to remain so.

    I would have liked to learn more about the Honored Matres, but my
    general policy is to /not/ continue with series once the auther ceases
    to be the author. Co-author or new author, it generally not matter.

    There are exceptions: James Bond, one Holmes, finished novels
    published after the author died (quite a few for PK Dick, since he
    couldn't get anyone to publish them while he was alive).
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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