• JOHN CARPENTER'S THE THING (film retrospective by Mark R. Leeper)

    From Mark Leeper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 5 08:22:10 2022
    June 25 is the fortieth anniversary of the release of JOHN
    CARPENTER'S THE THING (not to be confused with THE THING FROM
    ANOTHER WORLd (1951) or THE THING (2011)). Given that it is forty
    years old, and based on a story that is about seventy-five years
    old, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! Briefly, this is a logic puzzle mixed
    with an alien invasion story.

    I started by saying, "My reaction to the opening of this film was
    different from other people's. This film is based on "Who Goes
    There?" by John W. Campbell, Jr., opens with a helicopter chasing a
    dog across a large snowy field. Now I generally like dogs and with
    this one my usual reaction would have been rooting for the dog but
    being very familiar with the story, my reaction was "Get that
    sucker!"

    For that matter, the Norwegian spoken by the pilot at the beginning
    of the film gives away the plot, shouting that the dog isn't really
    a dog, it's some sort of thing imitating a dog.

    While this was not exactly John Carpenter's breakthrough film--it
    came after after DARK STAR, ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, HALLOWEEN, and
    ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK--but it may well be his best film. However,
    it was a commercial and critical flop at the time, and only over
    the years has its gained the stature that it has. (It scores 8.2
    out of 10 on the IMDB, and 83% on Rotten Tomatoes.)

    The original story, and the first movie, were set in the Arctic,
    but this movie is moved to Antarctica. When the story was written,
    and the first movie made, permanent bases were fairly common in the
    Arctic, but not in Antarctica. Moving it to Antarctica gives it
    some hints of H. P. Lovecraft and the Elder Gods.

    It might help one's understanding of the film if one can remember
    what characters had what names, but personally I have never found
    anyone who could keep the characters straight. Is that perhaps to
    emphasize how they are all part of a Protean entity with no
    permanent individuality?

    Jed the dog deserves an acting award. I'm serious about that.
    This dog is better than Boris Karloff at appearing menacing and
    also mysterious. And he never looked at the camera, the dolly, or
    the crew (which is a common acting animal problem).

    Here you have a base made up mostly of scientists, and the only one
    really thinking is the helicopter pilot? (In the original movie
    it's the airplane pilot and the secretary. There seems to be some
    implication that she has some scientific position, but we see her
    typing, making coffee, and doing other non-scientific stuff.)

    Childs (Keith David)'s voice may be familiar, since he has narrated
    many PBS documentaries. Other than Ken Russell and Wilford
    Brimley, though, there are not a lot of familiar faces (which may
    be why it's hard to keep the characters straight).

    Rating: +3 (-4 to +4), or 9/10.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to mleeper@optonline.net on Sun Jun 5 08:49:05 2022
    On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT), Mark Leeper
    <mleeper@optonline.net> wrote:

    June 25 is the fortieth anniversary of the release of JOHN
    CARPENTER'S THE THING (not to be confused with THE THING FROM
    ANOTHER WORLd (1951) or THE THING (2011)). Given that it is forty
    years old, and based on a story that is about seventy-five years
    old, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! Briefly, this is a logic puzzle mixed
    with an alien invasion story.

    I started by saying, "My reaction to the opening of this film was
    different from other people's. This film is based on "Who Goes
    There?" by John W. Campbell, Jr., opens with a helicopter chasing a
    dog across a large snowy field. Now I generally like dogs and with
    this one my usual reaction would have been rooting for the dog but
    being very familiar with the story, my reaction was "Get that
    sucker!"

    It lost points with me at that point and kept going downhill.

    Note that I /really/ like the original!

    For that matter, the Norwegian spoken by the pilot at the beginning
    of the film gives away the plot, shouting that the dog isn't really
    a dog, it's some sort of thing imitating a dog.

    While this was not exactly John Carpenter's breakthrough film--it
    came after after DARK STAR, ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, HALLOWEEN, and
    ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK--but it may well be his best film. However,
    it was a commercial and critical flop at the time, and only over
    the years has its gained the stature that it has. (It scores 8.2
    out of 10 on the IMDB, and 83% on Rotten Tomatoes.)

    The original story, and the first movie, were set in the Arctic,
    but this movie is moved to Antarctica. When the story was written,
    and the first movie made, permanent bases were fairly common in the
    Arctic, but not in Antarctica. Moving it to Antarctica gives it
    some hints of H. P. Lovecraft and the Elder Gods.

    I suppose it might. It didn't matter to me, one way or the other.

    I said I really liked the original, I never said a new version
    couldn't change the location, pointless as that might be.

    Snow, after all, is /snow/, whether Arctic or Antarctic, so the
    scenery is the same.

    It might help one's understanding of the film if one can remember
    what characters had what names, but personally I have never found
    anyone who could keep the characters straight. Is that perhaps to
    emphasize how they are all part of a Protean entity with no
    permanent individuality?

    Or is it because the filmmakers had no understanding of the use of
    makeup and characterization to distinguish the characters?

    I had the same problem with one of the earlier Avengers movies -- we
    saw five or six male Avengers (plus one or two females), but they were
    not in uniform, and I couldn't tell one from another.

    Jed the dog deserves an acting award. I'm serious about that.
    This dog is better than Boris Karloff at appearing menacing and
    also mysterious. And he never looked at the camera, the dolly, or
    the crew (which is a common acting animal problem).

    Take a look at the trailer to the 1934 /The Black Cat/ and consider
    how it uses Karloff to inspire awe and fear in the audience -- by
    showing him sitting up in bed.

    Can the dog do that? I suspect not.

    Also, just because none of the /footage/ shows the dog looking at the
    camera, the dolly, or the crew doesn't mean he/she didn't do so. It
    just means they managed to piece together enough of his takes to avoid
    the problem.

    You are right about animal actors, though. The DVD of /Brotherhood of
    the Wolf/ has a short film which includes footage showing what they
    went through to get a lamb to do what they wanted rather than what it
    wanted. Nothing dangerous; they just wanted to shoot it browsing in a
    specific location. A lot of coaxing was required, as it had other
    ideas.

    Here you have a base made up mostly of scientists, and the only one
    really thinking is the helicopter pilot? (In the original movie
    it's the airplane pilot and the secretary. There seems to be some >implication that she has some scientific position, but we see her
    typing, making coffee, and doing other non-scientific stuff.)

    She also takes his notes for him, which would require a certain
    familiarity with scientific terminology, if only to be able to spell
    the words he uses. And trusted to keep any sensitive information
    private. Then again, she could be a grad student, who can say?

    Childs (Keith David)'s voice may be familiar, since he has narrated
    many PBS documentaries. Other than Ken Russell and Wilford
    Brimley, though, there are not a lot of familiar faces (which may
    be why it's hard to keep the characters straight).

    Rating: +3 (-4 to +4), or 9/10.
    --
    "I begin to envy Petronius."
    "I have envied him long since."

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to mleeper@optonline.net on Mon Jun 6 11:21:12 2022
    On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT), Mark Leeper
    <mleeper@optonline.net> wrote:

    June 25 is the fortieth anniversary of the release of JOHN
    CARPENTER'S THE THING (not to be confused with THE THING FROM
    ANOTHER WORLd (1951) or THE THING (2011)). Given that it is forty
    years old, and based on a story that is about seventy-five years
    old, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! Briefly, this is a logic puzzle mixed
    with an alien invasion story.

    My dad was a big fan of the 1951 movie, so he insisted that I go see Carpenter's version in the theater with him. I was 14 at the time.
    That movie thoroughly traumatized me. Put me off horror movies for
    years. I mean, it was an R rated movie, but my dad assumed it would
    be about as scary as the version from the 50s (which I later saw on TV
    and was amused by how tame it was).

    Anyway, I watched Carpenter's Thing again as an adult and if you can
    deal with the gore, the whole paranoia aspect of being trapped in an
    isolated, remote location and not knowing which members of your group
    may or may not be monsters is pretty compelling.

    -- Bob

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  • From Jack Bohn@21:1/5 to Mark Leeper on Mon Jun 6 04:32:25 2022
    Mark Leeper wrote:
    June 25 is the fortieth anniversary of the release of JOHN
    CARPENTER'S THE THING (not to be confused with THE THING FROM
    ANOTHER WORLd (1951) or THE THING (2011)). Given that it is forty
    years old, and based on a story that is about seventy-five years
    old, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! Briefly, this is a logic puzzle mixed
    with an alien invasion story.

    It might help one's understanding of the film if one can remember
    what characters had what names, but personally I have never found
    anyone who could keep the characters straight. Is that perhaps to
    emphasize how they are all part of a Protean entity with no
    permanent individuality?

    I only ever saw it the once, and I generally blame not distinguishing characters on myself.
    There is a podcast: "The Thing in Character" https://neozaz.com/category/podcasts/ttic/
    I followed over from other podcasts they'd done, and as a primer if I ever do watch it again.
    As they explain in their intro, they go through character by character examining the story of each.
    (They had the advantage of watching it multiple times as projectionists back in the day.)

    --
    -Jack

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