• Re: How to Write Good (Poetry) - 2022 ed.

    From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Wed Jan 19 12:43:02 2022
    On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 9:33:20 AM UTC-5, George J. Dance wrote:


    How to Write Good
    (Poetry)


    <snip>

    After rereading this revision, I decided it was good enough to have a permanent home, so I've added it to PPP as both a poem and a how-to article:

    https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/How_to_Write_Good_(Poetry)

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  • From Terry Stomp@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Wed Jan 19 16:02:41 2022
    On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 9:40:10 AM UTC-5, George J. Dance wrote:
    I've decided to post annual updates of my poessay, "How to Write Good (Poetry)."

    The biggest changes this year were to number off the sections; add hypothetical page breaks (indicated by "~~~"); and introduce one new word: "canon."

    ~~~

    How to Write Good
    (Poetry)

    Do you want to learn
    to write good
    poetry?

    Great: you know what
    You want to learn.

    But why?
    For the money?
    Most poets don't make much.
    For the fame?
    Most poets don't get much.
    Or maybe you're like me:
    I used to write
    a lot of poems
    but I wasn't happy
    with them;
    I didn't think they were good;
    I was never satisfied.
    That's why I learn:
    for my own
    satisfaction.

    If that's why you want
    to learn,
    we've covered
    the what and the why --
    But that still leaves
    the how:

    ~~~

    How do you learn
    to write good
    poetry?

    Short answer:
    1. Read poetry
    2. Practice writing it

    That's answer is true,
    as far as it goes,
    but it doesn't go very far.

    It's like telling someone
    Who wants to learn to play music
    "1. listen to music
    "2. Practice playing it"

    What music?
    How do you listen to it?
    (What are you listening for?)
    And why?

    What do you practice?
    How do you practice it?
    And why?

    What are you trying to get
    from listening and practicing?

    So ...

    ~~~

    Long answer:

    I. Read poetry.

    1. "Read poetry." What poetry?
    Start by reading what you can find.
    Bookmark the poems you like
    and reread them.
    Use the above
    to find poets you like,
    and read more of their work.
    Build a list of good poems,
    poems you have chosen
    for your own reasons,
    as good.

    Those are your "canon."

    But I'll bet you've done
    much of that already.
    If you like poetry,
    you already have
    your favorite poems.
    You have even memorized some.
    So make a list
    of the ones you remember.
    As you think of more,
    seconds, days, weeks
    or months later, go back
    to your list and add them.

    There. You already have a canon.
    It's a good start,
    but it's only a start.
    Keep reading poetry
    And keep building your canon
    while you read.

    ~~~

    2. "Read poetry." How do you read it?
    Study it. Spend time on it,
    the way you'd study a subject
    in school.
    What do you study?
    Reread the poems in your canon.
    How many times?
    As many times as you can,
    Don't stop until
    you memorize them.
    If you liked the poem,
    you already know
    what the poet had to say.
    So now pay attention
    to how he said it:
    Try reading them as poems.

    When you read a poem in your canon,

    Ask:

    What did you like
    about the poem
    /as a poem/?
    Was it the rhyme,
    the cadence,
    the word choices
    and how they sound
    when you read them aloud?
    (What you liked
    does not have to be
    just one thing.)

    Try to discover:

    (A) what did that poet do
    that made his a good poem?

    What skills did he use?
    How did the maker of the poem
    make this mass of words
    Into a poem you liked:
    How did he write a good poem?

    3. "Read poetry." Why?
    As you do the above
    and repeat it
    you are learning
    intuitively or consciously
    what makes a poem good.

    ~~~~

    II. Practice Writing It

    4. "Practice writing it." What do you practice?
    Find an old draft,
    or a not-so-good
    poem, of your own.
    Compare it to a good poem
    from your canon.

    Or, even better,
    reverse the process.
    Choose a poem from your canon
    and write a new poem
    of your own
    on the same subject
    or on the same ideas.
    Then compare the two poems.

    For the poem on your canon
    you have already answered
    (A) what did that poet do
    that made his a good poem?

    Now try to answer
    (B) Can I do what I liked
    about that poem in mine?

    Can I develop that skill?

    ~~~

    5. "Practice writing it." How do you practice?

    (i) Write a poem of your own
    (ii) Compare it to a poem on your canon
    as in the previous section

    Then do it again
    over and over
    with different poems and drafts
    Feel free to mix and match:
    Compare a poem in your canon
    to more than one of yours,
    And one of yours
    To more than one in your canon.
    Do it until
    you have discovered
    and learned
    that poet's skills.

    Then use that skill
    in your new poems.

    6. "Practice writing it." Why?
    The only way
    and all you need
    to learn to write good
    poetry is to learn
    what makes a poem
    good, and how
    to do that yourself.

    Reading and studying
    will teach you
    what makes a poem good.

    Practicing will teach you
    consciously or intuitively
    how to do that yourself.

    Excellent....!

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to tst...@gmail.com on Fri Jan 21 21:33:26 2022
    On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:02:43 PM UTC-5, tst...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 9:40:10 AM UTC-5, George J. Dance wrote:
    I've decided to post annual updates of my poessay, "How to Write Good (Poetry)."

    The biggest changes this year were to number off the sections; add hypothetical page breaks (indicated by "~~~"); and introduce one new word: "canon."

    ~~~

    How to Write Good
    (Poetry)

    Do you want to learn
    to write good
    poetry?

    Great: you know what
    You want to learn.

    But why?
    For the money?
    Most poets don't make much.
    For the fame?
    Most poets don't get much.
    Or maybe you're like me:
    I used to write
    a lot of poems
    but I wasn't happy
    with them;
    I didn't think they were good;
    I was never satisfied.
    That's why I learn:
    for my own
    satisfaction.

    If that's why you want
    to learn,
    we've covered
    the what and the why --
    But that still leaves
    the how:

    ~~~

    How do you learn
    to write good
    poetry?

    Short answer:
    1. Read poetry
    2. Practice writing it

    That's answer is true,
    as far as it goes,
    but it doesn't go very far.

    It's like telling someone
    Who wants to learn to play music
    "1. listen to music
    "2. Practice playing it"

    What music?
    How do you listen to it?
    (What are you listening for?)
    And why?

    What do you practice?
    How do you practice it?
    And why?

    What are you trying to get
    from listening and practicing?

    So ...

    ~~~

    Long answer:

    I. Read poetry.

    1. "Read poetry." What poetry?
    Start by reading what you can find.
    Bookmark the poems you like
    and reread them.
    Use the above
    to find poets you like,
    and read more of their work.
    Build a list of good poems,
    poems you have chosen
    for your own reasons,
    as good.

    Those are your "canon."

    But I'll bet you've done
    much of that already.
    If you like poetry,
    you already have
    your favorite poems.
    You have even memorized some.
    So make a list
    of the ones you remember.
    As you think of more,
    seconds, days, weeks
    or months later, go back
    to your list and add them.

    There. You already have a canon.
    It's a good start,
    but it's only a start.
    Keep reading poetry
    And keep building your canon
    while you read.

    ~~~

    2. "Read poetry." How do you read it?
    Study it. Spend time on it,
    the way you'd study a subject
    in school.
    What do you study?
    Reread the poems in your canon.
    How many times?
    As many times as you can,
    Don't stop until
    you memorize them.
    If you liked the poem,
    you already know
    what the poet had to say.
    So now pay attention
    to how he said it:
    Try reading them as poems.

    When you read a poem in your canon,

    Ask:

    What did you like
    about the poem
    /as a poem/?
    Was it the rhyme,
    the cadence,
    the word choices
    and how they sound
    when you read them aloud?
    (What you liked
    does not have to be
    just one thing.)

    Try to discover:

    (A) what did that poet do
    that made his a good poem?

    What skills did he use?
    How did the maker of the poem
    make this mass of words
    Into a poem you liked:
    How did he write a good poem?

    3. "Read poetry." Why?
    As you do the above
    and repeat it
    you are learning
    intuitively or consciously
    what makes a poem good.

    ~~~~

    II. Practice Writing It

    4. "Practice writing it." What do you practice?
    Find an old draft,
    or a not-so-good
    poem, of your own.
    Compare it to a good poem
    from your canon.

    Or, even better,
    reverse the process.
    Choose a poem from your canon
    and write a new poem
    of your own
    on the same subject
    or on the same ideas.
    Then compare the two poems.

    For the poem on your canon
    you have already answered
    (A) what did that poet do
    that made his a good poem?

    Now try to answer
    (B) Can I do what I liked
    about that poem in mine?

    Can I develop that skill?

    ~~~

    5. "Practice writing it." How do you practice?

    (i) Write a poem of your own
    (ii) Compare it to a poem on your canon
    as in the previous section

    Then do it again
    over and over
    with different poems and drafts
    Feel free to mix and match:
    Compare a poem in your canon
    to more than one of yours,
    And one of yours
    To more than one in your canon.
    Do it until
    you have discovered
    and learned
    that poet's skills.

    Then use that skill
    in your new poems.

    6. "Practice writing it." Why?
    The only way
    and all you need
    to learn to write good
    poetry is to learn
    what makes a poem
    good, and how
    to do that yourself.

    Reading and studying
    will teach you
    what makes a poem good.

    Practicing will teach you
    consciously or intuitively
    how to do that yourself.

    Excellent....!

    Thanks, Zod. I'm happy with it. I will review it next January, but it looks pretty complete as is.

    I'm reaching the end of days, now that I'm retired, and I'd like to start getting my best writing into book form over the next years. At some point I'd like to put out a book on poetics, and I think this poem would make a good title essay.

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