• Two names for a character

    From Brian P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 7 05:26:37 2019
    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name, Eleanor, and the other half of the time I call
    her Ellie, according to the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it. Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it just going to look dumb when it's all
    done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few named characters and none with a name at all similar.

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Brian P. on Thu Feb 7 12:11:28 2019
    On 2/7/19 8:26 AM, Brian P. wrote:

    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name, Eleanor, and the other half of the time I
    call her Ellie, according to the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it. Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it just going to look dumb when it's all
    done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few named characters and none with a name at all similar.

    If this is in the narrative voice and she’s the POV character, some
    readers may suspect that you’re subtly hinting at MPD. If, on the other
    hand, the two names are what other characters call her in dialog,
    following some kind of regular pattern, it may not stand out at all. For reasons too involved to go into here I’ve been “Jay” to my family and “John” to the world for 64 years. My wife has actually learned to code-switch.

    (Indeed, these things can be complex. My wife is actually named
    “Eleanor”, but her two older sisters called her “Ellie” until the two of
    us became engaged. Once she “had a feller of her own” [see “Carousel”], she immediately graduated to “Eleanor”. “Nought so queer as folk.”)

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    "The blind rulers of Logres
    Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
    -- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to john.w.kennedy@gmail.com on Thu Feb 7 17:34:52 2019
    In article <z4mdnfd2QNBd-8HBnZ2dnUU7-WvNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/7/19 8:26 AM, Brian P. wrote:

    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed
    myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the >finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name,
    Eleanor, and the other half of the time I call her Ellie, according to
    the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think
    the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice
    doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it.
    Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it
    just going to look dumb when it's all done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few >named characters and none with a name at all similar.

    If this is in the narrative voice and she’s the POV character, some
    readers may suspect that you’re subtly hinting at MPD. If, on the other >hand, the two names are what other characters call her in dialog,
    following some kind of regular pattern, it may not stand out at all. For >reasons too involved to go into here I've been 'Jay' to my family and
    'John' to the world for 64 years. My wife has actually learned to >code-switch.

    (Indeed, these things can be complex. My wife is actually named
    'Eleanor', but her two older sisters called her 'Ellie' until
    the two of
    us became engaged. Once she 'had a feller of her own' [see 'arousel'],
    she immediately graduated to 'Eleanor'. 'Nought so queer as folk.')

    Perhaps they figured that children got nicknames but when someone
    started courting, she must be an adult. Cf. the right wing
    trying to diss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because she was called
    "Sandy" as a kid.

    My husband, now known to everybody as "Hal," was actually
    christened "Wilson." So was his father. His family called him
    "Willie" to distinguish him from his father, and his mother went
    on calling him that to her dying day. When everybody he knew in
    the SCA started calling him "Hal" because he'd chosen the SCA
    name "Hal Ravn", the rest of his family switched over. Now, when
    I answer the phone and somebody asks to speak to "Wilson," I say,
    "Hey, Hal, it's somebody who doesn't know you. Probably a sales
    pitch."

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Capuchin@21:1/5 to bobthrollop@gmail.com on Thu Feb 7 15:53:16 2019
    On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 05:26:37 -0800 (PST), "Brian P."
    <bobthrollop@gmail.com> wrote:


    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name, Eleanor, and the other half of the time I call
    her Ellie, according to the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it. Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it just going to look dumb when it's all
    done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few named characters and none with a name at all similar.

    It's standard for different characters to use different names.

    If you're doing this in the narrative, then I'm afraid it falls, to my
    mind, into the realm of "is the writer pulling it off well?"

    I can easily picture it being done clumsily, and I can just as easily
    imagine it becomes invisibly, subtly informing the character and
    rounding them out in the reader's mind.

    I suspect if the names jump around paragraph to paragraph, it's going
    to be a mess. If it stays consistent through scenes, especially if
    someone calls them that name near the beginning of that scene, it's
    not going to be noticeable.

    I can't give you any real world pointers because I have my name, and I
    have what other people call me, but I don't personally use that sort
    of language, so I'm stuck with my official designation.

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  • From John W Kennedy@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Feb 7 23:42:22 2019
    On 2/7/19 12:34 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <z4mdnfd2QNBd-8HBnZ2dnUU7-WvNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/7/19 8:26 AM, Brian P. wrote:

    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed
    myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the
    finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name,
    Eleanor, and the other half of the time I call her Ellie, according to
    the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think
    the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice
    doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it.
    Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it
    just going to look dumb when it's all done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few
    named characters and none with a name at all similar.

    If this is in the narrative voice and she’s the POV character, some
    readers may suspect that you’re subtly hinting at MPD. If, on the other
    hand, the two names are what other characters call her in dialog,
    following some kind of regular pattern, it may not stand out at all. For
    reasons too involved to go into here I've been 'Jay' to my family and
    'John' to the world for 64 years. My wife has actually learned to
    code-switch.

    (Indeed, these things can be complex. My wife is actually named
    'Eleanor', but her two older sisters called her 'Ellie' until
    the two of
    us became engaged. Once she 'had a feller of her own' [see '�arousel'],
    she immediately graduated to 'Eleanor'. 'Nought so queer as folk.')

    Perhaps they figured that children got nicknames but when someone
    started courting, she must be an adult. Cf. the right wing
    trying to diss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because she was called
    "Sandy" as a kid.

    My husband, now known to everybody as "Hal," was actually
    christened "Wilson." So was his father. His family called him
    "Willie" to distinguish him from his father, and his mother went
    on calling him that to her dying day. When everybody he knew in
    the SCA started calling him "Hal" because he'd chosen the SCA
    name "Hal Ravn", the rest of his family switched over. Now, when
    I answer the phone and somebody asks to speak to "Wilson," I say,
    "Hey, Hal, it's somebody who doesn't know you. Probably a sales
    pitch."


    Joe Straczynski says the same thing about people who call him “Michael”.

    --
    John W. Kennedy
    "The blind rulers of Logres
    Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
    -- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to john.w.kennedy@gmail.com on Fri Feb 8 05:34:42 2019
    In article <T8KdnXiNrL8zlcDBnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/7/19 12:34 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <z4mdnfd2QNBd-8HBnZ2dnUU7-WvNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/7/19 8:26 AM, Brian P. wrote:

    My latest story is coming along in fits and starts. I've noticed
    myself doing something that I fear might look terribly amateurish in the >>> finished work. Half of the time I refer to my heroine by her name,
    Eleanor, and the other half of the time I call her Ellie, according to
    the mood of the paragraph. It bothers me to use one name when I think
    the other fits better.

    I can't think of another written work in which the narrative voice
    doesn't settle on one of a character's possible names and stick with it. >>> Does anyone see any possible chance that this tactic will work, or is it >>> just going to look dumb when it's all done?

    I don't think reader confusion is an issue here, as there are very few
    named characters and none with a name at all similar.

    If this is in the narrative voice and she’s the POV character, some
    readers may suspect that you’re subtly hinting at MPD. If, on the other >>> hand, the two names are what other characters call her in dialog,
    following some kind of regular pattern, it may not stand out at all. For >>> reasons too involved to go into here I've been 'Jay' to my family and
    'John' to the world for 64 years. My wife has actually learned to
    code-switch.

    (Indeed, these things can be complex. My wife is actually named
    'Eleanor', but her two older sisters called her 'Ellie' until
    the two of
    us became engaged. Once she 'had a feller of her own' [see '�arousel'], >>> she immediately graduated to 'Eleanor'. 'Nought so queer as folk.')

    Perhaps they figured that children got nicknames but when someone
    started courting, she must be an adult. Cf. the right wing
    trying to diss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because she was called
    "Sandy" as a kid.

    My husband, now known to everybody as "Hal," was actually
    christened "Wilson." So was his father. His family called him
    "Willie" to distinguish him from his father, and his mother went
    on calling him that to her dying day. When everybody he knew in
    the SCA started calling him "Hal" because he'd chosen the SCA
    name "Hal Ravn", the rest of his family switched over. Now, when
    I answer the phone and somebody asks to speak to "Wilson," I say,
    "Hey, Hal, it's somebody who doesn't know you. Probably a sales
    pitch."


    Joe Straczynski says the same thing about people who call him 'Michael'.

    And I bet he also gets the same problem we do, with people who
    can't for the life of them pronounce "Heydt." Only more so.

    (It's pronounced the same as "height." People on telephones tend
    to make it a disyllable.)

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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