Tony Nance wrote:
I just ran across this article about an hour ago - it was published
two days ago:
https://bookriot.com/the-most-influential-sci-fi-books-of-all-time/
The fact that the list does not mention Perry Rhodan, David Weber, or
John Ringo makes the list very suspect in my mind.
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star
Wars' Death Star.
George Lucas supposedly said the American translation of PR was an "inspiration, less strong than Flash Gordon, but it influenced the
design of many starships of Star Wars." Unfortunately the translated
Lucas quote seems absent from the two sources typically cited: [1][2]
The above situation brings to mind the time a friend of mine
mentioned how a set of data was treated as gospel in medical journals
for decades.
There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody
noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias,
text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a >transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread
through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*.
On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star
Wars' Death Star.
I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero.
And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's
all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent
reinvention.)
_The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission
to the 19th century.
I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the
logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around
for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of
magic technology in PR.)
In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two
billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named
Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star
Wars' Death Star.
I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero.
And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's
all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent
reinvention.)
_The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission
to the 19th century.
I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the
logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around
for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of
magic technology in PR.)
The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well
as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were
spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of
Valeron_ was also spherical.
On 10/16/2021 10:00 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,IIRC spheres give the most volume with the least surface area.
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two >>>> billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named
Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star
Wars' Death Star.
I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero.
And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's
all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent
reinvention.)
_The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission
to the 19th century.
I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the
logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around
for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of
magic technology in PR.)
The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well
as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were
spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of
Valeron_ was also spherical.
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 22:14:28 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 10/16/2021 10:00 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,IIRC spheres give the most volume with the least surface area.
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
On 2021-10-16, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Popularity's probably positively correlated to influence. And
_Perry Rhodan_ is the most popular science fiction ever, with over two >>>>> billion novellas sold. Bubonicon's a takeoff on a PR character named >>>>> Gucky/Pucky. PR's matter transmitter's appeared years before Star Trek's >>>>> transporters. PR's spherical space ships debuted decades before Star >>>>> Wars' Death Star.
I think PR's influence on Anglo-American SF is approximately zero.
And a good rule of thumb is that _nothing_ in PR is original. It's
all been seen before. (Which does not preclude independent
reinvention.)
_The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction_ traces matter transmission
to the 19th century.
I vaguely remember von Däniken explaining that a sphere is the
logical shape for a space-ship. That idea must have been around
for a long time. (And is completely irrelevant at the level of
magic technology in PR.)
The warships in various H. Beam Piper's stories (_Space Viking_ as well
as stories set in the Federation era and in the Empire Era) were
spherical. For that matter, IIRC, the title spaceship in _Skylark of
Valeron_ was also spherical.
Cavor's space ship in Wells' 1901 "The First Men in the Moon" is
spherical. The Chapter 3 title is "The Building of the Sphere". I'm
fairly sure that some of Doc Smith's space ships were spherical.
With regard to teleportation, google "Kefitzat Haderech", which I
believe predates Christianity. There's also Wagner's Tarnhelm. If
you need something explicitly science-fictional try "The Man Without a
Body" from 1877. Or Clarke's first published story, "Travel by Wire!"
from 1937. Or for something well known that predates Perry Rhodan,
try Heinlein's 1955 "Tunnel in the Sky". It also appeared in several
movies starting in 1939, including the 1953 Merrie Melodies
"Duck Dodgers"
, and 1958's "The Fly".
In <slrnsmm63l.10nr.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes:
There was a bit of a kerfuffle a number of years back when somebody
noticed that the length of the river Rhine as given in encyclopedias,
text books, etc. was simply wrong, and this was traced back to a >>transposition of two digits (1230 > 1320 km) that steadily spread
through all those carefully fact-checked reputable sources *cough*.
This is related to the phenomenon of citogenesis, as explained by xkcd:
https://xkcd.com/978/
xkcd has something relevant to say about almost anything. :-)
- Steven
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