• How did I do it?

    From A. Tina Hall@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 14 15:59:00 2019
    While rereading the Seasons & Elements trilogy (unfinished), book 1 and
    book 2, I kept wondering, how did I write this or that, to fit so
    nicely?

    Starting book 3, I added a new scene at the beginning, a mere day after
    the end of the 2nd book. Well, at least the start of a scene, around 500
    words, man that was _hard_.

    I'm not sure it's particularly interesting either. While rereading book
    1 and 2 I collected some ideas for what else to add, but right now I'm
    more wondering how I wrote the rest.

    Maybe I think too much. (Haaaaahaaaaaa.)

    I'm not alone, right? :)

    --
    "You think that funny?" Draqor demanded. - "Summer people are easily amused. There isn't much to laugh about in the steppes." Thay chuckled. - Ghira gave Draqor a shove to get him out of the way. "You leave my friend alone or I'll tell my father, and he'll make you forget your own name." -- S&E 2/3


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  • From Capuchin@21:1/5 to A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org on Sun Feb 17 19:13:01 2019
    I'm constantly amazed that parts flow so well and fit so seamlessly
    whenever I reread the parts I do by 'automatic writing' (i.e. a first
    sentence comes to me, I write it down, and a second one just seems to
    follow of its own accord without my having to wrench it from its lair,
    beat it into submission, and then cram it into whatever odd-shaped
    hole I've created which needs plugging).

    I believe every writer overthinks how/why their writing works (or
    doesn't work). It's only a question of how far down the rabbit hole
    you let it drag you.


    On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:59:00 +0100, "A. Tina Hall"
    <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:


    While rereading the Seasons & Elements trilogy (unfinished), book 1 and
    book 2, I kept wondering, how did I write this or that, to fit so
    nicely?

    Starting book 3, I added a new scene at the beginning, a mere day after
    the end of the 2nd book. Well, at least the start of a scene, around 500 >words, man that was _hard_.

    I'm not sure it's particularly interesting either. While rereading book
    1 and 2 I collected some ideas for what else to add, but right now I'm
    more wondering how I wrote the rest.

    Maybe I think too much. (Haaaaahaaaaaa.)

    I'm not alone, right? :)

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  • From A. Tina Hall@21:1/5 to NoReplies@jymes.com on Mon Feb 18 03:56:00 2019
    On 18.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 14 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:

    What's with the top-posting?

    While rereading the Seasons & Elements trilogy (unfinished), book 1
    and book 2, I kept wondering, how did I write this or that, to fit
    so nicely?

    Starting book 3, I added a new scene at the beginning, a mere day
    after the end of the 2nd book. Well, at least the start of a scene,
    around 500 words, man that was _hard_.

    I'm not sure it's particularly interesting either. While rereading
    book 1 and 2 I collected some ideas for what else to add, but right
    now I'm more wondering how I wrote the rest.

    Maybe I think too much. (Haaaaahaaaaaa.)

    I'm not alone, right? :)

    I'm constantly amazed that parts flow so well and fit so seamlessly
    whenever I reread the parts I do by 'automatic writing' (i.e. a first sentence comes to me, I write it down, and a second one just seems to
    follow of its own accord without my having to wrench it from its
    lair, beat it into submission, and then cram it into whatever
    odd-shaped hole I've created which needs plugging).

    Me too, but now I forgot how I did that!

    (Well, what happened came out of nowhere, arranging it into readable
    shape required some aid by me. :) )

    I believe every writer overthinks how/why their writing works (or
    doesn't work). It's only a question of how far down the rabbit hole
    you let it drag you.

    I don't think I used to, I only wondered about how to find the best arrangements of words, not the content. I made up some basic rules, and
    the rest evolved and was found out while writing.

    Rereading, or just while writing, sometimes I noticed stuff that had to
    be fixed, like things coming out of the blue requiring me to add stuff
    so it would not look like cheating or stupid characters not doing
    something they should have.

    (Cheating = doing something to bend things against the established world
    rules towards a certain outcome, or adding things just because they look
    nifty. I think the appropriate word would be contrived.)

    Mind, I did bend things once, and I'm hoping the excuse I found works.
    Because, the desired result is so... Well, it just fits like a solved
    Rubic's Cube, only one of the pieces was cheated in. :)

    So, how do I go about getting that method of writing back; just doing it without thinking too much? Any idea?

    --
    "What are you looking for?" Dahrahn asked."Sense." the Magic Lord
    replied gruffly. "Brains.""In his scales?" - "There certainly isn't any
    in his head. You'reall insane. And to do this deliberately!"
    -- S&E 2/3


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  • From Capuchin@21:1/5 to A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org on Mon Feb 18 21:56:42 2019
    On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 03:56:00 +0100, "A. Tina Hall"
    <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:

    On 18.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 14 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:

    What's with the top-posting?

    Sorry. I didn't have time to reply when I saw your post, and then
    (hangs head in shame) forgot to do it the next time. I was in five-minutes-before-the-computer-shuts-down-for-the-night mode when I remembered, so just blasted forward without thinking.

    I'm constantly amazed that parts flow so well and fit so seamlessly
    whenever I reread the parts I do by 'automatic writing' (i.e. a first
    sentence comes to me, I write it down, and a second one just seems to
    follow of its own accord without my having to wrench it from its
    lair, beat it into submission, and then cram it into whatever
    odd-shaped hole I've created which needs plugging).

    Me too, but now I forgot how I did that!

    I long ago accepted that I know nothing about good writing -- it
    either happens or it doesn't. Enjoy it when it comes along, learn not
    to dread the times it can't be found in a million words.

    Rereading, or just while writing, sometimes I noticed stuff that had to
    be fixed, like things coming out of the blue requiring me to add stuff
    so it would not look like cheating or stupid characters not doing
    something they should have.

    I hate those times. It's like noticing that the fabric doesn't drape
    naturally on one of the Mona Lisa's arms and wanting to take the
    supplies from a paint-by-numbers kit to fix it.

    So, how do I go about getting that method of writing back; just doing it >without thinking too much? Any idea?

    None. Sorry. If I know how to write well on command, I'd do it all the
    time myself, and I'd never, never, never tell anyone the secret!

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  • From A. Tina Hall@21:1/5 to NoReplies@jymes.com on Tue Feb 19 13:10:00 2019
    On 19.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 18 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:
    On 18.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:

    What's with the top-posting?

    Sorry. I didn't have time to reply when I saw your post, and then
    (hangs head in shame) forgot to do it the next time. I was in five-minutes-before-the-computer-shuts-down-for-the-night mode when I remembered, so just blasted forward without thinking.

    Oh, ok.

    You have a weird computer, with it shutting down just like that. :) Why
    does it do that?

    I'm constantly amazed that parts flow so well and fit so seamlessly
    whenever I reread the parts I do by 'automatic writing' (i.e. a
    first sentence comes to me, I write it down, and a second one just
    seems to follow of its own accord without my having to wrench it
    from its lair, beat it into submission, and then cram it into
    whatever odd-shaped hole I've created which needs plugging).

    Me too, but now I forgot how I did that!

    I long ago accepted that I know nothing about good writing -- it
    either happens or it doesn't. Enjoy it when it comes along, learn not
    to dread the times it can't be found in a million words.

    Ah, I won't capitulate!

    Rereading, or just while writing, sometimes I noticed stuff that had
    to be fixed, like things coming out of the blue requiring me to add
    stuff so it would not look like cheating or stupid characters not
    doing something they should have.

    I hate those times. It's like noticing that the fabric doesn't drape naturally on one of the Mona Lisa's arms and wanting to take the
    supplies from a paint-by-numbers kit to fix it.

    Hehe.

    I tend to dread over-doing the fix, mentioning something too often, for example.

    So, how do I go about getting that method of writing back; just
    doing it without thinking too much? Any idea?

    None. Sorry. If I know how to write well on command, I'd do it all
    the time myself, and I'd never, never, never tell anyone the secret!

    Rotfl. Right you are!

    (Don't forget the getting stinking rich bit that'll make that plan
    profitable. :) )

    --
    "You can't do this! You've got rules!"
    "Rules don't apply to those who don't live by them."
    -- One of the warped ones and Jodra
    Seasons & Elements 2/3: Controlling the Magic


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  • From Capuchin@21:1/5 to A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org on Tue Feb 19 22:09:52 2019
    On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:10:00 +0100, "A. Tina Hall"
    <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:

    On 19.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 18 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:
    On 18.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:

    What's with the top-posting?

    Sorry. I didn't have time to reply when I saw your post, and then
    (hangs head in shame) forgot to do it the next time. I was in
    five-minutes-before-the-computer-shuts-down-for-the-night mode when I
    remembered, so just blasted forward without thinking.

    Oh, ok.

    You have a weird computer, with it shutting down just like that. :) Why
    does it do that?

    It's a program that keeps me from sitting at the computer more than
    two hours at a time or more than eight hours a day. It can be
    overridden, but it gets really quite annoying if you try to game it.

    I got a new heart valve a little over ten years ago (manufacturing
    defect, but the original warranty expired (I blame my parent for being
    too cheap to buy the extended warranty when I was born)).

    The usual replacement rate is every eight years. I'm doing what little
    things I can to try to string it out, and sitting at the computer for
    long periods has been identified as a big no-no.

    So, how do I go about getting that method of writing back; just
    doing it without thinking too much? Any idea?

    None. Sorry. If I know how to write well on command, I'd do it all
    the time myself, and I'd never, never, never tell anyone the secret!

    Rotfl. Right you are!

    (Don't forget the getting stinking rich bit that'll make that plan >profitable. :) )

    I want to be rich, of course, but perhaps just as important is the
    feeling that the time I spend writing is actually worth it. I recently
    erased everything done in the last couple of months on one story
    because I'd cobbled together a section to fill in where the words
    didn't flow, and it led things down a dead-end path. Avoidng
    situations like that is worth more than gold (well, at least little
    dabs and bits of gold).

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  • From A. Tina Hall@21:1/5 to NoReplies@jymes.com on Wed Feb 20 22:43:00 2019
    On 20.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 19 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:
    On 19.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:

    You have a weird computer, with it shutting down just like that. :)
    Why does it do that?

    It's a program that keeps me from sitting at the computer more than
    two hours at a time or more than eight hours a day. It can be
    overridden, but it gets really quite annoying if you try to game it.

    Ah, ok, that explains it.

    I got a new heart valve a little over ten years ago (manufacturing
    defect, but the original warranty expired (I blame my parent for
    being too cheap to buy the extended warranty when I was born)).

    That's too serious a subject to assume (without knowing better) that
    you're joking about manufacturing defect and mean you were born with a
    heart that needed some tweaking a while ago, rather than them indeed
    being cheap and not buying the better tweak after you were born...

    The usual replacement rate is every eight years. I'm doing what
    little things I can to try to string it out, and sitting at the
    computer for long periods has been identified as a big no-no.

    Oh, wow. Is that the sitting around without any excercise?

    None. Sorry. If I know how to write well on command, I'd do it all
    the time myself, and I'd never, never, never tell anyone the
    secret!

    Rotfl. Right you are!

    (Don't forget the getting stinking rich bit that'll make that plan
    profitable. :) )

    I want to be rich, of course, but perhaps just as important is the
    feeling that the time I spend writing is actually worth it. I
    recently erased everything done in the last couple of months on one
    story because I'd cobbled together a section to fill in where the
    words didn't flow, and it led things down a dead-end path. Avoidng
    situations like that is worth more than gold (well, at least little
    dabs and bits of gold).

    I understand that.

    I wonder whether it's not better though to write and then delete or at
    least fix it throughoughly, or not write at all, worried it'll be no
    good.

    Good luck with more fluid writing coming soon! :)

    --
    "You're a true spawn of wet loam. They'd try to heal a burning rock
    if they thought it did any good."
    -- Shanos to Tashen, Seasons & Elements 1/3: Controlled by Magic


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  • From Capuchin@21:1/5 to A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org on Thu Feb 21 00:17:11 2019
    On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 22:43:00 +0100, "A. Tina Hall"
    <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:

    On 20.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:

    I got a new heart valve a little over ten years ago (manufacturing
    defect, but the original warranty expired (I blame my parent for
    being too cheap to buy the extended warranty when I was born)).

    That's too serious a subject to assume (without knowing better) that
    you're joking about manufacturing defect and mean you were born with a
    heart that needed some tweaking a while ago, rather than them indeed
    being cheap and not buying the better tweak after you were born...

    It wasn't actually all that serious for me. I took a neighbor to the
    ER (she thought her boyfriend had broken her arm, but it was just a
    bruise). While waiting for her to get processed, I started
    experiencing some really weird symptoms. Figured that as long as I was
    there, I'd better get checked out.

    They did an EKG and an MRI and freaked. Next thing I know, I'm in an
    ambulance headed for a better hospital.

    Doctor there said I had a thoracic aortic aneurysm, and if I didn't
    have surgery within the next two weeks, I probably wouldn't survive.
    The weird thing was that, as he was telling me this, nurses were
    prepping me for surgery.

    I went under, I woke up. No big deal, really. Except for the time I
    sneezed, I wasn't really in any pain.

    For many years, I drank a little excessively, smoked constantly, was
    overweight (not technically obese), didn't eat right, and carried on
    at all hours of the night. Imagine my chagrin when the surgeon said it
    was congenital, that nothing I'd done had made the slightest bit of
    difference. All those years of debauchery were wasted!

    At birth, my heart valve wasn't quite right. Not bad enough to do
    anything about, just something to watch to make sure it wasn't getting
    worse. Apparently the 'not quite right' also carried over to how the
    aorta formed.

    So while they had me open to put in a sock (how they replace an
    aorta), they did the valve job.

    It was actually for the best! They put in a 'bovine cardiac valve.' A
    writer getting an added bit of bull has to be a good thing.

    The warranty thing is one of my little (microscopic?) jokes. They say
    everybody blames their parents for their own shortcomings -- this is
    my version of it.

    The usual replacement rate is every eight years. I'm doing what
    little things I can to try to string it out, and sitting at the
    computer for long periods has been identified as a big no-no.

    Oh, wow. Is that the sitting around without any excercise?

    Exactly. Just getting up and moving around a little supposedly helps.

    I wonder whether it's not better though to write and then delete or at
    least fix it throughoughly, or not write at all, worried it'll be no
    good.

    Not writing at all isn't really an option for me. Characters come
    along and demand I write about them. I can usually send them to the
    waiting room if I'm actually (or even supposedly) working on a
    different story. When I don't have that as an excuse, they constantly
    nag me.

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  • From A. Tina Hall@21:1/5 to NoReplies@jymes.com on Thu Feb 21 11:01:00 2019
    On 21.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2019 "A. Tina Hall" <A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:
    On 20.02.19, Capuchin <NoReplies@jymes.com> wrote:

    They did an EKG and an MRI and freaked. Next thing I know, I'm in an ambulance headed for a better hospital.

    [...]
    For many years, I drank a little excessively, smoked constantly, was overweight (not technically obese), didn't eat right, and carried on
    at all hours of the night. Imagine my chagrin when the surgeon said
    it was congenital, that nothing I'd done had made the slightest bit
    of difference. All those years of debauchery were wasted!

    LOL, yeah. Terrible! :)

    It was actually for the best! They put in a 'bovine cardiac valve.' A
    writer getting an added bit of bull has to be a good thing.

    Hehe.

    The warranty thing is one of my little (microscopic?) jokes. They say everybody blames their parents for their own shortcomings -- this is
    my version of it.

    :)

    I guess I'm too concerned about nice people's health to take it as a
    joke without knowing it really is one. :)

    I wonder whether it's not better though to write and then delete or
    at least fix it throughoughly, or not write at all, worried it'll be
    no good.

    Not writing at all isn't really an option for me. Characters come
    along and demand I write about them. I can usually send them to the
    waiting room if I'm actually (or even supposedly) working on a
    different story. When I don't have that as an excuse, they constantly
    nag me.

    Oh, I have a story who used to do that. My characters don't know I
    exist, but that story kept coming up, like a puppy wanting to play,
    while I was busy with trying another story, and wouldn't accept a no,
    not now.

    I eventually got it to behave by writing past the end.

    --
    "He killed it." Dahrahn said.
    (Chyraen) "How!"
    "He's a Spring Priest, how do you think he did | Seasons & Elements 2/3:
    it, covering it in flowers?" Shanos asked. | Controlling the Magic



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