In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
the rank and file there don't know either.
In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
the rank and file there don't know either.
Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
from another planet."
In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even
became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist
yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college.
She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
the rank and file there don't know either.
In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even >>>> became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist >>>> yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara
interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa,
Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to >>> college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
the rank and file there don't know either.
Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
from another planet."
Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.
On 12/9/2015 8:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even >>>> became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist >>>> yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara >>> interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, >>> Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to >>> college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that >>> the rank and file there don't know either.
Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
from another planet."
Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.
She probably flies to get there.
In article <n4atv5$3id$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 8:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she >>>> even
became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't >>>> exist
yet.
I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara >>> interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, >>> Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and >>> never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went >>> to
college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
extent of her past life we know of.
Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara >>> Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that >>> the rank and file there don't know either.
Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front >> of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
from another planet."
Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.
She probably flies to get there.
But this week she went there powerless. Up 'til then I made the same assumption.
And, seriously, take off the freaking invulnerable costume when you're
on the tanning bed.
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there?
Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
Superman ever home schooled?)
Their best bet to save the show at
this point is to walk back the control of her by a massive government
agency.
On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye, right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
Her hair changes colour with her costume change.
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there?
Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
Superman ever home schooled?), she'd have known hundreds
even before CatCo.Since CatCo, she's been running all kinds
of errands for Cat and must have met hundreds.
On 12/10/2015 4:11 AM, KalElFan wrote:
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there?
Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
Superman ever home schooled?), she'd have known hundreds
even before CatCo.Since CatCo, she's been running all kinds
of errands for Cat and must have met hundreds.
...You don't understand the difference between "know personally" and "met"?
You don't understand the difference between "know
personally" and "met"?
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me...
You don't understand the difference between "know
personally" and "met"?
You don't understand it doesn't matter for purposes
of this issue.
CatCo is a large company and Kara works for the boss.
That alone would make Kara well known within CatCo.
Inevitably Kara meets many employees and others who
cross paths with CatCo, some on a regular basis and
others less so. They might or might not think they
"know her personally" or vice-versa, but they've met
her in person and if they *remember her face* the test
is met.
Supergirl, even on TV, and think she looks like Kara.
They don't, so we know the glasses mostly work.
Overtly, Cat seems not to know or care much about
Kara or any of her employees. She didn't know Winn
worked for her. She pronounces Kara's name wrong.
Kara chewed her out for the way she treated her. One
could argue Cat doesn't really "know her personally"
at all -- why do you think she does?
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there?
In any case people who knew her in the past before she
even became Supergirl don't count.
The problem, again, is that
Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
looks stupid for not knowing.
On 12/10/2015 7:40 PM, KalElFan wrote:
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me...
You don't understand the difference between "know
personally" and "met"?
You don't understand it doesn't matter for purposes
of this issue.
CatCo is a large company and Kara works for the boss.
That alone would make Kara well known within CatCo.
Inevitably Kara meets many employees and others who
cross paths with CatCo, some on a regular basis and
others less so. They might or might not think they
"know her personally" or vice-versa, but they've met
her in person and if they *remember her face* the test
is met.
Not really. It's easy to fool someone who isn't really paying attention
or only looks briefly before going back to what they doing. Externals
like hair and glasses become more noticeable than the precise shape of
the nose and cheekbones. It's much harder to fool someone who actually
pays attention to you.
They have at least the opportunity to see
Supergirl, even on TV, and think she looks like Kara.
They don't, so we know the glasses mostly work.
Overtly, Cat seems not to know or care much about
Kara or any of her employees. She didn't know Winn
worked for her. She pronounces Kara's name wrong.
Kara chewed her out for the way she treated her. One
could argue Cat doesn't really "know her personally"
at all -- why do you think she does?
Because they have actually exchanged personal information. They know
details about each others families and emotions. They have had actual conversations.
And if you're right, if Cat does know, then that means there's not a
single person who knows Kara _on the series_ and doesn't know she's Supergirl*. It makes the concept of "secret identity" rather laughable.
*Excluding Astra, who knows Supergirl but has never encountered Kara as
Kara Danvers.
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
For your reference, records indicate that
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
By spending a little extra money to hire writers clever enough to
figure out stories with an acceptable suspension of disbelief level.
It’s definitely been done in the past, as other’s have pointed out. Modern society also provides many new threats (hackers, biological
agents, etc.) that could smartly be used to present a challenge to
someone like Supergirl.
How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a pillow over his face.
Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the
last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a yellow-sun rehab machine.
Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics,
movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the >> last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a
yellow-sun rehab machine.
I gave up after the episode where she got stiches after fighting the Iron Man knockoff.
He's a Metallo knockoff
Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
not even sure it actually happened anymore.
I just checked. It didn't.
I may even be mixing it up
with some other show like iZombie, that’s how underpowered Supergirl is being depicted.
Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy >> without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual
encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,
Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.
For your reference, records indicate that
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the
last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a
yellow-sun rehab machine.
I gave up after the episode where she got stiches after fighting the Iron
Man knockoff.
not even sure it actually happened anymore.
with some other show like iZombie, that’s how underpowered Supergirl is being depicted.
Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy
without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual
encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and Supes to hook up, either.
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,
Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.
Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a pillow over his face.
For your reference, records indicate that
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
By spending a little extra money
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >> >> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in
first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
The show has been very sloppy about the details.
On 11/28/2015 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>> movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>> dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
Please look at this picture.
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/Rsk9_JzGYe1rGeYgrCiEtg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g
9NzY5O3E9OTU7dz0xMDAw/http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/Marc
h/Comics/dc/superman/ac7p31000.jpg
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a >pillow over his face.
On 11/28/2015 11:26 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
By spending a little extra money
Right there is where anyone in power in Hollywood stopped reading. :)
That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.
A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him
I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
might expect.
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0500, Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in >first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
The show has been very sloppy about the details.
I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
might expect. So long as they remain internally consistent with her capabilities or present a reason for a variation (like Barry Allen
getting faster as he learns to use his powers.) I don't see a reason
to complain.
The fact that she might drown after being knocked out of the sky fits
in with this idea that she's not all powerful.
For your reference, records indicate that
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.
Yeah. Same applies to the “yellow sun powersâ€: just be consistent and don’t show him flying around the galaxy one week but collapsing during
an eclipse the next week (or whatever).
A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him
But, at the same time, Super people aren’t omniscient. It is quite acceptable to have them stop a bank robber they can see rather than
the terrorist attack they couldn’t know about. That should actually be seen as a rich dramatic vein to mine. That’s another reason I was put
off by the massive government agency’s involvement with Supergirl; it
is going to be *very* hard to believably make her a local hero.
I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
for a TV show.
The fact that she might drown after being knocked out of the sky fits
in with this idea that she's not all powerful.
For your reference, records indicate that
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
for a TV show.
And yet they did jump right in to the use of super villains. There was
only that *very* small window where they allowed her to screw up a
couple local disasters. They chose to go big, and screwed their own
show in the process.
In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
"Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,
Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.
Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?
Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of
em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
THAT in.
Plus a full year at the DEO before she was allowed to go into
the field. They made it sound like she's been working for Henshaw for a decade (and she easily looks old enough for that to work) but in reality
it can't be more than a year or two.
For your reference, records indicate that
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each
show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.
Yeah. Same applies to the “yellow sun powersâ€: just be consistent and don’t show him flying around the galaxy one week but collapsing during
an eclipse the next week (or whatever).
A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him
But, at the same time, Super people aren’t omniscient. It is quite acceptable to have them stop a bank robber they can see rather than
the terrorist attack they couldn’t know about. That should actually be seen as a rich dramatic vein to mine.
My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/28/2015 at 06:05 PM:
In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
"Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,
Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.
Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?
Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
THAT in.
Heh. Meanwhile, Kara's a year younger and fetching coffee. Quite the underachiever!
Plus a full year at the DEO before she was allowed to go into
the field. They made it sound like she's been working for Henshaw for a decade (and she easily looks old enough for that to work) but in reality
it can't be more than a year or two.
Yeah, there are all kinds of reasons why it would make a lot of sense to
have a larger age gap between her and Kara.
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
not even sure it actually happened anymore.
I just checked. It didn't.
There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit
that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the
atomic axe.
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and
Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
On 11/29/2015 5:21 PM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero >> interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a punyThat's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
because of their particular dynamic. That doesn¹t fit when the female is >> the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that >> Supergirl hasn¹t got much of a secret identity in this show.
more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered
girlfriend than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck
it could even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her
interest in him.
If I recall the dialogue correctly, I liked how Lana said that she
(Lana) would have no chance with Jimmy if she was competing with
Supergirl. That he would drop everything if Superman called, a super-man-crush. And now with Superman in a skirt, how can he resist? :D
In article <l0rl5bpiko7cr57id1na6d9hoe6a8uls8n@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
might expect.
Which is why she should be Spider-Girl if they're going to de-power her
to such an extent.
On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero >> interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a punyThat's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is
the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that >> Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.
more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered
girlfriend than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck
it could even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her
interest in him.
For your reference, records indicate that
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I¹m
not even sure it actually happened anymore.
I just checked. It didn't.
There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the
atomic axe.
I don¹t think I saw that episode. Perhaps it was after her Super-aunt
(or whatever; they jammed the first 3 episodes with so many characters
that I couldn¹t bother to care much about any one of them) got cut with
the kryptonite knife. Or I might have jumbled it up with some other
show in the same week where a tough woman got stitches in a way that
didn¹t fit for her character. Whatever the case, I decided to pass on Supergirl after episode 3.
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn¹t have been a big deal for Lois and
Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
That¹s the problem: we *don¹t* know because it never seems to be part of
the mainstream discussion. The only time I recall Super-sex being depicted was in the Christoper Reeve incarnation, and it was only OK then because
his super powers had been taken away. I highly doubt any comic arcs about them being married actually talked about doing the deed; they probably even did that sad depiction of marriage as having two beds in the bedroom!
In article <281120151036160904%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics,
movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
The show has been very sloppy about the details.
You keep saying "talent" - serious question: What "talent" is there
behind this that impresses you?
In article <n3fe5i$g7v$1@dont-email.me>, Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
For your reference, records indicate that
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I¹m
not even sure it actually happened anymore.
I just checked. It didn't.
There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the atomic axe.
I don¹t think I saw that episode. Perhaps it was after her Super-aunt
(or whatever; they jammed the first 3 episodes with so many characters
that I couldn¹t bother to care much about any one of them) got cut with
the kryptonite knife. Or I might have jumbled it up with some other
show in the same week where a tough woman got stitches in a way that
didn¹t fit for her character. Whatever the case, I decided to pass on Supergirl after episode 3.
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn¹t have been a big deal for Lois and
Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
That¹s the problem: we *don¹t* know because it never seems to be part of the mainstream discussion. The only time I recall Super-sex being depicted was in the Christoper Reeve incarnation, and it was only OK then because his super powers had been taken away. I highly doubt any comic arcs about them being married actually talked about doing the deed; they probably even did that sad depiction of marriage as having two beds in the bedroom!
We did have Clark and Lois in SMALLVILLE. They had an active sex life,
and Clark even delivered a line about how things wouldn't get too rough
for Lois because he'd achieved control over his involuntary reactions
or somesuch.
We did have Clark and Lois in SMALLVILLE. They had an active sex life,
and Clark even delivered a line about how things wouldn't get too rough
for Lois because he'd achieved control over his involuntary reactions
or somesuch.
1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...
2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...
4) The swooning she does for Jimmy Olsen...
3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
she is....
When she had the interview with
Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
as she floated above her. My first thought was
that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
was Kara. We'll see...
"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3a6dp$dps$1@dont-email.me...
[reasons that Doc bailed on Supergirl after 3 eps]
1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...
2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...
I've abbreviated that and grouped your 1 & 2 because they
overlap. If her super powers were truly godlike for example,
she would never be inept.
post was that your list and mine were almost identical.
Here's my brief list I posted before yours, but I've added
numbering:
"... 1) Kara's had angst at home, 2) at CatCo, 3) performing
as Supergirl, 4) problems with her love life..."
So my #3 "performing as Supergirl" angst gets to your #1
"inept" and #2 "not all that great" superpowers. I'll return
to a bit more detail but for now note my #4 on her love life
versus your #4 that I'll skip to:
4) The swooning she does for Jimmy Olsen...
Essentially identical and it was even the 4th point we each
listed. Now back to your #3:
3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
she is....
My #1 "Kara's had angst at home" may seem different but
I think the practical "angst" effect is the same. If all the
people who knew were off screen and never seen, few
if any watching would ever think about it. That's not the
case, and so it's the angst-filled interactions between a
few in the know that can drag down the show.
For example they have the nightmare Thanksgiving, where
Kara's Step Mom and Step Sister have it out, while Toyman
Jr.'s stuck in the middle. Kara won't take a phone call except...
oops it's from Jimmy so she'll take it because... well maybe
she experiences undiagnosed red kryptonite syndrome and
can't help herself. It really did make her look pathetic.
To me, it's not really that they all five know each other that's
the main problem. (I'm including Jimmy on the Thanksgiving
phone call). It's what the WRITERS have USED that dynamic
for so far. They've used it for annoying / silly purposes, the
kind that have contributed to why 45% of the viewers left
the show. If it were JUST a Thanksgiving disaster it wouldn't
drive many away, but it's in the context of so many other
angstfests that it drags more out the door over 5 eps e.g.:
She pushes the ship,
spill. She becomes a media joke. Maxwell Lord gets on
her case. In a later incident, Superman has to save her
from Reactron. Yes, we later *hear* a few characters tout
that she beat Reactron and Superman never did, but saying
it never sticks for viewers when they've experienced a
different visual. She may have been dead if Superman
hadn't saved her the first time. They can't undo that.
In another example, even her sister Alex reminds Supergirl
that Livewire can kill her, and the not-so subtle message
is again that this is a fragile *not-so-Supergirl*.
Nearly drowning from the bomb (a separate incident in
a later ep ) can be compared to the other three, but the
reference whooshed past without our seeing her nearly
drown, or for that matter conclusively hurt. We know as
she's powering up, but her seeing the red eyes dominates.
Fact is, she defeated all of Lord's bomb tests each of the
three attempts, and she saved the city. So I'd agrue that
there's hope here that they're getting beyond the Inept
Supergirl. That phase along with the other angst is what
tanked the 45% though. It's very difficult to get those back.
It is almost NEVER ONE THING that drives viewers away.
If it is, it's probably irrelevant in the sense that viewer is
someone who'd soon have left anyway. The CUMULATIVE
effect (in this case four different angst-filled categories)
is what does it, and then maybe one trigger on top of all
that is what sends the viewer away.
The lesson is that angst-filled, annoying writing can't
be pumped out week after week after week without it
seriously damaging the show. It's just a Supergirl show.
People didn't sign up for a pile of angst and annoyance.
The 55% still watching may keep holding their noses,
some indefinitely perhaps. But there's probably still
some potential downside left. Smallville lost 75% of
its viewers, but it took years to get that low and its
second season was actually its highest-rated. So far,
Supergirl has been straight down. The need eps in the
pipe that will stop the bleeding and give us better. I
want to be optimistic but something's gotta give.
For your reference, records indicate that
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
... If her super powers were truly godlike for example, she would
never be inept.
That’s not entirely true. Consider that throw away scene where
they had her rip apart the oil tanker...
"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3a6dp$dps$1@dont-email.me...
[reasons that Doc bailed on Supergirl after 3 eps]
1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...
2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...
I've abbreviated that and grouped your 1 & 2 because they
overlap. If her super powers were truly godlike for example,
she would never be inept.
3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
she is....
My #1 "Kara's had angst at home" may seem different but
I think the practical "angst" effect is the same. If all the
people who knew were off screen and never seen, few
if any watching would ever think about it.
To me, it's not really that they all five know each other that's
the main problem. (I'm including Jimmy on the Thanksgiving
phone call). It's what the WRITERS have USED that dynamic
for so far.
On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have
zero
interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is >> the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given
that
Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.
That's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered girlfriend
than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck it could
even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her interest in him.
On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
When she had the interview with
Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
as she floated above her. My first thought was
that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
was Kara. We'll see...
The underlying assumption is that her glasses are a 100% effective
disguise, just like Clark Kent's.
I still flash on the old radio show, where Superman rescues Lois from something and says "Good thing it's dark in here."
"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3i5v4$bb$1@dont-email.me...
For your reference, records indicate that
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
... If her super powers were truly godlike for example, she would
never be inept.
That’s not entirely true. Consider that throw away scene where
they had her rip apart the oil tanker...
Yes I mentioned that, with an error as Ani pointed out (I said she
pushed; she pulled and that ripped the ship). To me, definitionally,
godlike powers can't be that if someone is inept and has no idea
how to use them. That's more like fodder for a comedy than what
people expect to be a superhero show.
As David posted here (and Super-Menace on rec.arts.sf.superman),
CBS has given Supergirl a 20-ep season. I think the issue is going
to be whether they renew it beyond that just before the upfronts
in May, or throw in the towel. They'll know by then whether the
Tribune negotiations with The CW have worked out. If CBS drops
Supergirl and Tribune is in, I can't imagine The CW not picking up
Supergirl.
Here's the live same day damage so far, the -45% I mentioned:
Ep 1 --- 12.96 Million Viewers
Ep 2 --- 8.87 Million Viewers
Ep 3 --- 8.07 Million Viewers
Ep 4 --- 7.77 Million Viewers
Ep 5 --- 7.19 Million Viewers -- (*** 45% below the Pilot ***)
The stunts with Benoist's husband, and Superboy at 13, and the
rumored (I think likely) Supergirl crossover with the Flash / Arrow
in May, could all help.
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with you that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and >>> Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
In article <atropos-6220EF.12132128112015@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, DimensionalYou must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>>> movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>>
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>>> dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
The dreadful Byrne Post-Crisis reboot had him wearing a little paint
fume protection mask to fly to other planets.
In article <n3fr47$3vb$9@dont-email.me>,
"Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/28/2015 at 06:05 PM:
In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
"Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,
Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.
Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?
Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of >>> em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
THAT in.
Heh. Meanwhile, Kara's a year younger and fetching coffee. Quite the
underachiever!
That's ... a good point. Unless Kara's been working for Grant for a
looooong time ... what the hell did she do the last several years? (I'm
not even sure she went to college)
Op 28-11-2015 om 22:22 schreef anim8rfsk:
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
<snip>
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois >>>> and
Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
Uhm, Kryptonite or Kryptonian? Their sex should be safe. Also for him. ;-)
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
Op 28-11-2015 om 22:22 schreef anim8rfsk:
In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
<snip>
I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
contractions. Otherwise, it shouldnâ¤t have been a big deal for Lois >>>> and
Supes to hook up, either.
It wasn't. They were married for years.
We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.
Uhm, Kryptonite or Kryptonian? Their sex should be safe. Also for him. ;-)
But Kryptonite would ensure that the sperm stops dead.
Maybe there's a special color of Kryptonite for birth control.
BUt maybe it is just a bit of baby blanket that becomes strong under the yellow sun.
Or maybe her mom packed some Kryptonian birth control devices "for future use".
Michael
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Op 28-11-2015 om 22:14 schreef anim8rfsk:
In article <atropos-6220EF.12132128112015@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional >>>>>> Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>>> movies
and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or >>>>>>> destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?
You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a >>>>>> number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>>
Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>>> dramatic that way!"
They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.
stupidity for _DECADES_.
Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
harmed by the explosion itself.
At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.
And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.
The dreadful Byrne Post-Crisis reboot had him wearing a little paint
fume protection mask to fly to other planets.
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
called him Lex Luthor... :-/
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message >news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
then yawn. It it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.
... her continuing to attack Red Tornado makes sense. Of
course the stupidity continues when the General blames
her for unleashing an invisible killing machine...
In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
then yawn.
[If] it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
then yawn.
a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.
"shawn" wrote in message
news:ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com...
... her continuing to attack Red Tornado makes sense. Of
course the stupidity continues when the General blames
her for unleashing an invisible killing machine...
The naysayers can again point to Alex having literally saved
Supergirl's life by killing Red Tornado's creator just in time.
She then wins against "sentient" Red Tornado, vaporizing it
with her anger-fueled heat vision. Earlier in the opening,
she used the excessive force as some took video, and Lord
makes a big deal out of that. Jimmy must be wondering if
Kara's stable, after seeing that workout.
Maybe Kara had Lazarus Pit treatments back on Krypton
before her parents sent her off. :-) Calling Constantine?
KalElFan wrote:
In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
then yawn.
That was part of it! :-)
[If] it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.
The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
"good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message >news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
makes sense.
blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
that they can't control under all circumstances.
In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message
news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
makes sense.
And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
down!"
Of course the stupidity continues when the General
blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
that they can't control under all circumstances.
Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.
So did Jimmy.
So did Hank.
So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.
How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd
clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
rug?
The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's
just as likely to be following it's last directive.
The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?
Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty >deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they >holding it?
That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!
So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
Nice to mention.
Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's
that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that? And isn't
wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb? And is that >earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?
Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again? Yeah, yeah, they worked it
out, but still, that initial outburst should have been "I'm sorry your
mother is a bitch, but I've quit better jobs than this"
All in all though I liked it. But it's the actors and production crew >overcoming the writing, that's for sure.
Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
right for drive time to Montecito.
In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message
news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
makes sense.
And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
down!"
Of course the stupidity continues when the General
blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
that they can't control under all circumstances.
Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.
So did Jimmy.
So did Hank.
So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.
How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd
clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
rug?
The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's
just as likely to be following it's last directive.
The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?
Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they holding it?
That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!
So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
Nice to mention.
Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's
that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb?And is that earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?
Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again?
But seriously, if they're a year apart in age and Alex has accomplished
all of those things, then, yeah, Kara should have been feeling pretty inadequate before she put on that cape.
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message
news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon, >>>>> perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
Who is not in fact a cyborg.
Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
makes sense.
And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
down!"
Of course the stupidity continues when the General
blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
that they can't control under all circumstances.
Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.
So did Jimmy.
So did Hank.
So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.
There is no message except "This President is fictional"
How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
rug?
The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's just as likely to be following it's last directive.
The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
Well it was unleashing uncontrolled tornados in the middle of a city.
And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?
Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they holding it?
That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ... dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!
So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
Nice to mention.
Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?
Waiting to see if they ever need to cast Lucy and Lois's grandfather.
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
And isn't
wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb?And is that earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?
Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again?
Because she's a doormat.
For your reference, records indicate that
"Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
But seriously, if they're a year apart in age and Alex has accomplished
all of those things, then, yeah, Kara should have been feeling pretty
inadequate before she put on that cape.
Other than the fact, you know, that she did still have all those super powers. That’s another part I just don’t get about the character. The way Superman’s “mild-mannered†alter-ego makes sense is because it is clearly an act. He knows he’s the goddamn Superman, so it’s no problem to pretend he’s a bumbling boob when it suits his needs.
But Supergirl isn’t like that at all. She’s the same, as was said
by someone else, milquetoast loser regardless of which outfit she’s wearing. It’s part of the whole pile-on with everyone knowing her
secret identity. This lack of duality just didn’t work for me.
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
called him Lex Luthor... :-/
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:15:17 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message
news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
...
Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
makes more sense.
Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.
Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?
Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
military cyborg].
Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
makes sense.
And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
down!"
Of course the stupidity continues when the General
blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
that they can't control under all circumstances.
Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.
So did Jimmy.
So did Hank.
So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.
How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd >clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
rug?
That was some magic glass. I've never seen any so fragile that falling
a foot would cause it shatter, let alone falling on to a thick rug.
The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's >just as likely to be following it's last directive.
I agree that it shouldn't be sentient but based on what we saw with
the way it changed it's stance and how it seemed to be looking at
Supergirl I think they were trying to tell us that somehow the
creator's mind ended up in the Red Tornado. Sure it doesn't make sense
and how the hell would Alex make that leap, but I'm pretty sure that's
what they were trying to go for. Which makes Kara a murderer of sorts
since it would be a human consciousness in a robot body. Not that she
wasn't defending herself but she still 'killed' the supposedly
sentient Red Tornado. Unless they are going to say it can repair
itself.
The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?
I thought that was the equivalent of throwing rocks at it to get it's attention. Why she felt the need to do that as opposed to flying up
and punching it.. I dunno.
Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty >deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they >holding it?
That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ... >dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!
LOL. That did look unbelievably strange. I don't know the FX guys were thinking.
So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
Nice to mention.
Yep. Guess they must have Harrison Wells and Cisco on staff helping
them build a proper containment center for all these aliens with
various powers.
Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's >that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that? And isn't
wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb? And is that >earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?
Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again? Yeah, yeah, they worked it
out, but still, that initial outburst should have been "I'm sorry your >mother is a bitch, but I've quit better jobs than this"
They are making Kara out to be the most milk toast of characters.
She's what Clark Kent was when he started out except she apparently
really is like that.
All in all though I liked it. But it's the actors and production crew >overcoming the writing, that's for sure.
Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
right for drive time to Montecito.
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
Maybe her mother packed a little sewing kit, the kind you can get for
travel, so there's a needle of Krypton origin. On earth, that would have
the same strength relative to her under the yellow sun of earth, so she
could pierce her own ears.
Years ago someone told me "take an ice cube, put it behind the ear, and
then put the needle through the other side". I didn't have the nerve to
do it, but after five holes with the ear piercing guns, I did take a
plastic bottle cap, put it under my ear, and stick a needle through the
other side. That one healed faster than the other five, because I put a
gold hoop in the hole, an so the ear wasn't pinched by the stud.
So Supergirl could pierce her own ears if she had the Krypton needle.
Maybe she also has a pierced belly button, though I get the feeling those
ar falling out of fashion.
Michael
So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.
That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!
Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane -
it's that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at
all.
Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
right for drive time to Montecito.
Which makes Kara a murderer of sorts since it would be a human
consciousness in a robot body. Not that she wasn't defending herself
but she still 'killed' the supposedly sentient Red Tornado.
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with
Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
called him Lex Luthor... :-/
Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most significant and lasting contribution.
Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with
Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
called him Lex Luthor... :-/
Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most significant and lasting contribution.
I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as friends.
In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
called him Lex Luthor... :-/
Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most
significant and lasting contribution.
I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as friends.
BTW the idea of Lex Luthor being an evil corporate mogul appears to
have originated not with Byrne but with Marv Wolfman, who co-wrote the
Man of Steel miniseries that relaunched the Superman titles in 1985.
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512021316520.11559@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:Maybe her mother packed a little sewing kit, the kind you can get for
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
travel, so there's a needle of Krypton origin. On earth, that would have
the same strength relative to her under the yellow sun of earth, so she
could pierce her own ears.
Years ago someone told me "take an ice cube, put it behind the ear, and
then put the needle through the other side". I didn't have the nerve to
do it, but after five holes with the ear piercing guns, I did take a
plastic bottle cap, put it under my ear, and stick a needle through the
other side. That one healed faster than the other five, because I put a
gold hoop in the hole, an so the ear wasn't pinched by the stud.
So Supergirl could pierce her own ears if she had the Krypton needle.
Maybe she also has a pierced belly button, though I get the feeling those
ar falling out of fashion.
Michael
The biggest argument against this otherwise plausible theory is that
she'd never felt pain at all in her entire life before the series began.
I can't imagine that self ear piercing (I don't think a human could
help) isn't exquisitely painful.
In article <zKSdnRDvSdsuiv_LnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Bill
Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
On 12/4/15 2:56 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn
<liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they >>>>>> called him Lex Luthor... :-/
Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most >>>>> significant and lasting contribution.
I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And >>>> even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as
friends.
It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.
That was back in 1960. I think I've gotten over it.
I think it was Elliott S! Maggin who established a number of secret identities for Luthor in the '70s. One of them was an industrialist.
Luthor financed his various crime sprees and other projects through
"him."
Op 5-12-2015 om 00:16 schreef Super-Menace:
In article <zKSdnRDvSdsuiv_LnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Bill
Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.
That was back in 1960. I think I've gotten over it.
So, 'Lex' stems from 1960?
I think it was Elliott S! Maggin who established a number of secret identities for Luthor in the '70s. One of them was an industrialist. Luthor financed his various crime sprees and other projects through
"him."
But they never made a big deal out of it I think?
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
Nearly drowning from the bomb (a separate incident in
a later ep ) can be compared to the other three, but the
reference whooshed past without our seeing her nearly
drown, or for that matter conclusively hurt. We know as
she's powering up, but her seeing the red eyes dominates.
Fact is, she defeated all of Lord's bomb tests each of the
The problem is, the bombs we saw go off ... weren't that powerful. One weakened a building, the other blew up a train car. Unless the middle
one was incredibly more powerful, and why would it be, they've
established her as not being very tough.
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
and and ...
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
and and ...
I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the photos, it really did happen.
On 12/4/15 2:56 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:
Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
:-(
Yeah.
And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they >>>> called him Lex Luthor... :-/
Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most >>> significant and lasting contribution.
I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as
friends.
It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.
On 12/7/2015 8:46 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512071957380.21555@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many >> people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the >> photos, it really did happen.
Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent >>>> went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she >>> blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and >>> how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and >>> and and ...
I was blond until I turned four, and then I went dark brown.
Yeah but the way Kara's hair changes colour, it's like it's another superpower.
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
In article <dc4g28F60mrU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
"good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.
It's not really consistent with HH being a field agent a year
after he conscripted Pa by threatening to kidnap his daughter
though.
Oh, and Alex has worked for HH for 2 years.
On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
as she floated above her. My first thought was
that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
was Kara. We'll see...
The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.
Among the things KalElFan wrote:
The rumored crossover with Flash / The CW, same thing, but
these are all stunts.
Correct me if I'm wrong; I haven't watched a live DC show since
"Lois & Clark", but "Flash" was launched from "Green Arrow",
which was launched from "Smallville", wasn't it?
Another question: can I just jump into "Flash"? Either starting
now, or catching the first season?
In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
Her hair changes colour with her costume change.
I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have worked last night.
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512071957380.21555@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many >> people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the
Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:
On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>>>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers
According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
walking past a tree or diving out a window.
Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.
Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she
blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
and and ...
photos, it really did happen.
I was blond until I turned four, and then I went dark brown.
"Bill Steele" wrote in message news:haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
as she floated above her. My first thought was
that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
was Kara. We'll see...
The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.
Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
and there's been constant suspicion over the years.
On 12/8/2015 3:16 PM, KalElFan wrote:
"Bill Steele" wrote in message news:haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
as she floated above her. My first thought was
that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
was Kara. We'll see...
The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.
Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
and there's been constant suspicion over the years.
No she didn't. Tempus told her. Of course in Cat's situation she is
the only person who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl. That's pretty impressive.
"anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-BE86C9.21170930112015@news.easynews.com...
In article <dc4g28F60mrU1@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
"good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.
It's not really consistent with HH being a field agent a year
after he conscripted Pa by threatening to kidnap his daughter
though.
Oh, and Alex has worked for HH for 2 years.
Now that we know HH is dead (I'm still skeptical Pa Danvers is),
I guess we can assume MM took over about two years ago then.
This Jemm character is apparently from Saturn and a sometimes
ally of MM, based on Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemm
Maybe this explains how Supergirl can survive the Kryptonians.
If she has two super-powered allies in MM and Jemm when she
needs it (and conceivably Superman off-screen, so four of them),
it makes it a more plausible fight.
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
Her hair changes colour with her costume change.
I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have worked last night.
I seem to recall a toy that changed hair color when you ran the brush
through it. But not being a girl at the time, I wasn't paying attention,
so I'm not sure if it was a pony or a doll
Michael
In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512081723310.23343@darkstar.example.org>,
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:
In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,I seem to recall a toy that changed hair color when you ran the brush
David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:
On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.
Clip-ons earrings?
And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
superficial absorption to make it stick.
Her hair changes colour with her costume change.
I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have >> > worked last night.
through it. But not being a girl at the time, I wasn't paying attention,
so I'm not sure if it was a pony or a doll
Michael
I remember this one with the Exorcist spinning head
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/377739487466605801/
On 12/8/2015 3:16 PM, KalElFan wrote:
Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
No she didn't...
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
looks stupid for not knowing. Next ep she apparently
asks Kara "What planet are you from?" so I think it's
increasingly likely she's just been playing along, even
toying with Kara.
On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:
... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
Supergirl.
There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
don't know she's Supergirl.
Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist
yet.
The problem, again, is that
Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
looks stupid for not knowing. Next ep she apparently
asks Kara "What planet are you from?" so I think it's
increasingly likely she's just been playing along, even
toying with Kara.
Which would make it the Saturday Night Live skit where everyone knows
Clark is Superman but they all pretend not to in order to screw with him.
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