• Supergirl after 5 eps. Henshaw = MM? And Does Cat know Kara = SG?

    From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Wed Dec 9 22:13:24 2015
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    In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
    Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
    the rank and file there don't know either.


    Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
    of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
    sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
    from another planet."

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Wed Dec 9 20:38:35 2015
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    In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
    the rank and file there don't know either.


    Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
    of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
    sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
    from another planet."

    Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.
    Nor do I know why she was in civvies when beating up that car. Poor defenseless car.

    Anyway, more points against Kal-El Fan's theory. It's seriously going
    to be easier to count the people who know Kara and DON'T know she's
    Supergirl.

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  • From Nawskrad@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 9 23:01:12 2015
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    On 09/12/2015 6:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even
    became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist
    yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college.

    She must have -- she has a white-collar job in America. These days
    that's impossible without either a degree or some serious hoity-toity-connections, and a crapshoot at best *with* a degree but no hoity-toity connections. And she doesn't have hoity-toity connections
    that we've seen. Until Cat Grant, anyway.

    She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
    Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
    the rank and file there don't know either.

    Noted.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 9 21:12:42 2015
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    On 12/9/2015 8:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even >>>> became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist >>>> yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara
    interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa,
    Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to >>> college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
    Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
    the rank and file there don't know either.


    Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
    of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
    sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
    from another planet."

    Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.

    She probably flies to get there.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Wed Dec 9 22:01:21 2015
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    In article <n4atv5$3id$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 8:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even >>>> became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist >>>> yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara >>> interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, >>> Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to >>> college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
    Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that >>> the rank and file there don't know either.


    Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front
    of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
    sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
    from another planet."

    Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.

    She probably flies to get there.

    But this week she went there powerless. Up 'til then I made the same assumption.

    And, seriously, take off the freaking invulnerable costume when you're
    on the tanning bed.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Thu Dec 10 01:31:22 2015
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    In article <anim8rfsk-7A672E.22012109122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4atv5$3id$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 8:38 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <091220152213247990%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <anim8rfsk-62FE80.16383909122015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she >>>> even
    became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't >>>> exist
    yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara >>> interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa, >>> Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and >>> never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went >>> to
    college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara >>> Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that >>> the rank and file there don't know either.


    Hank "J.J." Henshaw has addressed Supergirl as "Miss Danvers" in front >> of his subordinates, and once greeted Alex and Kara rather
    sarcastically (and in a loud voice) as "Agent Danvers and her sister
    from another planet."

    Damn. Busted. Then I don't know why she's always in uniform there.

    She probably flies to get there.

    But this week she went there powerless. Up 'til then I made the same assumption.

    And, seriously, take off the freaking invulnerable costume when you're
    on the tanning bed.

    Yes! I wholeheartedly agree. Take it off. I'm sure she'll power up a lot quicker with no clothes on.

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  • From Nawskrad@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Thu Dec 10 09:41:45 2015
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    On 10/12/2015 6:11 AM, KalElFan wrote:
    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there?

    Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
    Superman ever home schooled?)

    By his father's crystal-stored recordings in the Fortress of Solitude,
    natch.

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  • From Bill Steele@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Thu Dec 10 15:41:13 2015
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    On 11/28/15 2:26 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    Their best bet to save the show at
    this point is to walk back the control of her by a massive government
    agency.

    It has to be a bummer when 17 people know your secret identity.

    This is all TV writers know. Napoleon Solo worked for Mr. Waverly. The Librarians get their leads from the Library. Every spy, detective or
    whatever works from a home base that sends then out on a new assignment
    every week.

    Goes back to the 40s, when the movie would start with Gene Autry sitting
    in the governor's office being told about the big problems in
    Sagebrushville...

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Tue Dec 8 15:01:26 2015
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    In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye, right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.


    Her hair changes colour with her costume change.

    I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
    using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have
    worked last night.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Thu Dec 10 15:05:53 2015
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    On 12/10/2015 4:11 AM, KalElFan wrote:
    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there?

    Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
    Superman ever home schooled?), she'd have known hundreds
    even before CatCo.Since CatCo, she's been running all kinds
    of errands for Cat and must have met hundreds.

    ...You don't understand the difference between "know personally" and "met"?

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Thu Dec 10 15:33:09 2015
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    In article <n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/10/2015 4:11 AM, KalElFan wrote:
    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...
    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there?

    Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
    Superman ever home schooled?), she'd have known hundreds
    even before CatCo.Since CatCo, she's been running all kinds
    of errands for Cat and must have met hundreds.

    ...You don't understand the difference between "know personally" and "met"?

    Yeah, that's an interesting distinction to fail to make and yet call me
    Looney Tunes over the home schooling.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Thu Dec 10 21:40:04 2015
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    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me...

    You don't understand the difference between "know
    personally" and "met"?

    You don't understand it doesn't matter for purposes
    of this issue.

    CatCo is a large company and Kara works for the boss.
    That alone would make Kara well known within CatCo.

    Inevitably Kara meets many employees and others who
    cross paths with CatCo, some on a regular basis and
    others less so. They might or might not think they
    "know her personally" or vice-versa, but they've met
    her in person and if they *remember her face* the test
    is met. They have at least the opportunity to see
    Supergirl, even on TV, and think she looks like Kara.
    They don't, so we know the glasses mostly work.

    Overtly, Cat seems not to know or care much about
    Kara or any of her employees. She didn't know Winn
    worked for her. She pronounces Kara's name wrong.
    Kara chewed her out for the way she treated her. One
    could argue Cat doesn't really "know her personally"
    at all -- why do you think she does? To her, maybe
    Kara is just a grunt. I think it'll turn out she does know
    Kara, even her Supergirl secret, but we haven't had that
    reveal yet.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Thu Dec 10 20:42:11 2015
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    On 12/10/2015 7:40 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me...

    You don't understand the difference between "know
    personally" and "met"?

    You don't understand it doesn't matter for purposes
    of this issue.

    CatCo is a large company and Kara works for the boss.
    That alone would make Kara well known within CatCo.

    Inevitably Kara meets many employees and others who
    cross paths with CatCo, some on a regular basis and
    others less so. They might or might not think they
    "know her personally" or vice-versa, but they've met
    her in person and if they *remember her face* the test
    is met.

    Not really. It's easy to fool someone who isn't really paying attention
    or only looks briefly before going back to what they doing. Externals
    like hair and glasses become more noticeable than the precise shape of
    the nose and cheekbones. It's much harder to fool someone who actually
    pays attention to you.


    They have at least the opportunity to see
    Supergirl, even on TV, and think she looks like Kara.
    They don't, so we know the glasses mostly work.

    Overtly, Cat seems not to know or care much about
    Kara or any of her employees. She didn't know Winn
    worked for her. She pronounces Kara's name wrong.
    Kara chewed her out for the way she treated her. One
    could argue Cat doesn't really "know her personally"
    at all -- why do you think she does?

    Because they have actually exchanged personal information. They know
    details about each others families and emotions. They have had actual conversations.

    And if you're right, if Cat does know, then that means there's not a
    single person who knows Kara _on the series_ and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl*. It makes the concept of "secret identity" rather laughable.

    *Excluding Astra, who knows Supergirl but has never encountered Kara as
    Kara Danvers.

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Thu Dec 10 06:11:17 2015
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    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there?

    Yes, there must. The home schooling Looney Tunes aside (was
    Superman ever home schooled?), she'd have known hundreds
    even before CatCo. Since CatCo, she's been running all kinds
    of errands for Cat and must have met hundreds. Compare to
    your "only person who personally knows Kara" -- more Looney
    Tunes.

    In any case people who knew her in the past before she
    even became Supergirl don't count.

    Of course they do. The solution to all of them not looking
    at Supergirl on TV and thinking "gee, she looks just like
    Kara" is, e.g., the standard "glasses work" as pointed out
    upthread, which is fine to a point. But again...

    The problem, again, is that
    Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
    looks stupid for not knowing.

    Smarter Cat is the better way to write it, and we'll probably
    see soon enough if that's the way they did it.

    To change the Looney Tunes channel, I thought the John
    Jones / J'onn J'onzz / Martian Manhunter reveal was iconic.
    He's a far better character than evil Hank Henshaw could
    ever have been. The show will be strengthened, and it
    will need it if Kara-angst continues to rear its annoying
    head.

    As for Ani's reference to Evil Hank possibly coming back
    and being a good idea, it's at best an occasional ep or
    two. I'd much rather have Pa Danvers back, because he's
    far better positioned to advance the mythology. I think
    the writers need that much more.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Thu Dec 10 21:03:11 2015
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    In article <n4dghu$aam$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/10/2015 7:40 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n4csrb$a3h$1@dont-email.me...

    You don't understand the difference between "know
    personally" and "met"?

    You don't understand it doesn't matter for purposes
    of this issue.

    CatCo is a large company and Kara works for the boss.
    That alone would make Kara well known within CatCo.

    Inevitably Kara meets many employees and others who
    cross paths with CatCo, some on a regular basis and
    others less so. They might or might not think they
    "know her personally" or vice-versa, but they've met
    her in person and if they *remember her face* the test
    is met.

    Not really. It's easy to fool someone who isn't really paying attention
    or only looks briefly before going back to what they doing. Externals
    like hair and glasses become more noticeable than the precise shape of
    the nose and cheekbones. It's much harder to fool someone who actually
    pays attention to you.


    They have at least the opportunity to see
    Supergirl, even on TV, and think she looks like Kara.
    They don't, so we know the glasses mostly work.

    Overtly, Cat seems not to know or care much about
    Kara or any of her employees. She didn't know Winn
    worked for her. She pronounces Kara's name wrong.
    Kara chewed her out for the way she treated her. One
    could argue Cat doesn't really "know her personally"
    at all -- why do you think she does?

    Because they have actually exchanged personal information. They know
    details about each others families and emotions. They have had actual conversations.

    And if you're right, if Cat does know, then that means there's not a
    single person who knows Kara _on the series_ and doesn't know she's Supergirl*. It makes the concept of "secret identity" rather laughable.

    *Excluding Astra, who knows Supergirl but has never encountered Kara as
    Kara Danvers.

    But Kryptonians should be able to watch her from miles away, and she's
    not taking any safeguards.

    --
    New sig pending

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Sat Nov 28 11:54:17 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Sat Nov 28 12:13:22 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a
    pillow over his face.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Sat Nov 28 13:10:56 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/28/2015 12:26 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?

    By spending a little extra money to hire writers clever enough to
    figure out stories with an acceptable suspension of disbelief level.
    It’s definitely been done in the past, as other’s have pointed out. Modern society also provides many new threats (hackers, biological
    agents, etc.) that could smartly be used to present a challenge to
    someone like Supergirl.


    In that she'd be totally incompetent to deal with them and should just
    stay home and let her sister handle it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Nov 28 19:26:19 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?

    By spending a little extra money to hire writers clever enough to
    figure out stories with an acceptable suspension of disbelief level.
    It’s definitely been done in the past, as other’s have pointed out.
    Modern society also provides many new threats (hackers, biological
    agents, etc.) that could smartly be used to present a challenge to
    someone like Supergirl.

    And there’s nothing wrong with “hobbling” the hero, so long as it is
    done in a reasonable and *consistent* way. Another big problem with
    the show is that the just piled on everything, including Kryptonite,
    all at once rather than giving the different elements of the story
    time to naturally evolve.

    If they had been smart, after the pilot they should have gone small
    instead of going big. Now they can’t really heighten the story
    without going to insane lengths. Their best bet to save the show at
    this point is to walk back the control of her by a massive government
    agency. Possibly show it as being actually a harmful foe rather than
    helpful ally.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 28 13:26:30 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/28/2015 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
    degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    Except when he can't.


    It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a pillow over his face.


    Well you'd have to hold it there for a very long time. The last time I
    saw him dealing with outer space it would take as long to suffocate him
    as it would to suffocate a dolphin.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat Nov 28 19:07:18 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the
    last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a yellow-sun rehab machine.

    I gave up after the episode where she got stiches after fighting the Iron
    Man knockoff. Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
    not even sure it actually happened anymore. I may even be mixing it up
    with some other show like iZombie, that’s how underpowered Supergirl is
    being depicted.

    Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
    stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
    when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
    contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and Supes to hook up, either. Still, seems like a bit of a tightrope walk
    between danger and satisfaction to “modulate” yourself during sex. I don’t know what the treatment of sex was in any of the past comics,
    other than it generally being a taboo subject.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat Nov 28 14:14:16 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <atropos-6220EF.12132128112015@news.giganews.com>,
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics,
    movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    The dreadful Byrne Post-Crisis reboot had him wearing a little paint
    fume protection mask to fly to other planets.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Sat Nov 28 14:22:28 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the >> last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a
    yellow-sun rehab machine.

    I gave up after the episode where she got stiches after fighting the Iron Man knockoff.

    He's a Metallo knockoff

    You and I know that, but, watching it, I sure thought the 'talent' doing
    this show was ripping Iron Man.

    Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
    not even sure it actually happened anymore.

    I just checked. It didn't.

    There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit
    that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the
    atomic axe.

    I may even be mixing it up
    with some other show like iZombie, that’s how underpowered Supergirl is being depicted.

    Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
    stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy >> without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
    when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual
    encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jim G.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 28 16:30:47 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
    In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

    Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,

    Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.

    Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?

    --
    Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
    "I'm calling it. Time of death 9:47 p.m. Drug overdose. This job isn't
    so hard." -- Blaine DeBeers, iZOMBIE

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Sat Nov 28 14:10:22 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Other than Kryptonite, she should be invincible. No way that bomb in the
    last episode should have even knocked her out, let alone put her into a
    yellow-sun rehab machine.

    I gave up after the episode where she got stiches after fighting the Iron
    Man knockoff.

    He's a Metallo knockoff

    Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
    not even sure it actually happened anymore.

    I just checked. It didn't.

    I may even be mixing it up
    with some other show like iZombie, that’s how underpowered Supergirl is being depicted.

    Yes, the whole Melrose Place aspect of the show is getting hard to
    stomach, but I don't see why she wouldn't be able to have sex with a guy
    without killing him. Obviously Kryptonians can modulate their powers
    when interacting with people, otherwise every handshake or other casual
    encounter would result in maimed bodies and corpses wherever they go.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
    contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Jim G. on Sat Nov 28 17:05:52 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
    In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

    Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,

    Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.

    Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?

    Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of
    em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
    And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
    recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
    THAT in. Plus a full year at the DEO before she was allowed to go into
    the field. They made it sound like she's been working for Henshaw for a
    decade (and she easily looks old enough for that to work) but in reality
    it can't be more than a year or two.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 28 13:13:37 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/28/2015 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
    degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    Please look at this picture.

    https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/Rsk9_JzGYe1rGeYgrCiEtg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NzY5O3E9OTU7dz0xMDAw/http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/March/Comics/dc/superman/ac7p31000.jpg

    or

    http://alturl.com/hjxch

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 28 20:29:08 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2015, BTR1701 wrote:

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >>>>>> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
    degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a pillow over his face.

    Maybe he's like a whale, and can just hold a lot of air so he can last
    longer.

    But whales can drown too.

    Michael

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Sat Nov 28 16:26:46 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/28/2015 11:26 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?

    By spending a little extra money

    Right there is where anyone in power in Hollywood stopped reading. :)

    --
    Even Confucius complained about the younger generation's music.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From shawn@21:1/5 to fortress@arctic.com.invalid on Sun Nov 29 07:18:38 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0500, Super-Menace
    <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies >> >> and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in
    first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
    budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
    The show has been very sloppy about the details.

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
    might expect. So long as they remain internally consistent with her capabilities or present a reason for a variation (like Barry Allen
    getting faster as he learns to use his powers.) I don't see a reason
    to complain.

    The fact that she might drown after being knocked out of the sky fits
    in with this idea that she's not all powerful.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Sat Nov 28 14:46:20 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <n3d1ot$rg5$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>> movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>
    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>> dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    Please look at this picture.

    https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/Rsk9_JzGYe1rGeYgrCiEtg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g
    9NzY5O3E9OTU7dz0xMDAw/http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/Marc
    h/Comics/dc/superman/ac7p31000.jpg

    Please look at these pictures:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88475764/Superman1.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88475764/Superman2.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88475764/Superman3.png

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sun Nov 29 07:23:25 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:13:22 -0800, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high
    degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    It's hard to imagine that all you'd have to do to kill Superman is put a >pillow over his face.

    That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
    fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
    animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
    depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.
    While it might be nice if every story based itself on the same idea of
    what Superman can/can't do that would be severely limiting on the
    sorts of stories that get told.

    A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
    SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
    threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
    want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sun Nov 29 18:04:06 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    For your reference, records indicate that
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 11:26 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?

    By spending a little extra money

    Right there is where anyone in power in Hollywood stopped reading. :)

    Which is kinda sad, given the overall expense of getting the franchise
    started. You’d think they’d look at it from an ROI standpoint. Spend
    an extra $100K+ upfront to get something designed with legs to carry it
    on into the long tail of syndication, or save that trivial amount of
    money and just allow the show to rot on the vine after 9 episodes. It’s moves like this that are getting people burnt out on the superhero genre completely.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun Nov 29 18:20:40 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
    fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
    animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
    depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.

    Yeah. Same applies to the “yellow sun powers”: just be consistent and don’t show him flying around the galaxy one week but collapsing during
    an eclipse the next week (or whatever).

    A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
    SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
    threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
    want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him

    But, at the same time, Super people aren’t omniscient. It is quite acceptable to have them stop a bank robber they can see rather than
    the terrorist attack they couldn’t know about. That should actually be
    seen as a rich dramatic vein to mine. That’s another reason I was put
    off by the massive government agency’s involvement with Supergirl; it
    is going to be *very* hard to believably make her a local hero.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun Nov 29 10:26:34 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <l0rl5bpiko7cr57id1na6d9hoe6a8uls8n@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
    might expect.

    Which is why she should be Spider-Girl if they're going to de-power her
    to such an extent.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun Nov 29 07:36:25 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <l0rl5bpiko7cr57id1na6d9hoe6a8uls8n@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:16 -0500, Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the
    problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown
    when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more
    dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in >first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
    budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
    The show has been very sloppy about the details.

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
    might expect. So long as they remain internally consistent with her capabilities or present a reason for a variation (like Barry Allen
    getting faster as he learns to use his powers.) I don't see a reason
    to complain.

    The fact that she might drown after being knocked out of the sky fits
    in with this idea that she's not all powerful.

    It's also quite possible that the DOE just doesn't know what they're
    talking about.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com on Sun Nov 29 11:38:26 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3fflo$mf4$1@dont-email.me>,
    Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:

    For your reference, records indicate that
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
    fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
    animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
    depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.

    Yeah. Same applies to the “yellow sun powers”: just be consistent and don’t show him flying around the galaxy one week but collapsing during
    an eclipse the next week (or whatever).

    A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
    SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
    threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
    want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him

    But, at the same time, Super people aren’t omniscient. It is quite acceptable to have them stop a bank robber they can see rather than
    the terrorist attack they couldn’t know about. That should actually be seen as a rich dramatic vein to mine. That’s another reason I was put
    off by the massive government agency’s involvement with Supergirl; it
    is going to be *very* hard to believably make her a local hero.

    Yeah, that's a problem with the DOE - they have this huge presence, but
    it seems to be very centered on National City? Do they have field
    offices in Metropolis, Gotham, Star(ling), Central? I mean, they didn't
    move to National to be near Supergirl, since she was there first.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun Nov 29 18:38:58 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show.

    And yet they did jump right in to the use of super villains. There was
    only that *very* small window where they allowed her to screw up a
    couple local disasters. They chose to go big, and screwed their own
    show in the process.

    The fact that she might drown after being knocked out of the sky fits
    in with this idea that she's not all powerful.

    There has been too many retellings of these stories for their own good.
    The variations need to be *established* in each story line, not just
    dropped in as throw away lines. Partly to remind the writers that *they*
    are the ones with the burden of staying consistent. If lack of air is a
    known weakness for this universe’s Super people, I expect to see villains focus on *that* as an attack vector, not some stupid punching and kicking nonsense that has been seen to be ineffective time and time again. Any
    bets the writers are competent enough to do that?

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com on Sun Nov 29 12:15:06 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3fgo1$qnb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:

    For your reference, records indicate that
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show.

    And yet they did jump right in to the use of super villains. There was
    only that *very* small window where they allowed her to screw up a
    couple local disasters. They chose to go big, and screwed their own
    show in the process.

    But they seem to have memory holed the Phantom Zone criminals - they've
    even pulled the mention of them from the opening narration.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From Jim G.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 29 15:38:31 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/28/2015 at 06:05 PM:
    In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
    In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

    Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,

    Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.

    Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?

    Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of
    em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
    And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
    recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
    THAT in.

    Heh. Meanwhile, Kara's a year younger and fetching coffee. Quite the underachiever!

    Plus a full year at the DEO before she was allowed to go into
    the field. They made it sound like she's been working for Henshaw for a decade (and she easily looks old enough for that to work) but in reality
    it can't be more than a year or two.

    Yeah, there are all kinds of reasons why it would make a lot of sense to
    have a larger age gap between her and Kara.

    --
    Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
    "I'm calling it. Time of death 9:47 p.m. Drug overdose. This job isn't
    so hard." -- Blaine DeBeers, iZOMBIE

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Sun Nov 29 15:16:22 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/29/2015 11:20 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    That's all dependent on the version. Some versions of Superman could
    fly across the galaxy with no support. Then others (like in the
    animated Justice League) needed oxygen when in outer space. It just
    depends on what they writers wanted for their character. So as each
    show/movie/book is internally consistent I don't see the problem.

    Yeah. Same applies to the “yellow sun powers”: just be consistent and don’t show him flying around the galaxy one week but collapsing during
    an eclipse the next week (or whatever).

    A Superman that is powered similarly to what we see on the show
    SUPERGIRL isn't the sort of character to take on galactic level
    threats, but then someone that super powered isn't really the guy you
    want taking on bank robbers in a story as there's no threat to him

    But, at the same time, Super people aren’t omniscient. It is quite acceptable to have them stop a bank robber they can see rather than
    the terrorist attack they couldn’t know about. That should actually be seen as a rich dramatic vein to mine.

    It isn't. Superhero shows up for things he knows about and not for
    things he doesn't know about. There's not a lot of drama in that story
    unless it's something the superhero "should" have known about. Things
    that Superman doesn't know about happen all the time. That's why
    there's room for other superheros and cops and paramedics...

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Sun Nov 29 15:21:10 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:

    My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
    human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.


    That's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
    more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered girlfriend
    than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck it could
    even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her interest in him.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Jim G. on Sun Nov 29 16:09:31 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3fr47$3vb$9@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/28/2015 at 06:05 PM:
    In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
    In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

    Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,

    Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.

    Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?

    Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
    And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
    recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
    THAT in.

    Heh. Meanwhile, Kara's a year younger and fetching coffee. Quite the underachiever!

    That's ... a good point. Unless Kara's been working for Grant for a
    looooong time ... what the hell did she do the last several years? (I'm
    not even sure she went to college)

    Plus a full year at the DEO before she was allowed to go into
    the field. They made it sound like she's been working for Henshaw for a decade (and she easily looks old enough for that to work) but in reality
    it can't be more than a year or two.

    Yeah, there are all kinds of reasons why it would make a lot of sense to
    have a larger age gap between her and Kara.

    It probably works when they're younger but as adults, not so much.

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Sun Nov 29 17:54:58 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    For your reference, records indicate that
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:

    Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much I’m
    not even sure it actually happened anymore.

    I just checked. It didn't.

    There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit
    that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the
    atomic axe.

    I don’t think I saw that episode. Perhaps it was after her Super-aunt
    (or whatever; they jammed the first 3 episodes with so many characters
    that I couldn’t bother to care much about any one of them) got cut with
    the kryptonite knife. Or I might have jumbled it up with some other
    show in the same week where a tough woman got stitches in a way that
    didn’t fit for her character. Whatever the case, I decided to pass on Supergirl after episode 3.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and
    Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.

    That’s the problem: we *don’t* know because it never seems to be part of the mainstream discussion. The only time I recall Super-sex being depicted
    was in the Christoper Reeve incarnation, and it was only OK then because
    his super powers had been taken away. I highly doubt any comic arcs about
    them being married actually talked about doing the deed; they probably even
    did that sad depiction of marriage as having two beds in the bedroom!

    My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
    human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
    because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is
    the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to consul@dolphinsPLEASEdelAWAY-cove.D on Sun Nov 29 17:19:13 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <n3g3sa$722$2@dont-email.me>,
    ~consul <consul@dolphinsPLEASEdelAWAY-cove.DELcom> wrote:

    On 11/29/2015 5:21 PM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero >> interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
    human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
    because of their particular dynamic. That doesnt fit when the female is >> the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that >> Supergirl hasnt got much of a secret identity in this show.
    That's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
    more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered
    girlfriend than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck
    it could even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her
    interest in him.

    If I recall the dialogue correctly, I liked how Lana said that she

    Lucy. This isn't the girl from Smallville, it's Lois Lane's blonde
    little sister, Jimmy's traditional squeeze.

    (Lana) would have no chance with Jimmy if she was competing with
    Supergirl. That he would drop everything if Superman called, a super-man-crush. And now with Superman in a skirt, how can he resist? :D

    I did like that line. :)

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sun Nov 29 11:33:14 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <atropos-4996E8.10263429112015@news.giganews.com>,
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <l0rl5bpiko7cr57id1na6d9hoe6a8uls8n@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    I don't see a problem here so far unless you are comparing this
    version of Supergirl to what you've seen elsewhere. They are showing
    her to have real weaknesses even without kryptonite which makes it
    easier to tell an interesting story. Otherwise you have to have
    villains that are capable of destroying worlds to present a credible
    threat (or they use magic) and that isn't reasonable on a weekly basis
    for a TV show. So we get a Supergirl that isn't quite as super as you
    might expect.

    Which is why she should be Spider-Girl if they're going to de-power her
    to such an extent.

    Or they could just change Spider-Woman's last name and give her a
    Netflix series ...

    --
    Barb May is wrong, stupid, fat, ugly, and a liar. As usual.

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  • From ~consul@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Sun Nov 29 19:07:54 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/29/2015 5:21 PM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have zero >> interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
    human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
    because of their particular dynamic. That doesnt fit when the female is
    the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given that >> Supergirl hasnt got much of a secret identity in this show.
    That's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
    more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered
    girlfriend than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck
    it could even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her
    interest in him.

    If I recall the dialogue correctly, I liked how Lana said that she
    (Lana) would have no chance with Jimmy if she was competing with
    Supergirl. That he would drop everything if Superman called, a
    super-man-crush. And now with Superman in a skirt, how can he resist? :D
    --
    "... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here,
    at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
    --till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com on Sun Nov 29 22:05:18 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <n3fe5i$g7v$1@dont-email.me>, Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:

    For your reference, records indicate that
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:

    Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much Im
    not even sure it actually happened anymore.

    I just checked. It didn't.

    There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the
    atomic axe.

    I dont think I saw that episode. Perhaps it was after her Super-aunt
    (or whatever; they jammed the first 3 episodes with so many characters
    that I couldnt bother to care much about any one of them) got cut with
    the kryptonite knife. Or I might have jumbled it up with some other
    show in the same week where a tough woman got stitches in a way that
    didnt fit for her character. Whatever the case, I decided to pass on Supergirl after episode 3.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldnt have been a big deal for Lois and
    Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.

    Thats the problem: we *dont* know because it never seems to be part of
    the mainstream discussion. The only time I recall Super-sex being depicted was in the Christoper Reeve incarnation, and it was only OK then because
    his super powers had been taken away. I highly doubt any comic arcs about them being married actually talked about doing the deed; they probably even did that sad depiction of marriage as having two beds in the bedroom!


    We did have Clark and Lois in SMALLVILLE. They had an active sex life,
    and Clark even delivered a line about how things wouldn't get too rough
    for Lois because he'd achieved control over his involuntary reactions
    or somesuch.

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Sun Nov 29 22:06:08 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <anim8rfsk-4B49AB.11104828112015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <281120151036160904%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics,
    movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for
    Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week.

    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    I've been reading DC since 1959 and saw ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN in first-run, so I have a high potential for snark. A series with this
    budget and this talent should not be screwing things up as it has been.
    The show has been very sloppy about the details.

    You keep saying "talent" - serious question: What "talent" is there
    behind this that impresses you?


    It's a fair question. I think the look of the show is very good. I
    think the lead is well cast. I like the newsroom set. I like the
    super-suit very much. I think they're working extraordinarily hard on
    the flying. Kara doesn't just go across the screen; she swoops in,
    pirouettes in midair. Her flying has depth as well as length and
    breadth.

    I wish the writing were up to all this. There seems to be an internal
    squabble over what Kara can and cannot do, and the goalposts get moved
    every week.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Sun Nov 29 21:20:48 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <291120152205182752%fortress@arctic.com.invalid>,
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    In article <n3fe5i$g7v$1@dont-email.me>, Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:

    For your reference, records indicate that
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 12:07 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:

    Stiches!?! My mind is rebelling against that so much Im
    not even sure it actually happened anymore.

    I just checked. It didn't.

    There's a 'pull the chunk out of her juicy flesh and watch it heal' bit that could be mistaken for getting stitches, but I think that's the atomic axe.

    I dont think I saw that episode. Perhaps it was after her Super-aunt
    (or whatever; they jammed the first 3 episodes with so many characters
    that I couldnt bother to care much about any one of them) got cut with
    the kryptonite knife. Or I might have jumbled it up with some other
    show in the same week where a tough woman got stitches in a way that
    didnt fit for her character. Whatever the case, I decided to pass on Supergirl after episode 3.

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle contractions. Otherwise, it shouldnt have been a big deal for Lois and
    Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.

    Thats the problem: we *dont* know because it never seems to be part of the mainstream discussion. The only time I recall Super-sex being depicted was in the Christoper Reeve incarnation, and it was only OK then because his super powers had been taken away. I highly doubt any comic arcs about them being married actually talked about doing the deed; they probably even did that sad depiction of marriage as having two beds in the bedroom!


    We did have Clark and Lois in SMALLVILLE. They had an active sex life,
    and Clark even delivered a line about how things wouldn't get too rough
    for Lois because he'd achieved control over his involuntary reactions
    or somesuch.

    And we had Clark boffing Lana routinely, even if it did turn out to be
    Bizarro. :D

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Mon Nov 30 18:08:29 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    Super-Menace <fortress@arctic.com.invalid> wrote:

    We did have Clark and Lois in SMALLVILLE. They had an active sex life,
    and Clark even delivered a line about how things wouldn't get too rough
    for Lois because he'd achieved control over his involuntary reactions
    or somesuch.

    That’s one way to make it work, I suppose, but it sounds like a rather disappointing solution. Maybe sex just works differently for Kryptonians.
    And who am I to say what these aliens should enjoy in their human
    beastiality? ;-)

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 12:28:39 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3a6dp$dps$1@dont-email.me...

    [reasons that Doc bailed on Supergirl after 3 eps]

    1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...

    2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...

    I've abbreviated that and grouped your 1 & 2 because they
    overlap. If her super powers were truly godlike for example,
    she would never be inept. What most struck me about your
    post was that your list and mine were almost identical.
    Here's my brief list I posted before yours, but I've added
    numbering:

    "... 1) Kara's had angst at home, 2) at CatCo, 3) performing
    as Supergirl, 4) problems with her love life..."

    So my #3 "performing as Supergirl" angst gets to your #1
    "inept" and #2 "not all that great" superpowers. I'll return
    to a bit more detail but for now note my #4 on her love life
    versus your #4 that I'll skip to:

    4) The swooning she does for Jimmy Olsen...

    Essentially identical and it was even the 4th point we each
    listed. Now back to your #3:

    3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
    she is....

    My #1 "Kara's had angst at home" may seem different but
    I think the practical "angst" effect is the same. If all the
    people who knew were off screen and never seen, few
    if any watching would ever think about it. That's not the
    case, and so it's the angst-filled interactions between a
    few in the know that can drag down the show.

    For example they have the nightmare Thanksgiving, where
    Kara's Step Mom and Step Sister have it out, while Toyman
    Jr.'s stuck in the middle. Kara won't take a phone call except...
    oops it's from Jimmy so she'll take it because... well maybe
    she experiences undiagnosed red kryptonite syndrome and
    can't help herself. It really did make her look pathetic.

    To me, it's not really that they all five know each other that's
    the main problem. (I'm including Jimmy on the Thanksgiving
    phone call). It's what the WRITERS have USED that dynamic
    for so far. They've used it for annoying / silly purposes, the
    kind that have contributed to why 45% of the viewers left
    the show. If it were JUST a Thanksgiving disaster it wouldn't
    drive many away, but it's in the context of so many other
    angstfests that it drags more out the door over 5 eps e.g.:

    She pushes the ship, but it breaks and she causes an oil
    spill. She becomes a media joke. Maxwell Lord gets on
    her case. In a later incident, Superman has to save her
    from Reactron. Yes, we later *hear* a few characters tout
    that she beat Reactron and Superman never did, but saying
    it never sticks for viewers when they've experienced a
    different visual. She may have been dead if Superman
    hadn't saved her the first time. They can't undo that.

    In another example, even her sister Alex reminds Supergirl
    that Livewire can kill her, and the not-so subtle message
    is again that this is a fragile *not-so-Supergirl*.

    Nearly drowning from the bomb (a separate incident in
    a later ep ) can be compared to the other three, but the
    reference whooshed past without our seeing her nearly
    drown, or for that matter conclusively hurt. We know as
    she's powering up, but her seeing the red eyes dominates.
    Fact is, she defeated all of Lord's bomb tests each of the
    three attempts, and she saved the city. So I'd agrue that
    there's hope here that they're getting beyond the Inept
    Supergirl. That phase along with the other angst is what
    tanked the 45% though. It's very difficult to get those back.

    It is almost NEVER ONE THING that drives viewers away.
    If it is, it's probably irrelevant in the sense that viewer is
    someone who'd soon have left anyway. The CUMULATIVE
    effect (in this case four different angst-filled categories)
    is what does it, and then maybe one trigger on top of all
    that is what sends the viewer away.

    The lesson is that angst-filled, annoying writing can't
    be pumped out week after week after week without it
    seriously damaging the show. It's just a Supergirl show.
    People didn't sign up for a pile of angst and annoyance.
    The 55% still watching may keep holding their noses,
    some indefinitely perhaps. But there's probably still
    some potential downside left. Smallville lost 75% of
    its viewers, but it took years to get that low and its
    second season was actually its highest-rated. So far,
    Supergirl has been straight down. The need eps in the
    pipe that will stop the bleeding and give us better. I
    want to be optimistic but something's gotta give.

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  • From Bill Steele@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 14:18:27 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    When she had the interview with
    Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
    as she floated above her. My first thought was
    that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
    was Kara. We'll see...

    The underlying assumption is that her glasses are a 100% effective
    disguise, just like Clark Kent's.

    I still flash on the old radio show, where Superman rescues Lois from
    something and says "Good thing it's dark in here."

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 11:33:03 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <dc3f9nFsgf2U1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3a6dp$dps$1@dont-email.me...

    [reasons that Doc bailed on Supergirl after 3 eps]

    1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...

    2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...

    I've abbreviated that and grouped your 1 & 2 because they
    overlap. If her super powers were truly godlike for example,
    she would never be inept.

    That's obviously possible - see Ambush Bug. Or the Composite Superman.
    He's like the most powerful character in the DC Universe, and he was
    completely inept, despite having Brainiac 5's intellect.

    What most struck me about your
    post was that your list and mine were almost identical.
    Here's my brief list I posted before yours, but I've added
    numbering:

    "... 1) Kara's had angst at home, 2) at CatCo, 3) performing
    as Supergirl, 4) problems with her love life..."

    So my #3 "performing as Supergirl" angst gets to your #1
    "inept" and #2 "not all that great" superpowers. I'll return
    to a bit more detail but for now note my #4 on her love life
    versus your #4 that I'll skip to:

    4) The swooning she does for Jimmy Olsen...

    Essentially identical and it was even the 4th point we each
    listed. Now back to your #3:

    3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
    she is....

    My #1 "Kara's had angst at home" may seem different but
    I think the practical "angst" effect is the same. If all the
    people who knew were off screen and never seen, few
    if any watching would ever think about it. That's not the
    case, and so it's the angst-filled interactions between a
    few in the know that can drag down the show.

    For example they have the nightmare Thanksgiving, where
    Kara's Step Mom and Step Sister have it out, while Toyman
    Jr.'s stuck in the middle. Kara won't take a phone call except...
    oops it's from Jimmy so she'll take it because... well maybe
    she experiences undiagnosed red kryptonite syndrome and
    can't help herself. It really did make her look pathetic.

    First, why don't they adjust his damn signal watch so it calls HER too?
    In the meantime, she really has to take calls from anybody who knows
    she's Supergirl, because what if she doesn't and the message is "space
    shuttle about to crash into Metropolis"?

    To me, it's not really that they all five know each other that's
    the main problem. (I'm including Jimmy on the Thanksgiving
    phone call). It's what the WRITERS have USED that dynamic
    for so far. They've used it for annoying / silly purposes, the
    kind that have contributed to why 45% of the viewers left
    the show. If it were JUST a Thanksgiving disaster it wouldn't
    drive many away, but it's in the context of so many other
    angstfests that it drags more out the door over 5 eps e.g.:

    She pushes the ship,

    Actually she PULLS it. By the nose. Which is why it breaks. It sort
    of works from the standpoint that it's an incredibly stupid thing for
    her to do.

    but it breaks and she causes an oil
    spill. She becomes a media joke. Maxwell Lord gets on
    her case. In a later incident, Superman has to save her
    from Reactron. Yes, we later *hear* a few characters tout
    that she beat Reactron and Superman never did, but saying
    it never sticks for viewers when they've experienced a
    different visual. She may have been dead if Superman
    hadn't saved her the first time. They can't undo that.

    And it's the lead in all CatCo media stories forever.

    In another example, even her sister Alex reminds Supergirl
    that Livewire can kill her, and the not-so subtle message
    is again that this is a fragile *not-so-Supergirl*.

    Of course there's no possible way for Alex to know that.

    Nearly drowning from the bomb (a separate incident in
    a later ep ) can be compared to the other three, but the
    reference whooshed past without our seeing her nearly
    drown, or for that matter conclusively hurt. We know as
    she's powering up, but her seeing the red eyes dominates.
    Fact is, she defeated all of Lord's bomb tests each of the

    The problem is, the bombs we saw go off ... weren't that powerful. One weakened a building, the other blew up a train car. Unless the middle
    one was incredibly more powerful, and why would it be, they've
    established her as not being very tough.

    three attempts, and she saved the city. So I'd agrue that
    there's hope here that they're getting beyond the Inept
    Supergirl. That phase along with the other angst is what
    tanked the 45% though. It's very difficult to get those back.

    It is almost NEVER ONE THING that drives viewers away.
    If it is, it's probably irrelevant in the sense that viewer is
    someone who'd soon have left anyway. The CUMULATIVE
    effect (in this case four different angst-filled categories)
    is what does it, and then maybe one trigger on top of all
    that is what sends the viewer away.

    The lesson is that angst-filled, annoying writing can't
    be pumped out week after week after week without it
    seriously damaging the show. It's just a Supergirl show.
    People didn't sign up for a pile of angst and annoyance.
    The 55% still watching may keep holding their noses,
    some indefinitely perhaps. But there's probably still
    some potential downside left. Smallville lost 75% of
    its viewers, but it took years to get that low and its
    second season was actually its highest-rated. So far,
    Supergirl has been straight down. The need eps in the
    pipe that will stop the bleeding and give us better. I
    want to be optimistic but something's gotta give.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Mon Nov 30 14:39:29 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3i5v4$bb$1@dont-email.me...

    For your reference, records indicate that
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    ... If her super powers were truly godlike for example, she would
    never be inept.

    That’s not entirely true. Consider that throw away scene where
    they had her rip apart the oil tanker...

    Yes I mentioned that, with an error as Ani pointed out (I said she
    pushed; she pulled and that ripped the ship). To me, definitionally,
    godlike powers can't be that if someone is inept and has no idea
    how to use them. That's more like fodder for a comedy than what
    people expect to be a superhero show.

    As David posted here (and Super-Menace on rec.arts.sf.superman),
    CBS has given Supergirl a 20-ep season. I think the issue is going
    to be whether they renew it beyond that just before the upfronts
    in May, or throw in the towel. They'll know by then whether the
    Tribune negotiations with The CW have worked out. If CBS drops
    Supergirl and Tribune is in, I can't imagine The CW not picking up
    Supergirl.

    Here's the live same day damage so far, the -45% I mentioned:

    Ep 1 --- 12.96 Million Viewers
    Ep 2 --- 8.87 Million Viewers
    Ep 3 --- 8.07 Million Viewers
    Ep 4 --- 7.77 Million Viewers
    Ep 5 --- 7.19 Million Viewers -- (*** 45% below the Pilot ***)

    The stunts with Benoist's husband, and Superboy at 13, and the
    rumored (I think likely) Supergirl crossover with the Flash / Arrow
    in May, could all help.

    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with you that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 18:53:24 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    For your reference, records indicate that
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3a6dp$dps$1@dont-email.me...

    [reasons that Doc bailed on Supergirl after 3 eps]

    1) The way they constantly kept showing her as inept...

    2) Her super powers don’t seem all that great...

    I've abbreviated that and grouped your 1 & 2 because they
    overlap. If her super powers were truly godlike for example,
    she would never be inept.

    That’s not entirely true. Consider that throw away scene where they
    had her rip apart the oil tanker, and then apparently abandon the
    spill she caused! If they had been smarter, and chosen to go small
    rather than go big, that whole incident should have been an entire
    episode where she stuck around to help, and thus better established
    the character.

    They’re not the same problem, and they aren’t even *inherently* a
    problem, but for they way this show has been written, they definitely
    *do* cause problems (which are too easily related to one another). I absolutely would have been on board with a show that established her
    as a weak and inexperienced superohero, so long as they *also* showed
    real growth in the process.

    Consider the Netflix version of Daredevil, for example, where they took
    the entire first *season* to establish their costumed character. I loved
    the way that show was crafted, and I would have loved Supergirl if it had
    been crafted half as well. Instead, they made everything happen at once,
    but also made her weak and stupid at the same time. Just didn’t work for
    me.

    3) It seems like everyone and their mother knows who
    she is....

    My #1 "Kara's had angst at home" may seem different but
    I think the practical "angst" effect is the same. If all the
    people who knew were off screen and never seen, few
    if any watching would ever think about it.

    That’s true, but it’s only part of the problem. From a storytelling perspective, everyone being in on the secret really limits the
    directions you can go. There are fewer opportunities to exploit the
    duality to drive the plot along. For example, Jimmy Olsen knows
    both identities and doesn’t appear to be interested in either, and
    that does lead to the pointless angst on her part, but it also
    means no possible love triangle a la Superman/Lois/Clark. At least
    not unless the writers start introducing more characters to the
    already overcrowded cast.

    To me, it's not really that they all five know each other that's
    the main problem. (I'm including Jimmy on the Thanksgiving
    phone call). It's what the WRITERS have USED that dynamic
    for so far.

    I’m just not sure *how* they can use it to any great effect. I just
    don’t see a lot of dramatic potential in making it a shared secret.
    Not in the world they’ve built so far, anyway.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 20:48:52 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    Op 29-11-2015 om 23:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/29/2015 10:54 AM, Doc O'Leary wrote:

    My point remains that, without a frank approach to the matter, I have
    zero
    interest in seeing a Super person get all hot and bothered over a puny
    human. What works dramatically for the Superman/Lois/Clark triangle is
    because of their particular dynamic. That doesn’t fit when the female is >> the Super one, and it is an especially awkward as a plot device given
    that
    Supergirl hasn’t got much of a secret identity in this show.


    That's one of the curious things about superheroines. People are much
    more accepting of the idea that a hero can have a non-powered girlfriend
    than that a heroine can have a non-powered boyfriend. Heck it could
    even be the reason why Olsen is studiously ignoring her interest in him.

    Did anyone here see "My Super Ex-Girlfriend"?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465624/

    --
    www.woutervalentijn.net 7^2

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Bill Steele on Mon Nov 30 12:27:53 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    When she had the interview with
    Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
    as she floated above her. My first thought was
    that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
    was Kara. We'll see...

    The underlying assumption is that her glasses are a 100% effective
    disguise, just like Clark Kent's.

    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
    have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers, or why the
    Hell she's wearing glasses when she's not in disguise ...

    I still flash on the old radio show, where Superman rescues Lois from something and says "Good thing it's dark in here."

    heh

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 12:53:11 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "Doc O'Leary" wrote in message news:n3i5v4$bb$1@dont-email.me...

    For your reference, records indicate that
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    ... If her super powers were truly godlike for example, she would
    never be inept.

    That’s not entirely true. Consider that throw away scene where
    they had her rip apart the oil tanker...

    Yes I mentioned that, with an error as Ani pointed out (I said she
    pushed; she pulled and that ripped the ship). To me, definitionally,
    godlike powers can't be that if someone is inept and has no idea
    how to use them. That's more like fodder for a comedy than what
    people expect to be a superhero show.

    As David posted here (and Super-Menace on rec.arts.sf.superman),
    CBS has given Supergirl a 20-ep season. I think the issue is going
    to be whether they renew it beyond that just before the upfronts
    in May, or throw in the towel. They'll know by then whether the
    Tribune negotiations with The CW have worked out. If CBS drops
    Supergirl and Tribune is in, I can't imagine The CW not picking up
    Supergirl.

    Here's the live same day damage so far, the -45% I mentioned:

    Ep 1 --- 12.96 Million Viewers
    Ep 2 --- 8.87 Million Viewers
    Ep 3 --- 8.07 Million Viewers
    Ep 4 --- 7.77 Million Viewers
    Ep 5 --- 7.19 Million Viewers -- (*** 45% below the Pilot ***)

    The stunts with Benoist's husband, and Superboy at 13, and the
    rumored (I think likely) Supergirl crossover with the Flash / Arrow
    in May, could all help.

    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with you that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 20:54:00 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    Op 28-11-2015 om 22:22 schreef anim8rfsk:
    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:


    <snip>

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
    contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois and >>> Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.


    Uhm, Kryptonite or Kryptonian? Their sex should be safe. Also for him. ;-)

    --
    www.woutervalentijn.net 7^2

    liam=mail

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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 20:40:25 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    Op 28-11-2015 om 22:14 schreef anim8rfsk:
    In article <atropos-6220EF.12132128112015@news.giganews.com>,
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>>> movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or
    destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a
    number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>>
    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>>> dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    The dreadful Byrne Post-Crisis reboot had him wearing a little paint
    fume protection mask to fly to other planets.


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
    of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with
    Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/


    --
    www.woutervalentijn.net 7^2

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  • From Jim G.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 16:27:45 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/29/2015 at 05:09 PM:
    In article <n3fr47$3vb$9@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/28/2015 at 06:05 PM:
    In article <n3d9q8$qu2$15@dont-email.me>,
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    anim8rfsk sent the following on 11/25/2015 at 09:42 PM:
    In article <251120152219419647%nope@noway.com>,
    A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

    Alex Danvers has been working for Henshaw for years,

    Can't be many years, as she's supposed to be 24.

    Really? Wow. How old is *Kara* supposed to be, then?

    Kara's one year younger. They're either 23 and 24 or 24 and 25. One of >>> em's 24, and they're a year apart when Kara comes to live with them.
    And Alex did college and I think was in grad school when she was
    recruited? The Wikis say she's also a doctor; Rao knows when she fit
    THAT in.

    Heh. Meanwhile, Kara's a year younger and fetching coffee. Quite the
    underachiever!

    That's ... a good point. Unless Kara's been working for Grant for a
    looooong time ... what the hell did she do the last several years? (I'm
    not even sure she went to college)

    She and Brian from LIMITLESS would probably get along really well.

    But seriously, if they're a year apart in age and Alex has accomplished
    all of those things, then, yeah, Kara should have been feeling pretty inadequate before she put on that cape.

    --
    Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
    "I'm calling it. Time of death 9:47 p.m. Drug overdose. This job isn't
    so hard." -- Blaine DeBeers, iZOMBIE

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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to Wouter Valentijn on Mon Nov 30 17:21:42 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015, Wouter Valentijn wrote:

    Op 28-11-2015 om 22:22 schreef anim8rfsk:
    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:


    <snip>

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
    contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn’t have been a big deal for Lois >>>> and
    Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.


    Uhm, Kryptonite or Kryptonian? Their sex should be safe. Also for him. ;-)

    But Kryptonite would ensure that the sperm stops dead.

    Maybe there's a special color of Kryptonite for birth control.

    BUt maybe it is just a bit of baby blanket that becomes strong under the yellow sun.

    Or maybe her mom packed some Kryptonian birth control devices "for future use".

    Michael

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Michael Black on Mon Nov 30 17:57:53 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1511301720090.7795@darkstar.example.org>,
    Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015, Wouter Valentijn wrote:

    Op 28-11-2015 om 22:22 schreef anim8rfsk:
    In article <n3d53a$9di$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:


    <snip>

    I always assumed it was an issue with . . . involuntary muscle
    contractions. Otherwise, it shouldn⤁t have been a big deal for Lois >>>> and
    Supes to hook up, either.

    It wasn't. They were married for years.

    We don't know she didn't have a Kryptonite diaphragm or something.


    Uhm, Kryptonite or Kryptonian? Their sex should be safe. Also for him. ;-)

    But Kryptonite would ensure that the sperm stops dead.

    Maybe there's a special color of Kryptonite for birth control.

    BUt maybe it is just a bit of baby blanket that becomes strong under the yellow sun.

    hah! I like that.

    Or maybe her mom packed some Kryptonian birth control devices "for future use".

    Michael

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 19:57:26 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
    Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
    maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
    Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
    then yawn. It it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
    a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
    if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
    important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Wouter Valentijn on Mon Nov 30 12:51:50 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <565ca62b$0$23736$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
    Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 28-11-2015 om 22:14 schreef anim8rfsk:
    In article <atropos-6220EF.12132128112015@news.giganews.com>,
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <n3ct45$9en$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2015 8:36 AM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <56593733$0$1660$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
    Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 11/27/2015 2:20 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5658c8e5$0$1697$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional >>>>>> Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    This is the same problem that cripples the writing of the comics, >>>>>>> movies
    and every other TV show. How do you write a credible threat for >>>>>>> Superman (or Supergirl) that doesn't involve leveling cities or >>>>>>> destroying continents _without_ hobbling them somehow?


    You send in the Parasite, Doomsday, Mxyzptlk, Luthor, or any of a >>>>>> number of other Superman-worthy opponents. You don't deal with the >>>>>> problem by varying the character's power levels from week to week. >>>>>>
    Supergirl should not have been harmed by that bomb, much less drown >>>>>> when she fell into the ocean. I can hear them now: "But it's more >>>>>> dramatic that way!"

    They need to vet these scripts. Seriously.

    You must be new here, we've been snarking on that kind of story
    stupidity for _DECADES_.


    Given the budget and this kind of talent, I expect a series with a high >>>> degree of internal consistency. The mention of Supergirl possibly
    drowning after the explosion bothered me a lot more than her being
    harmed by the explosion itself.

    At various points in Superman's career he has needed to breathe.

    And yet he can fly in deep space with no breathing apparatus.

    The dreadful Byrne Post-Crisis reboot had him wearing a little paint
    fume protection mask to fly to other planets.


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
    of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/

    hee hee

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com on Mon Nov 30 20:23:48 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message >news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense. Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.


    In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
    Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
    maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
    Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
    then yawn. It it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
    a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
    if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
    important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to shawn on Mon Nov 30 21:47:48 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "shawn" wrote in message
    news:ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com...

    ... her continuing to attack Red Tornado makes sense. Of
    course the stupidity continues when the General blames
    her for unleashing an invisible killing machine...

    The naysayers can again point to Alex having literally saved
    Supergirl's life by killing Red Tornado's creator just in time.
    She then wins against "sentient" Red Tornado, vaporizing it
    with her anger-fueled heat vision. Earlier in the opening,
    she used the excessive force as some took video, and Lord
    makes a big deal out of that. Jimmy must be wondering if
    Kara's stable, after seeing that workout.

    Maybe Kara had Lazarus Pit treatments back on Krypton
    before her parents sent her off. :-) Calling Constantine?

    KalElFan wrote:

    In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
    Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
    maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
    Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
    then yawn.

    That was part of it! :-)

    [If] it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
    a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
    if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
    important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.

    The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
    Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
    and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
    "good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
    Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
    DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 20:49:16 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <dc49j7F4lafU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Ep has nothing to do with who Hank is, other than gratuitous eye glowing
    for no reason whatsoever.

    In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
    Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
    maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
    Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
    then yawn.

    that would be it

    It it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
    a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
    if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
    important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.

    Nothing about Hank.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Mon Nov 30 21:17:09 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <dc4g28F60mrU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "shawn" wrote in message
    news:ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com...

    ... her continuing to attack Red Tornado makes sense. Of
    course the stupidity continues when the General blames
    her for unleashing an invisible killing machine...

    The naysayers can again point to Alex having literally saved
    Supergirl's life by killing Red Tornado's creator just in time.
    She then wins against "sentient" Red Tornado, vaporizing it
    with her anger-fueled heat vision. Earlier in the opening,
    she used the excessive force as some took video, and Lord
    makes a big deal out of that. Jimmy must be wondering if
    Kara's stable, after seeing that workout.

    She should punch the engine out of a car at low power; that shouldn't be
    'out of control' mode.

    Maybe Kara had Lazarus Pit treatments back on Krypton
    before her parents sent her off. :-) Calling Constantine?

    KalElFan wrote:

    In the "How does she do it?" ep one line used that to refer to
    Cat, so it wasn't just Supergirl. I'm hoping (against hope!) that
    maybe there are multiple Red references here. If it's all about
    Supergirl taking crap from General Lane for trouncing his cyborg,
    then yawn.

    That was part of it! :-)

    [If] it's Alex and Supergirl realizing that Hank isn't
    a bad guy, and he's a friend of Superman and from Mars, and
    if they maybe learn Pa Danvers is still alive running something
    important, it might be the best episode yet. We'll see.

    The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
    Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
    and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
    "good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
    Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
    DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.

    It's not really consistent with HH being a field agent a year after he conscripted Pa by threatening to kidnap his daughter though.

    Oh, and Alex has worked for HH for 2 years.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Mon Nov 30 21:15:17 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message >news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense.

    And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
    down!"

    Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.

    Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.

    So did Jimmy.

    So did Hank.

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd
    clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
    rug?

    The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
    is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's
    just as likely to be following it's last directive.

    The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
    it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
    And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?

    Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty
    deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they
    holding it?

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
    dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
    Nice to mention.

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's
    that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
    Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?

    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that? And isn't
    wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb? And is that earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?

    Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again? Yeah, yeah, they worked it
    out, but still, that initial outburst should have been "I'm sorry your
    mother is a bitch, but I've quit better jobs than this"

    All in all though I liked it. But it's the actors and production crew overcoming the writing, that's for sure.

    Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
    more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
    right for drive time to Montecito.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 1 01:17:19 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:15:17 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message
    news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense.

    And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
    down!"

    Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.

    Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.

    So did Jimmy.

    So did Hank.

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd
    clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
    rug?

    That was some magic glass. I've never seen any so fragile that falling
    a foot would cause it shatter, let alone falling on to a thick rug.


    The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
    is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's
    just as likely to be following it's last directive.

    I agree that it shouldn't be sentient but based on what we saw with
    the way it changed it's stance and how it seemed to be looking at
    Supergirl I think they were trying to tell us that somehow the
    creator's mind ended up in the Red Tornado. Sure it doesn't make sense
    and how the hell would Alex make that leap, but I'm pretty sure that's
    what they were trying to go for. Which makes Kara a murderer of sorts
    since it would be a human consciousness in a robot body. Not that she
    wasn't defending herself but she still 'killed' the supposedly
    sentient Red Tornado. Unless they are going to say it can repair
    itself.

    The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
    it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
    And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?

    I thought that was the equivalent of throwing rocks at it to get it's attention. Why she felt the need to do that as opposed to flying up
    and punching it.. I dunno.

    Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty >deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they >holding it?

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
    dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    LOL. That did look unbelievably strange. I don't know the FX guys were thinking.

    So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
    Nice to mention.

    Yep. Guess they must have Harrison Wells and Cisco on staff helping
    them build a proper containment center for all these aliens with
    various powers.

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's
    that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
    Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?

    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that? And isn't
    wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb? And is that >earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?

    Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again? Yeah, yeah, they worked it
    out, but still, that initial outburst should have been "I'm sorry your
    mother is a bitch, but I've quit better jobs than this"

    They are making Kara out to be the most milk toast of characters.
    She's what Clark Kent was when he started out except she apparently
    really is like that.

    All in all though I liked it. But it's the actors and production crew >overcoming the writing, that's for sure.

    Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
    more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
    right for drive time to Montecito.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 1 00:06:08 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message
    news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Who is not in fact a cyborg.


    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense.

    And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
    down!"

    Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.

    Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.

    So did Jimmy.

    So did Hank.

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    There is no message except "This President is fictional"


    How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd
    clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
    rug?

    The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
    is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's
    just as likely to be following it's last directive.

    The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
    it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?

    Well it was unleashing uncontrolled tornados in the middle of a city.

    And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?

    Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they holding it?

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
    dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
    Nice to mention.

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's
    that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
    Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?

    Waiting to see if they ever need to cast Lucy and Lois's grandfather.


    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?

    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    And isn't
    wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb?And is that earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?

    Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again?

    Because she's a doormat.

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  • From Doc O'Leary@21:1/5 to Jim G. on Tue Dec 1 22:56:15 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    For your reference, records indicate that
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    But seriously, if they're a year apart in age and Alex has accomplished
    all of those things, then, yeah, Kara should have been feeling pretty inadequate before she put on that cape.

    Other than the fact, you know, that she did still have all those super
    powers. That’s another part I just don’t get about the character. The
    way Superman’s “mild-mannered” alter-ego makes sense is because it is clearly an act. He knows he’s the goddamn Superman, so it’s no problem
    to pretend he’s a bumbling boob when it suits his needs.

    But Supergirl isn’t like that at all. She’s the same, as was said
    by someone else, milquetoast loser regardless of which outfit she’s
    wearing. It’s part of the whole pile-on with everyone knowing her
    secret identity. This lack of duality just didn’t work for me.

    --
    "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
    River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Tue Dec 1 00:26:56 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3jgoa$7gi$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message
    news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon, >>>>> perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Who is not in fact a cyborg.


    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense.

    And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
    down!"

    Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.

    Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.

    So did Jimmy.

    So did Hank.

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    There is no message except "This President is fictional"

    Could be. It also may separate it from other DC shows, if we've seen
    their President ...


    How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
    rug?

    The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
    is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's just as likely to be following it's last directive.

    The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
    it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?

    Well it was unleashing uncontrolled tornados in the middle of a city.

    And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?

    Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they holding it?

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ... dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
    Nice to mention.

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
    Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?

    Waiting to see if they ever need to cast Lucy and Lois's grandfather.

    Heh


    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?

    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    I'm thinking "yellow paint"

    And isn't
    wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb?And is that earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?

    Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again?

    Because she's a doormat.

    Sigh. I guess.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Doc O'Leary on Tue Dec 1 18:19:18 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 12/1/2015 3:56 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote:
    For your reference, records indicate that
    "Jim G." <jimgysin@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

    But seriously, if they're a year apart in age and Alex has accomplished
    all of those things, then, yeah, Kara should have been feeling pretty
    inadequate before she put on that cape.

    Other than the fact, you know, that she did still have all those super powers. That’s another part I just don’t get about the character. The way Superman’s “mild-mannered” alter-ego makes sense is because it is clearly an act. He knows he’s the goddamn Superman, so it’s no problem to pretend he’s a bumbling boob when it suits his needs.

    But Supergirl isn’t like that at all. She’s the same, as was said
    by someone else, milquetoast loser regardless of which outfit she’s wearing. It’s part of the whole pile-on with everyone knowing her
    secret identity. This lack of duality just didn’t work for me.


    What puzzled me is that Livewire called her adorkable. How would she
    have known that considering that Supergirl hadn't done more than
    exchange a few words with Cat at that point?

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Wouter Valentijn on Tue Dec 1 18:21:06 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
    of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most significant and lasting contribution.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Mon Nov 30 23:51:03 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <vbeq5b50e5v3a4838o4rlt6unkeun294v9@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:15:17 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    In article <ugtp5b5v7r6a2cnfv9h2ttqc9dcea61k63@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500, "KalElFan"
    <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message
    news:anim8rfsk-5AFE5C.12531130112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc3n0gFpgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
    ...
    Tonight's ep could also help if it teases that Hank is Martian
    Manhunter. I agree with [Doc] that the DEO concept is weak
    right now, but I don't think it's inherently weak. It's weak due
    to Hank being a 5-second bad guy that Supes and everyone
    had no clue about. He should have been dead long ago. If
    he's MM, on the other hand, he's a perfect leader of DEO.
    He is an alien, knows aliens, but is a future Justice Leaguer
    and trusted by Supes. Everything he's done, how he's acted,
    makes more sense.

    Even the title "red-faced" tonight, emphasis on red as in the
    red planet and also Kara and Alex being suspicious of Hank
    after the last ep, is a better fit if he's MM. They realize soon,
    perhaps, that Hank's actually a good guy.

    Isn't "red-faced" the Red Tornado?

    Nominally, "Red" Tornado fits as a color. I think they mean "red-
    faced" to refer to Supergirl messing up somehow though. The
    blurb includes: "Stress and anger get the better of Kara when
    she goes too far during a training exercise against..." [the Red
    military cyborg].

    Except she didn't really go too far. Sure that was the message they
    were trying to send but the robot was still attacking her so while she
    was working off some frustrations her continuing to attack Red Tornado
    makes sense.

    And nobody *said* that. Nobody said "your stupid robot didn't stand
    down!"

    Of course the stupidity continues when the General
    blames her for unleashing an invisible killing machine on the city
    while he was the one that started a test near the city with a robot
    that they can't control under all circumstances.

    Yes. She really needed to call him a lying incompetent racist jackass.

    So did Jimmy.

    So did Hank.

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    How the Hell did Kara *possibly* manage to drop that glass that she'd >clearly put on the table, and why it it shatter falling a foot to the
    rug?

    That was some magic glass. I've never seen any so fragile that falling
    a foot would cause it shatter, let alone falling on to a thick rug.


    The good news is, Alex pronounced 'sentient' correctly. The bad news
    is, she used it wrong - at best Red Tornado may be 'autonomous' but it's >just as likely to be following it's last directive.

    I agree that it shouldn't be sentient but based on what we saw with
    the way it changed it's stance and how it seemed to be looking at
    Supergirl I think they were trying to tell us that somehow the
    creator's mind ended up in the Red Tornado. Sure it doesn't make sense
    and how the hell would Alex make that leap, but I'm pretty sure that's
    what they were trying to go for. Which makes Kara a murderer of sorts
    since it would be a human consciousness in a robot body. Not that she
    wasn't defending herself but she still 'killed' the supposedly
    sentient Red Tornado. Unless they are going to say it can repair
    itself.

    yeah, there's a lot of 'huh?' there

    The bad news is Kara takes it easy on the damn thing when she thinks
    it's being controlled, and obliterates it when she thinks it's alive?
    And what exactly was the point of the missile launcher?

    I thought that was the equivalent of throwing rocks at it to get it's attention. Why she felt the need to do that as opposed to flying up
    and punching it.. I dunno.

    Game Night with just Kara and Jimmy and what's his name must be pretty >deadly. You'd think they'd at least invite Alex. And where were they >holding it?

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ... >dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    LOL. That did look unbelievably strange. I don't know the FX guys were thinking.

    hee hee - I *hope* that was FX!

    So the DOE has a *bunch* of Phantom Zone criminals in the basement?
    Nice to mention.

    Yep. Guess they must have Harrison Wells and Cisco on staff helping
    them build a proper containment center for all these aliens with
    various powers.

    snicker

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane - it's >that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at all.
    Where's Michael Ironside when you need him?

    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that? And isn't
    wearing the same earrings as Kara and Supergirl sorta dumb? And is that >earring supposed to be the earwig communications device?

    Okay, *why* doesn't she quite CatCo again? Yeah, yeah, they worked it
    out, but still, that initial outburst should have been "I'm sorry your >mother is a bitch, but I've quit better jobs than this"

    They are making Kara out to be the most milk toast of characters.
    She's what Clark Kent was when he started out except she apparently
    really is like that.

    Yeah, but Perry White wasn't an asshole.

    All in all though I liked it. But it's the actors and production crew >overcoming the writing, that's for sure.

    Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
    more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
    right for drive time to Montecito.

    --
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  • From ~consul@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Wed Dec 2 10:05:15 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.
    --
    "... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here,
    at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
    --till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 2 13:20:06 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, ~consul wrote:

    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    Maybe her mother packed a little sewing kit, the kind you can get for
    travel, so there's a needle of Krypton origin. On earth, that would have
    the same strength relative to her under the yellow sun of earth, so she
    could pierce her own ears.

    Years ago someone told me "take an ice cube, put it behind the ear, and
    then put the needle through the other side". I didn't have the nerve to
    do it, but after five holes with the ear piercing guns, I did take a
    plastic bottle cap, put it under my ear, and stick a needle through the
    other side. That one healed faster than the other five, because I put a
    gold hoop in the hole, an so the ear wasn't pinched by the stud.

    So Supergirl could pierce her own ears if she had the Krypton needle.
    Maybe she also has a pierced belly button, though I get the feeling those
    ar falling out of fashion.

    Michael

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Michael Black on Wed Dec 2 11:22:37 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512021316520.11559@darkstar.example.org>,
    Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, ~consul wrote:

    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    Maybe her mother packed a little sewing kit, the kind you can get for
    travel, so there's a needle of Krypton origin. On earth, that would have
    the same strength relative to her under the yellow sun of earth, so she
    could pierce her own ears.

    Years ago someone told me "take an ice cube, put it behind the ear, and
    then put the needle through the other side". I didn't have the nerve to
    do it, but after five holes with the ear piercing guns, I did take a
    plastic bottle cap, put it under my ear, and stick a needle through the
    other side. That one healed faster than the other five, because I put a
    gold hoop in the hole, an so the ear wasn't pinched by the stud.

    So Supergirl could pierce her own ears if she had the Krypton needle.
    Maybe she also has a pierced belly button, though I get the feeling those
    ar falling out of fashion.

    Michael

    The biggest argument against this otherwise plausible theory is that
    she'd never felt pain at all in her entire life before the series began.
    I can't imagine that self ear piercing (I don't think a human could
    help) isn't exquisitely painful.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Wed Dec 2 12:39:08 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <anim8rfsk-415E0D.21150430112015@news.easynews.com>,
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    So the President is a woman - pro Hillary message? But the President
    ... is also evil or incompetent. So I don't know WHAT that message is.

    That it's still a pro-Hillary message. ;-)

    That side view of Benoist when she's blue visioning the Red Tornado ...
    dear God, she unhinged her jaw? She could swallow a rat on V whole!

    Yeah, I wondered if that was a special effect. Otherwise, those "leaked" pictures of Benoist didn't feature her main talent.

    Excellent casting on Cat's mom. Terrible casting on General Lane -
    it's that guy from the life insurance commercials who can't act at
    all.

    It's Secret Service agent extraordinaire Aaron Pierce from 24!

    Oh, Montecito is a two hour drive away? This week National City was
    more obviously than ever supposed to be Los Angeles, and that's just
    right for drive time to Montecito.

    Only if everyone else magically stays off the road and you peg the
    needle at about 80.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Dec 2 12:43:10 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <vbeq5b50e5v3a4838o4rlt6unkeun294v9@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

    Which makes Kara a murderer of sorts since it would be a human
    consciousness in a robot body. Not that she wasn't defending herself
    but she still 'killed' the supposedly sentient Red Tornado.

    If you accept the fact that she was defending herself (or others), then
    it's not murder of *any* kind, by definition.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to consul@dolphinsPLEASEdelAWAY-cove.D on Wed Dec 2 08:48:34 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n3n16q$iop$2@dont-email.me>,
    ~consul <consul@dolphinsPLEASEdelAWAY-cove.DELcom> wrote:

    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    Nope, clearly pierced.

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.

    Dye darkens, it doesn't lighten. Blonde Kara could possibly darken her
    hair to be brunette Kira, but she couldn't possibly bleach it to lighten
    it.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 4 20:29:21 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
    of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with
    Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most significant and lasting contribution.

    I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
    even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as friends.

    --
    www.woutervalentijn.net 7^2

    liam=mail

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to liam@valentijn.nu on Fri Dec 4 14:56:36 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling
    of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with
    Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most significant and lasting contribution.

    I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
    even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as friends.


    BTW the idea of Lex Luthor being an evil corporate mogul appears to
    have originated not with Byrne but with Marv Wolfman, who co-wrote the
    Man of Steel miniseries that relaunched the Superman titles in 1985.

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  • From Bill Steele@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Fri Dec 4 17:46:07 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 12/4/15 2:56 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they
    called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most
    significant and lasting contribution.

    I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
    Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
    even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as friends.


    It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
    to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
    been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.

    BTW the idea of Lex Luthor being an evil corporate mogul appears to
    have originated not with Byrne but with Marv Wolfman, who co-wrote the
    Man of Steel miniseries that relaunched the Superman titles in 1985.


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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 2 13:40:34 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512021316520.11559@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, ~consul wrote:

    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    Maybe her mother packed a little sewing kit, the kind you can get for
    travel, so there's a needle of Krypton origin. On earth, that would have
    the same strength relative to her under the yellow sun of earth, so she
    could pierce her own ears.

    Years ago someone told me "take an ice cube, put it behind the ear, and
    then put the needle through the other side". I didn't have the nerve to
    do it, but after five holes with the ear piercing guns, I did take a
    plastic bottle cap, put it under my ear, and stick a needle through the
    other side. That one healed faster than the other five, because I put a
    gold hoop in the hole, an so the ear wasn't pinched by the stud.

    So Supergirl could pierce her own ears if she had the Krypton needle.
    Maybe she also has a pierced belly button, though I get the feeling those
    ar falling out of fashion.

    Michael

    The biggest argument against this otherwise plausible theory is that
    she'd never felt pain at all in her entire life before the series began.
    I can't imagine that self ear piercing (I don't think a human could
    help) isn't exquisitely painful.

    No, it's just a matter of getting over the squeamishness, which perhaps
    she would fuss over. You just have to be bold, and press that needle in.
    I don't remember pain being part of it, I do remember worrying that it
    would hurt. I was surprised how easily the needle went through the ear,
    once I actually got to that point.

    I gather it's not uncommon to self ear pierce, or at least have one of the friends do it. Anne knew about the ice cube all those years ago, and the general technique was described in a a "Babysiter's Club" book I read
    about 1990.

    Michael

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  • From Wouter Valentijn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 5 08:21:52 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    Op 5-12-2015 om 00:16 schreef Super-Menace:
    In article <zKSdnRDvSdsuiv_LnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Bill
    Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 12/4/15 2:56 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn
    <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they >>>>>> called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most >>>>> significant and lasting contribution.

    I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
    Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And >>>> even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as
    friends.


    It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
    to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
    been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.


    That was back in 1960. I think I've gotten over it.

    So, 'Lex' stems from 1960?


    I think it was Elliott S! Maggin who established a number of secret identities for Luthor in the '70s. One of them was an industrialist.
    Luthor financed his various crime sprees and other projects through
    "him."


    But they never made a big deal out of it I think?


    --
    www.woutervalentijn.net 7^2

    liam=mail

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to liam@valentijn.nu on Sat Dec 5 07:37:11 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <56629093$0$23790$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 5-12-2015 om 00:16 schreef Super-Menace:
    In article <zKSdnRDvSdsuiv_LnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Bill
    Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
    to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
    been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.


    That was back in 1960. I think I've gotten over it.

    So, 'Lex' stems from 1960?


    Yes. See "How Luthor Met Superboy," Adventure Comics #271, April 1960.


    I think it was Elliott S! Maggin who established a number of secret identities for Luthor in the '70s. One of them was an industrialist. Luthor financed his various crime sprees and other projects through
    "him."


    But they never made a big deal out of it I think?


    Perhaps not, but they did get some fun stories out of it.

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  • From Bill Steele@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 7 16:05:08 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
    have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 7 14:08:48 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    On 11/30/2015 11:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:


    Nearly drowning from the bomb (a separate incident in
    a later ep ) can be compared to the other three, but the
    reference whooshed past without our seeing her nearly
    drown, or for that matter conclusively hurt. We know as
    she's powering up, but her seeing the red eyes dominates.
    Fact is, she defeated all of Lord's bomb tests each of the

    The problem is, the bombs we saw go off ... weren't that powerful. One weakened a building, the other blew up a train car. Unless the middle
    one was incredibly more powerful, and why would it be, they've
    established her as not being very tough.


    It WAS incredibly more powerful.. They told us that in dialog. That particular bomb would have taken out 30 city blocks and was Lord's
    version of an "arc reactor". That's an effective blast radius of about
    a mile putting it in the category of a modest-yield atomic bomb. And of
    course there was a reason for it to be hugely more powerful. That was
    the test where Lord hit her as hard as he possibly could just to see
    whether she could be hurt. The other bombs were conventional explosives
    since Lord would want to contain the damage. It was his stuff he was
    bombing after all.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Bill Steele on Mon Dec 7 14:19:03 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/7/2015 2:05 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
    have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Why? Would people be suspicious because she has a name that is already
    being used for girls on Earth?

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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 7 19:58:18 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
    glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
    how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
    and and ...

    I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the photos, it really did happen.

    Michael

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to Michael Black on Mon Dec 7 22:46:16 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512071957380.21555@darkstar.example.org>,
    Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
    how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
    and and ...

    I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the photos, it really did happen.


    I was blond until I turned four, and then I went dark brown. Now it's
    all fifty shades of, uh, gray.

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  • From Super-Menace@21:1/5 to Steele on Fri Dec 4 18:16:20 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.comics.dc.universe

    In article <zKSdnRDvSdsuiv_LnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Bill
    Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 12/4/15 2:56 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <5661e994$0$23821$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Wouter Valentijn <liam@valentijn.nu> wrote:

    Op 2-12-2015 om 02:21 schreef David Johnston:
    On 11/30/2015 12:40 PM, Wouter Valentijn wrote:


    :-(
    Yeah.
    And I did this double take when they published that six part retelling >>>> of his origin by Byrne. I was thinking: They're doing a cross-over with >>>> Marvel? What's Kingpin doing in a Superman comic? Then I noticed they >>>> called him Lex Luthor... :-/



    Lex Luthor as evil corporate mogul works though. Probably Byrne's most >>> significant and lasting contribution.

    I still prefer the mad scientist version. Although I did like Michael
    Rosenbaum's stint as Lex, which was inspired by the Byrne version. And
    even more so by the fact that in the silver age they started out as
    friends.


    It's my Golden Age prejudice, but I prefer the mad scientist too. Hard
    to accept a corporate mogul shooting green rays at Superman. And I've
    been irritated ever since they gave him a first name.


    That was back in 1960. I think I've gotten over it.

    I think it was Elliott S! Maggin who established a number of secret
    identities for Luthor in the '70s. One of them was an industrialist.
    Luthor financed his various crime sprees and other projects through
    "him."

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Mon Dec 7 22:39:47 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n45k76$qnt$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/7/2015 8:46 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512071957380.21555@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I
    have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent >>>> went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
    glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she >>> blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and >>> how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and >>> and and ...

    I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many >> people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the >> photos, it really did happen.


    I was blond until I turned four, and then I went dark brown.

    Yeah but the way Kara's hair changes colour, it's like it's another superpower.

    Exactly. Young Kara seems to have gone from brown to blonde to black.
    And old Kara ...

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    New sig pending

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 8 14:38:44 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.


    Her hair changes colour with her costume change.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Bill Steele on Mon Dec 7 15:21:23 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
    glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she
    blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
    how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
    and and ...

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 8 17:14:16 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-BE86C9.21170930112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc4g28F60mrU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
    Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
    and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
    "good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
    Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
    DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.

    It's not really consistent with HH being a field agent a year
    after he conscripted Pa by threatening to kidnap his daughter
    though.

    Oh, and Alex has worked for HH for 2 years.

    Now that we know HH is dead (I'm still skeptical Pa Danvers is),
    I guess we can assume MM took over about two years ago then.

    This Jemm character is apparently from Saturn and a sometimes
    ally of MM, based on Wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemm

    Maybe this explains how Supergirl can survive the Kryptonians.
    If she has two super-powered allies in MM and Jemm when she
    needs it (and conceivably Superman off-screen, so four of them),
    it makes it a more plausible fight.

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to Bill Steele on Tue Dec 8 17:16:06 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "Bill Steele" wrote in message news:haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

    On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
    Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
    as she floated above her. My first thought was
    that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
    was Kara. We'll see...

    The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
    a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.

    Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
    and there's been constant suspicion over the years.
    It makes Lois look stupid if she's always fooled by
    nothing but the glasses. Since Kara does work for
    Cat on a daily basis, I think Cat looks stupid if she
    hasn't figured it out yet. Smarter Cat is a better way
    to write it I think.

    They'll probably need to have her tell Kara soon if
    she does know though, and have Kara confess. If
    they don't, they'll probably have J'onn J'onzz do the
    shapeshifting thing and have Supergirl and Kara
    together to disprove the suspicion.

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 8 17:17:44 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On rec.arts.sf.tv, "Jack Bohn" wrote in message news:2a8ce352-e2d6-41d8-8d89-51ace29e03ce@googlegroups.com...

    Among the things KalElFan wrote:

    The rumored crossover with Flash / The CW, same thing, but
    these are all stunts.

    Correct me if I'm wrong; I haven't watched a live DC show since
    "Lois & Clark", but "Flash" was launched from "Green Arrow",
    which was launched from "Smallville", wasn't it?

    No, the Arrowverse was the start (new actor).

    Another question: can I just jump into "Flash"? Either starting
    now, or catching the first season?

    There are occasional crossovers and such, but yeah I think they
    can be watched separately. I watch both. Last season I thought
    Flash season 1 was great. This year I think it's also quite good,
    but Arrow has improved more IMO.

    TPTB recently downplayed any Supergirl crossover plans, but
    it'd be easy to do with the multiverse now established via The
    Flash.

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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 8 17:24:14 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.


    Her hair changes colour with her costume change.

    I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
    using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have worked last night.

    I seem to recall a toy that changed hair color when you ran the brush
    through it. But not being a girl at the time, I wasn't paying attention,
    so I'm not sure if it was a pony or a doll

    Michael

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to Super-Menace on Mon Dec 7 20:55:40 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/7/2015 8:46 PM, Super-Menace wrote:
    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512071957380.21555@darkstar.example.org>, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <pu2dnStmXvYUafjLnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> wrote:

    On 11/30/15 2:27 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    I wish they'd done the hair color bit even if they didn't explain it. I >>>>> have no idea how she's bleaching her hair as Kara Danvers

    According to the movies, Kryptonians can change appearance just by
    walking past a tree or diving out a window.

    Another small gripe: What happened to *Linda* Danvers? If Clark Kent
    went around calling himself "Kal" it might end up being a giveaway.

    Yeah, they screwed the pooch on the whole set up. Why is she wearing
    glasses when she never intended to have a secret identity? Why was she
    blonde as a child but a badly blonde streaked brunette as an adult and
    how does she bleach it and why is she dark haired as a kid on Earth and
    and and ...

    I had light brown hair when very small, then it went dark enough that many >> people think it's black hair (but it's really dark brown). I've seen the
    photos, it really did happen.


    I was blond until I turned four, and then I went dark brown.

    Yeah but the way Kara's hair changes colour, it's like it's another
    superpower.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Tue Dec 8 18:38:21 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/8/2015 3:16 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    "Bill Steele" wrote in message news:haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

    On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
    Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
    as she floated above her. My first thought was
    that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
    was Kara. We'll see...

    The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
    a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.

    Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
    and there's been constant suspicion over the years.

    No she didn't. Tempus told her. Of course in Cat's situation she is
    the only person who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl. That's pretty impressive.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Tue Dec 8 18:45:05 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n480hm$5sn$2@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/8/2015 3:16 PM, KalElFan wrote:
    "Bill Steele" wrote in message news:haydncwLFfyaPMHLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

    On 11/24/15 9:02 PM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... When [Cat Grant] had the interview with
    Supergirl, the first thing she said was "it's you"
    as she floated above her. My first thought was
    that Cat knew for sure, at that moment, that it
    was Kara. We'll see...

    The underlying assumption is that her glasses are
    a 100% effective disguise, just like Clark Kent's.

    Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,
    and there's been constant suspicion over the years.

    No she didn't. Tempus told her. Of course in Cat's situation she is
    the only person who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl. That's pretty impressive.

    But she got memory wiped after Tempus told her didn't she? Or did he
    tell her again and it stuck?

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Tue Dec 8 18:46:02 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <dcp390Fbiv0U1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    "anim8rfsk" wrote in message news:anim8rfsk-BE86C9.21170930112015@news.easynews.com...

    In article <dc4g28F60mrU1@mid.individual.net>,
    "KalElFan" <kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

    The ending shows some promise. Apparently Hank and Pa
    Danvers went in search of an extraterrestrial, "Hank" returned
    and Pa apparently didn't. It's consistent with MM being the
    "good" extraterrestrial, they kill or otherwise imprison Evil
    Hank, and MM = Hank now with Pa Danvers overseeing the
    DEO or having some other higher-up role. I'll keep hoping.

    It's not really consistent with HH being a field agent a year
    after he conscripted Pa by threatening to kidnap his daughter
    though.

    Oh, and Alex has worked for HH for 2 years.

    Now that we know HH is dead (I'm still skeptical Pa Danvers is),
    I guess we can assume MM took over about two years ago then.

    The best suggestion I've heard is that HH isn't so much dead as coming
    back as Cyborg.

    This Jemm character is apparently from Saturn and a sometimes
    ally of MM, based on Wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemm

    Maybe this explains how Supergirl can survive the Kryptonians.
    If she has two super-powered allies in MM and Jemm when she
    needs it (and conceivably Superman off-screen, so four of them),
    it makes it a more plausible fight.

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Michael Black on Tue Dec 8 19:00:27 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512081723310.23343@darkstar.example.org>,
    Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.


    Her hair changes colour with her costume change.

    I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
    using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have worked last night.

    I seem to recall a toy that changed hair color when you ran the brush
    through it. But not being a girl at the time, I wasn't paying attention,
    so I'm not sure if it was a pony or a doll

    Michael

    I remember this one with the Exorcist spinning head

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/377739487466605801/

    --
    New sig pending

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 9 06:32:28 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:00:27 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512081723310.23343@darkstar.example.org>,
    Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, anim8rfsk wrote:

    In article <n47igd$gvs$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/2/2015 8:05 AM, ~consul wrote:
    On 12/1/2015 2:06 AM, David Johnston wrote:
    On 11/30/2015 9:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Hey, Supergirl has pierced ears! How did she do that?
    The same mysterious way she makes her hair change colour.

    Clip-ons earrings?

    And while her hair can't be cut, it must still be able to take a dye,
    right? Why not? It's like wearing makeup, there is some minor
    superficial absorption to make it stick.


    Her hair changes colour with her costume change.

    I don't think so. I think it's just because of the style. If she's
    using Kryptonian Magic Hair Change Color Powers then they shouldn't have >> > worked last night.

    I seem to recall a toy that changed hair color when you ran the brush
    through it. But not being a girl at the time, I wasn't paying attention,
    so I'm not sure if it was a pony or a doll

    Michael

    I remember this one with the Exorcist spinning head

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/377739487466605801/

    Hair color changing Barbie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpjkNZkmHxA

    Hair color changing Mermaid Barbie
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN70n9IvoYA

    The first uses some sort of color agent to change the hair color while
    the second uses warm/cold water to change hair color. Another video I
    saw used chalk to change the color.

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  • From KalElFan@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Wed Dec 9 07:04:17 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    "David Johnston" wrote in message news:n480hm$5sn$2@dont-email.me...

    On 12/8/2015 3:16 PM, KalElFan wrote:

    Well, in Lois & Clark for example Lois figured it out,

    No she didn't...

    Yes she did, as revealed in the first episode of season 3:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_%26_Clark:_The_New_Adventures_of_Superman_(season_3)#Episodes

    The first Tempus ep in season 2 didn't stick because HG
    Wells (not Tempus) reset it, and Clark/Superman took
    away a "note to self" that Lois had written.

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl. The problem, again, is that
    Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
    looks stupid for not knowing. Next ep she apparently
    asks Kara "What planet are you from?" so I think it's
    increasingly likely she's just been playing along, even
    toying with Kara.

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  • From David Johnston@21:1/5 to KalElFan on Wed Dec 9 15:17:19 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even
    became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist
    yet.


    The problem, again, is that
    Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
    looks stupid for not knowing. Next ep she apparently
    asks Kara "What planet are you from?" so I think it's
    increasingly likely she's just been playing along, even
    toying with Kara.


    Which would make it the Saturday Night Live skit where everyone knows
    Clark is Superman but they all pretend not to in order to screw with him.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to David Johnston on Wed Dec 9 16:38:39 2015
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.dc.universe, rec.arts.sf.tv, rec.arts.tv

    In article <n4a94r$2kk$1@dont-email.me>,
    David Johnston <David@block.net> wrote:

    On 12/9/2015 5:04 AM, KalElFan wrote:

    ... Of course in Cat's situation she is the only person
    who personally knows Kara and doesn't know she's
    Supergirl.

    There must be hundreds, at least, who have personally
    known Kara over the years to at least some extent but
    don't know she's Supergirl.

    Must there? In any case people who knew her in the past before she even became Supergirl don't count. One can't know a secret that didn't exist
    yet.

    I'd bet I can count the number of people on Earth we've seen young Kara interact with on one hand, and every one of them knew. Clark, Ma & Pa,
    Sister ... hey, that's it, isn't it? She hid upstairs when the
    goodstepping DOE guys were there. I'd bet she was home schooled, and
    never saw a doctor - how could she? We have no idea if she ever went to college. She must have a driver's license ... and that's about the
    extent of her past life we know of.

    Oh, and did you note that even de-powered, she doesn't appear as Kara
    Danvers in the DOE, only as Supergirl? I think they're telling us that
    the rank and file there don't know either.


    The problem, again, is that
    Cat's probably the closest to her right now and so she
    looks stupid for not knowing. Next ep she apparently
    asks Kara "What planet are you from?" so I think it's
    increasingly likely she's just been playing along, even
    toying with Kara.


    Which would make it the Saturday Night Live skit where everyone knows
    Clark is Superman but they all pretend not to in order to screw with him.

    --
    New sig pending

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