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  • Criticism of Anti-Defamation League

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 26 15:21:24 2024
    In compiling reports that demonstrate that anti-Semitism has been
    increasing throughout American society, Anti-Defamation League changed
    its methodology for statistical reporting. Expressions of support for
    Hamas have been counted in hate crime data as anti-Semitism since
    October 7, 2023.

    I don't follow these reports and I don't know how hateful speech is
    being linked to vandalism, arson, violence, or even terrorism and if
    they are counting speech incidents alone without a criminal act.

    Note to moviePig: Speech without the criminal acts I named or without a
    threat is... speech. The 14th and 1/2 Amendment be damned.

    ADL has been criticized by extremism researchers for changing their
    methodoly. Nevertheless, the researcher interviewed had also found,
    using older methods, that anti-Semitism increased. ADL wasn't wrong.

    Let's think about this for a moment. Is there a way to support Hamas in
    a way that isn't an expression of hatred, that isn't supporting
    terrorism, that isn't supporting their extreme religious views that led
    them to create a situation in which 10s of thousands of their own people
    would get slaughtered by the enemy?

    If it weren't Hamas doing it, the whold rest of the world would have
    condemned the use of human shields as a war crime. Instead, the killing
    of human shields as collateral damage in military operations has been
    labeled as Jews committing war crimes and genocide.

    Unpacking the truth of antisemitism on college campuses
    April 25, 20245:57 PM ET
    Heard on All Things Considered https://www.npr.org/2024/04/25/1247253244/unpacking-the-truth-of-antisemitism-on-college-campuses
    By Odette Yousef, Lisa Hagen
    NPR

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Fri Apr 26 12:12:07 2024
    On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:21:24 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    In compiling reports that demonstrate that anti-Semitism has been
    increasing throughout American society, Anti-Defamation League changed
    its methodology for statistical reporting. Expressions of support for
    Hamas have been counted in hate crime data as anti-Semitism since
    October 7, 2023.

    Do they at least break out the individual types of acts so you can see
    how many reports of hateful speech are included.

    I don't follow these reports and I don't know how hateful speech is
    being linked to vandalism, arson, violence, or even terrorism and if
    they are counting speech incidents alone without a criminal act.

    Note to moviePig: Speech without the criminal acts I named or without a >threat is... speech. The 14th and 1/2 Amendment be damned.

    No,no. Any speech that I don't like is clearly a criminal act. It
    shows the potential for a threat and therefore must be treated as a
    threat. Free speech is dead. Unless it is by me or those I approve of.


    ADL has been criticized by extremism researchers for changing their >methodoly. Nevertheless, the researcher interviewed had also found,
    using older methods, that anti-Semitism increased. ADL wasn't wrong.

    Of course it has increased. That said you shouldn't murky the waters
    by changing the methodology in such an obvious ploy to increase the
    reported numbers of anti-Semitism. People who see that ploy will
    discount everything they say.

    Let's think about this for a moment. Is there a way to support Hamas in
    a way that isn't an expression of hatred, that isn't supporting
    terrorism, that isn't supporting their extreme religious views that led
    them to create a situation in which 10s of thousands of their own people >would get slaughtered by the enemy?

    If it weren't Hamas doing it, the whold rest of the world would have >condemned the use of human shields as a war crime. Instead, the killing
    of human shields as collateral damage in military operations has been
    labeled as Jews committing war crimes and genocide.

    Unpacking the truth of antisemitism on college campuses
    April 25, 20245:57 PM ET
    Heard on All Things Considered >https://www.npr.org/2024/04/25/1247253244/unpacking-the-truth-of-antisemitism-on-college-campuses
    By Odette Yousef, Lisa Hagen
    NPR

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Fri Apr 26 17:13:05 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

    In compiling reports that demonstrate that anti-Semitism has been >>increasing throughout American society, Anti-Defamation League changed
    its methodology for statistical reporting. Expressions of support for
    Hamas have been counted in hate crime data as anti-Semitism since
    October 7, 2023.

    Do they at least break out the individual types of acts so you can see
    how many reports of hateful speech are included.

    I haven't read them.

    I don't follow these reports and I don't know how hateful speech is
    being linked to vandalism, arson, violence, or even terrorism and if
    they are counting speech incidents alone without a criminal act.

    Note to moviePig: Speech without the criminal acts I named or without a >>threat is... speech. The 14th and 1/2 Amendment be damned.

    No,no. Any speech that I don't like is clearly a criminal act. It
    shows the potential for a threat and therefore must be treated as a
    threat. Free speech is dead. Unless it is by me or those I approve of.

    ADL has been criticized by extremism researchers for changing their >>methodoly. Nevertheless, the researcher interviewed had also found,
    using older methods, that anti-Semitism increased. ADL wasn't wrong.

    Of course it has increased. That said you shouldn't murky the waters
    by changing the methodology in such an obvious ploy to increase the
    reported numbers of anti-Semitism. People who see that ploy will
    discount everything they say.

    To defend ADL, who would have thought of measuring pro-Hamas speech in
    America before October 7?

    Let's think about this for a moment. Is there a way to support Hamas in
    a way that isn't an expression of hatred, that isn't supporting
    terrorism, that isn't supporting their extreme religious views that led >>them to create a situation in which 10s of thousands of their own people >>would get slaughtered by the enemy?

    If it weren't Hamas doing it, the whold rest of the world would have >>condemned the use of human shields as a war crime. Instead, the killing
    of human shields as collateral damage in military operations has been >>labeled as Jews committing war crimes and genocide.

    Unpacking the truth of antisemitism on college campuses
    April 25, 20245:57 PM ET
    Heard on All Things Considered >>https://www.npr.org/2024/04/25/1247253244/unpacking-the-truth-of-antisemitism-on-college-campuses
    By Odette Yousef, Lisa Hagen
    NPR

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Fri Apr 26 14:18:11 2024
    On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:13:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    To defend ADL, who would have thought of measuring pro-Hamas speech in >America before October 7?

    Well that's the $ 64,000 question isn't it.

    Thank you VERY much ****ing Claudine Gay.

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