Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit.
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with
pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle officers. This makes no sense. Clearly, police identified the vehicle
and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state
concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to
see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been
found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not
threatening anyone.
Apr 9, 2024 at 9:22:22 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates >>police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from >>provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the >>forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit.
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of >>powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with >>pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle >>officers. This makes no sense. Clearly, police identified the vehicle
and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state
concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to >>see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been
found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not >>threatening anyone.
What distinguishes a major picnic from a regular run-of-the-mill picnic?
On Apr 9, 2024 at 9:22:22 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates
police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the
forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit.
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with
pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle
officers. This makes no sense. Clearly, police identified the vehicle
and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state
concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to
see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been
found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not
threatening anyone.
What distinguishes a major picnic from a regular run-of-the-mill picnic?
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit.
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with
pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle officers. This makes no sense.
and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state
concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to
see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been
found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not
threatening anyone.
He also had a retail theft charge but that was dropped, implying there
was no gun use.
I don't know what orders police had already given the driver that we can't tell from this one video, but he was ordered to roll down his window,
which he did but he rolled it back up again part way. He was also ordered
to roll down a rear window, which we don't see. He was also ordered to
unlock the doors and open them, which he did not do. Then we hear gunshots, lots of gunshots.
It seems to me that they were already proceeding to take him into
custody before we see this video's footage. If it were an ordinary
traffic stop, you hand over required ID and proof of insurance as
ordered by the officer, but the purpose of rolling down the window is to allow the officer to visually search, and that gets into the rules of reasonable suspicion and probable cause. The driver has civil rights
against warrantless search to assert.
The traffic stop was for a seat belt violation?
https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/03/21/police-officer-shot-person-critically-wounded-in-humboldt-park/
https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/04/09/police-shot-at-dexter-reed-96-times-in-41-seconds-during-deadly-shootout-watchdog-graphic-video/
https://vimeo.com/930385500
https://vimeo.com/930385577
Video from neighbor with audio
https://vimeo.com/931083833
The videos have links to other related videos. I haven't gone through
them all.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates
police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the
forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit.
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with
pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle
officers. This makes no sense.
And yet it happens.
Way back when I was in high school people thought it was funny to peel the >little update tag off other peoples license plates. I was on my way home
from school and some cop noticed the missing tag. He not only pulled me
over he called in and I found myself surrounded by three police cars and
six policeman. Who have collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin a block
from his parents house.
Now I knew about the tag but back in those days the only place you could
get a replacement tag was halfway to where BTR lives and it was only open >during banking hours on weekdays. So I had to write for a replacement tag
or skip a day of school. I had a copy of the request for the replacement
tag in my glove box, and in fact it had been processed and the tag was on
the way.
So now I have an embarrassed and very angry police Sergeant on my hands and >five Junior cops snickering at him.
He orders me to skip school and drive across town illegally since I don’t >have tags and try to get a tag from DMV which they aren’t going to do >because they’ve already mailed me my tag.
Phoenix police can be real assholes. It’s one of the reasons I moved to >Scottsdale.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates >>> police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the
forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit. >>>
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with >>> pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle >>> officers. This makes no sense. Clearly, police identified the vehicle
and, because he had pending gun charges (no state ID and no state
concealed carry permit), I'm guessing they wanted to perform a search to >>> see if he was still carrying. Among the gun charges from having been
found with a gun at a major picnic was "unlawful use" despite not
threatening anyone.
What distinguishes a major picnic from a regular run-of-the-mill picnic?
Generally, it's the number of ants
I found myself surrounded by three police cars and six policeman. Who have >collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:05:24 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates >>> police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the
forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit. >>>
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with >>> pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle >>> officers. This makes no sense.
And yet it happens.
Way back when I was in high school people thought it was funny to peel the >> little update tag off other peoples license plates. I was on my way home
from school and some cop noticed the missing tag. He not only pulled me
over he called in and I found myself surrounded by three police cars and
six policeman. Who have collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin a block
from his parents house.
Now I knew about the tag but back in those days the only place you could
get a replacement tag was halfway to where BTR lives and it was only open
during banking hours on weekdays. So I had to write for a replacement tag
or skip a day of school. I had a copy of the request for the replacement
tag in my glove box, and in fact it had been processed and the tag was on
the way.
Sounds like what happened to a friend of mine back in college. He was
driving home when he found himself pulled over with multiple cops with
guns pulled out and pointed at him in the car because his car matched
one used in a bank robbery. On the hand I got stopped heading home
from college by a state trooper so I got out of the car and waited
against the back of the car while he did what ever in the car. When he
got out he asked for my ID and talked to me for a minute explaining
why he stopped me (a similar car was involved in some crime) and took
a minute to mention I had a tail light that wasn't fully working (a
bulb had gone out) and then sent me on my way.
So now I have an embarrassed and very angry police Sergeant on my hands and >> five Junior cops snickering at him.
He orders me to skip school and drive across town illegally since I don’t >> have tags and try to get a tag from DMV which they aren’t going to do
because they’ve already mailed me my tag.
Imagine if you had been stopped by another cop while doing that.
Phoenix police can be real assholes. It’s one of the reasons I moved to
Scottsdale.
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
I found myself surrounded by three police cars and six policeman. Who have >> collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin
That sounds totally justified for that car.
--
Let's go Brandon!
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:05:24 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates >> police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side
of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the
forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit. >>
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of
powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with >> pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle >> officers. This makes no sense.
And yet it happens.
Way back when I was in high school people thought it was funny to peel the >little update tag off other peoples license plates. I was on my way home >from school and some cop noticed the missing tag. He not only pulled me >over he called in and I found myself surrounded by three police cars and >six policeman. Who have collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin a block >from his parents house.
Now I knew about the tag but back in those days the only place you could >get a replacement tag was halfway to where BTR lives and it was only open >during banking hours on weekdays. So I had to write for a replacement tag >or skip a day of school. I had a copy of the request for the replacement >tag in my glove box, and in fact it had been processed and the tag was on >the way.
Sounds like what happened to a friend of mine back in college. He was
driving home when he found himself pulled over with multiple cops with
guns pulled out and pointed at him in the car because his car matched
one used in a bank robbery.
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
I found myself surrounded by three police cars and six policeman. Who have >collared a teenage kid in a 71 Gremlin
That sounds totally justified for that car.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
I found myself surrounded by three police cars and six policeman. Who have >>>collared a teenage kid in a 71 Gremlin
That sounds totally justified for that car.
I agree!
In article <5nid1jpaeq3nj77dq7dopphbdjc2ibjhpn@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:05:24 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Civilian Office of Police Accountability (a city agency that investigates >>>> police) just released video of a shooting on March 21 on the west side >>>> of Chicago. The driver of a vehicle pulled over for a traffic stop,
a 26 year old man, is dead. Police say he shot first (not clear from
provided video); four officers fired. One police officer was hit in the >>>> forearm. There is video from a neighbor's surveillance camera that
implies that the officer, on the passenger side of the vehicle, was hit. >>>>
The office recommends relieving police officers who shot at the man of >>>> powers during the investigation. I think that means full suspension with >>>> pay, not just desk duty.
Now, for a traffic stop, the vehicle was surrounded by multiple tacticle >>>> officers. This makes no sense.
And yet it happens.
Way back when I was in high school people thought it was funny to peel the >>> little update tag off other peoples license plates. I was on my way home >>> from school and some cop noticed the missing tag. He not only pulled me
over he called in and I found myself surrounded by three police cars and >>> six policeman. Who have collared a teenage kid in a 71 gremlin a block
from his parents house.
Now I knew about the tag but back in those days the only place you could >>> get a replacement tag was halfway to where BTR lives and it was only open >>> during banking hours on weekdays. So I had to write for a replacement tag >>> or skip a day of school. I had a copy of the request for the replacement >>> tag in my glove box, and in fact it had been processed and the tag was on >>> the way.
Sounds like what happened to a friend of mine back in college. He was
driving home when he found himself pulled over with multiple cops with
guns pulled out and pointed at him in the car because his car matched
one used in a bank robbery.
Same happened to me in Maryland as me and three other agents were on our
way back to the office from lunch. We found ourselves surrounded at an intersection by cop cars on all sides, cops piling out and pointing guns
at us. There'd been a bank robbery a few miles away minutes before and
the thieves shot someone as they fled in a red Dodge Charger. I was
driving a red Dodge Charger.
The cops were screaming at me to shut off the car and get out and I knew
the last thing I wanted to do was get out of the car in front of all
these adrenaline-hyped guys who are pointing guns at me with my own gun
on my waist. Yes, there was a badge right next to it but why risk your
life on betting they don't have tunnel vision? So I turned off the car
and then activated all the police lights on my car--front windshield,
grill, both side windows, and rear, burped the siren a few times, and
then turned on my radio's PA and blasted out for them
"There are four armed federal agents in this vehicle. Run the tags and
you can verify the agency it is registered to. We'll wait with our hands visible while you confirm. We do not want to emerge from this car with
our duty pistols on our persons with 20 cops pointing guns at us."
Thirty seconds goes by and all the cops lower their guns and we get out
and resolve the issue.
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