https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her family's >dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter >weekend. . . .
. . . He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle. . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her family's dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on Instagram on Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person after he dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot & killed our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN shot our dog. Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed self-defense. He did not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my daughters and myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, I did." We are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our beloved boy and family member."
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident. We have no
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was immediately suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct contact with the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their investigation."
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to TMZ, law enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he shot the dog in self-defense.
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the residence to
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog attacked him while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a single gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was present at the residence but did not attack."
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also involved in the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no charges had been filed against the driver at this time.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other individuals in response to the shooting.
He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle.
On 2024-04-02 04:54:01 +0000, BTR1701 said:
He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle.
I guess we're supposed to glean from this that any transgender person
who shoots a dog couldn't be doing it in self-defense.
F--- dogs, especially aggressive ones and their masters who don't care
enough to train them, and the horse they rode in on.
I will say Angie was always pretty hot though, at least in her prime years.
I will say Angie was always pretty hot though, at least in her prime years.
These women can still be quite fetching. I saw Jill Hennessy (CROSSING >JORDAN) a few weeks back when I watched MADAME WEB and she still looks
quite good as you can see in the bedroom scene (no nudity).
In <n17o0jp8b2o51jliav3gkbc5adggk2aio8@4ax.com> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:
[snip]
I will say Angie was always pretty hot though, at least in her prime years.
These women can still be quite fetching. I saw Jill Hennessy (CROSSING >>JORDAN) a few weeks back when I watched MADAME WEB and she still looks >>quite good as you can see in the bedroom scene (no nudity).
So _you're_ the other person who saw Madame Web.
I sympathize with you....
On 2024-04-02 04:54:01 +0000, BTR1701 said:
He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle.
I guess we're supposed to glean from this that any transgender person
who shoots a dog couldn't be doing it in self-defense.
F--- dogs, especially aggressive ones and their masters who don't care
enough to train them, and the horse they rode in on.
I will say Angie was always pretty hot though, at least in her prime years.
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-02 04:54:01 +0000, BTR1701 said:
He was shopping under a woman's identity named Merle.
I guess we're supposed to glean from this that any transgender person
who shoots a dog couldn't be doing it in self-defense.
Fuck you, you asshole. He wasn't an InstaCart gig worker. She was. Merle
was an actual woman, from reading that sentence without being an
asshole. The sentence was about a guy working as a gig worker under a
woman's identity.
F--- dogs, especially aggressive ones and their masters who don't care >>enough to train them, and the horse they rode in on.
If it were self defense, why was there no evidence that the dog attacked
him? It didn't say why the dog was loose.
I will say Angie was always pretty hot though, at least in her prime years.
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her family'sdogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on Instagram on Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person after he dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot & killedour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to DailyMail.com:tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was immediately suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct contact with
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident. We have no
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to TMZ, lawenforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he shot
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the residence todeliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog attacked him while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also involved inthe response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no charges
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other individualsin response to the shooting.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter >weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on Instagram on >Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person after he >dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her family's
dog.
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot & killed >our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the >deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN shot our
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he >wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was shopping >under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my daughters and >myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our beloved >boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was immediately >suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct contact with >the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >investigation."
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident. We have no
the
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to TMZ, law >enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he shot
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog attacked him >while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the residence to
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was present at >the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the front of >the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen all the >time?
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the front door. I >thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to see that >her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your life >happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and steals >their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals should be >pets and it’s just a small fine.
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter >>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her
family's
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot &
killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN shot our >>> dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, I
did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our
beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident.
We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to
TMZ, law
shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the
residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also
involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other
individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the
front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen
all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the front
door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to see
that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your life >>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and
steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals should be >>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense, he's
going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero >provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the Easter >>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of her >>>>> family's
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the >>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN shot our >>>> dog.
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot & >>>>> killed
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he >>>> wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, I
did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our
beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident.
We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to
TMZ, law
shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the
residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a >>>> single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also
involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other
individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the
front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen
all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the frontI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to see >>>> that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your life >>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell video >>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this campaign? >>>>
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and
steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals should be >>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense, he's
going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, he's
charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of
her family's
Easter
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the >>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN shot
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot
& killed
our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he >>>> wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, I
did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our
beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this incident.
We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed he
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to
TMZ, law
shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the
residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a >>>> single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also
involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other
individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the
front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen
all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the frontI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to
see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your
life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell video >>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this campaign? >>>>
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and
steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals should be >>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense, he's
going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of
her family's
Easter
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the >>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot >>>>>> & killed
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he >>>>> wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah,
I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our
beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to
TMZ, law
he shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the
residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a >>>>> single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also
involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other
individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the
front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen >>>>> all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the frontI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to
see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device >>>> unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your
life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell
video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and >>>>> steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
You're confused. Try "not enough provocation." A dog growling isn't reason to execute it.
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of
her family's
Easter
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of the >>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart shot >>>>>> & killed
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then knew he >>>>> wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah,
I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of our
beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to
TMZ, law
he shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the
residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by firing a >>>>> single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also
involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other
individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the
front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen >>>>> all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the frontI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to
see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device >>>> unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in your
life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell
video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes and >>>>> steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of >>>>>>> her family's
Easter
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCartour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of >>>>>> the
shot & killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then
knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, >>>>>> I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of
our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to >>>>>>> TMZ, law
he shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the >>>>>>> residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by
firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also >>>>>>> involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other >>>>>>> individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the >>>>>> front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen >>>>>> all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to >>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at theI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to >>>>>> see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device >>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in
your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell
video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes
and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to >>>>> happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
You're confused. Try "not enough provocation." A dog growling isn't
reason to execute it.
"Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the >>>>>>> Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of >>>>>>>> her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person >>>>>>> after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCartour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos
shot & killed
of the
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then
knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was >>>>>>> shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog.
Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of
our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed >>>>>>> he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to >>>>>>>> TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at
the residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by
firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was >>>>>>> present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no >>>>>>> charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was
also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any
other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to
the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get
stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see >>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to >>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the
front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to >>>>>>> see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it >>>>>>> knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that >>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring
device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in
your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell >>>>>>> video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes >>>>>>> and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to >>>>>> happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
No, I fail the voir dire. But in this instance it's the word of the
victim and only witness against the owners' speculative "certainty".
The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason for shooting in the first place.
You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly? Do you live under a rock?
On 4/4/2024 8:28 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:I have the feeling the dog was walking up to the InstaCart person
On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the >>>>>>> Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of >>>>>>>> her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person >>>>>>> after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCartour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos
shot & killed
of the
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then
knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was >>>>>>> shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog.
Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of
our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed >>>>>>> he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to >>>>>>>> TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at
the residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by
firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was >>>>>>> present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no >>>>>>> charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was
also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any
other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to
the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get
stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see >>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to >>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the
front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to >>>>>>> see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it >>>>>>> knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that >>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring
device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in
your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell >>>>>>> video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes >>>>>>> and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to >>>>>> happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
You're confused. Try "not enough provocation." A dog growling isn't
reason to execute it.
"Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
looking for a scritch or petting.
On 4/4/2024 9:09 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 4/4/2024 8:28 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:I have the feeling the dog was walking up to the InstaCart person
On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the >>>>>>>> Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of >>>>>>>>> her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person >>>>>>>> after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart >>>>>>>>> shot & killedour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos >>>>>>>> of the
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN >>>>>>>> shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then >>>>>>>> knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was >>>>>>>> shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog.
Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of >>>>>>>> our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was >>>>>>>> immediately
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct >>>>>>>> contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >>>>>>>> investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed >>>>>>>> he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to >>>>>>>>> TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at >>>>>>>>> the residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by
firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was >>>>>>>> present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no >>>>>>>> charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was >>>>>>>>> also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any
other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to >>>>>>>> the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get
stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see >>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to >>>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the
front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to >>>>>>>> see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it >>>>>>>> knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that >>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring
device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in >>>>>>>> your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell >>>>>>>> video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes >>>>>>>> and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals >>>>>>>> should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to >>>>>>> happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense, >>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, >>>>>> he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero >>>>> provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
You're confused. Try "not enough provocation." A dog growling isn't >>>> reason to execute it.
"Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
looking for a scritch or petting.
Frankly, I do too. Otoh, my personal bias is that any grownup should be >willing to endure some minor mauling rather than to open fire.
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most dogs
are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by
but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the
dog wants to take a nip.
That said I can't imagine why the guy is running around with a gun. If
he's just worried about pets attacking him a gun is massive overkill
when something like pepper spray would do the job and not cause
permanent harm or death.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail.
They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show
leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach the dog
in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above trying to
pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let you but
do it from below eye level on his chest.
Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths,
like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not
trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite dangerous.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most dogs
are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by
but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the
dog wants to take a nip.
Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
That said I can't imagine why the guy is running around with a gun. If
he's just worried about pets attacking him a gun is massive overkill
when something like pepper spray would do the job and not cause
permanent harm or death.
On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of >>>>>>> her family's
Easter
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on
Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person
after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCartour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos of >>>>>> the
shot & killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN
shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then
knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was
shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my
daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. Yeah, >>>>>> I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of
our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to
DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
immediately
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct
contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to >>>>>>> TMZ, law
he shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at the >>>>>>> residence to
attacked him
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by
firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was
present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no
They added that the department's Animal Control division was also >>>>>>> involved in
charges
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any other >>>>>>> individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to the >>>>>> front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get stolen >>>>>> all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to >>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at theI assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to >>>>>> see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it knew. >>>>>
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring device >>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in
your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell
video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this
campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart, >>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes
and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals
should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to >>>>> happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense,
he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything,
he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero
provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
You're confused. Try "not enough provocation." A dog growling isn't
reason to execute it.
"Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
On 4/4/2024 10:29 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail.
They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show >>leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach the dog
in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above trying to
pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let you but
do it from below eye level on his chest.
Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths,
like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not >>trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite dangerous.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most dogs >>>are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by >>>but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to >>>always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the >>>dog wants to take a nip.
Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
Generally you want to put your hand out, back of the hand towards the
dog so it can smell you and let it come to you if it wants to be
friendly. Don't make a fist, dogs are smart enough to recognize that as >being aggressive.
. . .
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2024 10:29 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail.
They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show
leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach the dog >>> in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above trying to
pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let you but >>> do it from below eye level on his chest.
Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths,
like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not
trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite dangerous.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most dogs >>>> are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by >>>> but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the >>>> dog wants to take a nip.
Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
Generally you want to put your hand out, back of the hand towards the
dog so it can smell you and let it come to you if it wants to be
friendly. Don't make a fist, dogs are smart enough to recognize that as
being aggressive.
Yes.
Barbara Woodhouse was against letting the dog sniff the back of the hand approaching from the front, as that's not enough for the dog not to
perceive a threat. She recommended approaching from the side as the dog
can get a better look at you. As their eyes are on either side of their snouts, they never look straight ahead with both eyes, something people
fail to understand.
. . .
On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over >>>>>>>>> the Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one >>>>>>>>>> of her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on >>>>>>>>> Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery
person after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart >>>>>>>>>> shot & killedour precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos >>>>>>>>> of the
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN >>>>>>>>> shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then >>>>>>>>> knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed
self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He >>>>>>>>> was shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my >>>>>>>>> daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. >>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of >>>>>>>>> our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was >>>>>>>>> immediately
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to >>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this
incident. We have no
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct >>>>>>>>> contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >>>>>>>>> investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department >>>>>>>>>> to TMZ, law
claimed he shot
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog >>>>>>>>> attacked him
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at >>>>>>>>>> the residence to
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by >>>>>>>>> firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog >>>>>>>>> was present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that >>>>>>>>> no charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was >>>>>>>>>> also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any >>>>>>>>>> other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions. >>>>>>>>>
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to >>>>>>>>> the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get >>>>>>>>> stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see >>>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is
locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the >>>>>>>>> front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside >>>>>>>>> to see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it >>>>>>>>> knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that >>>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring >>>>>>>> device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in >>>>>>>>> your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring
doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this >>>>>>>>> campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on
Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes >>>>>>>>> and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals >>>>>>>>> should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect
anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self defense, >>>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if
anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he
has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with
zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either. >>>>>
No, I fail the voir dire. But in this instance it's the word of the
victim and only witness against the owners' speculative "certainty".
The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason
for shooting in the first place.
You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly? Do you
live under a rock?
I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
What provocation justifies killing an animal? Because unless there was
some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home.
You condone abusing animals that haven't done anything to warrant it?
On 4/5/2024 2:05 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2024 10:29 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail.
They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show
leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach the
dog
in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above trying to >>>> pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let you
but
do it from below eye level on his chest.
Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths,
like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not
trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite dangerous.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most
dogs
are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like >>>>> they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by >>>>> but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the >>>>> dog wants to take a nip.
Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
Generally you want to put your hand out, back of the hand towards the
dog so it can smell you and let it come to you if it wants to be
friendly. Don't make a fist, dogs are smart enough to recognize that as >>> being aggressive.
Yes.
Barbara Woodhouse was against letting the dog sniff the back of the hand
approaching from the front, as that's not enough for the dog not to
perceive a threat. She recommended approaching from the side as the dog
can get a better look at you. As their eyes are on either side of their
snouts, they never look straight ahead with both eyes, something people
fail to understand.
. . .
If they don't look straight ahead with both eyes, then they don't see parallax 3D ...which I'm not prepared to accept, particularly since my
dog watches me intently with both eyes, face-on.
On 4/5/24 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/5/2024 9:37 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over >>>>>>>>>>> the Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that >>>>>>>>>>>> one of her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on >>>>>>>>>>> Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery >>>>>>>>>>> person after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North
Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet >>>>>>>>>>> photos of the
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for
InstaCart shot & killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & >>>>>>>>>>> THEN shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & >>>>>>>>>>> then knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed >>>>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He >>>>>>>>>>> was shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my >>>>>>>>>>> daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss >>>>>>>>>>> of our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account >>>>>>>>>>> was immediately
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to >>>>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this >>>>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in
direct contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >>>>>>>>>>> investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver >>>>>>>>>>> claimed he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police
Department to TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog >>>>>>>>>>> attacked him
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived >>>>>>>>>>>> at the residence to
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by >>>>>>>>>>> firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog >>>>>>>>>>> was present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed >>>>>>>>>>> that no charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division was >>>>>>>>>>>> also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any >>>>>>>>>>>> other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions. >>>>>>>>>>>
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up >>>>>>>>>>> to the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get >>>>>>>>>>> stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I >>>>>>>>>> see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power >>>>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is >>>>>>>>>> locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the >>>>>>>>>>> front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come >>>>>>>>>>> inside to see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how
he/she/it knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside >>>>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw >>>>>>>>>> that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a >>>>>>>>>> Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment >>>>>>>>>>> in your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring >>>>>>>>>>> doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this >>>>>>>>>>> campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on >>>>>>>>>>> Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples >>>>>>>>>>> homes and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals >>>>>>>>>>> should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect
anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self
defense, he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if
anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he >>>>>>>>> has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with >>>>>>>> zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either. >>>>>>>
No, I fail the voir dire. But in this instance it's the word of
the victim and only witness against the owners' speculative
"certainty".
The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason
for shooting in the first place.
You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly? Do you
live under a rock?
I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
What provocation justifies killing an animal? Because unless there
was some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home.
You condone abusing animals that haven't done anything to warrant it?
In this instance, it seems to be a question of evidence, and there's
only the victim's. It'd take a helluva lot of testimony about past
behavior -- probably about both victim and dog -- to outweigh that.
Not how things work, pig. The guy who put the bullet in the dog has to account for his actions, not the other way around.
The burden isn't on the victim.
You run down an old man in his back yard, you'd better have a pretty
good excuse.
On 4/9/2024 9:17 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/5/24 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/5/2024 9:37 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person >>>>>>>>>>>> over the Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that >>>>>>>>>>>>> one of her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on >>>>>>>>>>>> Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery >>>>>>>>>>>> person after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North >>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet >>>>>>>>>>>> photos of the
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for
InstaCart shot & killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & >>>>>>>>>>>> THEN shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & >>>>>>>>>>>> then knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed >>>>>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. >>>>>>>>>>>> He was shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with >>>>>>>>>>>> my daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss >>>>>>>>>>>> of our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account >>>>>>>>>>>> was immediately
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to >>>>>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this >>>>>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in >>>>>>>>>>>> direct contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >>>>>>>>>>>> investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver >>>>>>>>>>>> claimed he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police
Department to TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a >>>>>>>>>>>> dog attacked him
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the residence to
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself >>>>>>>>>>>> by firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog >>>>>>>>>>>> was present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed >>>>>>>>>>>> that no charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division >>>>>>>>>>>>> was also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out any >>>>>>>>>>>>> other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up >>>>>>>>>>>> to the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get >>>>>>>>>>>> stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that >>>>>>>>>>> I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power >>>>>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is >>>>>>>>>>> locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device. >>>>>>>>>>>
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at >>>>>>>>>>>> the front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come >>>>>>>>>>>> inside to see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how >>>>>>>>>>>> he/she/it knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside >>>>>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver >>>>>>>>>>> saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a >>>>>>>>>>> Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment >>>>>>>>>>>> in your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring >>>>>>>>>>>> doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue >>>>>>>>>>>> this campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on >>>>>>>>>>>> Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples >>>>>>>>>>>> homes and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think >>>>>>>>>>>> animals should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect >>>>>>>>>>> anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self
defense, he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if
anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if >>>>>>>>>> he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with >>>>>>>>> zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to
either.
Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
No, I fail the voir dire. But in this instance it's the word of >>>>>>> the victim and only witness against the owners' speculative
"certainty".
The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason >>>>>> for shooting in the first place.
You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly? Do you >>>>>> live under a rock?
I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
What provocation justifies killing an animal? Because unless there
was some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home.
You condone abusing animals that haven't done anything to warrant it?
In this instance, it seems to be a question of evidence, and there's
only the victim's. It'd take a helluva lot of testimony about past
behavior -- probably about both victim and dog -- to outweigh that.
Not how things work, pig. The guy who put the bullet in the dog has
to account for his actions, not the other way around.
The burden isn't on the victim.
You run down an old man in his back yard, you'd better have a pretty
good excuse.
The shooter says the dog viciously menaced him. What else is there?
On 4/9/2024 8:32 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/9/2024 9:17 AM, FPP wrote:Character references from neighbors and friends who knew the dog. 1
On 4/5/24 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/5/2024 9:37 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:In this instance, it seems to be a question of evidence, and there's
On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk
<anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person >>>>>>>>>>>>> over the Easter
The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of her family's
weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed >>>>>>>>>>>>> on Instagram on
Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery >>>>>>>>>>>>> person after he
dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North >>>>>>>>>>>>> Carolina.
our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet >>>>>>>>>>>>> photos of the
"This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> InstaCart shot & killed
deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & >>>>>>>>>>>>> THEN shot our
dog.
Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & >>>>>>>>>>>>> then knew he
wasn’t
being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
did
not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He was shopping
under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with >>>>>>>>>>>>> my daughters and
myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your >>>>>>>>>>>>> dog. Yeah, I did."
We
are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> loss of our beloved
boy and family member."
tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account >>>>>>>>>>>>> was immediately
InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
"We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in >>>>>>>>>>>>> direct contact with
the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their >>>>>>>>>>>>> investigation."
enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver >>>>>>>>>>>>> claimed he shot
In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department to TMZ, law
the
dog in self-defense.
deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a >>>>>>>>>>>>> dog attacked him
"The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the residence to
while he was at the residence and that he defended himself >>>>>>>>>>>>> by firing a
single
gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another >>>>>>>>>>>>> dog was present at
the residence but did not attack."
the response to the shooting but the department confirmed >>>>>>>>>>>>> that no charges
They added that the department's Animal Control division >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was also involved in
had
been filed against the driver at this time.
in response to the shooting.
The police department added that it was not seeking out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other individuals
I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the front of
the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get >>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen all the
time?
Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that >>>>>>>>>>>> I see
around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power >>>>>>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is >>>>>>>>>>>> locked to
the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device. >>>>>>>>>>>>
The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the front door. I
thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come >>>>>>>>>>>>> inside to see that
her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how >>>>>>>>>>>>> he/she/it knew.
I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside >>>>>>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver >>>>>>>>>>>> saw that
there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a >>>>>>>>>>>> Ring device
unless he delivered items there before.
Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment >>>>>>>>>>>>> in your life
happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring >>>>>>>>>>>>> doorbell video
which is just galactically stupid but will they continue >>>>>>>>>>>>> this campaign?
I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Instacart,
drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> homes and steals
their animals and kills them because they don’t think >>>>>>>>>>>>> animals should be
pets and it’s just a small fine.
Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect >>>>>>>>>>>> anything to
happen to him.
You're kidding, right? Without him having proof of self >>>>>>>>>>> defense, he's going to get his ass sued off.
As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if >>>>>>>>>>> anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if >>>>>>>>>>> he has one.
I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog >>>>>>>>>> with zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want >>>>>>>>>> to either.
Wow, pig. So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
No, I fail the voir dire. But in this instance it's the word of >>>>>>>> the victim and only witness against the owners' speculative
"certainty".
The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his
reason for shooting in the first place.
You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly? Do
you live under a rock?
I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
What provocation justifies killing an animal? Because unless there >>>>> was some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home. >>>>>
You condone abusing animals that haven't done anything to warrant it? >>>>
only the victim's. It'd take a helluva lot of testimony about past
behavior -- probably about both victim and dog -- to outweigh that.
Not how things work, pig. The guy who put the bullet in the dog has
to account for his actions, not the other way around.
The burden isn't on the victim.
You run down an old man in his back yard, you'd better have a pretty
good excuse.
The shooter says the dog viciously menaced him. What else is there?
"bad dog" versus half-a-dozen "sweet loving pup".
On 4/5/24 4:23 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 4/5/2024 2:05 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/4/2024 10:29 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
. . .
The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail. >>>>> They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show
leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach
the dog
in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above trying to >>>>> pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let
you but
do it from below eye level on his chest.
Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths, >>>>> like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not >>>>> trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite
dangerous.
I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most >>>>>> dogs
are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like >>>>>> they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was
walking by
but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to >>>>>> always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is >>>>>> right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case >>>>>> the
dog wants to take a nip.
Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
Generally you want to put your hand out, back of the hand towards the
dog so it can smell you and let it come to you if it wants to be
friendly. Don't make a fist, dogs are smart enough to recognize
that as
being aggressive.
Yes.
Barbara Woodhouse was against letting the dog sniff the back of the hand >>> approaching from the front, as that's not enough for the dog not to
perceive a threat. She recommended approaching from the side as the dog
can get a better look at you. As their eyes are on either side of their
snouts, they never look straight ahead with both eyes, something people
fail to understand.
. . .
If they don't look straight ahead with both eyes, then they don't see
parallax 3D ...which I'm not prepared to accept, particularly since my
dog watches me intently with both eyes, face-on.
You always let the dog come to the stranger, never the other way around.
You always let the dog do the sniffing, you don't offer your hand.
That's a great way to get bit. The dog has to be comfortable first
before you approach it.
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