• Rightists Think Trump is initiating appeals process in Fani Willis case

    From Voice of Authority@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 00:08:31 2024
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    The case hasn't even been tried
    yet and Trump is already appealing it?



    Trump says so and his followers believe him, proving that they are a gaggle
    of ignorant fools who don't even know the rules in the USA. Deport them.

    The only reason they believe the economy is poor is because they've given
    all their money to Trump and are now broke, living like vermin in the gutters of Red State USA.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Voice of Authority on Wed Mar 20 22:14:39 2024
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    "Voice of Authority" <privatemail@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:utftpu$1pcl8$11@dont-email.me...
    The case hasn't even been tried
    yet and Trump is already appealing it?



    Trump says so and his followers believe him, proving that they are a
    gaggle
    of ignorant fools who don't even know the rules in the USA. Deport them.

    The only reason they believe the economy is poor is because they've given all their money to Trump and are now broke, living like vermin in the
    gutters
    of Red State USA.

    Whereas in 2024 Biden is just going to take everyone's money with a proposed $7.3 Trillion dollar budget as he prepares to massively increase taxation
    which will ultimately be paid by the working class. Another $2.9 Trillion in debt. Couple this with increased inflation due to the taxation and deficit spending.

    One can only wonder how long people ignore the water climbing towards the
    main deck and the ship of state sinks around us.

    For those that want to know how much it will cost them.. that level of
    spending represents around $22,000 for every man, woman and child in the US. For a family of four that means the government is spending about $88,000 of your money. Then people wonder why they have no money and can't get ahead.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu Mar 21 03:17:16 2024
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    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:utg5sj$1rh9o$2@dont-email.me:


    For those that want to know how much it will cost them.. that level of spending represents around $22,000 for every man, woman and child in
    the US. For a family of four that means the government is spending
    about $88,000 of your money. Then people wonder why they have no money
    and can't get ahead.

    Ah, the old bullshit propaganda. Biden is funding the IRS so they can
    collect the taxes from the rich. Right now YOU are subsidizing those rich
    tax cheats.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu Mar 21 01:51:37 2024
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:utg8rr$1vqip$1@dont-email.me...
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:utg5sj$1rh9o$2@dont-email.me:


    For those that want to know how much it will cost them.. that level of
    spending represents around $22,000 for every man, woman and child in
    the US. For a family of four that means the government is spending
    about $88,000 of your money. Then people wonder why they have no money
    and can't get ahead.

    Ah, the old bullshit propaganda. Biden is funding the IRS so they can collect the taxes from the rich.

    Yea, that's amusing. What's even funnier is that you think the rich will be
    the ones to actually pay any taxes. Like corporations they will simply
    consider it a cost of doing business, and pass that cost along to their customers in the form of higher prices. Which you will pay because you have
    no choice. Why do you think corporations record record profits after a tax increase? Because, they add the tax into the costs, and their costs
    determines how much they will add to establish their profits based on a percentage of the costs. As the costs go up.. so do corporate profits (after you've paid the expected taxes on that profit).


    Right now YOU are subsidizing those rich
    tax cheats.

    Yes, we are, and even though you throw it out like you know that.. you
    really don't understand that. taxing the rich, like taxing corporations, is
    all paid by the consumer.

    That's why they promote such taxes.. because you feel is someone else pays
    the tax, you wont have to.. but you do pay.. indirectly through higher
    prices.

    Ever wonder why we use to be able to raise a family on a single income where now it regularly takes both parents working?

    Simple.. more and more of the rewards of their labor are being siphoned away
    as taxes, both direct and hidden.

    I've seen numbers that back in the 60-70s about 18-20% of a person's gross income went to government in the form of taxes, both direct and hidden.
    Today it's more like 50-60%.
    Now consider the impact of Biden's massive increase in taxes.. how do corporations pay taxes.. by selling stuff, when their costs go up, which includes taxes, they increase their prices. Who pays those increased prices. You do. Did your paycheck increase to cover that? Hell no. The new middle
    class are what use to be called the Professional class, the higher earners.. what was the 'middle' class are now the working poor.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu Mar 21 14:50:20 2024
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    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:utgipi$21rk0$1@dont-email.me:



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    For those that want to know how much it will cost them.. that level
    of spending represents around $22,000 for every man, woman and child
    in the US. For a family of four that means the government is
    spending about $88,000 of your money. Then people wonder why they
    have no money and can't get ahead.

    Ah, the old bullshit propaganda. Biden is funding the IRS so they
    can collect the taxes from the rich.

    Yea, that's amusing. What's even funnier is that you think the rich
    will be the ones to actually pay any taxes. Like corporations they
    will simply consider it a cost of doing business, and pass that cost
    along to their customers in the form of higher prices. Which you will
    pay because you have no choice. Why do you think corporations record
    record profits after a tax increase? Because, they add the tax into
    the costs, and their costs determines how much they will add to
    establish their profits based on a percentage of the costs. As the
    costs go up.. so do corporate profits (after you've paid the expected
    taxes on that profit).


    Right now YOU are subsidizing those rich
    tax cheats.

    Yes, we are, and even though you throw it out like you know that.. you
    really don't understand that. taxing the rich, like taxing
    corporations, is all paid by the consumer.

    That's why they promote such taxes.. because you feel is someone else
    pays the tax, you wont have to.. but you do pay.. indirectly through
    higher prices.

    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes are
    levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    And those higher prices are price gouging - Biden's IRS will claw back
    some of those profits from higher prices.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to privatemail@protonmail.com on Thu Mar 21 15:22:25 2024
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    In article <utftpu$1pcl8$11@dont-email.me>, privatemail@protonmail.com wrote:

    Trump says so and his followers believe him, proving that they are a gaggle >of ignorant fools who don't even know the rules in the USA. Deport them.

    The only reason they believe the economy is poor is because they've given >all their money to Trump and are now broke, living like vermin in the
    gutters of Red State USA.


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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Fri Mar 22 07:24:57 2024
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:uthhfb$28udk$1@dont-email.me...
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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    For those that want to know how much it will cost them.. that level
    of spending represents around $22,000 for every man, woman and child
    in the US. For a family of four that means the government is
    spending about $88,000 of your money. Then people wonder why they
    have no money and can't get ahead.

    Ah, the old bullshit propaganda. Biden is funding the IRS so they
    can collect the taxes from the rich.

    Yea, that's amusing. What's even funnier is that you think the rich
    will be the ones to actually pay any taxes. Like corporations they
    will simply consider it a cost of doing business, and pass that cost
    along to their customers in the form of higher prices. Which you will
    pay because you have no choice. Why do you think corporations record
    record profits after a tax increase? Because, they add the tax into
    the costs, and their costs determines how much they will add to
    establish their profits based on a percentage of the costs. As the
    costs go up.. so do corporate profits (after you've paid the expected
    taxes on that profit).


    Right now YOU are subsidizing those rich
    tax cheats.

    Yes, we are, and even though you throw it out like you know that.. you
    really don't understand that. taxing the rich, like taxing
    corporations, is all paid by the consumer.

    That's why they promote such taxes.. because you feel is someone else
    pays the tax, you wont have to.. but you do pay.. indirectly through
    higher prices.

    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes are
    levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    Yes, and as such they are considered a cost of doing business and paid by
    the consumer. Raise the tax rates, the business responds by increasing
    prices to maintain their profit margin. More so, since now they have to pay taxes on the revenue they will use for the taxes. Net result is the cost of
    any taxation is passed along to the consumer, and the company increases it's profits by doing so.


    And those higher prices are price gouging

    No they aren't, because every company will be doing the exact same thing, because they have all had their costs increased by the same reason.

    - Biden's IRS will claw back
    some of those profits from higher prices.

    Which would cause the companies to increase prices even further.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri Mar 22 15:04:25 2024
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    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:utjqk4$2t4a4$5@dont-email.me:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:uthhfb$28udk$1@dont-email.me...

    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes
    are levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    Yes, and as such they are considered a cost of doing business and paid
    by the consumer. Raise the tax rates, the business responds by
    increasing prices to maintain their profit margin. More so, since now
    they have to pay taxes on the revenue they will use for the taxes. Net
    result is the cost of any taxation is passed along to the consumer,
    and the company increases it's profits by doing so.

    Nope - when they raise the prices the taxes increase.

    If they were actually paying the taxes you might have a glimmer of the
    truth (but not even the majority of the truth), but they are not paying
    taxes and not "maintaining their profit margin". You have zero
    understanding how stuff is priced - and zero understanding of economics.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Fri Mar 22 11:31:53 2024
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes
    are levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    Yes, and as such they are considered a cost of doing business and paid
    by the consumer. Raise the tax rates, the business responds by
    increasing prices to maintain their profit margin. More so, since now
    they have to pay taxes on the revenue they will use for the taxes. Net
    result is the cost of any taxation is passed along to the consumer,
    and the company increases it's profits by doing so.

    Nope - when they raise the prices the taxes increase.

    Yes, and they compensation for that buy adjusting a price increase (or
    reduce the amount sold for price X thus giving the illusion the price is unchanged) to match the increased taxes from the increased price. once the increase becomes less than a penny, they can decide whether to accept that,
    or roll the price up to the next penny. In the end the corporation will get
    X% of net profits from sales. increase taxes they increase prices to
    maintain X% of net profits. That's how it works.

    The increased prices are passed along to the consumer who sees it as
    inflation, as they now pay more for the same thing.. enriching the
    government and the corporations.. as since money from sales increase so do their profits. This is basic ECON101 stuff.


    If they were actually paying the taxes you might have a glimmer of the
    truth (but not even the majority of the truth),

    They are paying the taxes.. or rather they collect the tax money from the consumers and pass it along to the government.

    but they are not paying
    taxes

    Of course they are. They are merely the middlemen. Take from you... pass on
    to government.
    Now does that mean they won't work to reduce, delay, or otherwise reduce
    their tax burden? Of course they will, no intelligent being wouldn't. Which explains why you love paying more in taxes.

    and not "maintaining their profit margin".

    Sure they are. If they don't they will soon either have a new CEO or the business will eventually go out of business. That's what happens when
    profits start declining.

    You have zero
    understanding how stuff is priced - and zero understanding of economics.

    Says the person who doesn't understand that costs.. ALL costs.. are passed along to the consumer... the cost of the materials, the costs of the labor, even the cost of taxes... all paid by the consumer.

    After all.. where do you think the corporation gets the money to pay such taxes?

    Does the magic liberal magic money fairy fly down and give it to them?

    Your homework assignment is to research what is a Fixed Net Profit Margin
    and why corporations use them.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri Mar 22 20:44:04 2024
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes
    are levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    Yes, and as such they are considered a cost of doing business and
    paid by the consumer. Raise the tax rates, the business responds by
    increasing prices to maintain their profit margin. More so, since
    now they have to pay taxes on the revenue they will use for the
    taxes. Net result is the cost of any taxation is passed along to the
    consumer, and the company increases it's profits by doing so.

    Nope - when they raise the prices the taxes increase.

    Yes, and they compensation for that buy adjusting a price increase (or
    reduce the amount sold for price X thus giving the illusion the price
    is unchanged) to match the increased taxes from the increased price.
    once the increase becomes less than a penny, they can decide whether
    to accept that, or roll the price up to the next penny. In the end the corporation will get X% of net profits from sales. increase taxes they increase prices to maintain X% of net profits. That's how it works.

    The increased prices are passed along to the consumer who sees it as inflation, as they now pay more for the same thing.. enriching the
    government and the corporations.. as since money from sales increase
    so do their profits. This is basic ECON101 stuff.


    If they were actually paying the taxes you might have a glimmer of
    the truth (but not even the majority of the truth),

    They are paying the taxes.. or rather they collect the tax money from
    the consumers and pass it along to the government.

    but they are not paying
    taxes

    Of course they are. They are merely the middlemen. Take from you...
    pass on to government.
    Now does that mean they won't work to reduce, delay, or otherwise
    reduce their tax burden? Of course they will, no intelligent being
    wouldn't. Which explains why you love paying more in taxes.

    and not "maintaining their profit margin".

    Sure they are. If they don't they will soon either have a new CEO or
    the business will eventually go out of business. That's what happens
    when profits start declining.

    You have zero
    understanding how stuff is priced - and zero understanding of
    economics.

    Says the person who doesn't understand that costs.. ALL costs.. are
    passed along to the consumer... the cost of the materials, the costs
    of the labor, even the cost of taxes... all paid by the consumer.

    After all.. where do you think the corporation gets the money to pay
    such taxes?

    Does the magic liberal magic money fairy fly down and give it to them?

    Your homework assignment is to research what is a Fixed Net Profit
    Margin and why corporations use them.




    Your bullshit works for something like Sales Taxes which are explicitly
    passed through to the consumer. Doesn't work at all for Income Taxes.

    Let's take an example:
    Suppose you make $5M profit, and pay $1M Income Taxes. So you raise
    prices in effort to maintain that $5M profit - if your price increase is successful, you now owe $1.5M in taxes (or perhaps more) - so you fail to
    meet your goal. If your price increase is not successful, then your
    Profit falls (and probably your Income tax too.)

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon Mar 25 08:32:41 2024
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    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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    That's the other part of the conservaturd stupidity. Income taxes
    are levied on PROFITS and cannot be "passed through".

    Yes, and as such they are considered a cost of doing business and
    paid by the consumer. Raise the tax rates, the business responds by
    increasing prices to maintain their profit margin. More so, since
    now they have to pay taxes on the revenue they will use for the
    taxes. Net result is the cost of any taxation is passed along to the
    consumer, and the company increases it's profits by doing so.

    Nope - when they raise the prices the taxes increase.

    Yes, and they compensation for that buy adjusting a price increase (or
    reduce the amount sold for price X thus giving the illusion the price
    is unchanged) to match the increased taxes from the increased price.
    once the increase becomes less than a penny, they can decide whether
    to accept that, or roll the price up to the next penny. In the end the
    corporation will get X% of net profits from sales. increase taxes they
    increase prices to maintain X% of net profits. That's how it works.

    The increased prices are passed along to the consumer who sees it as
    inflation, as they now pay more for the same thing.. enriching the
    government and the corporations.. as since money from sales increase
    so do their profits. This is basic ECON101 stuff.


    If they were actually paying the taxes you might have a glimmer of
    the truth (but not even the majority of the truth),

    They are paying the taxes.. or rather they collect the tax money from
    the consumers and pass it along to the government.

    but they are not paying
    taxes

    Of course they are. They are merely the middlemen. Take from you...
    pass on to government.
    Now does that mean they won't work to reduce, delay, or otherwise
    reduce their tax burden? Of course they will, no intelligent being
    wouldn't. Which explains why you love paying more in taxes.

    and not "maintaining their profit margin".

    Sure they are. If they don't they will soon either have a new CEO or
    the business will eventually go out of business. That's what happens
    when profits start declining.

    You have zero
    understanding how stuff is priced - and zero understanding of
    economics.

    Says the person who doesn't understand that costs.. ALL costs.. are
    passed along to the consumer... the cost of the materials, the costs
    of the labor, even the cost of taxes... all paid by the consumer.

    After all.. where do you think the corporation gets the money to pay
    such taxes?

    Does the magic liberal magic money fairy fly down and give it to them?

    Your homework assignment is to research what is a Fixed Net Profit
    Margin and why corporations use them.




    Your bullshit works for something like Sales Taxes which are explicitly passed through to the consumer. Doesn't work at all for Income Taxes.

    Sure it does.



    Let's take an example:
    Suppose you make $5M profit, and pay $1M Income Taxes. So you raise
    prices in effort to maintain that $5M profit - if your price increase is successful, you now owe $1.5M in taxes (or perhaps more) - so you fail to meet your goal. If your price increase is not successful, then your
    Profit falls (and probably your Income tax too.)

    You don't think they can't calculate exactly how much they need to increase taxes to cover all the taxes, including the taxes due to the increase?

    In fact most companies work to maintain a specific net profit margin which
    is how much profit they have as a percentage of total revenue.. so as taxes goes up, price goes up, and net profit increases.

    Why else do you think you see companies announce record profits after a
    massive tax increase? Because gross sales increased, and thus increased net profits due to the fixed net profit margin.

    You say, but raising the prices will decrease sales.. except that everyone
    will be doing the same thing, because they all work to the same economic realities.

    The end result is what we see anytime this happens.. prices go up across the board.. and it's called inflation.

    Maybe you should take some ECON classes.. you might learn something... but I doubt you are capable of it.

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