• "jiggery-pokery" (delightfully British)

    From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 19 20:09:22 2024
    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Tue Mar 19 22:26:18 2024
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:09:22 -0500
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.


    I remember a physics prof saying it when I was at university here in
    Canada 50 years ago - and he was not even British (at least he had a
    Canadian accent; his parents might have been Brits).

    Mind you, I doubt I've heard it since; it's definitely NOT a routine
    saying here!

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    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 19 22:43:12 2024
    On 3/19/2024 9:09 PM, super70s wrote:
    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.

    I've seen it in some Brit novels, and I haven't read all that many.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Mar 19 22:29:43 2024
    On 2024-03-20 02:43:12 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:09 PM, super70s wrote:
    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.

    I've seen it in some Brit novels, and I haven't read all that many.

    Must get pretty good usage in Merrie Olde then, just caught my
    attention and I thought it was worth looking up.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 17:29:58 2024
    On 2024-03-20 03:29:43 +0000, super70s said:

    On 2024-03-20 02:43:12 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:09 PM, super70s wrote:
    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.

    I've seen it in some Brit novels, and I haven't read all that many.

    Must get pretty good usage in Merrie Olde then, just caught my
    attention and I thought it was worth looking up.

    It is used in America too, but very rarely. This is a Time magazine
    article from June 2015 ...


    This Is What 'Jiggery-Pokery' Means
    -----------------------------------
    In a blistering dissent, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
    wielded an insult on Thursday that has caught the Internet's
    attention. Arguing against his colleagues' reasoning in their
    decision to allow health care subsidies nationwide, Scalia
    accused them of "interpretive jiggery-pokery."

    If you're not familiar with the term, Jiggery-pokery dates
    back to at least the late 1800s, a rhythmic English phrase
    describing dishonest manipulation or nonsense, akin to
    hocus pocus, humbug, bambosh, baloney, berley (among the
    Australians), bunkum, hogwash (also known as eyewash),
    flapdoodle, flim-flam, flumadiddle, rubbish, galbanum (coming
    from a French word for empty representations), hooey, hot air,
    motormouthing, poppycock or malarkey, as Joe Biden is wont to
    say.

    Editors at the Oxford English Dictionary traced this
    particular phrase back to the Scottish word jouk, which means
    to skillfully twist one's body to avoid a blow-to manipulate
    oneself like an acrobat. Scalia, in this case, insinuates that
    his colleagues bend themselves and dissemble in order to work
    around the truth by misinterpreting words of the law.

    Among the Scots, the word jouk led to the notion of joukery or
    jookery to describe underhanded dealing or trickery. Pawky is
    another Scottish word, meaning artfully shrewd. A pawk, on its
    own, is a trick. And by 1686, some inventive Scottish speakers
    had combined the words in the phrase joukery-pawkery, which
    they used to refer to clever trickery or slight of hand.

    One might declare, as Sir Walter Scott did in his 19th century
    tale The Black Dwarf, that "There has been some
    jookery-paukery of Satan's in a' this!" From there, it was not
    a long linguistic path to becoming the jiggery-pokery that
    sent America running to their dictionaries this week.

    Katherine Martin, the head of U.S. dictionaries at Oxford,
    recalls that Scalia pulled a similar trick in 2013, when he
    used the "colorful reduplicative colloquialism" argle-bargle.
    Both she notes, are uncommon in American English, while
    jiggery-pokery is more commonly used among the Brits than
    argle-bargle, which describes a disputable bandying of words,
    a bit like bafflegab.

    Just as when Sen. Ted Cruz used the word "squish" to insult
    his rivals, Scalia's dissent is a reminder that a life in
    government needn't be lived while only using serious sounding
    words. Politicians can, after all, be fairly called
    snollygosters and quockerwodgers who flip-flop and kick tires-or,
    as Scalia might say, flapdoodlers who deceive themselves and
    others with their jibber-jabber.

    <https://time.com/3936188/scalia-jiggery-pokery>

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Mar 20 11:48:17 2024
    On 2024-03-20 04:29:58 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2024-03-20 03:29:43 +0000, super70s said:

    On 2024-03-20 02:43:12 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 3/19/2024 9:09 PM, super70s wrote:
    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.

    I've seen it in some Brit novels, and I haven't read all that many.

    Must get pretty good usage in Merrie Olde then, just caught my
    attention and I thought it was worth looking up.

    It is used in America too, but very rarely. This is a Time magazine
    article from June 2015 ...


    This Is What 'Jiggery-Pokery' Means
    -----------------------------------
    In a blistering dissent, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
    wielded an insult on Thursday that has caught the Internet's
    attention. Arguing against his colleagues' reasoning in their
    decision to allow health care subsidies nationwide, Scalia
    accused them of "interpretive jiggery-pokery."

    Yeah the more I think about it I do vaguely remember Scalia being
    called out for using such an unusual term.

    BTW if I had to guess I would've thought he'd been dead for at least
    more than 10 years, time flies.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Thu Mar 21 01:18:26 2024
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 22:26:18 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:09:22 -0500
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.


    I remember a physics prof saying it when I was at university here in
    Canada 50 years ago - and he was not even British (at least he had a
    Canadian accent; his parents might have been Brits).

    Mind you, I doubt I've heard it since; it's definitely NOT a routine
    saying here!

    I learned it from my grandfather who though UK born came to Canada at
    the age of 4 and presumably learned it from his parents.

    And I would be careful using it since it's sometimes used to describe
    "on the side" sex.

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Mar 21 07:36:36 2024
    On 3/21/2024 1:18 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 22:26:18 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:09:22 -0500
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    Yes there is such a word. I just heard a Brit reporter say it while
    talking about the Princess Kate scandal.


    I remember a physics prof saying it when I was at university here in
    Canada 50 years ago - and he was not even British (at least he had a
    Canadian accent; his parents might have been Brits).

    Mind you, I doubt I've heard it since; it's definitely NOT a routine
    saying here!

    I learned it from my grandfather who though UK born came to Canada at
    the age of 4 and presumably learned it from his parents.

    And I would be careful using it since it's sometimes used to describe
    "on the side" sex.

    Or something not quite kosher.

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