Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And
why please?
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And
why please?
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 20:00:11 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
My understanding is that what Apple excels at is marketing and getting
their various products to work well together. So everything just goes smoothly when you buy a new Apple product while getting a new Android
or other product to work well with Windows can take some finessing.
Also as you brought up Apple has long been known to be good for video/photoshop and digital audio work. I think Windows has products
that, again, are as good as Apple but they tend to be better
integrated on the Apple platform.
That said that Apple tax is too much for my blood. I can see it if you
need the integration AND can write it off as a business expense.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And
why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the
way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac that cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of stuff to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer
the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt Beta was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion
and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for
animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside commercials that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel machines couldn’t run electric image! Linker systems, animation stand, which was the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same notation. Mac only.
Similar notations for audio editing and production.
When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows
users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users of the software were still all Apple based.
About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally came around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. I told the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that
while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d ever seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was
doing with Maya on firefly.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And
why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the
way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac that cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of stuff to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer
the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt Beta was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion
and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for
animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside commercials that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel machines couldn’t run electric image! Linker systems, animation stand, which was the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same notation. Mac only.
Similar notations for audio editing and production.
When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows
users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users of the software were still all Apple based.
About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally came around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. I told the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that
while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d ever seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was
doing with Maya on firefly.
On 2024-03-12 03:55:30 +0000, shawn said:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 20:00:11 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
My understanding is that what Apple excels at is marketing and getting
their various products to work well together. So everything just goes
smoothly when you buy a new Apple product while getting a new Android
or other product to work well with Windows can take some finessing.
Apple owns and controls everything - the hardware and the operating
system (and some of the apps). So it knows exactly what is in each
computer has inside it and can easily cater for that.
Microsoft on the other hand only controls the operating system. Part of
the reason Windows has always been a mess is because Microsoft has to
make it work with a wide variety of video cards, CPU types, etc. Other operating systems such as Linux also suffer from this issue to some
degree.
Also as you brought up Apple has long been known to be good for
video/photoshop and digital audio work. I think Windows has products
that, again, are as good as Apple but they tend to be better
integrated on the Apple platform.
The Mac basically created things like desktop publishing, desktop
video, desktop photo editing, etc. Quite a few apps were originally
created for the Mac and then a Windows version made later - things like Pagemaker and even Microsoft's Excel spreadsheet app.
That said that Apple tax is too much for my blood. I can see it if you
need the integration AND can write it off as a business expense.
You get what you pay for.
Apple's prices hardware are not particularly expensive when you take
into account that they are higher-end products with higher-end features
and equipment. If you actually compare like-for-like, you'll find
similar prices - an easy example being the top end Samsung smartphones
being pretty much the same price as Apple's iPhone. (Apple's prices for
extra RAM and storage drive space is rather excessive though, and
something that is not able to be upgraded after purchase.) Apple also
has a lower profit margin for retailers, so they cannot do such extreme discounts, altough some places like Amazon still do so from time to
time, altough often on soon-to-be-out-going models.
You can of course get cheaper PCs from many makers, and usually it's
because they're using cheaper parts - older / slower CPUS, slower RAM,
budget graphics cards, lower quality displays (for all-in-one models),
etc.
On top of that original purchase prices is also the on-going expensive
of Windows' problems and maintenance, plus those cheaper models not
lasting as long in usabilty, so needing to be upgraded more often. None
of which you get with Apple. (The old story about business tech
departments not liking Macs because it threatens their job security, is
to some degree actually true.)
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And
why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and >> kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to >> start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the
way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They
would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac that >> cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of stuff >> to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer
the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt Beta >> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion
and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
for porn.
The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software forThank you for the response, you answered my question fully.
animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used
electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside commercials >> that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel machines
couldn’t run electric image! Linker systems, animation stand, which was >> the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same
notation. Mac only.
Similar notations for audio editing and production.
When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got
destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows
users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users of the >> software were still all Apple based.
About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally came >> around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. I told >> the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar
Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that
while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d ever >> seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near
firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in
lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was
doing with Maya on firefly.
On 3/12/24 12:06 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And >>> why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and >> kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to >> start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the >> way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of
anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They
would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac
that
cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of
stuff
to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer
the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt
Beta
was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion
and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for
animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used
electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside
commercials
that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel machines
couldn’t run electric image! Linker systems, animation stand, which was >> the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same
notation. Mac only.
Similar notations for audio editing and production.
When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got
destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows
users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users
of the
software were still all Apple based.
About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally
came
around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. I
told
the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar
Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that
while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d ever >> seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near
firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in
lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was
doing with Maya on firefly.
You know what really made VHS more popular than Beta? In the early
days, VHS had a longer run time. Beta didn't.
Betamax’s ultimate demise was the shortage in recording times. A
longer film, or even the average sports game, would have to be
separated into at least two cassettes for the Betamax. But do you know
why Sony intentionally kept the cassettes small?
The cassette design was inspired by its predecessor U-matic. U-matic
had a recording time of only one hour. But since broadcasters were the
main user group of the U-matic, they never expressed any concerns
because studios had multiple machines running and typically had
commercial breaks separating recordings.
Based off these trends, Sony believed one hour cassettes would
suffice. They even dubbed the small size as “convenient” compared to
the larger VHS tapes. Even the Betamax’s longest cassette, the L-830
tape, could only run for a maximum five hours versus VHS which started
creating tapes covering up to ten and a half hours of film. Size does
matter, and in this case the bigger the better. Consequently, VHS took
over the market as the standard home recording device.
Since most movies used to clock in at 2 hours and under, VHS was a no brainer.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And >>>> why please?
Well, Ive been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and >>> kibitzing so I really cant speak to what I would use if I were going to >>> start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the >>> way used windows.
Theres a school of thought that cheaper is better regardless of anything >>> else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They >>> would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac that >>> cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of stuff >>> to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer >>> the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. Theres absolutely no doubt Beta >>> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
for porn.
No. At the time, a good friend of mine was working at Fred rated and took
me through the store and showed me how all the various spiffs (perks and >kickbacks) worked which I found really interesting. For instance, if they >could get you to buy a knock off Walkman instead of a namebrand Sony
Walkman the salesman got $7.50 on a $50 sale. A pair of Panasonic D
batteries would get you $.50 all by themselves!
Sony with the Japanese mindset had a really different incentive plan than >Americans are used to. They paid kickbacks on the beta units, but only once
a year at Christmas/New Years. Meanwhile the VHS units paid kickbacks at
the time of sale. So would you rather get 50 bucks now for convincing me to >buy a VHS or take your chance that you were still going to be at the store
at the end of the year and get a lot more money in one lump?
So the salesmen are telling all the customers to get VHS based entirely on >the kickback, not the actual performance of the unit. Guess what sold
best?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And >>>> why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and >>> kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to >>> start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the >>> way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. They >>> would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac that >>> cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of stuff >>> to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the computer >>> the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt Beta
was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
for porn.
No. At the time, a good friend of mine was working at Fred rated and took
me through the store and showed me how all the various spiffs (perks and kickbacks) worked which I found really interesting. For instance, if they could get you to buy a knock off Walkman instead of a namebrand Sony
Walkman the salesman got $7.50 on a $50 sale. A pair of Panasonic D
batteries would get you $.50 all by themselves!
Sony with the Japanese mindset had a really different incentive plan than Americans are used to. They paid kickbacks on the beta units, but only once
a year at Christmas/New Year’s. Meanwhile the VHS units paid kickbacks at the time of sale. So would you rather get 50 bucks now for convincing me to buy a VHS or take your chance that you were still going to be at the store
at the end of the year and get a lot more money in one lump?
So the salesmen are telling all the customers to get VHS based entirely on the kickback, not the actual performance of the unit. Guess what sold
best?
On 3/12/2024 12:02 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your >>>>>serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion >>>>>where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>>>>and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC. >>>>>Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And >>>>>why please?
Well, I've been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting and >>>>kibitzing so I really can't speak to what I would use if I were going to >>>>start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or >>>>Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just in the >>>>way used windows.
There's a school of thought that "cheaper is better" regardless
of anything else. And those are the people that always wanted us to
use windows. They would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way >>>>better than your Mac that cost 1500 but then they would have to go
out and add a whole bunch of stuff to it and end up out of pocket
$2000 and still not have half the computer the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta >>>>was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>>>and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used >>>for porn.
No. At the time, a good friend of mine was working at Fred rated and took >>me through the store and showed me how all the various spiffs (perks and >>kickbacks) worked which I found really interesting. For instance, if they >>could get you to buy a knock off Walkman instead of a namebrand Sony >>Walkman the salesman got $7.50 on a $50 sale. A pair of Panasonic D >>batteries would get you $.50 all by themselves!
Sony with the Japanese mindset had a really different incentive plan than >>Americans are used to. They paid kickbacks on the beta units, but only once >>a year at Christmas/New Year's. Meanwhile the VHS units paid kickbacks at >>the time of sale. So would you rather get 50 bucks now for convincing me to >>buy a VHS or take your chance that you were still going to be at the store >>at the end of the year and get a lot more money in one lump?
So the salesmen are telling all the customers to get VHS based entirely on >>the kickback, not the actual performance of the unit. Guess what sold >>best?
Ah, that sounds familiar. I may have heard that before but forgot.
I still think porn had something to do with it though. ;)
In article <usoqio$4l1e$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta >> > was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >> > and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
How could they have stopped it?
That's like saying Ford wouldn't allow its cars to be used to film porn. >Except once you buy a car, it's yours, and you can use it for anything
you like and Ford has no say about it.
Betamax had no authority to dictate what the people who bought their
tapes could record on them.
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
In article <usoqio$4l1e$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta >>> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
How could they have stopped it?
That's like saying Ford wouldn't allow its cars to be used to film porn. Except once you buy a car, it's yours, and you can use it for anything
you like and Ford has no say about it.
Betamax had no authority to dictate what the people who bought their
tapes could record on them.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta >>>was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>>and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
How could they have stopped it?
That's like saying Ford wouldn't allow its cars to be used to film porn. >Except once you buy a car, it's yours, and you can use it for anything
you like and Ford has no say about it.
Betamax had no authority to dictate what the people who bought their
tapes could record on them.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <usoqio$4l1e$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt
Beta was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at
promotion and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
How could they have stopped it?
That's like saying Ford wouldn't allow its cars to be used to film porn.
Except once you buy a car, it's yours, and you can use it for anything
you like and Ford has no say about it.
Tesla did. They had right in the “sales” contract that you couldn’t use a
Tesla as a rideshare vehicle, apparently because they were considering starting their own rideshare service. It’s only in the last couple of years that Tesla became available to Uber and Lyft.
Betamax had no authority to dictate what the people who bought their
tapes could record on them.
On 3/11/24 11:55 PM, shawn wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 20:00:11 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it charges >>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
My understanding is that what Apple excels at is marketing and getting
their various products to work well together. So everything just goes
smoothly when you buy a new Apple product while getting a new Android
or other product to work well with Windows can take some finessing.
Also as you brought up Apple has long been known to be good for
video/photoshop and digital audio work. I think Windows has products
that, again, are as good as Apple but they tend to be better
integrated on the Apple platform.
That said that Apple tax is too much for my blood. I can see it if you
need the integration AND can write it off as a business expense.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work? And >>> why please?
If you like shit that's built well, and built to last, you pay for the privilege.
I've used both, and I've only had ONE issue with my Mac... and that
stemmed from a bad 3rd party RAM stick.
Our windows machines routinely had to be worked on by our IT department,
but only had to work on the Macs twice in almost 20 years
We would routinely had to reinstall Windows at least once a year.
Never had an issue with any of our iPhones either. The only time we replaced than was when we WANTED to.
We NEVER reinstalled a MacOS. Their shit just works.
You get what you pay for.
On 3/12/24 5:50 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/12/24 2:59 AM, FPP wrote:
On 3/12/24 12:06 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your >>>>> serious opinion on something. Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion >>>>> where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it
charges
and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work?
And
why please?
Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing
consulting and
kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were
going to
start over.
But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or >>>> Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were just
in the
way used windows.
There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of >>>> anything
else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows.
They
would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your
Mac that
cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch
of stuff
to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the
computer
the Apple guys did.
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no
doubt Beta
was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at
promotion
and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for
animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used >>>> electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside
commercials
that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel
machines
couldn’t run electric image! Linker systems, animation stand, which >>>> was
the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same >>>> notation. Mac only.
Similar notations for audio editing and production.
When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got
destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows >>>> users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users
of the
software were still all Apple based.
About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA
finally came
around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment.
I told
the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar
Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that >>>> while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d >>>> ever
seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near >>>> firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in >>>> lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was >>>> doing with Maya on firefly.
You know what really made VHS more popular than Beta? In the early
days, VHS had a longer run time. Beta didn't.
Betamax’s ultimate demise was the shortage in recording times. A
longer film, or even the average sports game, would have to be
separated into at least two cassettes for the Betamax. But do you
know why Sony intentionally kept the cassettes small?
The cassette design was inspired by its predecessor U-matic. U-matic
had a recording time of only one hour. But since broadcasters were
the main user group of the U-matic, they never expressed any
concerns because studios had multiple machines running and typically
had commercial breaks separating recordings.
Based off these trends, Sony believed one hour cassettes would
suffice. They even dubbed the small size as “convenient” compared to >>>> the larger VHS tapes. Even the Betamax’s longest cassette, the L-830 >>>> tape, could only run for a maximum five hours versus VHS which
started creating tapes covering up to ten and a half hours of film.
Size does matter, and in this case the bigger the better.
Consequently, VHS took over the market as the standard home
recording device.
Since most movies used to clock in at 2 hours and under, VHS was a no
brainer.
I'm not sure how this is a discussion. The only analog format left
standing is vinyl. Hell shellac records are still playable. Analog
consumer video tape is unwatchable by today's standards. So is
Anim8r's Liberace act.
There are people who pay big money for old VHS movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKVLL0RcII
In article <usoqio$4l1e$1@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/11/2024 9:06 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There's absolutely no doubt Beta >>> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion >>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.I thought it was because Betamax wouldn't allow their format to be used
for porn.
How could they have stopped it?
That's like saying Ford wouldn't allow its cars to be used to film porn. Except once you buy a car, it's yours, and you can use it for anything
you like and Ford has no say about it.
Betamax had no authority to dictate what the people who bought their
tapes could record on them.
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