• [OT] Canada resumes funding to UNWRA

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 21:31:48 2024
    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other
    employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to restore
    funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sat Mar 9 03:05:40 2024
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other >employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to restore >funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    I was going to post about this.

    https://apnews.com/article/canada-unrwa-gaza-israel-aid-suspended-hamas-1ed2cdb6c9bf293775320c0b2d37d128

    That is one massively corrupt agency that requires elimination for
    the good of humanity.

    We know only about the dozen or so Israel caught across the border. We
    don't know about the ones in Gaza helping with missile launches or part
    of the Hamas command structure.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Mar 8 22:50:31 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 03:05:40 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other >employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to
    restore funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    I was going to post about this.

    https://apnews.com/article/canada-unrwa-gaza-israel-aid-suspended-hamas-1ed2cdb6c9bf293775320c0b2d37d128

    That is one massively corrupt agency that requires elimination for
    the good of humanity.

    We know only about the dozen or so Israel caught across the border. We
    don't know about the ones in Gaza helping with missile launches or
    part of the Hamas command structure.

    I am HORRIFIED that Trudeau took this decision. He's beem very low in
    the polls for almost a year now and is determined to fight the next
    election rather than leaving politics. I can only suspect he's trying to
    ensure the Muslim and radical young person vote and is ignoring anything resembling a moral decision.

    I think this is going to bite him in the ass - hard. Look at the
    comments under the stories about this development. Virtually no one in
    this country supports this move. I suspect this may be the final straw
    for some Jewish Liberal MPs, particularly Anthony Housefather, who has
    been trying to keep the Liberal Party in its traditional position of
    supporting Israel. I can well imagine Housefather - and maybe others - "crossing the floor", i.e. leaving the Liberal Party and either sitting
    as independents or outright joining the Conservative Party. Or maybe
    he/they will just resign their seats altogether.

    Of course this is seen as being tantamount to treason by the party that
    is losing the member(s) and isn't something that happens terribly
    often. I'm not sure how many Liberal MPs support Israel besides
    Housefather but if there are enough, it could even mean that the
    Liberals plus the NDP don't have enough votes to prevent a vote of non-confidence. There's a chance this could trigger an election a year
    and a half early.

    Of course, that would be a WONDERFUL outcome. Most of us can't wait
    until the next election so we can turf the Liberals and their NDP
    enablers. It would be absolutely delicious if this did cause a vote of non-confidence and cause the government to fall and an early election
    to be called. It would be like scoring on your own goal and would make
    a fitting end to Trudeau's Reign of Error.


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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri Mar 8 22:38:01 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:50:31 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I am HORRIFIED that Trudeau took this decision. He's beem very low in
    the polls for almost a year now and is determined to fight the next
    election rather than leaving politics. I can only suspect he's trying to >ensure the Muslim and radical young person vote and is ignoring anything >resembling a moral decision.

    I completely agree with you on your analysis - but then I never
    thought JT had much gumption on the matter of 'moral decisions'

    I think this is going to bite him in the ass - hard. Look at the
    comments under the stories about this development. Virtually no one in
    this country supports this move. I suspect this may be the final straw
    for some Jewish Liberal MPs, particularly Anthony Housefather, who has
    been trying to keep the Liberal Party in its traditional position of >supporting Israel. I can well imagine Housefather - and maybe others - >"crossing the floor", i.e. leaving the Liberal Party and either sitting
    as independents or outright joining the Conservative Party. Or maybe
    he/they will just resign their seats altogether.

    The most commonly expected date for the next federal election is
    summer/fall 2025 - so I don't see a Member of Parliament resigning now
    - it would mean a by-election JT's party might conceivably win (though
    probably wouldn't - see below). It would be particularly embarassing
    to JT if Housefather in particular resigned since he holds the seat
    formerly held by Pierre Trudeau in his time (basically 1970s/80s) -
    and has one of the highest percentage of Jewish voters in Montreal.

    BC had a provincial cabinet minister who is Jewish who was forced out
    of the cabinet after she compared development in what is now Israel
    compared to what existed pre-1947 in less than complementary terms.

    The BC Muslim Association had in response issued a statement saying no
    member of the NDP provincial caucus would be welcome in any mosque as
    long as the lady in question remained in Cabinet and she was duly
    forced out. I'm astonished the Premier had kept her in cabinet at all
    given the next provincial election is October 2024 and she had
    indicated she wouldn't be seeking election. The standard Canadian
    practice is to remove anybody from cabinet who isn't seeking
    re-election so that they can be replaced with a rookie who is likely
    to get some good publicity in the year before the election - but that
    hadn't happened in Robinson's case so I was wondering if she had
    changed her mind and had told the premier but not the public but...

    Among other things she said her party was deeply anti-Semitic which
    caused howls since she said "the NDP" >NOT< "the NDP caucus" and while
    there are several strong NDP supporters (the public sector unions
    notably who amongst other things had demanded Jewish employees put
    their Stars of Davids under their clothing on the job since "some
    persons of color consider it a sign of genocide") that have amply
    earned the anti-Semitic label I don't see that the provincial
    politicians themselves had done so - though I don't recall supportive statements by the Premier or his cabinet following Oct 7th either.

    So while I accept your point about JT and anti-Semiticism I do think
    the NDP has more of a problem than the Liberals. Of course headlines
    in the coming weeks may change my mind...

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri Mar 8 22:19:28 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:31:48 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other >employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to restore >funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    I had originally thought about writing my MP on this subject but felt
    in light of the fact that our MP (aka 'Minister for Natural Resources)
    had come to bat for the chess players of Canada big time within the
    past two weeks (amongst my other "hats" I am on the national executive
    of the Chess Federation of Canada) it would be bad form for me to slag
    him hard the day after I had thanked him for his intervention on a
    matter near and dear to my heart. (The matter involved visas for some
    of the top chess players in the world who are gathering 2 weeks from
    now for one of the top chess tournaments of 2024 or for that matter
    the 2020s generally)

    But I completely agree with you on UNRRA and will take great delight
    in taking out my wrath at the ballot box in due course. (Unfortunately
    the coming redistribution of seats moves me from his district to a
    district long held by the NDP...)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Sun Mar 10 00:19:43 2024
    On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:50:31 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Of course, that would be a WONDERFUL outcome. Most of us can't wait
    until the next election so we can turf the Liberals and their NDP
    enablers. It would be absolutely delicious if this did cause a vote of >non-confidence and cause the government to fall and an early election
    to be called. It would be like scoring on your own goal and would make
    a fitting end to Trudeau's Reign of Error.

    I am hearing people I would never expect to be turning on Trudeau to
    be turning on him including one local radio commentator who till
    recently has been a big fan. I was driving at the time and while I
    didn't drive off the road I did out loud say "Holy ****!! Even him?!?"

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Wed Mar 13 03:08:17 2024
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other >employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to restore >funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    And now Sweden

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news-03-09-2024-6f4514fa1f4ad1f18a9d4331d81f917f

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Tue Mar 12 21:27:41 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:08:17 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Despite the allegations that several UNWRA employees directly
    participated in the atrocities of Oct 7 in Israel and that many other >>employees were known supporters of Hamas, Canada has chosen to restore >>funding to UNWRA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqYeQjenzQM

    The Liberals know no shame. They absolutely HAVE to be defeated
    decisively in the next election, beyond any ability to stay in power
    even in a coalition of some kind with the other leftist parties. They
    need at least a generation in the political wilderness before anyone
    should ever even CONSIDER trusting them with power again.

    And now Sweden

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news-03-09-2024-6f4514fa1f4ad1f18a9d4331d81f917f

    Wish I could say I was shocked with this news but I'm not expecting
    the Canadian Conservative party to hold forth on this subject since
    all polls within the last 2 months show them 15-20 points ahead of
    Justin Trudeau's Liberals with an election expected not later than Oct
    2025 - with 18 months to go the attitude is bound to be "why rock the
    boat?" particularly since there are past elections where they had this
    kind of lead, DID 'rock the boat' and thus snatched defeat from the
    jaws of victory.

    Pierre Poilievre (the Conservative party leader) is MUCH less prone to outbursts than Trump and has seen his party burned enough times by
    getting "busy" when they shouldn't to know better than venting right
    now.

    Hopefully UNRRA will quickly do a review and send the miscreants
    taking a long walk off a very short plank. But given it's the United
    Nations I'm not all that hopeful.

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