• [OT] Man who failed background check wants to know why

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 21:41:32 2024
    I just read about an interesting case in one of the Toronto papers.

    A man who had applied to previous security jobs tried to join the
    Toronto Police Service but failed his background check. No one will
    tell him why. He's seeking to get the information, even though he's
    moved on to another field, so that future applicants that fail
    background checks can better understand why.

    I can certainly understand why he wants to know and appreciate that he
    is apparently spending money to find out for the sake of others. I also understand why the people doing background checks may not want to
    reveal their methods and techniques; preserving some secrecy could be
    useful since, if everything was completely transparent, it would be
    easier for people to get around the safeguards.

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not many
    people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for someone
    else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the police himself
    or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these things don't operate according to MY gut hunches. It will be interesting to see how the
    Powers That Be rule in this case.


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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Mar 4 09:28:18 2024
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just read about an interesting case in one of the Toronto papers.

    A man who had applied to previous security jobs tried to join the
    Toronto Police Service but failed his background check. No one will
    tell him why. He's seeking to get the information, even though he's
    moved on to another field, so that future applicants that fail
    background checks can better understand why.

    I can certainly understand why he wants to know and appreciate that he
    is apparently spending money to find out for the sake of others. I also understand why the people doing background checks may not want to
    reveal their methods and techniques; preserving some secrecy could be
    useful since, if everything was completely transparent, it would be
    easier for people to get around the safeguards.

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not many
    people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for someone
    else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the police himself
    or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these things don't operate according to MY gut hunches. It will be interesting to see how the
    Powers That Be rule in this case.



    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who
    had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my
    age at my address, but not living.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Mon Mar 4 11:46:20 2024
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:28:18 -0700
    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just read about an interesting case in one of the Toronto papers.

    A man who had applied to previous security jobs tried to join the
    Toronto Police Service but failed his background check. No one will
    tell him why. He's seeking to get the information, even though he's
    moved on to another field, so that future applicants that fail
    background checks can better understand why.

    I can certainly understand why he wants to know and appreciate that
    he is apparently spending money to find out for the sake of others.
    I also understand why the people doing background checks may not
    want to reveal their methods and techniques; preserving some
    secrecy could be useful since, if everything was completely
    transparent, it would be easier for people to get around the
    safeguards.

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not
    many people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for
    someone else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the
    police himself or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these
    things don't operate according to MY gut hunches. It will be
    interesting to see how the Powers That Be rule in this case.



    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad
    (who had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my
    name as being over 100 years old and living at his address And his
    name as being my age at my address, but not living.


    You're absolutely right: you can't take the results of a name search at
    face value. One of my friends was a fairly senior IT person at the
    Ontario Ministry of Health before her retirement. I remember her
    telling me about all the logic they had to have in their programs just
    to distinguish people from one another, such as a father and son living
    at the same address. Even then, I got the distinct impression that they
    weren't really sure they were really distinguishing people correctly.

    They finally made major changes to the system 20 or 30 years ago,
    presumably to address those problems. But who knows if that solved all
    the problems? It might only have solved some of them and introduced
    whole new problems since that is what computer systems typically do. And
    that's only the OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Program) and doesn't
    take into account all the other systems that track you.


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    Rhino

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 08:44:00 2024
    On 3/4/2024 8:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just read about an interesting case in one of the Toronto papers.

    A man who had applied to previous security jobs tried to join the
    Toronto Police Service but failed his background check. No one will
    tell him why. He's seeking to get the information, even though he's
    moved on to another field, so that future applicants that fail
    background checks can better understand why.

    I can certainly understand why he wants to know and appreciate that he
    is apparently spending money to find out for the sake of others. I also
    understand why the people doing background checks may not want to
    reveal their methods and techniques; preserving some secrecy could be
    useful since, if everything was completely transparent, it would be
    easier for people to get around the safeguards.

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not many
    people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for someone
    else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the police himself
    or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these things don't operate
    according to MY gut hunches. It will be interesting to see how the
    Powers That Be rule in this case.



    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my age at my address, but not living.

    See, that last is why you're not getting all your mail.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 10:38:59 2024
    On 2024-03-04 16:28:18 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just read about an interesting case in one of the Toronto papers.

    A man who had applied to previous security jobs tried to join the
    Toronto Police Service but failed his background check. No one will
    tell him why. He's seeking to get the information, even though he's
    moved on to another field, so that future applicants that fail
    background checks can better understand why.

    I can certainly understand why he wants to know and appreciate that he
    is apparently spending money to find out for the sake of others. I also
    understand why the people doing background checks may not want to
    reveal their methods and techniques; preserving some secrecy could be
    useful since, if everything was completely transparent, it would be
    easier for people to get around the safeguards.

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not many
    people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for someone
    else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the police himself
    or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these things don't operate
    according to MY gut hunches. It will be interesting to see how the
    Powers That Be rule in this case.

    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my age at my address, but not living.

    When my medical records were transferred from paper files to the
    nationwide networked computer system many years ago, the GP office
    person obviously got distracted and entered my birthdate as a mixture
    of mine and my brother's birthdate, so it's completely wrong. Plus, the
    address they have on the computer is 30+ years and two houses out of
    date.

    Apparently that information can only be changed by your registered GP
    ... but those two original doctors retired and the practice was taken
    over by new doctors, and nobody told me (possibly because the address
    was wrong) that I had to re-register with them, so I haven't actually
    had a GP for years. The couple of times since then that I have needed
    to see a doctor, I've just used the no-appointment places.

    "Big Brother" may be watching, but he's half-blind and half-deaf.
    Computers are only as good as the data entry person. :-\

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Mon Mar 4 17:53:04 2024
    On 2024-03-04 16:44:00 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 8:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >> had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my >> age at my address, but not living.

    See, that last is why you're not getting all your mail.

    How are you holding up, even begun to dig yourself out yet?

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 17:32:39 2024
    On 3/4/2024 3:53 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2024-03-04 16:44:00 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 8:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad
    (who
    had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my
    name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as
    being my
    age at my address, but not living.

    See, that last is why you're not getting all your mail.

    How are you holding up, even begun to dig yourself out yet?

    Most of the snow went to S Ca and NV. We've had steady snow up here, but
    no more than 3-4" at a time, and that's overnight. Daytime the temps
    warm up a little.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Mon Mar 4 20:37:03 2024
    On 2024-03-05 01:32:39 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 3:53 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2024-03-04 16:44:00 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 8:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >>>> had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my
    age at my address, but not living.

    See, that last is why you're not getting all your mail.

    How are you holding up, even begun to dig yourself out yet?

    Most of the snow went to S Ca and NV. We've had steady snow up here,
    but no more than 3-4" at a time, and that's overnight. Daytime the
    temps warm up a little.

    OK good I thought I saw on a weather map today a big snowstorm was
    happening up north Washington and Oregon way.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Mon Mar 4 19:24:43 2024
    On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:41:32 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    But I'm also skeptical that this guy is entirely altruistic. Not many
    people will spend money on lawyers just to get something for someone
    else. I suspect he still has ambitions of joining the police himself
    or, perhaps, something more sinister. Still, these things don't operate >according to MY gut hunches. It will be interesting to see how the
    Powers That Be rule in this case.

    Heck - my dad was a probationary rookie cop some 50 years ago and was
    called to a 'bunch of high school kids drinking in the park' (e.g. all
    under age) call where he made several arrests for 'drunk +
    disorderly'. He was told to close 3 or 4 of the arrest files and found
    out that among them were sons of city councillors - and at the end of
    his probation was told he didn't have the proper mind set to be a good
    cop.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 19:29:39 2024
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:28:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as >being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my >age at my address, but not living.

    I'm in the same boat though Dad died in 2015 and I had my current home
    long before that so haven't had that particular problem. Still, the
    federal government and the medical system typically refer to me by my
    first name (the name he lived by but not me) which is annoying but
    apparently unavoidable. Some civil serpents apparently believe nobody
    goes by other than their first name.

    Since my wife's passing (2 years ago this coming Thursday) I've had
    mail and e-mails in her name and was brought to tears on an ad e-mail
    2-3 weeks ago wanting me to purchase something nice from them "for my valentine". Don't I wish! ...

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Mon Mar 4 19:31:56 2024
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 11:46:20 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    You're absolutely right: you can't take the results of a name search at
    face value. One of my friends was a fairly senior IT person at the
    Ontario Ministry of Health before her retirement. I remember her
    telling me about all the logic they had to have in their programs just
    to distinguish people from one another, such as a father and son living
    at the same address. Even then, I got the distinct impression that they >weren't really sure they were really distinguishing people correctly.

    They finally made major changes to the system 20 or 30 years ago,
    presumably to address those problems. But who knows if that solved all
    the problems? It might only have solved some of them and introduced
    whole new problems since that is what computer systems typically do. And >that's only the OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Program) and doesn't
    take into account all the other systems that track you.=20

    A large part of that is that governments at various levels in Canada
    are legally not allowed to use the SSID (Canadian equivalent of the US
    Social Security Number) for any purpose other than taxation.

    I'd be interested in concrete suggestions that might square that
    circle...

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Mar 4 19:33:49 2024
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 20:37:03 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    OK good I thought I saw on a weather map today a big snowstorm was
    happening up north Washington and Oregon way.

    It's a bit further north than that...(3-4" even though most of the day
    it was above freezing in vancouver.bc.ca)

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Mar 4 21:50:06 2024
    On 3/4/2024 7:33 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 20:37:03 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    OK good I thought I saw on a weather map today a big snowstorm was
    happening up north Washington and Oregon way.

    It's a bit further north than that...(3-4" even though most of the day
    it was above freezing in vancouver.bc.ca)

    Different storm, we only had 3" overnight.

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 21:49:18 2024
    On 3/4/2024 6:37 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2024-03-05 01:32:39 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 3:53 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2024-03-04 16:44:00 +0000, suzeeq said:

    On 3/4/2024 8:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my
    dad (who
    had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my >>>>> name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as
    being my
    age at my address, but not living.

    See, that last is why you're not getting all your mail.

    How are you holding up, even begun to dig yourself out yet?

    Most of the snow went to S Ca and NV. We've had steady snow up here,
    but no more than 3-4" at a time, and that's overnight. Daytime the
    temps warm up a little.

    OK good I thought I saw on a weather map today a big snowstorm was
    happening up north Washington and Oregon way.

    The big snowstorm was in S and central Oregon going into S Idaho. We
    just had a small amount.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Mar 5 02:07:32 2024
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:28:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >> had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that he’s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my >> age at my address, but not living.

    I'm in the same boat though Dad died in 2015 and I had my current home
    long before that so haven't had that particular problem.

    I was in my house about 15 years when dad died and somebody still has since swapped our names between them.

    Here’s a good one that just happened. Wells Fargo renamed two of my bank accounts to my mother‘s name. I have no idea why. I think the easiest thing to do will just be to withdrawal what little monies in them and let them
    wither away.


    Still, the
    federal government and the medical system typically refer to me by my
    first name (the name he lived by but not me) which is annoying but
    apparently unavoidable. Some civil serpents apparently believe nobody
    goes by other than their first name.

    When I first tried to get Social Security online, I was flat out refused. I
    had to go in. When I did the nice lady told me that the record show I was
    born in CA and somebody decided that was Canada instead of California, so I wasn’t eligible for Social Security at all.



    Since my wife's passing (2 years ago this coming Thursday)

    Condolences

    I've had
    mail and e-mails in her name and was brought to tears on an ad e-mail
    2-3 weeks ago wanting me to purchase something nice from them "for my valentine". Don't I wish! ...


    :(

    --
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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 06:06:01 2024
    On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 02:07:32 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:28:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >>> had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that heâ??s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my >>> age at my address, but not living.

    I'm in the same boat though Dad died in 2015 and I had my current home
    long before that so haven't had that particular problem.

    I was in my house about 15 years when dad died and somebody still has since >swapped our names between them.

    Here’s a good one that just happened. Wells Fargo renamed two of my bank >accounts to my mother‘s name. I have no idea why. I think the easiest thing >to do will just be to withdrawal what little monies in them and let them >wither away.


    Then they will keep the accounts active accruing fees which they will
    use against you if you try to use Wells Fargo again in the future.
    Experienced that myself with an account that I had opened up when I
    was in college and was supposed to have closed down but apparently
    they kept it going even though it had no money in it. Then wanted me
    to pay the fees years later when I went to open a new account.

    Still, the
    federal government and the medical system typically refer to me by my
    first name (the name he lived by but not me) which is annoying but
    apparently unavoidable. Some civil serpents apparently believe nobody
    goes by other than their first name.

    When I first tried to get Social Security online, I was flat out refused. I >had to go in. When I did the nice lady told me that the record show I was >born in CA and somebody decided that was Canada instead of California, so I >wasn’t eligible for Social Security at all.

    LOL. That sort of stupidity seems to keep happening. You would think
    it wouldn't since it's got to be common thing for them to run into
    with people being born in CA/California or NM/New Mexico, yet we keep
    hearing of the occasional person that can't get it right.



    Since my wife's passing (2 years ago this coming Thursday)

    Condolences


    I've had
    mail and e-mails in her name and was brought to tears on an ad e-mail
    2-3 weeks ago wanting me to purchase something nice from them "for my
    valentine". Don't I wish! ...

    Yeah, that's got to hurt.



    :(

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Tue Mar 5 07:50:22 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 02:07:32 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:28:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Any sort of online background check always confusicates me and my dad (who >>>> had the same first name but a different middle name).

    Even now that heâ??s been gone almost 25 years, a search will show my name as
    being over 100 years old and living at his address And his name as being my
    age at my address, but not living.

    I'm in the same boat though Dad died in 2015 and I had my current home
    long before that so haven't had that particular problem.

    I was in my house about 15 years when dad died and somebody still has since >> swapped our names between them.

    Here’s a good one that just happened. Wells Fargo renamed two of my bank >> accounts to my mother‘s name. I have no idea why. I think the easiest thing
    to do will just be to withdrawal what little monies in them and let them
    wither away.


    Then they will keep the accounts active accruing fees which they will
    use against you if you try to use Wells Fargo again in the future.

    Trust me, that will never happen. :-)

    But I can’t imagine how much trouble it’s going to be. They’re going to flat out tell me I’m lying when I say that they change those accounts to a different name without telling me anything about it. I’m not about to
    execute 10-year-old trust documents again to try to get them back. I’m not gonna spend money on lawyers. All of which I had to do last time.


    Experienced that myself with an account that I had opened up when I
    was in college and was supposed to have closed down but apparently
    they kept it going even though it had no money in it. Then wanted me
    to pay the fees years later when I went to open a new account.


    Bastards


    Still, the
    federal government and the medical system typically refer to me by my
    first name (the name he lived by but not me) which is annoying but
    apparently unavoidable. Some civil serpents apparently believe nobody
    goes by other than their first name.

    When I first tried to get Social Security online, I was flat out refused. I >> had to go in. When I did the nice lady told me that the record show I was
    born in CA and somebody decided that was Canada instead of California, so I >> wasn’t eligible for Social Security at all.

    LOL. That sort of stupidity seems to keep happening. You would think
    it wouldn't since it's got to be common thing for them to run into
    with people being born in CA/California or NM/New Mexico, yet we keep
    hearing of the occasional person that can't get it right.

    Yep





    Since my wife's passing (2 years ago this coming Thursday)

    Condolences


    I've had
    mail and e-mails in her name and was brought to tears on an ad e-mail
    2-3 weeks ago wanting me to purchase something nice from them "for my
    valentine". Don't I wish! ...

    Yeah, that's got to hurt.



    :(




    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 22:57:20 2024
    On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 02:07:32 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    When I first tried to get Social Security online, I was flat out refused. I >had to go in. When I did the nice lady told me that the record show I was >born in CA and somebody decided that was Canada instead of California, so I >wasn’t eligible for Social Security at all.

    One of the things I lost along the way was my Canadian mother's Social
    Security Card. They met while in college in Seattle and married
    between 2nd + 3rd year and had me the fall after graduation. Dad went
    on to grad school in Frisco so Mom had a SS # (which at that time
    "foreign students" didn't have) and I found the card when we were
    moving but foolishly didn't pocket it as a keepsake. This card would
    have been issued in the late 1950s.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Tue Mar 5 23:00:54 2024
    On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 06:06:01 -0500, shawn
    <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    LOL. That sort of stupidity seems to keep happening. You would think
    it wouldn't since it's got to be common thing for them to run into
    with people being born in CA/California or NM/New Mexico, yet we keep
    hearing of the occasional person that can't get it right.

    On the other hand I knew a couple as a child (they were friends of my grandparents) who had a Canadian born son who had grown up in
    California and got drafted for Vietnam - since while he had never
    taken citizenship had grown up there since before he was age 10.

    As I recall he was drafted but was sent somewhere other than Vietnam.

    This was mostly notable for me since when I graduated from high school
    Vietnam was winding down but they had put in the draft lottery and I
    knew that as the son of an American citizen though born in Canada if
    my grades dropped I might be called up....

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Wed Mar 6 13:22:02 2024
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 02:07:32 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    When I first tried to get Social Security online, I was flat out refused. I >> had to go in. When I did the nice lady told me that the record show I was
    born in CA and somebody decided that was Canada instead of California, so I >> wasn’t eligible for Social Security at all.

    One of the things I lost along the way was my Canadian mother's Social Security Card. They met while in college in Seattle and married
    between 2nd + 3rd year and had me the fall after graduation. Dad went
    on to grad school in Frisco so Mom had a SS # (which at that time
    "foreign students" didn't have) and I found the card when we were
    moving but foolishly didn't pocket it as a keepsake. This card would
    have been issued in the late 1950s.


    :(

    Some of that stuff might be in my parents safety deposit box, which I went through and just locked it all up again. I thought there might be treasures
    or even jewelry and money in there but it was mostly stuff like my mom‘s original wedding ring, and my dad‘s purple heart, and, a lock of somebody’s baby hair. Stuff that was invaluable to them.

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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