Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the
self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So
I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've
now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had
to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the
coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Agreed, I just saw this on the Twitters:
NBC News
@NBCNews
Some of former President Trump’s most fervent supporters are being
swindled into investing thousands in “Trump Bucks” that promise riches once cashed in.
Instead, they’re receiving memorabilia that no bank will cash.
...
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the
self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So
I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've
now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had
to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the
coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Agreed, I just saw this on the Twitters:
NBC News
@NBCNews
Some of former President Trump’s most fervent supporters are being
swindled into investing thousands in “Trump Bucks” that promise riches >> once cashed in.
Instead, they’re receiving memorabilia that no bank will cash.
...
Well, that certainly ought to be memorable, anyway...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to
cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo,
none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant if they
were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>> now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>> to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic
about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags. Though
they do have the paper bags around if you want to use them. They just
won't use them unless someone asks.
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the >>>> self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So
I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>> now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>> to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the >>>> coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags. Though
they do have the paper bags around if you want to use them. They just
won't use them unless someone asks.
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the >>>> self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So
I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>> now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>> to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the >>>> coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the >>>>> self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So >>>>> I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>>> now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>>> to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the >>>>> coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties of food poisoning.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I also agree that the plastic grocery bags are handy
for bin liners and bagging up greasy or smelly items for
the garbage.
Choices are a Good Thing, but many seem to prefer to
make choices for you, like no plastic bags, no straws,
no whatever even when they are handled and disposed of
properly they aren't as big a risk to the environment
as many sources would have you believe.
Nyssa, who thinks that these things go in cycles and
right now the cycle is plastic bad and in a couple of
years it will be something else is even worse
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask
down to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo,
none, nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly
remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed
plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my
head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put
everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods.
Those bags are now only used in the house to store and
organize lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask
down to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo,
none, nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly
remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed
plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my
head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put
everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods.
Those bags are now only used in the house to store and
organize lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I have one string bag I knitted in linen yarn. Super
strong for its size, but no where big enough for a
load of groceries.
I did another in the same pattern with Lily's Sugar
'n Cream cotton yarn and going up on the needle size
which came out a bit larger due to the heavier yarn/
larger needles, but still no where large enough
(or strong enough) for groceries.
I'd appreciate a pointer to the pattern you used for
your bags to check it out. It might be worth doing one
for some medium-sized grocery runs.
<snip other stuff about grocery bags>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At the >>>>> self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So >>>>> I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>>> now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>>> to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about the >>>>> coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties of food poisoning.
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough. At >>>>>> the
self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada, zilch. So >>>>>> I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and
they've
now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>> had
to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic about >>>>>> the
coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
On 3/3/2024 8:25 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:You have WAY too much free time. :P
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
On 3/3/2024 11:55 AM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>> mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to cough.
At the
self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none, nada,
zilch. So
I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and
they've
now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because
we had
to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were apoplectic
about the
coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe
with a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to
resist.
You can also throw cloth bags in the washer and dryer too.
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of theirYesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El
zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>>> now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
On 3/3/2024 10:14 AM, Nyssa wrote:
suzeeq wrote:I don't usually buy a lot at a time, but if I think
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask
down to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo,
none, nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly
remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed
plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis
story and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my
head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
buy one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put
everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When
packages food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the
cloth, then goes rancid and you put new food into the
bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of
exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods.
Those bags are now only used in the house to store and
organize lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and
they've held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I have one string bag I knitted in linen yarn. Super
strong for its size, but no where big enough for a
load of groceries.
I did another in the same pattern with Lily's Sugar
'n Cream cotton yarn and going up on the needle size
which came out a bit larger due to the heavier yarn/
larger needles, but still no where large enough
(or strong enough) for groceries.
I'd appreciate a pointer to the pattern you used for
your bags to check it out. It might be worth doing one
for some medium-sized grocery runs.
<snip other stuff about grocery bags>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
there's too much for one bag, I bring a second one in. I
keep them in the car.
I've use a couple st patterns, and for a straight bottom
one, I use a turkish CO and knit several rounds of
stockinette in the round. One pattern is yo, sl 1, k1, yo
and psso both the k and yo; repeat around then do a plain
knit round, dropping the yo that's between the passed over
sts. The other one is yo k1, yo, sl 1, sk2tog, psso and
repeat. I can't remember if I do a plain round, and I
don't have one in the house to look at but I offset from
the first round so the sk2p is done on the yo 1 yo sts.
Done with a large needle, 13 or 15, they're very stretchy
with a solid bottom. Sometime I do the bottom circular
too, CO 6 or 8 sts, knit a plain round, then inc every
other st, plain round, and k2, inc the next inc round.
Adding one more inc between sets until it's as big as I
want. and knit plain for another couple rounds. In a
worsted weight yarn, that's 40-50ish sts.
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of theirYesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El
zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant
if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >> >>>>> now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we
had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for
food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down to >>>>>> cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, >>>>>> none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant if they >>>>>> were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>>>> now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we had >>>>>> to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick with it? >>>>>>
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made out of recycled
plastic material. The first time I used one, it split down the side,
and I ended up having to crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned
goods. Those bags are now only used in the house to store and organize lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years later, they're still good, sturdy
bags, but I only use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry) the canvas ones several times over the years and they've held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long as you can find
the fabric that is both sturdy and washable.
I also agree that the plastic grocery bags are handy for bin liners and bagging up greasy or smelly items for the garbage.
Choices are a Good Thing, but many seem to prefer to make choices for
you, like no plastic bags, no straws, no whatever even when they are
handled and disposed of properly they aren't as big a risk to the
environment as many sources would have you believe.
Nyssa, who thinks that these things go in cycles and right now the
cycle is plastic bad and in a couple of years it will be something else
is even worse
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of theirYesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El
zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've >>>>>>> now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for
food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >> >>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of theirYesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I
mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El
zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >> >>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and
they've now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the
environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >> >>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick
with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packaged food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leaks into the cloth, then goes rancid and you
put new food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts
of exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for >food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
My village's ordinance restricts the use of "one-time use" grocery bags
by taxing them, whether paper or plastic. I re-use both, yet I'm still subject to tax because of the legal definition, not my personal
behavior.
On 2024-03-03 18:14:57 +0000, Nyssa said:
<snip>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
Some supermarkets here will sell you cloth bags with their
logo printed on it ... so what you do is use the bag from
the competitor supermarket.
a. It means you can't get accused of not paying for the
bag.
b. It annoys the managers, which is a bonus. :-)
On 3/3/2024 10:31 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/3/2024 8:25 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:You have WAY too much free time. :P
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I'm retired, and knit while I watch tv. They don't take much time
anyway, maybe a couple hours.
suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 10:14 AM, Nyssa wrote:
suzeeq wrote:I don't usually buy a lot at a time, but if I think
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask
down to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo,
none, nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly
remember when the environmentalist whackos pushed
plastic bags over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis
story and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my
head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
buy one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put
everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When
packages food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the
cloth, then goes rancid and you put new food into the
bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of
exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods.
Those bags are now only used in the house to store and
organize lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and
they've held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I have one string bag I knitted in linen yarn. Super
strong for its size, but no where big enough for a
load of groceries.
I did another in the same pattern with Lily's Sugar
'n Cream cotton yarn and going up on the needle size
which came out a bit larger due to the heavier yarn/
larger needles, but still no where large enough
(or strong enough) for groceries.
I'd appreciate a pointer to the pattern you used for
your bags to check it out. It might be worth doing one
for some medium-sized grocery runs.
<snip other stuff about grocery bags>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
there's too much for one bag, I bring a second one in. I
keep them in the car.
I've use a couple st patterns, and for a straight bottom
one, I use a turkish CO and knit several rounds of
stockinette in the round. One pattern is yo, sl 1, k1, yo
and psso both the k and yo; repeat around then do a plain
knit round, dropping the yo that's between the passed over
sts. The other one is yo k1, yo, sl 1, sk2tog, psso and
repeat. I can't remember if I do a plain round, and I
don't have one in the house to look at but I offset from
the first round so the sk2p is done on the yo 1 yo sts.
Done with a large needle, 13 or 15, they're very stretchy
with a solid bottom. Sometime I do the bottom circular
too, CO 6 or 8 sts, knit a plain round, then inc every
other st, plain round, and k2, inc the next inc round.
Adding one more inc between sets until it's as big as I
want. and knit plain for another couple rounds. In a
worsted weight yarn, that's 40-50ish sts.
Thanks! I've saved this and will try some test rounds
when I get a chance. I'm assuming you're using acrylic
yarns for easy washing and drying.
I usually only hit the grocery store once or twice a
month, so I get more than just a few things at a time.
Things here are too far away to make trips for just
a few things. Gotta save on gas, since groceries keep
going up.
Nyssa, who has been trying to work on a pair of thick
knitted knee socks for weeks, but keeps getting pulled
away by other gotta-dos (housework? what's that?)
On 3/3/2024 11:52 AM, suzeeq wrote:Mine are smaller, maybe 10 x 12 x 0. It's flat when there's nothing in it.
On 3/3/2024 10:31 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/3/2024 8:25 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:You have WAY too much free time. :P
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I'm retired, and knit while I watch tv. They don't take much time
anyway, maybe a couple hours.
Well, for a long time I made do with free promotional cloth bags from a
local store plus a couple similar bags given away by local businesses. I think only one of them wore out on me. A few years ago I bought a
couple of 9"x12"x16" insulated fabric/cloth bags and use those. I
rarely need to use more than one for a given shopping trip and never
more than both of them.
'
On 2024-03-03 18:14:57 +0000, Nyssa said:
<snip>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
Some supermarkets here will sell you cloth bags with their logo printed
on it ... so what you do is use the bag from the competitor supermarket.
a. It means you can't get accused of not paying for the bag.
b. It annoys the managers, which is a bonus. :-)
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:57:03 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-03 18:14:57 +0000, Nyssa said:
<snip>
Nyssa, who will also keep using the heavy canvas
grocery bags when needed even though the grocery
store that sold them closed years ago and is
greatly missed in this area
Some supermarkets here will sell you cloth bags with their logo printed
on it ... so what you do is use the bag from the competitor supermarket.
a. It means you can't get accused of not paying for the bag.
b. It annoys the managers, which is a bonus. :-)
That's what the store I frequent does - they charge $ 0.35 apiece for
these bags (I have a dozen or so of these though I keep a couple for
library use as they're easily able to handle 8-10 books.
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of theirYesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and >>>>>>>> they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new >>>> food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >>>> varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with >>> a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for
food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, >vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >varieties of food poisoning.
One of the department stores here switched to "biodegradable" plastic
bags for a while, but the things were useless. If they didn't rip
before you even got to the car, they would quickly fall apart when you
try to use them for storing stuff in the cupbaord. :-( Now they use
paper bags, which are good for storing stuff, but are more difficult to
store empty because they, unlike the proper plastic bags.
Yep. In five years time they'll be complaing about all the cloth bags
filling up landfill garbage dumps, clogging streams (thanks to lazy
people just dumping them), unable to be recycled (because of dyes or
simply not financially worth it), etc. etc.
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Nyssa, who thinks that these things go in cycles and
right now the cycle is plastic bad and in a couple of
years it will be something else is even worse
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com>
wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish
attendant
if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and >>>>>>>>> they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put
new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >>>>> varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more >>>> readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe
with
a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist. >>>
food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who cares, right? All it does is add to the legacy of mankind collective being a
bunch of stupid bastards so what's big deal if we watch our entire
planet go down the toilet? MAGA level stupid.
On 3/3/2024 11:52 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 10:31 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/3/2024 8:25 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:You have WAY too much free time. :P
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I'm retired, and knit while I watch tv. They don't take much time
anyway, maybe a couple hours.
Well, for a long time I made do with free promotional cloth bags from a
local store plus a couple similar bags given away by local businesses.
I think only one of them wore out on me. A few years ago I bought a
couple of 9"x12"x16" insulated fabric/cloth bags and use those. I
rarely need to use more than one for a given shopping trip and never
more than both of them.
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>>>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and >>>>>>>>> they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new >>>>> food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >>>>> varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more >>>> readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with >>>> a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist. >>>
food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who cares,
right?
no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Yeah, you're sppsd to put them in a washing machine after every use or two.
trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, >>>>>> vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put >>>>>> new food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of
exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more >>>>> readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe
with a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to >>>>> resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for >>>> food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who cares,
right?
How the fuck is my cat's poop bag going to end up in the ocean? It goes in >the dumpster, which is then emptied into a truck that takes it to a
landfill. It goes nowhere near the ocean.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Yeah, you're sppsd to put them in a washing machine after every use or
two.
Which cancels out whatever environmental benefit they supposedly have. The >water use and detergent added to the drainage is far worse for the >environment than a plastic bag sitting in a landfill.
On 3/4/2024 4:41 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>>>>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, >>>>>> vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new >>>>>> food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >>>>>> varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more >>>>> readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe
with a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to >>>>> resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for >>>> food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who cares,
right? All it does is add to the legacy of mankind collective being a
bunch of stupid bastards so what's big deal if we watch our entire
planet go down the toilet? MAGA level stupid.
Well, I'm open to that argument...
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 3/3/2024 11:52 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 10:31 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/3/2024 8:25 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/3/2024 6:43 AM, Nyssa wrote:You have WAY too much free time. :P
BTR1701 wrote:I knit mine. They're also washable.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig
<never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same
grocery store I mentioned
earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down
to cough. At the self
checkout, there were no plastic bags. El zippo, none,
nada, zilch. So I asked
the 20-something-ish attendant if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the
environment and they've now
banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember
when the environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags
over paper because we had to save
the trees. Then again, that's also when they were
apoplectic about the coming
Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story
and stick with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
one of their cloth bags but will otherwise put everything
into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages
food (meat, vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then
goes rancid and you put new food into the bag on a
subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting varieties
of food poisoning.
Agreed.
One grocery store was selling sort-of cloth bags made
out of recycled plastic material. The first time I used
one, it split down the side, and I ended up having to
crawl under parked cars to retrieve my canned goods. Those
bags are now only used in the house to store and organize
lightweight stuff in the closets.
Another grocery store sold good quality canvas bags
that were made in a sheltered workshop. Twenty years
later, they're still good, sturdy bags, but I only
use them for heavier items such as the canned goods
and boxed items, not meats or other potentially leaky
stuff.
I've washed and dried (washed by hand and hung to dry)
the canvas ones several times over the years and they've
held up perfectly.
Suzeeq's idea of making your own is also good as long
as you can find the fabric that is both sturdy and
washable.
I'm retired, and knit while I watch tv. They don't take much time
anyway, maybe a couple hours.
Well, for a long time I made do with free promotional cloth bags from a
local store plus a couple similar bags given away by local businesses.
I think only one of them wore out on me. A few years ago I bought a
couple of 9"x12"x16" insulated fabric/cloth bags and use those. I
rarely need to use more than one for a given shopping trip and never
more than both of them.
Yeah, I got some insulated ones from the Amazon. The stores stopped selling them here years ago. And the nice checkout ladies always double wrap my
meat in the plastic bags before they put them into my insulated cloth bags.
The world is just doomed isn’t it?
On 2024-03-04 16:23:07 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/4/2024 4:41 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>,
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, >>>>>>> vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and youInteresting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags. >>>>>>>Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish >>>>>>>>>>> attendant
if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment >>>>>>>>>>> and they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper
because we
had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer. >>>>>>>>>>>
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
put new food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all
sorts of exciting varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs
more
readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty
safe with a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would
seem to resist.
The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for >>>>> food.
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who
cares, right? All it does is add to the legacy of mankind collective
being a bunch of stupid bastards so what's big deal if we watch our
entire planet go down the toilet? MAGA level stupid.
Well, I'm open to that argument...
There are simply far far too many humans on the planet ... it makes no difference what we do or don't do, everything will always only cause
further problems.
Even better, if you've got some fo the supermarket's old plastic bags
with their logo printed on, use those instead and really annoy the
managers and other shoppers seeing you leaving the store with those
will complain to them about how the supermarket isn't supposed to be
using plastic bags any more :-)
trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
On 3/3/24 3:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/3/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <17b959553b32ceb2$2310$3015764$c0d58a68@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2024 8:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:The difference is that you don't reuse a plastic bag, at least not for >>>> food.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/2/2024 4:42 PM, trotsky wrote:
On 3/1/24 5:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their >>>>>>> cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.Yesterday I went to the grocery store-- the same grocery store I >>>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier where the maskhole kept pulling her mask down >>>>>>>>>> to cough. At the self checkout, there were no plastic bags. El >>>>>>>>>> zippo, none, nada, zilch. So I asked the 20-something-ish attendant >>>>>>>>>> if they were out.
He said proudly, "No, sir. Von's is saving the environment and >>>>>>>>>> they've
now banned plastic bags."
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I vividly remember when the >>>>>>>>>> environmentalist whackos pushed plastic bags over paper because we >>>>>>>>>> had to save the trees. Then again, that's also when they were >>>>>>>>>> apoplectic about the coming Ice Age and the ozone layer.
Can't these weasels pick one armageddon crisis story and stick >>>>>>>>>> with it?
I have now run out of desk upon which to bang my head.
What an incredibly stupid time in history this is.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat, >>>>>> vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new >>>>>> food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting >>>>>> varieties of food poisoning.
Ironically, and last I heard, plastic cutting-boards spread germs more >>>>> readily than wooden ones. Accordingly, I figure you're pretty safe with >>>>> a cloth bag that you let dry, which plastics bags would seem to resist. >>>>
(They're great for managing a cat's litter box, I've found.)
They're great for managing a dog's litter lawn, too.
Sure and when they end up in the ocean and kill marine life who cares,
right?
How the fuck is my cat's poop bag going to end up in the ocean? It goes in the dumpster, which is then emptied into a truck that takes it to a
landfill. It goes nowhere near the ocean.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 16:57:53 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
Interesting. At Publix they keep pushing people to buy one of their
cloth bags but will otherwise put everything into plastic bags.
Those reusable cloth bags spread disease. When packages food (meat,
vegetables, etc.) leak into the cloth, then goes rancid and you put new
food into the bag on a subsequent trip, you risk all sorts of exciting
varieties of food poisoning.
Yeah, you're sppsd to put them in a washing machine after every use or two.
Which cancels out whatever environmental benefit they supposedly have. The water use and detergent added to the drainage is far worse for the environment than a plastic bag sitting in a landfill.
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