Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldn’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances” to push ahead with an appeal New York state’s $454 million civil fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property owners means he faces significant losses in his
real estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options.
He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least
110% of the amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To
get an appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney Alina Habba said
in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to seize TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on time. Brutal Market
Making matters worse is a brutal market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote
work trend that started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand
for office space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January,
according to real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been
forced to accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building located
near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40 Wall St.,
was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one of the great
real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at
$540 million, according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data.
That has since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump
also owes $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation
suit against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100 million
bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing that the
judgment against him was “more than adequately secured” without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast ownership interests in New York real estate” was sufficient to ensure he’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be “removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court filing, Trump’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan, his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a letter to
the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in the case, including his
two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr. Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,” James said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr. Trump’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount
of the judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize Trump’s assets if he doesn’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential target in a
recent interview with ABC News. Habba, Trump’s attorney, criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now.
But the former president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any response
by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule any time
after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she tells me that the market is
circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of his properties.
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property Slump >>
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldn’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the prospect of >> having to sell property to cover a massive verdict against him. The former >> president said in a court filing Wednesday he may soon need “to raise
capital under exigent circumstances” to push ahead with an appeal New York >> state’s $454 million civil fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for >> many commercial property owners means he faces significant losses in his
real estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options.
He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least
110% of the amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To
get an appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets for
months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to put the
verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a
financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to
recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no means to
recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney Alina Habba said
in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney General Letitia James has made >> clear that sheÂ’s prepared to seize TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the >> verdict or post an appeals bond on time. Brutal Market
Making matters worse is a brutal market for many commercial real estate
owners. Property values plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote
work trend that started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand
for office space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January,
according to real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t
immediately respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been
forced to accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
office tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building located
near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less than its price >> five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from New
York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40 Wall St.,
was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one of the great
real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at
$540 million, according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data.
That has since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index
estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s >> hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the
verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former
president had misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump
also owes $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation
suit against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more >> than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough >> to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the
back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100 million
bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing that the
judgment against him was “more than adequately secured” without posting a >> full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast ownership interests in New York >> real estate” was sufficient to ensure he’ll pay the fine if his appeal
failed. After all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street
cannot be “removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court >> filing, Trump’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan, his
Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National Golf Club.
‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a letter to
the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty handed if TrumpÂ’s
appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in the case, including his
two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr. Trump has insufficient liquid
assets to satisfy the judgment,” James said in the letter. “A prevailing >> plaintiff is entitled to have her award secured, and defendants have never >> demonstrated that Mr. Trump’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount >> of the judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on
time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential target in a
recent interview with ABC News. Habba, Trump’s attorney, criticized those >> remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James of “shamelessly”
threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.” >> Despite Trump’s warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court
judge in Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary
halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now.
But the former president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that >> would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any response
by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule any time
after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she tells me that the market is
circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of his properties.
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he
may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances” to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ’s $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire if
he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets
for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,”
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to
seize TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from
New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one
of the great real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had
misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have
more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ’t be enough to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was “more than
adequately secured” without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his “vast ownership interests in New York real estate” was
sufficient to ensure heÂ’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be
“removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan,
his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,” James
said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ’s attorney,
criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is
not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule
any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:urt0pb$1b06f$1@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he
may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances” to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ’s $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire if
he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets
for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,”
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to
seize TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from
New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one
of the great real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had
misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have
more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ’t be enough to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was “more than
adequately secured” without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his “vast ownership interests in New York real estate” was
sufficient to ensure heÂ’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be
“removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan,
his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,” James
said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ’s attorney,
criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is
not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule
any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
I don't care anymore if it's "politically motivated" or not. As long as >>the asshole ends up destroyed, I'm content.
Ann Coulter says Trump can help everyone by killing himself.
I don't care anymore if it's "politically motivated" or not. As long as
the asshole ends up destroyed, I'm content.
On 2024-03-01, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:urt0pb$1b06f$1@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During
Property Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
he may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances”
to push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ’s $454 million civil
fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial
property owners means he faces significant losses in his real
estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few
options. He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a
bond for at least 110% of the amount in order to put the fine on
hold while he appeals. To get an appeal bond, Trump will need to
hand over cash, sell properties or use them as collateral, tying up
most if not all of his liquid assets for months or longer. Unless
Trump can convince the appeals court to put the verdict on hold
during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a financial
squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to
recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no
means to recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney
Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney
General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal market
for many commercial real estate owners. Property values plunged as
borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that started during
the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office space. Prices
slumped 22% in the year through January, according to real estate
analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately respond to a
request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to accept
drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
from New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan
properties, 40 Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his
business hails as “one of the great real estate deals of all
time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at $540 million,
according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data. That has
since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index
estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first
time heÂ’s hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid
assets to cover the verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled
Feb. 16 that the former president had misled banks for years in
violation of New York law. Trump also owes $83.3 million to writer
E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit against him last month,
making matters even worse for the presidential candidate. In
testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more than $400 million
in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough to cover
the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the
back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100
million bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing
that the judgment against him was “more than adequately secured”
without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast
ownership interests in New York real estate” was sufficient to
ensure heÂ’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After all, he
argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be
“removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Manhattan, his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and
Trump National Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,”
James said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to
have her award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that
Mr. TrumpÂ’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ’s
attorney, criticized those remarks in her letter to the court,
accusing James of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s
assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s
warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court judge in
Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary
halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for
now. But the former president will get another shot at arguing for
a delay that would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil
fraud judgment. James will file a response to that request by March
11, with any response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court
panel could rule any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and
she tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
of his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100%
politically motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the
party affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the
consequences now.
What crime?
Was anyone harmed?
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Trump has been in the real estate business for decades so why all of a
sudden is he being prosecuted?
I think you know the answer to that one.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote inup
news:urtq9m$1gk5k$1@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-01, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:urt0pb$1b06f$1@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During
Property Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
he may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances”
to push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ’s $454 million civil
fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial
property owners means he faces significant losses in his real
estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few
options. He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a
bond for at least 110% of the amount in order to put the fine on
hold while he appeals. To get an appeal bond, Trump will need to
hand over cash, sell properties or use them as collateral, tying
marketmost if not all of his liquid assets for months or longer. Unless
Trump can convince the appeals court to put the verdict on hold
during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a financial
squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to
recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no
means to recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney
Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney
General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
duringfor many commercial real estate owners. Property values plunged as
borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that started
athe pandemic continues to cut into demand for office space. Prices
slumped 22% in the year through January, according to real estate
analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately respond to
lessrequest for comment. Many sellers have been forced to accept
drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52%
coverthan its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
from New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan
properties, 40 Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his
business hails as “one of the great real estate deals of all
time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at $540 million,
according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data. That has
since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index
estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first
time heÂ’s hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid
assets to cover the verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled
Feb. 16 that the former president had misled banks for years in
violation of New York law. Trump also owes $83.3 million to writer
E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit against him last month,
making matters even worse for the presidential candidate. In
testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more than $400 million
in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough to
inthe bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the
back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100
million bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing
that the judgment against him was “more than adequately secured”
without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast
ownership interests in New York real estate” was sufficient to
ensure heÂ’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After all, he
argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be
“removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Manhattan, his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and
Trump National Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants
thatthe case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,”
James said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to
have her award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated
civilMr. TrumpÂ’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ’s
attorney, criticized those remarks in her letter to the court,
accusing James of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s
assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s
warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court judge in
Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary
halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for
now. But the former president will get another shot at arguing for
a delay that would last throughout his legal challenge to the
Marchfraud judgment. James will file a response to that request by
reasons.11, with any response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court
panel could rule any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and
she tells me that the market is circling the drain for many
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
of his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100%
politically motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the
party affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the
consequences now.
What crime?
Multiple instances of fraud.
Was anyone harmed?
The taxpayers.
aBanks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
Trump has been in the real estate business for decades so why all of
sudden is he being prosecuted?I think the answer I know is a lot different from yours.
I think you know the answer to that one.
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldn’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances” to push ahead with an appeal New York state’s $454 million civil fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize Trump’s assets if he doesn’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on time. Brutal Market
Making matters worse is a brutal market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January,
according to real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been
forced to accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building located
near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40 Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one of the great real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data.
That has since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough
to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing that the
judgment against him was “more than adequately secured” without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast ownership interests in New York real estate” was sufficient to ensure he’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be “removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court filing, Trump’s attorney said other properties could be used for collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan, his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at Trump’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty handed if Trump’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in the case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr. Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,” James said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr. Trump’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize Trump’s assets if he doesn’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, Trump’s attorney, criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now.
But the former president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment. James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule any time
after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she tells me that the market is
circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of his properties.
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:urt0pb$1b06f$1@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he
may soon need “to raise capital under exigent circumstances” to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ’s $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire if
he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets
for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,”
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ’s prepared to
seize TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from
New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one
of the great real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had
misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have
more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ’t be enough to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was “more than
adequately secured” without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his “vast ownership interests in New York real estate” was
sufficient to ensure heÂ’ll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street cannot be
“removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan,
his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ’s appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,” James
said in the letter. “A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ’s attorney,
criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of “shamelessly” threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is
not paid quickly enough.” Despite Trump’s warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule
any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:46:35 -0000 (UTC)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property Slump >> >
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldn’t be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the prospect of >> > having to sell property to cover a massive verdict against him. The former >> > president said in a court filing Wednesday he may soon need “to raise
capital under exigent circumstances” to push ahead with an appeal New York
stateÂ’s $454 million civil fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for >> > many commercial property owners means he faces significant losses in his >> > real estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. >> > He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least >> > 110% of the amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To >> > get an appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or >> > use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets for >> > months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to put the >> > verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a
financial squeeze. If he’s forced to sell, “there would be no way to
recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no means to
recover the resulting financial losses,” Trump attorney Alina Habba said >> > in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney General Letitia James has made >> > clear that she’s prepared to seize Trump’s assets if he doesn’t pay the >> > verdict or post an appeals bond on time. Brutal Market
Making matters worse is a brutal market for many commercial real estate
owners. Property values plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote
work trend that started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand >> > for office space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January,
according to real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ’t
immediately respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been
forced to accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles >> > office tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building located
near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less than its price >> > five years ago. Read More
Trump’s $540 Million Court Loss Tests His ‘King of Debt’ Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ’t Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams ‘See No Evil, Hear No Evil’ Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from New >> > York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40 Wall St., >> > was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as “one of the great
real estate deals of all time” back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at
$540 million, according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data.
That has since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index
estimates. TrumpÂ’s filing with the appeals court was the first time heÂ’s >> > hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the
verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former
president had misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump >> > also owes $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation
suit against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more >> > than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ’s a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ’t be enough
to cover the bonds heÂ’d need to post with the court while appealing the >> > back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100 million >> > bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing that the
judgment against him was “more than adequately secured” without posting a
full bond to appeal. Trump said his “vast ownership interests in New York >> > real estate” was sufficient to ensure he’ll pay the fine if his appeal >> > failed. After all, he argued, “trophy properties” like 40 Wall Street
cannot be “removed from the jurisdiction in secret.” In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ’s attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan, his >> > Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National Golf Club. >> > ‘Insufficient’ Assets
James balked at Trump’s offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a letter to >> > the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty handed if Trump’s >> > appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in the case, including his >> > two grown sons, “all but concede that Mr. Trump has insufficient liquid >> > assets to satisfy the judgment,” James said in the letter. “A prevailing >> > plaintiff is entitled to have her award secured, and defendants have never >> > demonstrated that Mr. Trump’s liquid assets could satisfy the full amount >> > of the judgment.” James has made clear that she’s prepared to seize
TrumpÂ’s assets if he doesnÂ’t pay the verdict or post an appeals bond on >> > time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential target in a
recent interview with ABC News. Habba, Trump’s attorney, criticized those >> > remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James of “shamelessly”
threatening to seize Trump’s assets “if she is not paid quickly enough.”
Despite TrumpÂ’s warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court >> > judge in Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary >> > halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now.
But the former president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that >> > would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any response >> > by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule any time
after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she tells me that the market is
circling the drain for many reasons.
Real Estate markets go up and down, and most people
who are selling so they can buy are mostly moving
horizontally, so it's the speculators who tend to
incur the most risk during downward trends.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of his properties.
He keeps claiming to be a genius, but apparently he
failed to protect his real estate assets like most
super-wealthy people seem to know how to do (or to
hire the right tax accountants to help them do it).
Why didn't he protect his real estate assets like
most super-wealthy people seem to do? Did his ego
get in the way, or was he just lazy or cheap?
At any rate, it really should have waited a while
before committing his crimes, and timed is so that
the $454,000,000 court judgement would have occured
during better real estate market conditions. (Why
didn't he plan the commissions of his crimes to
match the better real estate markets? For the same
reason the courts don't time their cases for better
real estate markets -- they process cases as soon
as court resource availability make it possible.)
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
Oh, is that what's going on? Are you implying that
the courts, many of which are stacked with Judges
appointed by the Pence-Trump regime, are corrupt?
But I thought they were all affiliated with the
Republicans, so how can they possibly be corrupt?
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:28:21 -0800, Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:46:35 -0000 (UTC)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
Oh, is that what's going on? Are you implying that
the courts, many of which are stacked with Judges
appointed by the Pence-Trump regime, are corrupt?
But I thought they were all affiliated with the
Republicans, so how can they possibly be corrupt?
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on competency. This is so
deeply ingrained into American business and government that even when one *tries* to
promote based on loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
On 2024-03-02, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:28:21 -0800, Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:46:35 -0000 (UTC)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
Oh, is that what's going on? Are you implying that
the courts, many of which are stacked with Judges
appointed by the Pence-Trump regime, are corrupt?
But I thought they were all affiliated with the
Republicans, so how can they possibly be corrupt?
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on competency. This is so
deeply ingrained into American business and government that even when one *tries* to
promote based on loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:58:36 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on competency. This is so
deeply ingrained into American business and government that even when one *tries* to
promote based on loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Yet you still want to elect him KNOWING he's going to staff the Executive department with
unqualified loyalists if he can.
Why do you want to see America get into so much trouble? Are you hoping for a 21st
Century world war in your lifetime? Or just to leave to your kids to deal with?
Swill
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:56:04 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
Don't you find it unusual that all of a sudden the attacks on Trump began as he entered politics?
I don't.
Neither do I. The big dogs chased him under the porch and there he should stay.
Swill
On 3/2/2024 3:58 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-03-02, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:28:21 -0800, Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:46:35 -0000 (UTC)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
Oh, is that what's going on? Are you implying that
the courts, many of which are stacked with Judges
appointed by the Pence-Trump regime, are corrupt?
But I thought they were all affiliated with the
Republicans, so how can they possibly be corrupt?
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on competency. This is so
deeply ingrained into American business and government that even when one *tries* to
promote based on loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Not of "character," because Trump has none. He's a poor judge of who will be a
blindly loyal toady who will do whatever he tells them to do and to hell with the legality of it.
Everyone he fired during his failure of an administration was someone who was trying to obey the law and the Constitution, rather than do the illegal things
Trump wanted them to do.
In article <6ts7ui9jai3g14atjs3gk9rrrl9jmooart@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:56:04 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
Don't you find it unusual that all of a sudden the attacks on Trump began as he entered politics?
I don't.
Neither do I. The big dogs chased him under the porch and there he should stay.
Swill
Yet he's out in public more than any of them.
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <6ts7ui9jai3g14atjs3gk9rrrl9jmooart@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:56:04 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
Don't you find it unusual that all of a sudden the attacks on Trump began as he entered politics?
I don't.
Neither do I. The big dogs chased him under the porch and there he should stay.
Swill
Yet he's out in public more than any of them.
The other day Trump did 2 major rallies in a single day. Each about 1.5 hrs long.
Joe Biden can't even manage to talk for 5 minutes reading off his cheat sheets.
So what does the left wing media focus on?
Trump confusing Obama for Joe Biden.
Big deal.
They don't mention the fact that Joe Biden confused his 2 wars claiming the US was dropping
humanitarian aide for Ukraine instead of Gaza.
And this idiot has his finger on the button?
The demented fucker will probably nuke the USA.
In article <uns7uitgvh2vp4cdjs5ag3j3l78uppml0r@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:58:36 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on
competency. This is so deeply ingrained into American business
and government that even when one *tries* to promote based on
loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Yet you still want to elect him KNOWING he's going to staff the
Executive department with unqualified loyalists if he can.
Proof.
Why do you want to see America get into so much trouble? Are you
hoping for a 21st Century world war in your lifetime? Or just to
leave to your kids to deal with?
Biden is working toward it. These wars wouldn't be happening if Trump
was in office.
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday he
may soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire if
he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid assets
for months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to
seize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers from
New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one
of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president had
misled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to have
more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than
adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in Manhattan,
his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â" James
said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's attorney,
criticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is
not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could rule
any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale of
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During
Property Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
he may soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ"
to push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil
fraud verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial
property owners means he faces significant losses in his real
estate empire if he unloads assets. The billionaire has few
options. He must pay the full judgment by March 25 or arrange a
bond for at least 110% of the amount in order to put the fine on
hold while he appeals. To get an appeal bond, Trump will need to
hand over cash, sell properties or use them as collateral, tying up
most if not all of his liquid assets for months or longer. Unless
Trump can convince the appeals court to put the verdict on hold
during his entire appeal, he could find himself in a financial
squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there would be no way to
recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no
means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â" Trump attorney
Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York Attorney
General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal market
for many commercial real estate owners. Property values plunged as
borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that started during
the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office space. Prices
slumped 22% in the year through January, according to real estate
analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately respond to a
request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to accept
drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles office
tower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
from New York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan
properties, 40 Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his
business hails as Â"one of the great real estate deals of all
timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015, it was valued at $540 million,
according to commercial mortgage-backed securities data. That has
since fallen to $270 million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index
estimates. TrumpÂ's filing with the appeals court was the first
time heÂ's hinted publicly that he may not have enough liquid
assets to cover the verdict in the fraud case, where a judge ruled
Feb. 16 that the former president had misled banks for years in
violation of New York law. Trump also owes $83.3 million to writer
E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit against him last month,
making matters even worse for the presidential candidate. In
testimony last year, Trump claimed to have more than $400 million
in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it wouldnÂ't be enough to cover
the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the court while appealing the
back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed posting a smaller $100
million bond while he appeals the New York fraud verdict, arguing
that the judgment against him was Â"more than adequately securedÂ"
without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump said his Â"vast
ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was sufficient to
ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After all, he
argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Manhattan, his Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and
Trump National Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â"
James said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to
have her award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that
Mr. TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
attorney, criticized those remarks in her letter to the court,
accusing James of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's
assets Â"if she is not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's
warnings about his financial condition, an appeals court judge in
Manhattan denied his emergency request Wednesday for a temporary
halt to enforcement of the verdict in the fraud case, at least for
now. But the former president will get another shot at arguing for
a delay that would last throughout his legal challenge to the civil
fraud judgment. James will file a response to that request by March
11, with any response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court
panel could rule any time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and
she tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
of his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100%
politically motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the
party affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the
consequences now.
What crime?
Multiple instances of fraud.
Was anyone harmed?
The taxpayers.
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
Trump has been in the real estate business for decades so why all of aI think the answer I know is a lot different from yours.
sudden is he being prosecuted?
I think you know the answer to that one.
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Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much in
liquid assets.
But hey if I demanded a $20,000 cash bond from you, would you have to
make arrangements to raise the money, even if your value is worth much
more.
Bail Bondsman exist for a reason. Most people don't have those kind of
funds in cash.
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
ifmay soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire
assetshe unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid
tofor months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared
officeseize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
fromtower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
hadNew York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one
of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president
havemisled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to
Manhattan,more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than
adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Jameshis Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â"
attorney,said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
rulecriticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is
not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could
ofany time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
What crime? Who was the victim? How were they harmed?
In article <AO1FN.357948$q3F7.160175@fx45.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
On 3/2/2024 3:58 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2024-03-02, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 09:28:21 -0800, Randolf Richardson ???
<randolf@canadianatheists.ca>
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:46:35 -0000 (UTC)
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically motivated and
it should concern everyone no
matter the party affiliation.
Oh, is that what's going on? Are you implying that
the courts, many of which are stacked with Judges
appointed by the Pence-Trump regime, are corrupt?
But I thought they were all affiliated with the
Republicans, so how can they possibly be corrupt?
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on
competency. This is so
deeply ingrained into American business and government that even when
one *tries* to
promote based on loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Not of "character," because Trump has none. He's a poor judge of who will
be a
blindly loyal toady who will do whatever he tells them to do and to hell
with
the legality of it.
Everyone he fired during his failure of an administration was someone who
was
trying to obey the law and the Constitution, rather than do the illegal
things
Trump wanted them to do.
LIke what?
I don't care anymore if it's "politically motivated" or not. As long as >>the asshole ends up destroyed, I'm content.
Ann Coulter says Trump can help everyone by killing himself.
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In article <uns7uitgvh2vp4cdjs5ag3j3l78uppml0r@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:58:36 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on
competency. This is so deeply ingrained into American business
and government that even when one *tries* to promote based on
loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Yet you still want to elect him KNOWING he's going to staff the
Executive department with unqualified loyalists if he can.
Proof.
tRump said so. He's looking for Loyalty and not qualifications.
Why do you want to see America get into so much trouble? Are you
hoping for a 21st Century world war in your lifetime? Or just to
leave to your kids to deal with?
Biden is working toward it. These wars wouldn't be happening if Trump
was in office.
tRump says Biden (or is it Obama) will start WW2 (not WW3)
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property >>>> Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
ifmay soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud >>>> verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire
assetshe unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the >>>> amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid
tofor months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to >>>> put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared
officeseize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal >>>> market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
fromtower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
hadNew York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one >>>> of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing >>>> with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that >>>> he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president
havemisled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes >>>> $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to
Manhattan,more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than >>>> adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After >>>> all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Jameshis Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â"
attorney,said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her >>>> award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
rulecriticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is
not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could
ofany time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
What crime? Who was the victim? How were they harmed?
For a list of NY crimes:
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_- _final.pdf
=============
The president?s federal income tax records, obtained by The New York
Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have
forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast majority was related to the Chicago project.
How Mr. Trump found trouble in Chicago, and maneuvered his way out of it,
is a case study in doing business the Trump way.
When the project encountered problems, he tried to walk away from his
huge debts. For most individuals or businesses, that would have been a
recipe for ruin. But tax-return data, other records and interviews show
that rather than warring with a notoriously litigious and headline-
seeking client, lenders cut Mr. Trump slack ? exactly what he seemed to
have been counting on.
Big banks and hedge funds gave him years of extra time to repay his
debts. Even after Mr. Trump sued his largest lender, accusing it of
preying on him, the bank agreed to lend him another $99 million ? more
than twice as much as was previously known ? so that he could pay back
what he still owed the bank on the defaulted Chicago loan, records show.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html
Ultimately, Mr. Trump?s lenders forgave much of what he owed.
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Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.404fbec1628f0f2f9920aa@usnews.blocknews.net:
https://www.bidenomics.com/
In article <uns7uitgvh2vp4cdjs5ag3j3l78uppml0r@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 23:58:36 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
The problem is, in our American tradition, we promote based on
competency. This is so deeply ingrained into American business
and government that even when one *tries* to promote based on
loyalty, it backfires.
Swill
Not always.
Have you ever heard the saying "incompetency rises to the top" ?
AKA "The Peter Principle".
I've stated many times that Trump is a poor judge of character.
Yet you still want to elect him KNOWING he's going to staff the
Executive department with unqualified loyalists if he can.
Proof.
tRump said so. He's looking for Loyalty and not qualifications.
So no proof.
Why do you want to see America get into so much trouble? Are you
hoping for a 21st Century world war in your lifetime? Or just to
leave to your kids to deal with?
Biden is working toward it. These wars wouldn't be happening if Trump
was in office.
tRump says Biden (or is it Obama) will start WW2 (not WW3)
Who cares? You are playing with words again.
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
ifmay soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud >> >>>> verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire
he unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pahttps://www.bidenomics.com/y
assetsfull judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid
tofor months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Ă‚"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared
officeseize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
fromtower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
hadNew York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one >> >>>> of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing >> >>>> with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that >> >>>> he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president
havemisled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to
Manhattan,more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than >> >>>> adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After >> >>>> all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be >> >>>> Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Jameshis Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Ă‚"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Ă‚"
attorney,said in the letter. Ă‚"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her >> >>>> award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
rulecriticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is >> >>>> not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could
ofany time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
What crime? Who was the victim? How were they harmed?
For a list of NY crimes:
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-
_final.pdf
=============
The president?s federal income tax records, obtained by The New York
Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have
forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast
majority was related to the Chicago project.
How Mr. Trump found trouble in Chicago, and maneuvered his way out of it,
is a case study in doing business the Trump way.
When the project encountered problems, he tried to walk away from his
huge debts. For most individuals or businesses, that would have been a
recipe for ruin. But tax-return data, other records and interviews show
that rather than warring with a notoriously litigious and headline-
seeking client, lenders cut Mr. Trump slack ? exactly what he seemed to
have been counting on.
Big banks and hedge funds gave him years of extra time to repay his
debts. Even after Mr. Trump sued his largest lender, accusing it of
preying on him, the bank agreed to lend him another $99 million ? more
than twice as much as was previously known ? so that he could pay back
what he still owed the bank on the defaulted Chicago loan, records show.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html
Ultimately, Mr. Trump?s lenders forgave much of what he owed.
He payed it all back on time and with interest. There was no victim.
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Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
==========
The day Donald Trump left the White House, his business was facing $900 million of debt coming due in the next four years. Working through those loans would have been a significant undertaking for any firm, but the
Trump Organization was contending with additional challenges. Deutsche
Bank, Trump's longtime lender, was reportedly looking to end its
relationship with the real estate mogul. Two other financial
institutions, Signature Bank and Professional Bank, had spread the word
that they were cutting ties in the wake of January 6, 2021. Meanwhile,
the Manhattan district attorney was getting close to charging the Trump Organization with a series of financial crimes, including falsifying
business records, conspiracy and fraud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html ===========
IOW you have no idea why he can't raise bond - and are just blustering
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much in
liquid assets.
But hey if I demanded a $20,000 cash bond from you, would you have to
make arrangements to raise the money, even if your value is worth much
more.
Bail Bondsman exist for a reason. Most people don't have those kind of
funds in cash.
hoping someone will ignore the question.
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Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
==========
The day Donald Trump left the White House, his business was
facing $900
million of debt coming due in the next four years. Working
through those
loans would have been a significant undertaking for any firm,
but the
Trump Organization was contending with additional challenges.
Deutsche
Bank, Trump's longtime lender, was reportedly looking to end its
relationship with the real estate mogul. Two other financial
institutions, Signature Bank and Professional Bank, had spread
the word
that they were cutting ties in the wake of January 6, 2021.
Meanwhile,
the Manhattan district attorney was getting close to charging
the Trump
Organization with a series of financial crimes, including
falsifying
business records, conspiracy and fraud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html
===========
IOW you have no idea why he can't raise bond - and are just
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that
much in
liquid assets.
But hey if I demanded a $20,000 cash bond from you, would you
have to
make arrangements to raise the money, even if your value is
worth much
more.
Bail Bondsman exist for a reason. Most people don't have those
kind of
funds in cash.
blustering
hoping someone will ignore the question.
I understand that no one has over $100 million in cash.. NO one.
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much
in liquid assets.
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property >>>>> Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
ifmay soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud >>>>> verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire
assetshe unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the >>>>> amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid
tofor months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to >>>>> put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared
officeseize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal >>>>> market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
fromtower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
hadNew York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one >>>>> of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing >>>>> with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that >>>>> he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president
havemisled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes >>>>> $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to
Manhattan,more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than >>>>> adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After >>>>> all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Jameshis Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â"
attorney,said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her >>>>> award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
rulecriticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is
not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could
ofany time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
What crime? Who was the victim? How were they harmed?
For a list of NY crimes:
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-_final.pdf
=============
The president's federal income tax records, obtained by The New York
Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have
forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast majority was related to the Chicago project.
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On 2024-03-01, B. T. F. <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
Fat Luser Trump Warns of Big Losses From Asset Sales During Property
Slump
Ex-president needs to satisfy $454 million court judgment
Trump seeks to halt payment during appeal of NY fraud verdict
The timing couldnÂ't be worse for Donald Trump as he faces the
prospect of having to sell property to cover a massive verdict
against him. The former president said in a court filing Wednesday
ifmay soon need Â"to raise capital under exigent circumstancesÂ" to
push ahead with an appeal New York stateÂ's $454 million civil fraud
verdict against him. A brutal market for many commercial property
owners means he faces significant losses in his real estate empire
assetshe unloads assets. The billionaire has few options. He must pay the
full judgment by March 25 or arrange a bond for at least 110% of the
amount in order to put the fine on hold while he appeals. To get an
appeal bond, Trump will need to hand over cash, sell properties or
use them as collateral, tying up most if not all of his liquid
tofor months or longer. Unless Trump can convince the appeals court to
put the verdict on hold during his entire appeal, he could find
himself in a financial squeeze. If heÂ's forced to sell, Â"there
would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful
appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses,Â"
Trump attorney Alina Habba said in the filing. Meanwhile, New York
Attorney General Letitia James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared
officeseize TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an
appeals bond on time. Brutal Market Making matters worse is a brutal
market for many commercial real estate owners. Property values
plunged as borrowing costs rose, and the remote work trend that
started during the pandemic continues to cut into demand for office
space. Prices slumped 22% in the year through January, according to
real estate analytics firm Green Street. Habba didnÂ't immediately
respond to a request for comment. Many sellers have been forced to
accept drastically lower prices. The Aon Center, a Los Angeles
fromtower, recently sold for $147.8 million, about 45% less than its
previous purchase price in 2014. A Los Angeles office building
located near Century City and Beverly Hills sold for about 52% less
than its price five years ago. Read More
TrumpÂ's $540 Million Court Loss Tests His Â'King of DebtÂ' Claim
Trump Owes $112,000 for Every Day He DoesnÂ't Pay Fraud Fine (1)
Trump Trial Judge Slams Â'See No Evil, Hear No EvilÂ' Testimony
The Trump Organization owns or invests in multiple office towers
hadNew York to San Francisco. One of its key Manhattan properties, 40
Wall St., was purchased by Trump in what his business hails as Â"one
of the great real estate deals of all timeÂ" back in 1995. In 2015,
it was valued at $540 million, according to commercial
mortgage-backed securities data. That has since fallen to $270
million, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index estimates. TrumpÂ's filing
with the appeals court was the first time heÂ's hinted publicly that
he may not have enough liquid assets to cover the verdict in the
fraud case, where a judge ruled Feb. 16 that the former president
havemisled banks for years in violation of New York law. Trump also owes
$83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a defamation suit
against him last month, making matters even worse for the
presidential candidate. In testimony last year, Trump claimed to
Manhattan,more than $400 million in cash. While thatÂ's a hefty sum, it
wouldnÂ't be enough to cover the bonds heÂ'd need to post with the
court while appealing the back-to-back verdicts. Trump has proposed
posting a smaller $100 million bond while he appeals the New York
fraud verdict, arguing that the judgment against him was Â"more than
adequately securedÂ" without posting a full bond to appeal. Trump
said his Â"vast ownership interests in New York real estateÂ" was
sufficient to ensure heÂ'll pay the fine if his appeal failed. After
all, he argued, Â"trophy propertiesÂ" like 40 Wall Street cannot be
Â"removed from the jurisdiction in secret.Â" In the appeals court
filing, TrumpÂ's attorney said other properties could be used for
collateral, including Trump Tower and Trump Park Avenue in
Jameshis Seven Springs estate outside New York City, and Trump National
Golf Club. Â'InsufficientÂ' Assets
James balked at TrumpÂ's offer for a smaller bond, arguing in a
letter to the appeals court that risked leaving the state empty
handed if TrumpÂ's appeal failed. Trump and the other defendants in
the case, including his two grown sons, Â"all but concede that Mr.
Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment,Â"
attorney,said in the letter. Â"A prevailing plaintiff is entitled to have her
award secured, and defendants have never demonstrated that Mr.
TrumpÂ's liquid assets could satisfy the full amount of the
judgment.Â" James has made clear that sheÂ's prepared to seize
TrumpÂ's assets if he doesnÂ't pay the verdict or post an appeals
bond on time, mentioning 40 Wall Street explicitly as a potential
target in a recent interview with ABC News. Habba, TrumpÂ's
rulecriticized those remarks in her letter to the court, accusing James
of Â"shamelesslyÂ" threatening to seize TrumpÂ's assets Â"if she is
not paid quickly enough.Â" Despite TrumpÂ's warnings about his
financial condition, an appeals court judge in Manhattan denied his
emergency request Wednesday for a temporary halt to enforcement of
the verdict in the fraud case, at least for now. But the former
president will get another shot at arguing for a delay that would
last throughout his legal challenge to the civil fraud judgment.
James will file a response to that request by March 11, with any
response by Trump due March 18. A full appeals court panel could
ofany time after that.
A friend of mine is a commercial real estate appraiser in NYC and she
tells me that the market is circling the drain for many reasons.
This would be the absolute worst time for Trump to have a fire sale
his properties. This full frontal attack on Trump is 100% politically
motivated and it should concern everyone no matter the party
affiliation.
If tRump hadn't done the crime, he wouldn't be facing the consequences
now.
What crime? Who was the victim? How were they harmed?
For a list of NY crimes:
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_release_properties_addendum_-
_final.pdf
=============
The president?s federal income tax records, obtained by The New York
Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have
forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast
majority was related to the Chicago project.
How Mr. Trump found trouble in Chicago, and maneuvered his way out of it,
is a case study in doing business the Trump way.
When the project encountered problems, he tried to walk away from his
huge debts. For most individuals or businesses, that would have been a
recipe for ruin. But tax-return data, other records and interviews show
that rather than warring with a notoriously litigious and headline-
seeking client, lenders cut Mr. Trump slack ? exactly what he seemed to
have been counting on.
Big banks and hedge funds gave him years of extra time to repay his
debts. Even after Mr. Trump sued his largest lender, accusing it of
preying on him, the bank agreed to lend him another $99 million ? more
than twice as much as was previously known ? so that he could pay back
what he still owed the bank on the defaulted Chicago loan, records show.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html
Ultimately, Mr. Trump?s lenders forgave much of what he owed.
He payed it all back on time and with interest. There was no victim.
Scout wrote:
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much
in liquid assets.
No.
Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:us5sfq$3ear2$1@dont- email.me:
Scout wrote:
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much
in liquid assets.
No.
tRump is being treated just like any other lawbreaker.
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Scout wrote:
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much
in liquid assets.
No.
tRump is being treated just like any other lawbreaker.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche -bank.html>
'Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:us5sfq$3ear2$1@dont- email.me:
Scout wrote:
Banks loved working with Trump and still do.
Then why is he having a problem coming up with the bond?
It's being demanded in cash, and the wealthy rarely have that much
in liquid assets.
No.
tRump is being treated just like any other lawbreaker.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche -bank.html>
'Trump�s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
In article <us7eg5$3r19c$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deuts
che -bank.html>
'Trump�s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect
Loans
He paid them back with interest, No victim.
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4050ec26bda6263b9920e4@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <us7eg5$3r19c$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deuts
che -bank.html>
'Trumpâ??s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect
Loans
He paid them back with interest, No victim.
IOW you do not understand the word "forgive"!
He DID NOT pay back the loans with interest. He defaulted, he declared bankrupcy.
=========
CHICAGO (CBS) -- President Donald Trump's lenders have forgiven around
$287 million in debt that he didn't pay back, and most of it was related
to Chicago's Trump Tower, according to a New York Times report released Tuesday.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/new-york-times-report-president- trump-got-much-of-his-debt-forgiven-after-defaulting-on-loans-for- chicago-trump-tower/
==========
No victims?
==================
Trump is notorious for leaving a trail of unpaid bills wherever he goes. Hundreds of people have accused him of failing to pay them for services, ranging from a glass company in New Jersey to workers at his resorts,
real estate brokers, and even law firms who represented him in suits for unpaid bills.
In his 2004 book Trump: Think Like a Billionaire, the former president instructed readers to ?always question invoices.? But it sounds like his personal approach is more ?Just ignore invoices.? He has been sued for failing to pay dozens of vendors who have worked his resort properties as well as his now-defunct, fraudulent university.
https://newrepublic.com/post/173722/donald-trump-long-long-history-not- picking-check
See also:
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike- kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built- taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche
-bank.html>
'Trumpâ?Ts Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4050ec26bda6263b9920e4@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <us7eg5$3r19c$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deuts
che -bank.html>
'Trump�s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect
Loans
He paid them back with interest, No victim.
IOW you do not understand the word "forgive"!
He DID NOT pay back the loans with interest. He defaulted, he declared bankrupcy.
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4050ec26bda6263b9920e4@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <us7eg5$3r19c$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deuts
che -bank.html>
'Trump�s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect
Loans
He paid them back with interest, No victim.
IOW you do not understand the word "forgive"!
He DID NOT pay back the loans with interest. He defaulted, he declared bankrupcy.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 13:37:12 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision.
This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche-bank.html>
'TrumpÂ’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
Why must you constantly be FORCED to cite your claims?
This was about Deutsche bank. What other banks were involved?
Swill
"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:us7eg5$3r19c$3@dont-email.me...
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:us7767$3pfqh$2@dont-email.me:
On 2024-03-05, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:Really?! Having to forgive those loans is "not affecting" them?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 23:20:22 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-04, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <us5h9s$3cd2r$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
The banks have their own appraisers which are the final decision. >>>>>This entire suit is a sham.
The prosecutions witnesses, the banks, backed Trump.
Really? The banks got up in open court and defended Trump?
Cite it, liar.
Swill
<https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche
-bank.html>
'Trumpâ?Ts Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
Depends on who the loans were issued to. I suspect NONE of them were
personal loans to Mr. Trump.
Meanwhile, how about the Billions of dollars in loan forgiveness Biden has had issued?
All those people criminals?
According to your reasoning, they should all be headed to jail now.
Careful how you answer because that's 3.9 Million people you would accuse of criminal misconduct.
Further those were PERSONAL loans, for which they were personally liable
for.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this amount of transaction.
Although I wonder why his properties were not shielded under a trust?
Maybe they are, but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be anymore careful with
ours?
Swill
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
And you want to give the Treasury to tRump?!!
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
Baxter wrote:
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not >>>> shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
To be fair DOn Fatso can get rid of loans with bankruptcy. Student
loans can't.
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>, governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
And you want to give the Treasury to tRump?!!
"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Which personal loans to Trump were forgiven?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
If they paid back the original loan with all interest owed they they
wouldn't still owe on the loan.
What you mean to say is that they were allowed to default on the loan, leaving the American taxpayer on the hook for their advanced education.
Which apparently isn't worth the effort it took to get it, or they would
have been able to pay of their student loans.
But ok, since we have established that government backed student loans are a poor investment for America.. we should demand the immediate end of government backed student loans. If they want to go to college, let them pay for it.
In article <uscplk$14t9j$2@dont-email.me>, me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Which personal loans to Trump were forgiven?
All the banks had no issues with Trumps business.
I wonder who they would blame if Trump wasn't in the picture.
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
If they paid back the original loan with all interest owed they they
wouldn't still owe on the loan.
Doh!
What you mean to say is that they were allowed to default on the loan,
leaving the American taxpayer on the hook for their advanced education.
Which apparently isn't worth the effort it took to get it, or they would
have been able to pay of their student loans.
But ok, since we have established that government backed student loans
are a
poor investment for America.. we should demand the immediate end of
government backed student loans. If they want to go to college, let them
pay
for it.
In article <uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that simple. If
the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their credit score.
In article <uscnd3$148c6$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
And you want to give the Treasury to tRump?!!
Did I say that? Why no I didn't. Trump will make those who don't pay
either pay up or be at the bottom of the help list.
Joe is handing out money to those who don't deserve it.
In article <uscndp$14ah3$1@dont-email.me>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
says...
Baxter wrote:
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
To be fair DOn Fatso can get rid of loans with bankruptcy. Student
loans can't.
To bad. Maybe if they picked something they could actually earn money at
they could do the same.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were not >> >> >shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that simple. If
the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and transcripts are erased as
if they had never attended. If contacted about such a degree, the response
is "Our records show no such student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they didn't
learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able to pay off their student loan.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for
this amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for
this amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for this
amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his properties were
not
shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, but I have not seen any
evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he be
anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans even
though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that simple. If
the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student loan
forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no longed
recognized
as having a degree and their college records and transcripts are erased
as
if they had never attended. If contacted about such a degree, the
response
is "Our records show no such student has such a degree and the record
shows
they never attended any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling it
shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they didn't
learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able to pay off
their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for
this amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
thethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back
ableoriginal loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure was
no state of the union.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for
this amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
And just like that,
Baxter wants to change the subject.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
thethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back
ableoriginal loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
If you don't care about PPP loans, why do you care about Student Loans?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure was
no state of the union.
Yeah, he knocked it out of the park.
On 3/8/2024 5:16 AM, scooter lied:
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan for >>>> >> >> >this amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back the >>>> >> original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been able >>>> to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
And just like that,
Typical empty vacuous scooter wheeze.
Baxter wants to change the subject.
No change in subject, scooter. The subject, scooter, is people repaying their loans ? *any* loans, scooter.
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
thethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back
ableoriginal loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
If you don't care about PPP loans, why do you care about Student Loans?
So you think I should have to pay off a loan that some stupid kid took
out without thinking first? Why are you shifting from the student loan
topic?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure wasYeah, he knocked it out of the park.
no state of the union.
Is that why everyone was booing him? It was a campaign speech full of
lies, nothing more.
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"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
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In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
thethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, >> >> >> >> >> >but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he >> >> >> >> >> be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans >> >> >> >> > even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about >> >> >> > Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back
ableoriginal loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student >> >> >> loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and >> >> >> transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted >> >> >> about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended >> >> >> any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling >> >> >> it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
If you don't care about PPP loans, why do you care about Student Loans?
So you think I should have to pay off a loan that some stupid kid took
out without thinking first? Why are you shifting from the student loan topic?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure wasYeah, he knocked it out of the park.
no state of the union.
Is that why everyone was booing him? It was a campaign speech full of
lies, nothing more.
This is why the younger generations are so fucked up.
They have no sense of value and responsibility.
At the same time they thing the world owes them something just because they earned that degree in
gender studies.
There is a video going viral where a Gen Z or maybe X is whining that she shouldn't have to work 8
hours a day because it interferes too much with her life.
Thank God these wimps weren't around during D- Day because we would all be speaking German today.
In article <usg2dp$1tvis$9@dont-email.me>, pothead@snakebite.com says...
On 2024-03-08, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
In article <usfbdb$1p623$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
So you think I should have to pay off a loan that some stupid kid took
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
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In article <usdvif$1g47g$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com >> >> > says...for
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In article <usd6cr$17ndk$3@dont-email.me>,
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"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
ablethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are, >> >> >> >> >> >> >but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he >> >> >> >> >> >> be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans >> >> >> >> >> > even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about >> >> >> >> > Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back >> >> the
original loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student >> >> >> >> loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and >> >> >> >> transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted >> >> >> >> about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended >> >> >> >> any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling >> >> >> >> it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
If you don't care about PPP loans, why do you care about Student Loans? >> >
out without thinking first? Why are you shifting from the student loan
topic?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure wasYeah, he knocked it out of the park.
no state of the union.
Is that why everyone was booing him? It was a campaign speech full of
lies, nothing more.
This is why the younger generations are so fucked up.
They have no sense of value and responsibility.
At the same time they thing the world owes them something just because they earned that degree in
gender studies.
There is a video going viral where a Gen Z or maybe X is whining that she shouldn't have to work 8
hours a day because it interferes too much with her life.
Thank God these wimps weren't around during D- Day because we would all be speaking German today.
I have a good friend and his son of 18 is cool but today I found out he couldn't read a watch with hands. For real.
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.4054326ef4ac92fd99212b@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <usdvif$1g47g$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.comfor
says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4053f4235f76eefd992126@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <usd6cr$17ndk$3@dont-email.me>,
me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.4053adbe39b0e2e7992108@usnews.blocknews.net...
In article <uscmtf$148c6$1@dont-email.me>,
bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.4052deaff30492b5992101@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <oobiui1uus8ae3b7hdrp7mrt7pqrpkphq9@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:10:53 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
A 'whale' like Trump would never take out a personal loan
thethis amount of transaction. Although I wonder why his
properties were not shielded under a trust? Maybe they are,
but I have not seen any evidence of it.
If Trump is that stupid about his own finances, why should he
be anymore careful with ours?
Swill
Joe seems to think we can just give it away and forgive loans
even though we're trillians in debt.
You mean like banks forgave tRump loans?
They had no complaints. Why do you always run from comments about
Joe?
Or do you mean like Student Loans where the borrower paid back
ableoriginal loan with interest but still owes more than they
borrowed?
A loan is a loan, you borrow you pay it back. It's just that
simple. If the asshats in college don't pay up then drop their
credit score.
Hey, here's an idea.. I think that everyone that had their student
loan forgiven, should have their degrees withdrawn. They are no
longed recognized as having a degree and their college records and
transcripts are erased as if they had never attended. If contacted
about such a degree, the response is "Our records show no such
student has such a degree and the record shows they never attended
any classes here.
You didn't pay, you don't get the benefits of the degree or even
acknowledgement you took the courses.
After all, if the degree is that worthless to them, then cancelling
it shouldn't cause them any issues.
I could consider how to withdraw the education, but clearly they
didn't learn enough to matter... otherwise they would have been
to pay off their student loan.
You don't pay your car loan they take your car.
How about all those Repugs that didn't repay their PPP loans?
Who cares?
If you don't care about PPP loans, why do you care about Student Loans?
Did you see Joe give his campaign speech tonight. It sure wasYeah, he knocked it out of the park.
no state of the union.
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