• Law & Order "On the Ledge" 2/29/2024 (spoilers)

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 07:17:42 2024
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    Unbelievably woke episode with an amazing defense. The writers are
    doubling down on infuriating viewers.

    Opening titles are a surprise. Tony Goldwyn is not yet in the cast.
    Price is interim D.A. Despite the massive amount of paperwork he must
    handle, he's still prosecuting cases.

    They even film the walk down the hallway with the five actors!

    Shaw finds some guy about to jump into the Hudson River and talks him
    off. In an amazing coincidence he turns out to be the bad guy.

    A black man's wife was experiencing a bad pregnancy and went into pre-eclampsia. She was taken to the hospital but the doctor failed to
    make the right diagnosis. Remember: It's never lupus and it's always pre-eclampsia. She was sent home, got worse, then died returning to the hospital.

    The husband returned to the hospital with a gun to kill the two doctors
    who failed to treat her. He killed one of the doctors and seriously
    wounded a nurse. He never found the other doctor. In a big manhunt, Shaw
    finds him and, once again, talks him out of suicide.

    The hospital was totally uncooperative in providing security footage per
    HIPAA. But Maroun talks the judge into forcing the hospital to release
    all exterior footage.

    Shouldn't Maroun have filed her motion in federal court? State court
    cannot pre-empt federal law.

    The trial is one big STOOPID after another. Price uses the doctor's
    widow as a witness; she has no evidence to offer. This allows the
    defense to badger her about statistics concerning the terrible job white doctors do with black patients. How is this relevant to the case? How
    can the doctor's widow possibly offer an opinion?

    As usual, Price sits slack jawed and does not object.

    In the middle of cross, defense changes plea to insanity! It's by reason
    of racism! Price has never heard of this.

    The defense has an expert witness! But of course.

    Maroun is convinced that the defendent really is a victim, having
    suffered through racism not seen since the Jim Crow south. Price buys
    it. They offer a plea bargain; Price offers manslaughter with a 10 year sentence. This is a gift. The defense lawyer tells the client it's a
    gift! But the client says "no", still believing that he can raise his
    son after the trial.

    You start to believe the guy is truly delusional.

    Price supoena's a reluctant Shaw to testify that it was all
    premeditated. The guy gets convicted.

    This was unbelievable crap. Much of what the writers wanted to explore
    would have been appropriate for a P.I. trial but it doesn't work in the
    context of a criminal trial. The dude wasn't temporarily insane due to
    racism but because his wife was dead due to malpractice and he wanted
    revenge REVENGE!

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Mar 1 05:05:52 2024
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
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    Unbelievably woke episode with an amazing defense. The writers are
    doubling down on infuriating viewers.

    Wow; you liked it a lot better than I did.



    Opening titles are a surprise. Tony Goldwyn is not yet in the cast.
    Price is interim D.A. Despite the massive amount of paperwork he must
    handle, he's still prosecuting cases.

    They even film the walk down the hallway with the five actors!


    Yeah, that was interesting. But we see Goldwyn in the previews for next
    week.


    Shaw finds some guy about to jump into the Hudson River and talks him
    off. In an amazing coincidence he turns out to be the bad guy.


    What are the odds? And he just lets the guy go home on his own.


    A black man's wife was experiencing a bad pregnancy and went into pre-eclampsia. She was taken to the hospital but the doctor failed to
    make the right diagnosis. Remember: It's never lupus and it's always pre-eclampsia. She was sent home, got worse, then died returning to the hospital.

    The doctor got this diagnosis wrong one time before. Therefore, he’s apparently doing it deliberately to kill Black people? I never really
    figured out what the defense was claiming.



    The husband returned to the hospital with a gun to kill the two doctors
    who failed to treat her. He killed one of the doctors and seriously
    wounded a nurse. He never found the other doctor. In a big manhunt, Shaw finds him and, once again, talks him out of suicide.

    The hospital was totally uncooperative in providing security footage per HIPAA. But Maroun talks the judge into forcing the hospital to release
    all exterior footage.

    Shouldn't Maroun have filed her motion in federal court? State court
    cannot pre-empt federal law.

    The trial is one big STOOPID after another. Price uses the doctor's
    widow as a witness; she has no evidence to offer. This allows the
    defense to badger her about statistics concerning the terrible job white doctors do with black patients. How is this relevant to the case? How
    can the doctor's widow possibly offer an opinion?

    As usual, Price sits slack jawed and does not object.

    That was amazing



    In the middle of cross, defense changes plea to insanity! It's by reason
    of racism! Price has never heard of this.

    Driven to madness, because once he was in an elevator and a woman told him she’d take the next car.



    The defense has an expert witness! But of course.

    Maroun is convinced that the defendent really is a victim, having
    suffered through racism not seen since the Jim Crow south. Price buys
    it. They offer a plea bargain; Price offers manslaughter with a 10 year sentence. This is a gift. The defense lawyer tells the client it's a
    gift! But the client says "no", still believing that he can raise his
    son after the trial.

    You start to believe the guy is truly delusional.

    Price supoena's a reluctant Shaw to testify that it was all
    premeditated. The guy gets convicted.

    Shaw actually tells Price that he’s going to lie on the stand. How many
    times this episode did Shaw deserve to be fired?


    This was unbelievable crap. Much of what the writers wanted to explore
    would have been appropriate for a P.I. trial but it doesn't work in the context of a criminal trial. The dude wasn't temporarily insane due to
    racism but because his wife was dead due to malpractice and he wanted
    revenge REVENGE!

    Yep, this is just terrible. I guess I’ll watch one more just to see Goldwyn show up. But then it’s done.



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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Mar 2 09:16:55 2024
    In article <urrvem$148df$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Shaw finds some guy about to jump into the Hudson River and talks him
    off. In an amazing coincidence he turns out to be the bad guy.

    And since when do cops or any government official just let a guy
    experiencing suicidal ideation just walk off after they talk him down
    because he says he's okay now?

    Shaw should at least get a rip for not detaining the guy and having him
    checked out by qualified psychiatric professionals, which he, as a cop,
    is not.

    A black man's wife was experiencing a bad pregnancy and went into pre-eclampsia. She was taken to the hospital but the doctor failed to
    make the right diagnosis. Remember: It's never lupus and it's always pre-eclampsia. She was sent home, got worse, then died returning to the hospital.

    The husband returned to the hospital with a gun to kill the two doctors
    who failed to treat her. He killed one of the doctors and seriously
    wounded a nurse. He never found the other doctor. In a big manhunt, Shaw finds him and, once again, talks him out of suicide.

    The hospital was totally uncooperative in providing security footage per HIPAA.

    Which was fucking ridiculous. HIPAA does not require things like
    hospital security cam footage to be treated like Top Secret/SCI national security material. It prohibits it from being *publicly* released, but
    no one would suggest the law would prohibit the police from viewing the
    footage in a murder investigation.

    And if we take their claim as true for the sake of argument, why would
    they even have security cameras in the ER in the first place if no one's
    ever allowed to look at the footage in response to a security incident? Wouldn't the existence of the cameras *themselves* be a HIPAA violation?

    The trial is one big STOOPID after another. Price uses the doctor's
    widow as a witness; she has no evidence to offer.

    Yes! I was shouting at the TV, "Why is she on the stand? She wasn't
    there when the crime happened." She literally has no relevant testimony.
    All she did was answer questions about how wonderful the victim was as a father, which is not evidence. And the defense didn't even give the
    judge the opportunity to make a ridiculous ruling contrary to law by
    objecting.

    In the middle of cross, defense changes plea to insanity! It's by reason
    of racism! Price has never heard of this.

    No one has. (Except Hollywood TV writers. I miss Hunter and his
    never-ending defense of the Hollywood writer. I think maybe the quality
    of the writing dipped so badly that he stroked out trying to defend them
    and had to retire from Usenet.)

    Maroun is convinced that the defendent really is a victim, having
    suffered through racism not seen since the Jim Crow south. Price buys
    it. They offer a plea bargain; Price offers manslaughter with a 10 year sentence. This is a gift. The defense lawyer tells the client it's a
    gift! But the client says "no", still believing that he can raise his
    son after the trial.

    You start to believe the guy is truly delusional.

    Price supoena's a reluctant Shaw to testify that it was all
    premeditated. The guy gets convicted.

    Not only does he get convicted but the entire tone of the show, from the expressions and body language of all the main characters, was intended
    to send the message that, yes, despite everything, a black man like this
    will be imprisoned in racist America. Despite the fact that he committed
    a premeditated cold-blooded murder, the show's message was, "Feel sorry
    for him, he's the real victim here. Because racism."

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat Mar 2 14:01:25 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    In article <urrvem$148df$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Shaw finds some guy about to jump into the Hudson River and talks him
    off. In an amazing coincidence he turns out to be the bad guy.

    And since when do cops or any government official just let a guy
    experiencing suicidal ideation just walk off after they talk him down
    because he says he's okay now?

    Shaw should at least get a rip for not detaining the guy and having him checked out by qualified psychiatric professionals, which he, as a cop,
    is not.

    A black man's wife was experiencing a bad pregnancy and went into
    pre-eclampsia. She was taken to the hospital but the doctor failed to
    make the right diagnosis. Remember: It's never lupus and it's always
    pre-eclampsia. She was sent home, got worse, then died returning to the
    hospital.

    The husband returned to the hospital with a gun to kill the two doctors
    who failed to treat her. He killed one of the doctors and seriously
    wounded a nurse. He never found the other doctor. In a big manhunt, Shaw
    finds him and, once again, talks him out of suicide.

    The hospital was totally uncooperative in providing security footage per
    HIPAA.

    Which was fucking ridiculous. HIPAA does not require things like
    hospital security cam footage to be treated like Top Secret/SCI national security material. It prohibits it from being *publicly* released, but
    no one would suggest the law would prohibit the police from viewing the footage in a murder investigation.

    And if we take their claim as true for the sake of argument, why would
    they even have security cameras in the ER in the first place if no one's
    ever allowed to look at the footage in response to a security incident? Wouldn't the existence of the cameras *themselves* be a HIPAA violation?

    The trial is one big STOOPID after another. Price uses the doctor's
    widow as a witness; she has no evidence to offer.

    Yes! I was shouting at the TV, "Why is she on the stand? She wasn't
    there when the crime happened." She literally has no relevant testimony.
    All she did was answer questions about how wonderful the victim was as a father, which is not evidence. And the defense didn't even give the
    judge the opportunity to make a ridiculous ruling contrary to law by objecting.

    In the middle of cross, defense changes plea to insanity! It's by reason
    of racism! Price has never heard of this.

    No one has. (Except Hollywood TV writers. I miss Hunter and his
    never-ending defense of the Hollywood writer. I think maybe the quality
    of the writing dipped so badly that he stroked out trying to defend them
    and had to retire from Usenet.)

    Maroun is convinced that the defendent really is a victim, having
    suffered through racism not seen since the Jim Crow south. Price buys
    it. They offer a plea bargain; Price offers manslaughter with a 10 year
    sentence. This is a gift. The defense lawyer tells the client it's a
    gift! But the client says "no", still believing that he can raise his
    son after the trial.

    You start to believe the guy is truly delusional.

    Price supoena's a reluctant Shaw to testify that it was all
    premeditated. The guy gets convicted.

    Not only does he get convicted but the entire tone of the show, from the expressions and body language of all the main characters, was intended
    to send the message that, yes, despite everything, a black man like this
    will be imprisoned in racist America. Despite the fact that he committed
    a premeditated cold-blooded murder, the show's message was, "Feel sorry
    for him, he's the real victim here. Because racism."


    He did have a woman of unspecified race refuse to get in an elevator with
    him. Once.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat Mar 2 22:23:49 2024
    On Sat, 02 Mar 2024 09:16:55 -0800, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    And if we take their claim as true for the sake of argument, why would
    they even have security cameras in the ER in the first place if no one's
    ever allowed to look at the footage in response to a security incident? >Wouldn't the existence of the cameras *themselves* be a HIPAA violation?

    About a year ago I had a fall (fell over a concrete curb while walking
    from the parking lot to my favorite ATM in complete darkness - I
    wrongly thought I knew the location well enough to make the 100 feet
    safely - and went to emergency the next morning) and saw signs all
    over the ER waiting area advising of the cameras.

    They didn't see anything other than me reading a book and getting up
    to visit the loo twice during my 6 hour wait. I was frustrated about
    the wait time especially since I was without food and only got water
    during those restroom breaks but once I got in they took very good
    care of me.

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