• Nex Benedict

    From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 03:05:42 2024
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the hate
    take over’


    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to trotsky on Mon Feb 26 18:00:55 2024
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if
    you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 14:22:07 2024
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the hate >> take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' restrooms?
    (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father
    arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms segregated.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Feb 26 22:56:42 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?


    --
    Rhino

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to never@nothere.com on Tue Feb 27 04:30:41 2024
    never@nothere.com wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was >> violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress
    because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls'
    restrooms?
    (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's
    father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school
    board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids
    if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech
    "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms segregated.



    TROLL-O-METER

    5* 6* *7
    4* *8
    3* *9
    2* *10
    1* | *stuporous
    0* -*- *catatonic
    * |\ *comatose
    * \ *clinical death
    * \ *biological death
    * _\/ *demonic apparition
    * * *damned for all eternity

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to gmsingh@email.com on Tue Feb 27 04:30:41 2024
    In article <qvYCN.453199$Wp_8.439750@fx17.iad>, gmsingh@email.com wrote:

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the hate
    take over’

    #FakeNews

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.


    TROLL-O-METER

    5* 6* *7
    4* *8
    3* *9
    2* *10
    1* | *stuporous
    0* -*- *catatonic
    * |\ *comatose
    * \ *clinical death
    * \ *biological death
    * _\/ *demonic apparition
    * * *damned for all eternity

    Well, there you go making an arse of ypourself in your haste to politicize something again!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Feb 27 11:22:46 2024
    On 2/26/2024 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the hate >>> take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries.  There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA
    was
    violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress
    because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls'
    restrooms?
    (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the
    girl's father
    arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if
    you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech
    "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms segregated.

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Feb 27 14:37:32 2024
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Feb 27 13:59:03 2024
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a
    non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 16:24:27 2024
    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a
    non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Feb 27 14:44:45 2024
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a
    non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 18:53:55 2024
    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>>>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s >>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Feb 27 16:37:55 2024
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>>>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s >>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Tue Feb 27 19:14:40 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>>>>>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s >>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.


    https://youtu.be/bigZ1fmwD-Q?si=o68zzkeIaQtafwr5

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Feb 27 22:36:59 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school
    admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for
    trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 22:46:52 2024
    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>>>>>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s >>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Feb 27 23:04:21 2024
    On 2/27/2024 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school
    admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for
    trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    Sometimes we collect facts to make a better informed decision, and not
    merely to contradict a fact-free supposition. Personally, I would've
    thought it common sense that men who dress as women would be especially *repelled* by male hyper-aggression, but maybe you know better.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to never@nothere.com on Wed Feb 28 04:30:44 2024
    never@nothere.com wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries.  There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>
    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA
    was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing
    dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' >>> restrooms?
    (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the
    girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a >>> school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech
    "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms segregated.

    OK, groomer.

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    They certainly seem to be more likely to be pedophiles.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Feb 28 11:19:22 2024
    In article
    <17b7eb15f2ae48b8$40248$1496314$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>> hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school
    admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for
    trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    Sometimes we collect facts to make a better informed decision, and not
    merely to contradict a fact-free supposition. Personally, I would've
    thought it common sense that men who dress as women would be especially *repelled* by male hyper-aggression, but maybe you know better.

    Or maybe some men are gaming this idiotic system that has emerged and
    are just pretending to be troons to gain access to women's spaces or,
    for example, to be sent to a women's prison where they have a captive
    group of victims to prey upon and don't have to worry so much about
    their own safety as they would in a men's prison.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Feb 28 11:24:02 2024
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms >>>>>>>> segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole. >>>>>>
    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn't be in the women's >>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first >>>> option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a
    dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    So during normal times, if a boy walked into the girl's restroom he
    would immediately have been reported and staff summoned to deal with it.
    Now, reporting him gets the reportee punished for lack of ideological
    purity and undermining the Agenda.

    This rape happened because of the school's troon policy. Period.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 16:42:14 2024
    On 2/28/2024 2:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms >>>>>>>>>> segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>>>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>>>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>>>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole. >>>>>>>>
    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn't be in the women's >>>>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The >>>>>> point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first >>>>>> option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was >>>>> since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a
    dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    So during normal times, if a boy walked into the girl's restroom he
    would immediately have been reported and staff summoned to deal with it.
    Now, reporting him gets the reportee punished for lack of ideological
    purity and undermining the Agenda.

    This rape happened because of the school's troon policy. Period.

    No, that's not "the reason this rape happened". This kid was a rapist,
    however he came to be one. And he used a flamboyant topical means to do
    it -- probably for the attention we're now giving him.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 16:52:49 2024
    On 2/28/2024 2:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7eb15f2ae48b8$40248$1496314$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>>>> hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school >>>>>>> admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for >>>>>>> trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    Sometimes we collect facts to make a better informed decision, and not
    merely to contradict a fact-free supposition. Personally, I would've
    thought it common sense that men who dress as women would be especially
    *repelled* by male hyper-aggression, but maybe you know better.

    Or maybe some men are gaming this idiotic system that has emerged and
    are just pretending to be troons to gain access to women's spaces or,
    for example, to be sent to a women's prison where they have a captive
    group of victims to prey upon and don't have to worry so much about
    their own safety as they would in a men's prison.

    Well, yeah, there'll never be a social "system" that no one is "gaming".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to trotsky on Thu Feb 29 04:59:30 2024
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame so Hutt doesn't care.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to trotsky on Thu Feb 29 04:30:45 2024
    "trotsky" wrote:
    On 2/28/24 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to
    blame so Hutt doesn't care.

    Again, Thanny the Liar strikes!

    Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to never@nothere.com on Thu Feb 29 04:30:52 2024
    never@nothere.com wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the >>>>>>>>>>> balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun >>>>>>>>>> County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a >>>>>>>>>> troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good >>>>>>>>>> idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school >>>>>>>>>> admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for >>>>>>>>>> trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board >>>>>>>>>> meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by >>>>>>>>>> other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it >>>>>>>>>> and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms >>>>>>>>> segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use >>>>>>>> his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real >>>>>>>> women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll >>>>>>>> never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole. >>>>>>>

    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn't be in the women's >>>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first >>>>> option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    OK, groomer.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 12:46:55 2024
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Feb 29 10:36:39 2024
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal
    with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their
    worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not sending their best."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Feb 29 10:37:53 2024
    In article
    <17b8256450a0d781$25567$2535552$cad58068@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 2:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7eb15f2ae48b8$40248$1496314$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>>>> hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the >>>>>>>> balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a >>>>>>> troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good >>>>>>> idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school >>>>>>> admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for >>>>>>> trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it >>>>>>> and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real >>>>> women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    Sometimes we collect facts to make a better informed decision, and not
    merely to contradict a fact-free supposition. Personally, I would've
    thought it common sense that men who dress as women would be especially
    *repelled* by male hyper-aggression, but maybe you know better.

    Or maybe some men are gaming this idiotic system that has emerged and
    are just pretending to be troons to gain access to women's spaces or,
    for example, to be sent to a women's prison where they have a captive
    group of victims to prey upon and don't have to worry so much about
    their own safety as they would in a men's prison.

    Well, yeah, there'll never be a social "system" that no one is "gaming".

    And when this particular game is brought to the attention of the
    authorities, they just call anyone who points it out a bigot and
    continue on with the insanity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to FPP on Fri Mar 1 18:39:24 2024
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame
    so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal
    with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their
    worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not
    sending their best."


    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals? Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.

    El Salvador hasn't tried to hide the fact that it's emptying its prisons
    and dumping thousands of extremely vile criminals into America for us to
    deal with and that it's a direct result of Biden's open borders policies.

    Trying to defend Biden and justify his obvious malfeasant and
    near-traitorous dereliction of duty is way too difficult-- pretty much impossible-- so Effa just calls Trump a bunch of names instead and hopes
    you don't notice that he has nothing to say in defense of Dem policies that
    are getting Americans killed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:10:46 2024
    On 2/27/24 2:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a
    non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen,
    then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s restroom.


    You're a stupid fuck. Simple solution: have a third bathroom for less
    gender specific people. The three assholes that attacked Nex wouldn't
    have behaved differently of course.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:17:23 2024
    On 2/27/24 4:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to
    expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and
    screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually assaulting >>>>> women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the
    pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.


    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn’t be in the women’s >>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The
    point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first
    option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was
    since we invented public restrooms.


    So true. Because that's how many rapes have occured anyway, amirite?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:18:27 2024
    On 2/28/24 1:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7eb15f2ae48b8$40248$1496314$4cd50660@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-okl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>>>> hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school >>>>>>> admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for >>>>>>> trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>

    Sometimes we collect facts to make a better informed decision, and not
    merely to contradict a fact-free supposition. Personally, I would've
    thought it common sense that men who dress as women would be especially
    *repelled* by male hyper-aggression, but maybe you know better.

    Or maybe some men are gaming this idiotic system that has emerged and
    are just pretending to be troons to gain access to women's spaces or,
    for example, to be sent to a women's prison where they have a captive
    group of victims to prey upon and don't have to worry so much about
    their own safety as they would in a men's prison.


    Also known as making nail soup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:22:56 2024
    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -o
    kl
    ahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the
    hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>>>>> from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls >>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, >>>>>>>>>>> VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other >>>>>>>>>>> kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms >>>>>>>>>> segregated.

    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting
    women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use his dick in a >>>>>>>>> non-consensual way? Security guards between the real women and the >>>>>>>>> pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend it'll never happen, >>>>>>>>> then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually >>>>>>>> *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole. >>>>>>>>
    If the chance is anything, but zero, they shouldn't be in the women's >>>>>>> restroom.

    Afaik, there's *no* (adult) group for whom the chance is zero. The >>>>>> point is that, if you have limited resources to apply towards
    rape-prevention, targeting male transvestites might not be your first >>>>>> option.

    No one had to target anyone. They could have just left it like it was >>>>> since we invented public restrooms.

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a
    dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.


    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant. If you weren't so motherfucking stupid I wouldn't have to
    keep repeating myself over and over and over.


    So during normal times,


    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that the normal times when frozen embryos weren't considered people? Holy fuck I can't stop laughing at how fucking
    stupid you are!!!!


    if a boy walked into the girl's restroom he
    would immediately have been reported


    Because of the cameras in the bathroom Porky's style?


    and staff summoned to deal with it.
    Now, reporting him gets the reportee punished for lack of ideological
    purity and undermining the Agenda.

    This rape happened because of the school's troon policy. Period.


    Got anymore examples or should with just continue to call you stupid.
    Your attempt to change the narrative is pure horseshit by the way.
    Because you're stupid.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:30:04 2024
    On 2/28/24 10:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.


    Yes, let's compare the "illegal aliens" activities in this country to
    gun violence. If the statistics are worse per capita will you leave
    this group permanently? If you don't have the balls to do anything consequential just say so.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:31:17 2024
    On 2/29/24 12:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame >>> so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.


    If only you could suck a bag of dicks to change the narrative, then
    Anim8r would really be impressed!

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:35:09 2024
    On 3/1/24 12:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to
    blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to
    pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on.

    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border


    WAIT,WHAT? WHY DIDN'T THE MEXICO FUNDED BORDER WALL FIX THE PROBLEM YOU COCKSUCKING ASSHOLE? WAS IT BECAUSE OF A LAPTOP?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 15:33:15 2024
    On 3/1/24 12:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This >>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame
    so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>> any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal >>> with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their >>> worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not >>> sending their best."


    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals? Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.


    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ARE YOU REALLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR CHANGING THE
    NARRATIVE YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING MOTHEFUCKING HYPOCRITE?


    El Salvador hasn't tried to hide the fact that it's emptying its prisons
    and dumping thousands of extremely vile criminals into America for us to
    deal with and that it's a direct result of Biden's open borders policies.

    Trying to defend Biden and justify his obvious malfeasant and
    near-traitorous dereliction of duty is way too difficult-- pretty much impossible-- so Effa just calls Trump a bunch of names instead and hopes
    you don't notice that he has nothing to say in defense of Dem policies that are getting Americans killed.


    FUCK OFF OATH KEEPER TROON.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Fri Mar 1 15:36:09 2024
    On 2/28/24 8:34 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 2/27/24 10:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to ‘not let the >>>>>>> hate take over’

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.
    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>> from his injuries.  There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the
    balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun
    County, VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a
    troon boy wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good
    idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school
    admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for
    trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board
    meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by
    other kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it
    and screech "Republicans!"

    Rape-prevention should in no way depend on keeping restrooms
    segregated.
    What's YOUR plan to keep men dressed as women from sexually
    assaulting women? A pinky swear from the man that he'll never use
    his dick in a non-consensual way? Security guards between the real
    women and the pretend-women? Or the usual leftist way: pretend
    it'll never happen, then deny that it happened when it does?

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    I see. Play some statistical games and "prove" that they're harmless
    (or at least more harmless) than straight men, then argue that no
    special precautions need to be taken. After all, we know very
    well that statistics are NEVER abused. Awesome solution.... </sarc>


    By "statistical games" you mean math and statistics right?  Sometimes statistics are pretty damned clear.


    You have more patience than me. I find "Rhino" way too fucking stupid
    to respond to.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Fri Mar 1 15:37:12 2024
    On 2/29/24 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 2/28/24 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to
    blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.



    Again, Thanny the Liar strikes!

    Nevermind that violent crime rates, especially for homicide in large
    cities, have fallen sharply during Biden’s presidency, after a surge
    during the pandemic. Trump, as he often did during his presidency, is
    using anecdotal evidence to make an emotional case against
    undocumented immigrants.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/


    He's so far gone into the white supremacy zone he doesn't give a flying
    fuck about facts at all anymore.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Fri Mar 1 15:39:19 2024
    On 3/1/24 9:27 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
      moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about
    it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican
    side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans
    to blame
    so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal
    with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their
    worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not
    sending their best."


    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals?  Wonder why?


    This is the shittiest version of Oath Keeper Troon yet, apparently now
    he's fully embracing Trump, perhaps even literally, like that time he
    literally drove off a cliff.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to trotsky on Fri Mar 1 22:08:34 2024
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the
    hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the >>>>>>>>>>>>> country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy >>>>>>>>>>>> wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried >>>>>>>>>>>> to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on >>> one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a
    dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now
    allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 2 05:47:27 2024
    On 2/28/24 10:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.


    Republicans are totally to blame. They block new legislation in
    addition to running away from the problem by busing migrants to other
    states. Or putting up razor wire as part of their "Christian values."
    But you're changing the narrative per usual because I have you dead to
    rights per usual. Keep it up, I'll have you literally driving off a
    cliff again in no time.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 2 11:23:41 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:46:52 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com>
    wrote:

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes
    (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on
    one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading.

    That said, when a man enters a women's restroom most women who see him
    will go on alert. This doesn't happen when they see someone in womens' clothing.

    I once walked into a women's restroom by mistake (it was one where the restrooms exited the hall on a common exit and I turned right instead
    of left...) and definitely got a reaction, quickly realized my mistake
    and immediately exited. Nobody followed me out in a rage but I did
    hear noise behind me. (My mother told me a similar story of her
    university days...)

    My personal view is that I'm fairly supportive of the post-op trans
    but not at all supportive of the pre-op sort. Gender isn't what you
    feel but what you are.

    And if you REALLY want to p*** me off just use the word 'assigned' in
    the same sentence as gender.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sat Mar 2 14:32:29 2024
    On 3/2/2024 2:16 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com>
    wrote:

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    Surely it's completely obvious that one is too many....

    One in ten, yes. One in ten million, we should be so lucky...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 2 11:16:40 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com>
    wrote:

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    Surely it's completely obvious that one is too many....

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Sun Mar 3 07:53:11 2024
    On 2/29/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    "trotsky" wrote:
    On 2/28/24 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to
    blame so Hutt doesn't care.

    Again, Thanny the Liar strikes!

    Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!



    I didn't write that you fucking dipshit. How can you be on Usenet for
    thirty fucking years and still be this stupid? Let's go Stupid!!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon Mar 4 04:30:45 2024
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a
    dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now >>> allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex >Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching >implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a >representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all.

    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to everything you post to RAT-U....

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Mon Mar 4 10:40:49 2024
    On 3/4/24 7:51 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/1/24 4:33 PM, trotsky wrote:
    On 3/1/24 12:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b8668d2dfab92e$44068$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahom
    ans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>>>> hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This >>>>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk
    about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican >>>>>>>> side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No
    Republicans to blame
    so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look
    like for
    any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to
    deal
    with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en >>>>> masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of >>>>> Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting
    their
    worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and
    facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule >>>>> themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator,
    "They're not
    sending their best."


    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals?  Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.


    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ARE YOU REALLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR CHANGING THE
    NARRATIVE YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING MOTHEFUCKING HYPOCRITE?


    El Salvador hasn't tried to hide the fact that it's emptying its prisons >>> and dumping thousands of extremely vile criminals into America for us to >>> deal with and that it's a direct result of Biden's open borders
    policies.

    Trying to defend Biden and justify his obvious malfeasant and
    near-traitorous dereliction of duty is way too difficult-- pretty much
    impossible-- so Effa just calls Trump a bunch of names instead and hopes >>> you don't notice that he has nothing to say in defense of Dem
    policies that
    are getting Americans killed.


    FUCK OFF OATH KEEPER TROON.


    Now, now... you'll hurt his feelings if you call the fucking snowflake a name.


    Or even moreso if you call that fat orange fuck Trump a name now that
    OKT has gone full MAGA.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Mon Mar 4 10:42:13 2024
    On 3/4/24 7:56 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>> hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk
    about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican
    side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to
    pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely
    codifying the
    chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on.

    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the
    border
    where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to
    enter
    unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do
    something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use
    against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same
    but
    now the free-for-all would be legalized.


    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.



    Which leads us to the obvious conclusion: they aren't looking for
    solutions, just shit to bitch about because they're a bunch of bitches.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to FPP on Mon Mar 4 16:43:37 2024
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/1/24 5:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the
    hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let >>>>>>>>>>>>>> boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes >>>>> (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on >>>>> one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading. >>>>
    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a >>>> dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now >>>> allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex
    Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching >> implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe. >>
    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all.


    But you have no problem singling out one illegal who committed a murder, right?

    Because it isn't anecdotal when you do it.

    I'm not the one complaining about it, dimwit. Your remora Hutt is while
    doing the exact thing he's complaining about. He's the hypocrite here, not
    me.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Mon Mar 4 13:22:22 2024
    no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    After Nex Benedictีs death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the >>>>>> hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This >>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about >>>>>> it. Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican >>>>>> side of the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>> blame so Hutt doesn't care.

    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>> any other demographic. Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Doesn't matter. As you note, we have plenty of our own criminals to deal >>> with. There's no reason to be importing them from other countries en
    masse.

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their >>> worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating
    the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not >>> sending their best."

    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals? Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.

    It's FPP's "tell" for letting us know he has lost the debate.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to gmsingh@email.com on Mon Mar 4 13:24:43 2024
    gmsingh@email.com wrote:
    On 3/1/24 12:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Someone pretending to be FPP wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of
    Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their >>>> worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating >>>> the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule
    themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not >>>> sending their best."

    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals? Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ARE YOU REALLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR CHANGING THE
    NARRATIVE YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING MOTHEFUCKING HYPOCRITE?

    Looks like "trotsky" forgot whoich account he is posting from again.
    Perhaps you shouldn't post followups before regaining your compuser, boyo.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to FPP on Mon Mar 4 18:58:02 2024
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>>


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to
    pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the >> chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on.

    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border >> where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to enter >> unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do
    something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use
    against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same but >> now the free-for-all would be legalized.

    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 03:36:57 2024
    On 3/4/24 10:43 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/1/24 5:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <17b7ea21d814d87c$23$762855$cd54664@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 7:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7dd6b665e79cf$44014$2730048$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 5:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article
    <17b7d5437485e1df$26069$2757267$c4d58e68@news.newsdemon.com>, >>>>>>>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2024 3:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 10:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:22:07 -0500
    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2024 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq
    -oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the
    hate take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died
    from his injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the
    country from this but only one political party will have the balls
    to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County,
    VA was violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy
    wearing dress because leftists thought it was a good idea to let
    boys into girls' restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried
    to cover it up and had the girl's father arrested for trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expose the whole vile incident at a school board meeting.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other
    kids if you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screech "Republicans!"

    Then make that argument, without crying "Rape!".

    But... there was a rape.

    I'd be willing to bet that the vast, vast majority of restroom rapes >>>>>> (and there seem to be plenty) don't involve transvestitism. Seizing on >>>>>> one that does seems somewhere between odd and deliberately misleading. >>>>>
    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a >>>>> dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now >>>>> allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex
    Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching
    implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all. >>

    But you have no problem singling out one illegal who committed a murder,
    right?

    Because it isn't anecdotal when you do it.

    I'm not the one complaining about it, dimwit. Your remora Hutt is while
    doing the exact thing he's complaining about. He's the hypocrite here, not me.


    I've already responded to your lie, grow a pair of balls and respond to
    me directly Oath Keeper MAGA.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 03:40:24 2024
    On 3/4/24 10:43 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to
    pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the >>> chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on. >>>
    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border >>> where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to enter >>> unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do
    something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use
    against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same but >>> now the free-for-all would be legalized.


    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    And those Republicans are lying just as much as the Dems are if they're saying this bill actually secured the border and stops the firehose of illegal aliens.


    Can you explain what the problem is with out being a propagandistic asshole?

    https://news.utexas.edu/2022/06/13/sanctuary-practices-lower-counties-crime-rates/

    Sanctuary Practices Lower Counties’ Crime Rates

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 03:41:24 2024
    On 3/4/24 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:



    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to >>>> pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the
    chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on. >>>
    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border
    where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to enter
    unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do >>> something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use >>> against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same but
    now the free-for-all would be legalized.

    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.


    Are you unable to dislodge the proof from your rectum again?



    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.



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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Mar 5 04:33:59 2024
    On 3/4/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a >>>> dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now >>>> allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex
    Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching >> implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe. >>
    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all.

    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to everything you post to RAT-U....


    Fucked in the head as ever Pubie. Is that why I have the most posts in
    this thread?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Tue Mar 5 04:41:06 2024
    On 3/4/24 12:24 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    gmsingh@email.com wrote:
    On 3/1/24 12:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Someone pretending to be FPP wrote:
    On 2/29/24 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    It's no secret that Venezuela and El Salvador are taking advantage of >>>>> Biden's border insanity by throwing open their prisons and letting their >>>>> worst out on the condition that they leave the country and go to
    America. And of course we let them in without vetting them at all,
    because our government is either deeply stupid or deeply corrupt.
    Nigeria, all the way over in Africa, is doing the same and facilitating >>>>> the travel of their murderers and rapists to Mexico so they can mule >>>>> themselves north and culturally enrich our cities.

    As Trump said once upon a time at the base of an escalator, "They're not >>>>> sending their best."

    Is that the same Trump who's a rapist?
    And the same Trump who owes half a billion dollars in fines?
    And is it the same Trump who has 91 felony charges pending?
    In 4 jurisdictions, both state and federal?

    He's your go-to guy for spotting criminals? Wonder why?

    Notice how Effa completely avoids the issue in favor of calling Trump
    names.

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ARE YOU REALLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR CHANGING THE
    NARRATIVE YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING MOTHEFUCKING HYPOCRITE?

    Looks like "trotsky" forgot whoich account he is posting from again.
    Perhaps you shouldn't post followups before regaining your compuser, boyo.

    My compuser is just fine thanks. Maybe Oath Keeper Troon can translate
    for us.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to trotsky on Tue Mar 5 17:52:44 2024
    On 3/5/2024 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 3/4/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put >>>>> on a
      dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses
    are now
      allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and >>>>>   showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex
    Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have
    far-reaching
    implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant"
    tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at
    all.

    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to
    everything you post to RAT-U....


    Fucked in the head as ever Pubie.  Is that why I have the most posts in
    this thread?

    Careful now, you're cruising for a troll-o-meter from Brandon...

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 6 10:49:56 2024
    On 3/4/2024 11:43 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>>>

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it. >>>>>>> Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of >>>>>>> the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to
    pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the >>> chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on. >>>
    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border >>> where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to enter >>> unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do
    something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use
    against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same but >>> now the free-for-all would be legalized.


    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    And those Republicans are lying just as much as the Dems are if they're saying this bill actually secured the border and stops the firehose of illegal aliens.

    The only clear lie here would be pretending that the bill was scuttled
    for any reason other than Trump's yearning for a campaign issue.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 6 09:45:05 2024
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
    ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
    good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
    Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20
    billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
    assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It
    doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it
    already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
    anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own
    citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other
    countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to gmsingh@email.com on Wed Mar 6 15:04:14 2024
    In article <ryCFN.666133$p%Mb.661332@fx15.iad>, gmsingh@email.com wrote:
    On 3/4/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy put on a >>>>> dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses are now >>>>> allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and
    showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex
    Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have far-reaching
    implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards at all. >>
    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to
    everything you post to RAT-U....

    Is that why I have the most posts in this thread?

    Yes.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 03:00:00 2024
    On 3/4/24 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:



    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans.  This >>>>>>> non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>>>>>> injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from >>>>>>> this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt...

    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for:

    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No Republicans to >>>>>> blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look like for >>>>> any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to >>>> pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely codifying the
    chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to run on. >>>
    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at the border
    where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed to enter
    unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want to do >>> something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to use >>> against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the same but
    now the free-for-all would be legalized.

    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.


    When will the proof of this be extricated from your rectum?


    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.


    Yep, full MAGA mode: if you say it it has "credibility." Always has
    been horseshit and always will be.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to which you completely ignored and on on Thu Mar 7 03:01:54 2024
    On 3/6/24 11:45 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the
    border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to
    address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
    ago,


    Wow, really? What's the message ID, or is that stuck up your anus too?



    which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
    good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees. There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
    anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Thu Mar 7 04:06:34 2024
    On 3/6/24 9:32 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/5/24 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 3/4/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy
    put on a
      dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses >>>>>> are now
      allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and >>>>>>   showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex >>>> Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have
    far-reaching
    implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards
    at all.

    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to
    everything you post to RAT-U....


    Fucked in the head as ever Pubie.  Is that why I have the most posts
    in this thread?


    Fuck, how is he still alive?


    That guy has been posting since HAL the computer was invented.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to never@nothere.com on Thu Mar 7 10:24:31 2024
    On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 14:32:29 -0000 (UTC), "Moviepig"
    <never@nothere.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2024 2:16 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:37:32 -0500, moviePig <never@nothere.com>
    wrote:

    *MY* plan might first determine whether transvestite men are actually
    *less* likely to be rapists than the male population as a whole.

    Surely it's completely obvious that one is too many....

    One in ten, yes. One in ten million, we should be so lucky...

    OK, groomer.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 18:40:28 2024
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the
    border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to
    address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
    ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
    good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees. There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable" possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to FPP on Fri Mar 8 22:24:21 2024
    On 3/8/2024 7:42 PM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/6/24 10:49 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/4/2024 11:43 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/1/24 1:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/29/24 12:46 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 2/28/2024 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over



    After Nex Benedict’s death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let >>>>>>>>> the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. >>>>>>>>> This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died >>>>>>>>> from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country >>>>>>>>> from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk >>>>>>>>> about it.
    Cowardice, ignorance, and no balls, that sums up the Republican >>>>>>>>> side of
    the equation.

    Another demographic you're curiously unconcerned about Hutt... >>>>>>>>
    In the last week alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for: >>>>>>>>
    --⁠Murdering a college student in Georgia
    --⁠Murdering a 2-year-old boy in Maryland
    --⁠Raping a minor in Virginia
    --Raping a minor at knifepoint in Louisiana
    --Shooting three DC police officers

    But that's all down to Joe Biden's border policies. No
    Republicans to
    blame so
    Hutt doesn't care.
    Make you wonder what last week's top-five rap sheet would look
    like for
    any other demographic.  Well, maybe not Rhodes scholars...

    Biden and the Dems HAVE a border solution, and it has enough votes to >>>>>> pass both houses.

    That bill will allow 3000-5000 illegals per day to continue to flow
    unvetted into America. That's not a 'solution', that's merely
    codifying the
    chaos into law and it was rightly rejected.

    Republicans don't want a border solution, they want an issue to
    run on.

    And after three years of an absolute Dem-induced free-for-all at
    the border
    where more illegals than the population of Wisconsin were allowed
    to enter
    unchecked and unvetted, Dems suddenly decide to pretend they want
    to do
    something about it so that issue isn't available for Republicans to
    use
    against them.

    But even their 'solution' is no solution at all. Just more of the
    same but
    now the free-for-all would be legalized.


    THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN SOLUTION, MORON.

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    And those Republicans are lying just as much as the Dems are if they're
    saying this bill actually secured the border and stops the firehose of
    illegal aliens.

    The only clear lie here would be pretending that the bill was scuttled
    for any reason other than Trump's yearning for a campaign issue.



    Some of the MOST conservative Republicans crafted this bill.  Then they voted against it when told to.  Yes, by Trump.

    Republicans won't pass ANYTHING because they don't have any other issues
    to run on.

    It's just THAT simple.

    I'm especially nervous when someone who want that kind of power gets it.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 05:25:35 2024
    On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
    ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
    good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every >>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison >>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in >>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
    Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he
    determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees. >>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum
    claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to >>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward
    solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters >>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which >>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with >>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on >>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the >>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20
    billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are >>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own
    country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill
    allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
    organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
    assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist
    principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as
    possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba,
    Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000 >>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of >>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes >>> but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get
    re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It
    doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've
    rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying >>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it
    already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined >>> was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
    anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own
    citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other
    countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they >>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.


    You sound very butthurt. "Bad for America" in one portion doesn't
    equate to "kill the entire bill." Do you have anything to report that
    isn't horseshit?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Sat Mar 9 15:35:12 2024
    On 3/6/24 9:32 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/5/24 5:33 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 3/4/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08:34 PM PST, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2024 at 1:22:56 PM PST, "trotsky" <gmsingh@email.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2/28/24 1:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      But... the only reason this rape happened was because the boy
    put on a
      dress and all the female students were told that boys in dresses >>>>>> are now
      allowed to be in your restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, and >>>>>>   showers, your rights to privacy be damned.

    And yet a representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant.

    Weird you seemed to have forgotten about that when you posted about Nex >>>> Benedict, Hutt.

    You post about one anecdotal incident and it's supposed to have
    far-reaching
    implications. I post one in response and you vomit out your usual "a
    representative sampling of one still isn't statistically
    significant" tripe.

    Double standards. If you didn't have them, you'd have no standards
    at all.

    And "trotsky" has suddenly broken his compulsion to post a followup to
    everything you post to RAT-U....


    Fucked in the head as ever Pubie.  Is that why I have the most posts
    in this thread?


    Fuck, how is he still alive?


    He might not be, it might be Artificial Lack of Intelligence. (ALoI)

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 10:55:17 2024
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>>> it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>>> goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border
    every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of
    prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>>> secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
    necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
    Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
    refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>> this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just
    need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>>> solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal
    voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society
    which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>>
    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing
    with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion
    more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure >>>> the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>>> billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders >>>> are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>>> country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
    organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
    assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>>> possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>>> come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have
    20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
    ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never
    closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of
    saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>>> away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
    imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But >>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own >>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it. >>>>
    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border,
    they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist >>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's >>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly >>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as >>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries >>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction >>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want >>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not >>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if >>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
    like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 11:01:55 2024
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>
    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks
    ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>> it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>> goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't
    good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every >>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison >>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>> secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in >>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
    Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he
    determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees. >>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to >>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>> solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters >>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which >>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with >>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on >>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the >>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>> billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are >>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>> country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
    organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
    assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>> possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>> come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000 >>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of >>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes >>> but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get
    re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying >>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>> away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined >>> was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But >>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was
    anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own
    citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other
    countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they >>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist >>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly >>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as >>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries >>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction >>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want >>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not >>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.

    Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
    actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
    defend it.

    YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
    YOU fuckers made it blow.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
    Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
    since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians when
    they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.

    I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
    good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
    unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good
    thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
    merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of absurdity.

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 03:14:18 2024
    On 3/10/24 1:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>>>>> it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>>>>> goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>>>> that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border >>>>>> every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of
    prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>>>>> secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
    necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
    refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>>>>
    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>>>> this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just
    need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>>>>> solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal
    voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society >>>>>> which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>>>>
    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing >>>>>> with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion
    more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure >>>>>> the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>>>>> billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders >>>>>> are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>>>>> country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>>>>> possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>>>>> come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have
    20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
    ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never
    closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of
    saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>>>>> away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
    imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But >>>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own >>>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it. >>>>>>
    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, >>>>>> they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist >>>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that >>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, >>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's >>>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly >>>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as >>>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries >>>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction >>>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want >>>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not >>>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if >>>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in >>>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding >>>> to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
    like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.


    "Freedom isn't free." Apparently this is the excuse when school kids
    are shot to death but not when migrants enter the country. You're being
    fucked in the head is showing again.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 03:15:26 2024
    On 3/10/24 2:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>>>> it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>>>> goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And
    that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every >>>>> month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison >>>>> in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>>>> secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in >>>>> the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and
    Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the
    authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees. >>>>> There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be.

    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>>> this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to
    start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to >>>>> start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>>>> solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters >>>>> once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which >>>>> can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding
    plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>>>
    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion
    dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with >>>>> that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on >>>>> their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the >>>>> borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>>>> billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are >>>>> proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two
    other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>>>> country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified
    organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management
    assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two
    billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>>>> possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>>>> come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive
    Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000 >>>>> of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of >>>>> entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes >>>>> but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do
    crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying >>>>> 'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>>>> away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined >>>>> was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But >>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own >>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it. >>>>>
    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they >>>>> don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist >>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that
    would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people,
    Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's >>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly >>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as >>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries >>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction >>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want >>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not >>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if >>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.

    Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
    actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
    defend it.

    YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
    YOU fuckers made it blow.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
    Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
    since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians when
    they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.

    I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
    good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
    unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good
    thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
    merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of absurdity.

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.


    The EXACT same thing could be said about safety from gun violence. E X
    A C T.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to FPP on Mon Mar 11 12:21:35 2024
    On 3/11/2024 8:26 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, >>>>>>>>> and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to
    open the
    border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he
    wants to
    address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to
    ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so
    here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're
    referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>>>> that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border >>>>>> every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of
    prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely
    nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
    necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
    refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent
    asylum
    claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>>>>
    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>>>> this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just
    need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and
    straightforward
    solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal
    voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society >>>>>> which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of
    millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>>>>
    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been
    doing with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion
    more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to
    secure the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates >>>>>> $20
    billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our
    leaders are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of
    our own
    country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the
    entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the >>>>>> bill
    allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that
    exist
    principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this
    country as
    possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for
    illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could
    effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border
    closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti,
    Cuba,
    Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have
    20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border,
    even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
    ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never
    closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country.
    Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant
    possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the
    basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high
    standard. It
    doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which
    they've
    rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of
    saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get
    turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure
    than it
    already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
    imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. >>>>>> But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own >>>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it. >>>>>>
    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the
    border, they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a
    racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that >>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, >>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's >>>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a
    nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do
    something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign
    countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a
    fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans >>>>>> want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It
    is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in
    WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in >>>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding >>>> to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.

    Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
    actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
    defend it.

    YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
    YOU fuckers made it blow.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
    Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
    since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians when
    they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.

    I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
    good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
    unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good
    thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
    merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of
    absurdity.

    You asked for what you wanted.  Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.



    Republicans wrote the bill.  YOU clowns WROTE THE BILL.
    It's YOUR wishlist.

    Then you clowns killed it because you were TOLD to by a Reality TV Show
    Host.

    How fucking pathetic is that?

    It's not hard there to hear echoes of "Job One is to make Obama a
    one-term president!" The Left occasionally drifts into trying to
    benefit the public, while the Right has always got eyes on the prize...

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 12:13:58 2024
    In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
    like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.

    What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 12:10:08 2024
    In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching bill, and >>>>>>>> includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to open the >>>>>>> border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he wants to >>>>>>> address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to ignore >>>>> it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so here >>>>> goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're referring >>>>> to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>>> that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely nothing to >>>>> secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border if he >>>>> determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent asylum >>>>> claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>>>
    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen into >>>>> this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of the >>>>> United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and straightforward >>>>> solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied.

    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of millions >>>>> of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like that. >>>>>
    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We
    already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only allocates $20 >>>>> billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of our own >>>>> country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going for >>>>> our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the entry >>>>> of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, the bill >>>>> allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that exist >>>>> principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this country as >>>>> possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for illegals to >>>>> come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of
    illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this
    emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could effectively >>>>> just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries other >>>>> than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border closings. >>>>> In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, Cuba, >>>>> Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even >>>>> if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing centers >>>>> where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by
    design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given the >>>>> bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does get >>>>> re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. Right >>>>> now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant possibility >>>>> that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the basis of >>>>> race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high standard. It >>>>> doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which they've >>>>> rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable"
    possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can >>>>> clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get turned >>>>> away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure than it >>>>> already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on arrival. But >>>>> it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America.

    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their own >>>>> citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know it. >>>>>
    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a racist >>>>> for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that >>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, >>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about what's >>>>> going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a nearly >>>>> $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do something as >>>>> basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign countries >>>>> vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a fraction >>>>> of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most Americans want >>>>> our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It is not >>>>> an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in WWII if >>>> it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what was in >>> the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding >>> to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.

    Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
    actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't defend it.

    YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
    YOU fuckers made it blow.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
    Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
    since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians when they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.

    I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
    good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
    merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of absurdity.

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.

    It's YOUR wishlist.

    It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.

    Simple logic eludes you yet again.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Tue Mar 12 04:45:42 2024
    On 3/12/24 2:36 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 9:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching >>>>>>>>>>> bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years. >>>>>>>>>>
    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to >>>>>>>>>> open the
    border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he >>>>>>>>>> wants to
    address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several >>>>>>>> weeks
    ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by
    insulting
    Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to >>>>>>>> ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste >>>>>>>> so here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're
    referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO >>>>>>>> got
    next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>>>>>> that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the
    border every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out >>>>>>>> of prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to
    commit
    their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely
    nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
    necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border >>>>>>>> if he
    determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include >>>>>>>> refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent >>>>>>>> asylum
    claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>>>>>>
    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen >>>>>>>> into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president >>>>>>>> of the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just >>>>>>>> need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and
    straightforward
    solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future
    loyal voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to >>>>>>>> citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be >>>>>>>> described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our
    society which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied. >>>>>>>>
    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of >>>>>>>> millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like >>>>>>>> that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We >>>>>>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been
    doing with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion >>>>>>>> more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to
    secure the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only
    allocates $20
    billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our
    leaders are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of >>>>>>>> our own
    country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly
    going for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate
    the entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically, >>>>>>>> the bill
    allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry >>>>>>>> assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and >>>>>>>> linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, >>>>>>>> and
    legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that >>>>>>>> exist
    principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this
    country as
    possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for
    illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of >>>>>>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this >>>>>>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of
    course it
    will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could
    effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries >>>>>>>> other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border
    closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, >>>>>>>> Cuba,
    Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could
    have 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the
    border, even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of >>>>>>>> the
    bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land >>>>>>>> ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border
    never closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the
    border
    never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing
    centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by >>>>>>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time,
    given the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump
    does get
    re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the
    country. Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant
    possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the
    basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high
    standard. It
    doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their
    claims.
    Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which >>>>>>>> they've
    rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill >>>>>>>> would
    lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable" >>>>>>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way >>>>>>>> of saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from
    anywhere can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get >>>>>>>> turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure >>>>>>>> than it
    already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people >>>>>>>> imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on
    arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there >>>>>>>> was
    anything here that could possibly be considered good for America. >>>>>>>>
    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise
    their own
    citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in >>>>>>>> other
    countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they
    know it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the
    border, they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a >>>>>>>> racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that >>>>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, >>>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about >>>>>>>> what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a >>>>>>>> nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do
    something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign
    countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a >>>>>>>> fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most
    Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It >>>>>>>> is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in
    WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary >>>>>> before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what
    was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother
    responding
    to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad >>>>>> about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    Because your excuses are BULLSHIT.

    Nothing I wrote above is an excuse. It's a description of what's
    actually in the bill. You won't address it because you know you can't
    defend it.

    YOU fuckers crafted the fucking bill. If it blows, it blows because
    YOU fuckers made it blow.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression I've been in
    Washington DC lately writing legislation. *I* didn't do anything and
    since I'm not a partisan simp like you, I can criticize politicians
    when
    they do stupid shit even when they're on my 'side'.

    I don't care who wrote the damn thing or who was bribed to say it's a
    good thing when they know it's not. Legalize the flow of millions of
    unvetted illegals per year into the country is objectively *not* a good >>>> thing and this Orwellian shit where we pretend the border is secure
    merely because we passed a bill to legalize the chaos is the height of >>>> absurdity.

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.

    It's YOUR wishlist.

    It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.

    Simple logic eludes you yet again.


    Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you pretend you're not part of the movement.

    Didn't work then, doesn't work now.  You're one of those "fellow
    travelers" you keep talking about.

    Even though you've used that phrase every chance you get, you're trying
    to distance yourself from it when it's applied to YOU.

    Pot, meet kettle.


    OKT appears to be having a bad millenium.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Tue Mar 12 04:42:08 2024
    On 3/11/24 7:24 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/8/24 8:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usgbfr$1vp6f$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 3/6/24 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usa2h0$g16c$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/4/24 1:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 4, 2024 at 5:56:21 AM PST, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Republicans themselves said this is the most far reaching
    bill, and
    includes everything they've been asking for for 20 years.

    The week Biden took office, he issued 94 executive orders to >>>>>>>>> open the
    border and stand down enforcement of immigration law.

    Until Biden rescinds those EOs, any claims he makes that he
    wants to
    address illegal immigration are nothing but lies.

    So answer his question. What was in the bill that was bad?

    I already did an in-depth analysis of this abomination several weeks >>>>>>> ago, which you completely ignored and only responded to by insulting >>>>>>> Trump as per usual. Why should I do it all again just for you to >>>>>>> ignore
    it again?

    Oh, hell, hope springs eternal and it's easy to copy and paste so >>>>>>> here
    goes:

    The Republicans got most of what they wanted and that still wasn't >>>>>>>> good enough

    Of course it wasn't good enough. And I don't know who you're
    referring
    to specifically by 'the Republicans' but anyone who isn't a RINO got >>>>>>> next to nothing from this bill with regard to border security. And >>>>>>> that's being generous.

    Even as hundreds of thousands of illegals stream across the border >>>>>>> every
    month, including thousands of gang members recently kicked out of >>>>>>> prison
    in places like El Salvador, looking for a friendlier place to commit >>>>>>> their crimes, this 'border deal' would have done absolutely
    nothing to
    secure the border.

    First, it's important to emphasize that no 'border deal' is
    necessary in
    the first place. Under existing law, including the Immigration and >>>>>>> Nationality Act of 1952, the president of the United States has the >>>>>>> authority to turn every single illegal alien away at the border
    if he
    determines it's necessary to safeguard the country, to include
    refugees.
    There is no requirement that we entertain millions of fraudulent >>>>>>> asylum
    claims-- or even legitimate asylum claims, as rare as those may be. >>>>>>>
    There is no legal requirement that we allow a single non-citizen >>>>>>> into
    this country. Period.

    All that's necessary to secure the border is for the president of >>>>>>> the
    United States to start doing his damn job and enforcing the law, to >>>>>>> start using the power that he *already* legitimately and
    constitutionally has. It doesn't need to be complicated. We just >>>>>>> need to
    start enforcing existing laws as they stand.

    But if the White House actually adopted this simple and
    straightforward
    solution, two things would happen:

    (1) The Democrat Party would lose out on millions of future loyal >>>>>>> voters
    once the next stage of their plan is implemented: the 'path to
    citizenship' for all the illegals we let in and who now will be
    described as leading an 'unfair' twilight existence in our society >>>>>>> which
    can only be solved by making them citizens. Democrats' longstanding >>>>>>> plans for demographic replacement at the polls would be stymied. >>>>>>>
    (2) Congress would miss out on a chance to launder hundreds of
    millions
    of dollars and Congress never misses out on an opportunity like
    that.

    So here we are.

    The bill proposed in the Senate would allocate another $60 billion >>>>>>> dollars in military aid to Ukraine and $14 billion to Israel. (We >>>>>>> already give Israel billions every year-- what have they been doing >>>>>>> with
    that? Where has that money gone that we need to dump $14 billion >>>>>>> more on
    their doorstep?) That's a grand total of $74 billion going to secure >>>>>>> the
    borders of other countries. By comparison, the bill only
    allocates $20
    billion for U.S. border security.

    So to restate for the slow kids in the back of the room: Our leaders >>>>>>> are
    proposing to spend roughly 400% more on securing the borders of two >>>>>>> other foreign countries than they are on securing the border of
    our own
    country.

    And it gets worse. Because even the money that's supposedly going >>>>>>> for
    our border security will actually in practice only facilitate the >>>>>>> entry
    of millions of more illegal aliens into the U.S. Specifically,
    the bill
    allocates $2.3 billion for something called "refugee and entry
    assistance activities" by giving "grants or contracts to qualified >>>>>>> organizations and non-profit entities to provide culturally and
    linguistically appropriate services, including housing, medical, and >>>>>>> legal assistance and ease management assistance". (Ease management >>>>>>> assistance? WTF? Why am I paying for that?) So that's more than two >>>>>>> billion dollars to the left-wing 'non-profit' organizations that >>>>>>> exist
    principally to find ways to sneak as many illegals into this
    country as
    possible.

    By doing so, this bill actually creates more incentives for
    illegals to
    come here in the first place.

    One of the highlights of the bill is that it requires the Executive >>>>>>> Branch to close the border on an emergency basis if the number of >>>>>>> illegal entries exceeds 5000 in one week or 8500 in one day.

    Except the bill also gives Joe Biden the authority to waive this >>>>>>> emergency requirement at any time at his discretion. So of course it >>>>>>> will never be enforced. He and DHS Secretary Mayorkas could
    effectively
    just ignore this entire section of the law if it were passed.

    The bill also doesn't count unaccompanied minors from countries
    other
    than Mexico and Canada toward the totals necessary for border
    closings.
    In other words, a significant percentage of illegals from Haiti, >>>>>>> Cuba,
    Honduras, Pakistan, China, etc. simply don't count. We could have >>>>>>> 20,000
    of those show up in one day and it wouldn't count.

    And on top of that, the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, >>>>>>> even
    if this fraudulent 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the >>>>>>> bill's co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy: "The bill contains a
    requirement that the president funnel asylum claims to the land
    ports of
    entry when more than 5000 people cross in a day. The border never >>>>>>> closes
    but claims must be processed at the ports."

    So basically even if these arbitrary numbers are reached, the border >>>>>>> never closes. The illegals are just re-directed to processing
    centers
    where they are then let into the country. It's a complete scam by >>>>>>> design. And a scam that's designed to last for a long time, given >>>>>>> the
    bill's 3-year sunset provision. The idea being that if Trump does >>>>>>> get
    re-elected, he'd be bound by the terms of this deal and couldn't do >>>>>>> crazy things like ACTUALLY shut down the border and stop this
    never-ending firehose of illegals.

    In one key respect, this bill would actually *lessen* the
    already-minimal standards for allowing illegals into the country. >>>>>>> Right
    now, people applying for asylum need to show "a significant
    possibility
    that they can establish a credible fear of persecution on the
    basis of
    race, national origin, political beliefs, etc." Not a high
    standard. It
    doesn't require them to provide any actual evidence of their claims. >>>>>>> Just make a claim, which they've been coached to say and which
    they've
    rehearsed, and then get into the country. But this border bill would >>>>>>> lower that standard even further, if that's possible, from a
    "significant" possibility of persecution to merely a "reasonable" >>>>>>> possibility of persecution. And reasonable is just another way of >>>>>>> saying
    'plausible'. In other words, it's a bar that anyone from anywhere >>>>>>> can
    clear. There's no way that anyone claiming asylum will ever get
    turned
    away if that's the standard.

    The bill is an abomination that makes the border *less* secure
    than it
    already is, which is a remarkable feat that few, if any, people
    imagined
    was even possible.

    Thank god the House Republicans said the bill was dead on
    arrival. But
    it doesn't begin to explain why Senate Republicans thought there was >>>>>>> anything here that could possibly be considered good for America. >>>>>>>
    It's as if the Senate is made up of politicians who despise their >>>>>>> own
    citizens and whose top priority is the safety of foreigners in other >>>>>>> countries thousands of miles from their own shores. And they know >>>>>>> it.

    When you confront them on why they've utterly failed at the border, >>>>>>> they
    don't even try and justify their behavior. They just call you a
    racist
    for even asking the question. There's no political calculation that >>>>>>> would explain their support for this nonsense. The American people, >>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans alike are overwhelmingly upset about
    what's
    going on at the border. There's no support for it.

    Polls clearly show that no one's buying the idea that we need a
    nearly
    $100 billion giveaway to Ukraine and Israel in order to do
    something as
    basic as enforcing the law here in America.

    Nobody seriously thinks that it's appropriate to pay foreign
    countries
    vast sums of money to secure their borders while we allocate a
    fraction
    of that money to open up our own borders even more. Most
    Americans want
    our leaders to prioritize our country before other countries. It >>>>>>> is not
    an unreasonable thing for us to want.

    Who wouldn't have given ANY amount of money to defeat Hitler in
    WWII if
    it meant no American lives would have been lost?

    What sort of a moron thinks paying Hitler would have been necessary
    before we could enforce our own laws here in America?

    Oh, and notice how Effa, after demanding I tell him *again* what
    was in
    the bipartisan bill that was bad for America doesn't bother responding >>>>> to any of it. Again.

    Two weeks from now he'll be back to demanding I tell him what's bad
    about the 'bipartisan border bill' again.

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
    like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.


    What's not funny is that you're right.  You WOULD do it if Trump ordered
    it.


    It will all be different this time, Trump's going to get Mexico to pay
    for Gov. Cripple's force busing. That'll show 'em!!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 14:35:49 2024
    In article <usp0lr$5qt4$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit
    didn't give me what *I* wanted.

    It's YOUR wishlist.

    It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.

    Simple logic eludes you yet again.

    Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you pretend you're not part of the movement.

    I didn't even get to vote for a presidential candidate in the March 5
    primary because I don't belong to a political party.

    You keep lying and saying I'm a registered Republican when I'm factually
    not and have a well-documented history of criticizing Republicans for
    their stupid shit, this border bill being just the latest dumbass move
    on their part.

    You lying and pretending I liked the bill (and even personally wrote
    some of it?!?) until Trump called me up and told me to stop liking it is
    just some weird proto-masturbatory fantasy on your part, Shit-Shoes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 14:30:57 2024
    In article <usp0h8$5qt4$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to >>>> like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.

    What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?


    You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Wed Mar 13 03:46:17 2024
    On 3/12/24 5:39 PM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/12/24 5:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usp0h8$5qt4$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/11/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to >>>>>>> like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of >>>>>> 8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.

    What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump
    ordered it.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you? >>>>

    You'd suck his ass clean if he asked.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?


    Sure, taint-breath, sure.  Because  a guy who takes his marching orders from a rapist would never stoop that low, now would he?



    Twat would be a rapist too but his anonymity might be called into
    question. In fact, since he's gone full MAGA now can you ask him if he
    condones the raping?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 04:58:59 2024
    On 3/11/24 2:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmt6h$3ju6f$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 2:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskdb8$300lk$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    They don't like their own bill because Donald Trump TOLD them not to
    like it.

    Sure. If it wasn't for Trump giving me orders, I'd *love* the idea of
    8000 unvetted illegals per day streaming into the country.

    You're a joke.

    What's not funny is that you're right. You WOULD do it if Trump ordered it.

    Well, that's a lie, but then what else have we come to expect from you?


    Agreed, you're takin' orders from the actual white supremacists amirite?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 05:00:59 2024
    On 3/12/24 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usp0lr$5qt4$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/11/24 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <usmtaj$3ju6f$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/24 3:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <uskd6v$300lk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    You asked for what you wanted. Dems said yes.

    No, they didn't or the border would be secure. The Dems sure as shit >>>>> didn't give me what *I* wanted.

    It's YOUR wishlist.

    It's obviously not my wishlist or I wouldn't be complaining about it.

    Simple logic eludes you yet again.

    Sure, because every time your side gets caught with their pants down you
    pretend you're not part of the movement.

    I didn't even get to vote for a presidential candidate in the March 5
    primary because I don't belong to a political party.

    You keep lying and saying I'm a registered Republican when I'm factually
    not and have a well-documented history of criticizing Republicans for
    their stupid shit, this border bill being just the latest dumbass move
    on their part.

    You lying and pretending I liked the bill (and even personally wrote
    some of it?!?) until Trump called me up and told me to stop liking it is
    just some weird proto-masturbatory fantasy on your part, Shit-Shoes.


    You just invented a new category: INIO, Independent in Name Only.
    You're a right wing asshole just like the rest of the right wing
    assholes on the group. Who gives a flying fuck if you can vote in a
    primary? Which varies state by state of course.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Mar 13 23:56:19 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahomans-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate
    take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This >>non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was >violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress >because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' restrooms? >(And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had the girl's father >arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident at a school board >meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if >you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

    Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
    suicide, medical examiner says
    By SEAN MURPHY
    AP
    Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owasso-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

    After the finding of suicide by the state medical examiner, police claim
    that the death looked like suicide at the beginning but they didn't want
    to say anything.

    Huh?

    The police investigation and autopsy are parallel investigations and
    what the police find doesn't influence the finding at autopsy, which is
    a medical finding.

    He died of toxic levels of two drugs.

    But police did say the death wasn't due to injuries received during the
    fight previously.

    Oklahoma police say nonbinary teen's death was not result of injuries
    from high school fight
    By SEAN MURPHY
    AP
    Updated 9:08 PM CDT, February 21, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-owasso-student-death-nonbinary-nex-04f1c51924860d77877016810bc05762

    In the police interview, Nex said he was being picked on by three girls,
    and he then got water and pouredit on them. The girls then came after
    him.

    Nex's grandmother expressed concern about symptoms from his head injury.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Mar 13 19:02:09 2024
    In article <ustef3$17dvd$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahoma
    ns-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This >>non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his >>injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was >violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress >because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls' >restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had
    the girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident
    at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if >you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

    Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
    suicide, medical examiner says

    Well, shit. I wonder if we'll be getting an apology from Hutt any time
    soon.

    By SEAN MURPHY
    AP
    Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owass
    o-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 04:54:26 2024
    On 3/13/24 9:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <ustef3$17dvd$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2024 at 1:05:42 AM PST, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/after-nex-benedicts-death-lgbtq-oklahoma
    ns-vow-to-not-let-the-hate-take-over

    After Nex Benedict's death, LGBTQ+ Oklahomans vow to 'not let the hate >>>> take over'

    Another low point in American history courtesy of Republicans. This
    non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from his
    injuries. There should be a warning cry throughout the country from
    this but only one political party will have the balls to talk about it.

    Oh, Hutt, where were you when a high school girl in Loudoun County, VA was >>> violently raped in her high school restroom by a troon boy wearing dress >>> because leftists thought it was a good idea to let boys into girls'
    restrooms? (And then the high school admin tried to cover it up and had
    the girl's father arrested for trying to expose the whole vile incident
    at a school board meeting.)

    You don't seem to care about kids being violently attacked by other kids if >>> you can't point one of your grotesque claws at it and screech "Republicans!"

    Death of nonbinary teen Nex Benedict after school fight is ruled a
    suicide, medical examiner says

    Well, shit. I wonder if we'll be getting an apology from Hutt any time
    soon.


    And if you're stupid as fuck, which you are, you'd expect nothing but
    the truth in such a case in Oklahoma amirite?


    By SEAN MURPHY
    AP
    Updated 5:18 PM CDT, March 13, 2024
    https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owass
    o-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 04:30:51 2024
    A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary" teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from
    an intentional drug overdose.

    In a statement, the Owasso Police Department said it waited to release the cause of death until the toxicology report was completed, KJRH reported. That toxicology report indicates that Benedict died by suicide, the result of an overdose of Diphenhydramine and Fluoxetine, or, Benadryl and Prozac.

    "From the beginning of this investigation, Owasso Police observed many indications that this death was the result of suicide," the police statement said. "However, investigators did not wish to confirm that information
    without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiners Office."

    The original narrative surrounding Benedict's death was that the teen died as
    a result of a beating from three girls who had been bullying Benedict and Benedict's friends. Teen Vogue reported when the story broke that "a source
    who claimed to be the mother of Benedict's best friend told a local outlet
    the cause of death was `complications from brain trauma,' and that `three
    older girls were beating the victim and her daughter in the girl's
    bathroom.'"

    This same anonymous source told the outlet that Benedict needed help walking
    to the nurses' station after the fight and that Benedict texted a family
    member saying the teen "got jumped at school 3 on 1 had to go to the ER." Benedict also claimed the girls "had been bullying me and my friends and I
    got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me.
    School did not report to the police and is probably getting sued."

    Other media outlets followed that general narrative, while also blaming Oklahoma law that requires students to use the bathroom that corresponds to their biological sex.

    The narrative of the tragedy was revealed to be completely different than
    what certain media outlets reported. Benedict told a police officer while in the hospital with no visible injuries that the three girls didn't actually start the fight, according to The Oklahoman.

    "They said something like `why do they laugh like that,' and they were
    talking about us, in front of us," Benedict told police officer Caleb
    Thompson, referring to the other girls involved in the fight. "So, I went up and poured water on them and all three of them came at me."

    Benedict's mother told the officer that the three girls had bullied Benedict and the teen's friends previously, even claiming the girls had thrown things
    at them. But the actual encounter that took place the day before Benedict
    died involved Benedict instigating the fight. Throughout the interview, Benedict's mother refers to her daughter using female pronouns.

    Thompson also informed Nex that because of this, Benedict could face assault charges.

    "You got freedom of speech," Thompson told Benedict and Benedict's mother, referring to the other teen girls. "The minute you threw water on them you
    made the first jab. It may not go the direction you want it to go."

    "Running the mouth is freedom of speech, unfortunately," the officer adds.
    "You can say mean, hurtful things all day long and you gotta let it roll off your shoulder."

    Benedict returned home from the hospital but the next day, Benedict's mother called 911 to report the teen's breathing was shallow. Benedict died shortly after - due to an overdose, not any physical trauma.

    Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters previously called out the media's portrayal of Benedict's tragic death.

    "I think it's terrible that we've had some radical leftists who decided to
    run with a political agenda and try to weave a narrative that hasn't been true," Walters told The New York Times in February. "You've taken a tragedy, and you've had some folks try to exploit it for political gain."

    "We've been told death wasn't directly related to the fight at school," he added.

    The same New York Times article, several paragraphs above the claims by Walters, suggests that her death was related to the fight the day before, referring to "the death earlier this month of a 16-year-old nonbinary student
    a day after an altercation in a high school girls' bathroom."

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Mar 15 10:48:41 2024
    In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused
    by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.

    A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary" teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from an intentional drug overdose.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sun Mar 17 04:30:42 2024
    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused >> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.

    One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but no...

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 06:30:48 2024
    On 3/15/24 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused >> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.


    Agreed. Right wing assholes in OK clearly suppressed the facts of the
    case until they coroner's report came out. But the cause and effect
    here is clearly evident, and stupid, gutless weasels lacking genitals
    such as you and Pubie would say shit like of course, amirite?


    A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
    teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
    suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from >> an intentional drug overdose.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 06:46:54 2024
    On 3/15/24 12:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <ut1cud$28n2t$2@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused >> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.

    A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary"
    teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media
    suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from >> an intentional drug overdose.


    P.S. if I'm "Trotsky the Hutt" does that make you baby Yoda then because
    you act like such a baby?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Sun Mar 17 14:07:27 2024
    On 3/15/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    A medical examiner has determined that the death of Oklahoma "nonbinary" teenager Nex Benedict, which became a national news story based on media suggestions that the teen died from a beating by bullies, actually died from an intentional drug overdose.

    In a statement, the Owasso Police Department said it waited to release the cause of death until the toxicology report was completed, KJRH reported. That toxicology report indicates that Benedict died by suicide, the result of an overdose of Diphenhydramine and Fluoxetine, or, Benadryl and Prozac.

    "From the beginning of this investigation, Owasso Police observed many indications that this death was the result of suicide," the police statement said. "However, investigators did not wish to confirm that information without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiners Office."

    The original narrative surrounding Benedict's death was that the teen died as a result of a beating from three girls who had been bullying Benedict and Benedict's friends. Teen Vogue reported


    Teen Vogue? That pillar of journalistic integrity got it wrong? How
    can this be?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Sun Mar 17 14:08:21 2024
    On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma' Caused >>> by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.

    One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but no...


    I learned my lesson, I stopped reading Teen Vogue. Ubi-Pubie, not so much.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to gmsingh@email.com on Tue Mar 19 04:30:43 2024
    gmsingh@email.com wrote:
    On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma'
    Caused by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon
    here on RAT, did as well.

    One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson, but
    no...

    I learned my lesson,

    The facts do not support your cliam.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to FPP on Wed Mar 20 03:14:15 2024
    On 3/19/24 8:57 AM, FPP wrote:
    On 3/17/24 3:08 PM, trotsky wrote:
    On 3/17/24 3:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Media Ran With Claim That 'Nonbinary' Teen Died from 'Brain Trauma'
    Caused
    by Bullies. It Was Actually a Drug Overdose.

    Not just the media. Trotsky the Hutt, our very own suborbital cockwagon >>>> here on RAT, did as well.

    One would think these Leftists would eventually learn their lesson,
    but no...


    I learned my lesson, I stopped reading Teen Vogue.  Ubi-Pubie, not so
    much.


    Ubi and Matt Gaetz, why am I not surprised at the pairing?



    Two peas in a pod being slowly eaten by aphids.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to trotsky on Sun Mar 31 08:55:10 2024
    "trotsky" wrote:

    This non-binary kid was beaten so severely in school that he died from
    his [sic] injuries.

    More information has been revealed on the death of Nex Benedict, the 16- year-old girl whose death was exploited by the media to pretend anti-trans bigotry led to her death.

    Originally, the media suggested she was gender non-binary. They claimed she
    was abused by other students at her high school, beaten up in a bathroom, and then died due to injuries from the fight.

    It turns out, not one element of that was true. It turns out, Benedict
    started the fight in the bathroom. It turns out, Benedict had returned to her normal state of health after that fight.

    And it turns out, Benedict committed suicide. So every major element of the mainstream medias report was false.

    New details have now come to light about the life of Nex Benedict, which demonstrate as per usual, when young people commit suicide, it is not because society is mean to them due to their gender non-binary status; it is largely because there are extreme mental health co-morbidities with that identification.

    That is particularly true in this case a tragic, horrifying case. As
    RedState reported:

    Now that we have the full autopsy report for Dagney (Nex) Benedict,
    many of the questions surrounding her overdose have been answered. The
    full report, released by the Chief Medical Officer and Board of
    Medicolegal Investigations on March 27th, 2024, confirms what the
    earlier Medical Examiners Office reported on March 13th, 2024. There
    were massive amounts of Diphenhydramine, more commonly known over
    the counter as Benadryl, in Dagneys blood.

    Dr. Paul Wax, the Executive Director of the American College of
    Toxicology, reviewed the results and confirmed she could have consumed
    50 to 100 pills to reach that toxicity level. Her routine medication,
    fluoxetine, for bipolar disorder was present and may have contributed,
    a second authority concluded. Her death was intentionally self-
    inflicted.

    The report indicated, The 11 pages released indicate handwritten notes
    suggestive of self-harm were found in Nexs room by family members,
    and that the teen has a history of bipolar disorder, depression,
    anxiety, self-harm (cutting).

    While advocacy groups remain insistent that her distress sourced from
    bullying at school, Dagney did not indicate this in her last notes.
    The Owasso Police Department released a statement saying, Although
    the notes do not make any reference to the earlier fight or difficulties
    at school, the parents indicated that Benedict reported being picked
    upon for various reasons while at school.

    As is usual in these cases, there is much more to the story. A hint was
    provided by the Washington Post on February 21st, 2024, that never made
    it beyond that report. Describing Dagneys funeral, the article states
    that Dagneys cousin spoke along with her mother and Benedict. Nexs
    biological mother was among the mourners; their father, who is in
    prison for abuse, was not.

    So where was Dad? What happened to the father? RedState continues the story, saying:

    On July 17th, 2019, when Dagney was 11 years old, an arrest warrant
    was issued for James Everette Hughes, Dagneys father. He was arrested
    on July 31st, 2019, in Sebastian County, AR. The charge was for rape of
    a minor under the age of 14, during the time period between May 2017
    and August 2017, when Dagney was nine years old. Among many witnesses
    was Sue Benedict, the grandmother who would adopt Dagney in 2019.

    Hughes would accept a plea deal to sexual assault in the second degree
    on November 27th, 2019. He was sentenced to five years in prison with
    ten years suspended. He would be placed on the sex offender list and
    have no contact with his daughter. He was arrested again on January
    25th, 2024, by the Little Rock Police Department for failing to comply
    with reporting as a sex offender.

    That was two weeks before Dagney took her own life. The details of the rest
    of this story are difficult to read.

    Hughes new case, in Pulaski County, AR, 60CR-24-894: State v. James
    Everette Hughes, was filed on March 5th, 2024 for the offense of failing
    to register as a sex offender or report address change. Case details
    are difficult to read, and the following information is graphic. In the
    report, Dagney, age 11, would tell investigators her father anally raped
    her when she was nine years old. She reported he had molested her for
    years prior.

    This is obviously a story of horrific physical sexual abuse of a child by her own father that resulted in confusion, mental illness, and problems that deserve nothing but sympathy.

    But the media treated this as a case of conservative anti-trans bigotry,
    which is insane, sick, and wrong. Will the media walk any of what they did
    back here?

    Of course not because their original story backs their particular narrative. That particular narrative is that America is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad place.

    And their proof of that is that Nex Benedict, a young girl, committed suicide and that she must have done so because society was too mean to her as
    opposed to the very specific circumstances of what appears to be a deeply tragic life.

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    Let's go Brandon!

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