• The Florida measles outbreak is expanding.

    From Baata@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 19:27:51 2024
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    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by order
    of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a child under age 5.

    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak, and the first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary School in Weston,
    near Fort Lauderdale.

    Its unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the school,
    but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are not going to stay contained just to that one school, not when a virus is this infectious, said Dr. David Kimberlin, co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of Friday
    there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024 most
    related to international travel. In January, there were nine measles cases
    in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If there are no more
    cases reported there as of early next week, the Philadelphia outbreak will
    be declared over.) Late Friday, Michigans health department announced
    that it, too, had identified a measles case its first since 2019.

    Floridas outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Floridas health officials are doing or not doing is drawing fire from experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that the decision of the states Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let parents
    decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep going to
    school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know of, said Kimberlin. Its like a heat-seeking missile. It will find the people who
    are not immune, and theyre going to get sick.

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if exposed.

    Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate, said Katelyn Jetelina, who
    tracks illnesses for a website called Your Local Epidemiologist. This is especially true for outbreaks of measles, she said, because of how
    incredibly contagious the virus is and the fact that people who are
    infected can spread it for up to three weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday, Ladapo
    wrote, Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as well as the
    burden on families and educational cost of healthy children missing
    school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about
    school attendance.

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles high
    fever, rash, red, watery eyes but did not encourage vaccination.
    How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the state
    also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected with measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated children
    who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the mumps-measles-
    rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of post-exposure prophylaxis, she said.

    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got the
    shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or more
    to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over, Roberts said.

    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public health guidance: identify and isolate patients and tell the public what to do.

    We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this
    outbreak, Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against
    infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids whod been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested that families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    We did not leave it up to the parents, Roberts said. It was not an
    order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt like
    they didnt have a choice.

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in 2023
    and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to the
    CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are vulnerable,
    and some may have siblings too young to be fully vaccinated. Meanwhile,
    vaccine exemptions in Florida have been ticking up in recent years,
    according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay Elementary students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News earlier
    this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now. She has twin
    baby boys who were born prematurely and arent yet old enough for the
    first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting at age 1.

    Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned she
    will get the virus and bring it home, said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national vaccine exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC report found that
    3% of children entering kindergarten during the 2022-2023 school year were granted a vaccine exemption from their state. This is the highest
    exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need
    vaccines, said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor. Theyre
    gonna find out pretty soon.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Baata on Sat Feb 24 21:32:02 2024
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    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by order
    of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a child under age 5.

    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak, and the first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary School in Weston, near Fort Lauderdale.

    It’s unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the school, but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are “not going to stay contained just to that one school, not when a virus is this infectious,” said Dr. David Kimberlin, co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of Friday there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024 — most related to international travel. In January, there were nine measles cases
    in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If there are no more
    cases reported there as of early next week, the Philadelphia outbreak will
    be declared over.) Late Friday, Michigan’s health department announced
    that it, too, had identified a measles case — its first since 2019.

    Florida’s outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Florida’s health officials are doing — or not doing — is drawing fire from experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that the decision of the state’s Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let parents decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep going to
    school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    “Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know of,” said Kimberlin. “It’s like a heat-seeking missile. It will find the people who are not immune, and they’re going to get sick.”

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if exposed.

    “Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate,” said Katelyn Jetelina, who tracks illnesses for a website called “Your Local Epidemiologist.” This is especially true for outbreaks of measles, she said, because of how
    incredibly contagious the virus is and the fact that people who are
    infected can spread it for up to three weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday, Ladapo wrote, “Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as well as the burden on families and educational cost of healthy children missing
    school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about school attendance.”

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles — high fever, rash, red, watery eyes — but did not encourage vaccination.
    How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the state
    also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected with measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated children
    who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the mumps-measles- rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of “post-exposure prophylaxis,” she said.

    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got the
    shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or more
    to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    “By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over,” Roberts said.

    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public health guidance: identify and isolate patients — and tell the public what to do.

    “We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this outbreak,” Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids who’d been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested that families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    “We did not leave it up to the parents,” Roberts said. “It was not an order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt like
    they didn’t have a choice.”

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in 2023
    and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to the
    CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are vulnerable,
    and some may have siblings too young to be fully vaccinated. Meanwhile, vaccine exemptions in Florida have been ticking up in recent years,
    according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay Elementary students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News earlier this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now. She has twin baby boys who were born prematurely and aren’t yet old enough for the
    first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting at age 1.

    “Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned she will get the virus and bring it home,” said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national vaccine exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC report found that
    3% of children entering kindergarten during the 2022-2023 school year were granted a vaccine exemption from their state. This is the highest
    exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    “More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need vaccines,” said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor. “They’re gonna find out pretty soon.”

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk is very low.
    Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why all of a sudden?

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    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From Johnny@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat Feb 24 15:42:53 2024
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    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Johnny on Sat Feb 24 22:06:15 2024
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    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.


    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking, isolating and other
    draconian rules yet the migrants being let into the country had no medical checks done unless they
    were half dead and obviously ill.



    --
    pothead
    Tommy Chong For President 2024.
    Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
    Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

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  • From AlleyCat@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat Feb 24 14:12:00 2024
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    On 2/24/2024 1:32 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by order
    of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health officials in
    Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a child under age 5. >>
    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak, and the >> first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary School in Weston, >> near Fort Lauderdale.

    It’s unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the school, >> but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are “not going to stay contained just to that one school, not when a >> virus is this infectious,” said Dr. David Kimberlin, co-director of the
    division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at
    Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of Friday
    there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024 — most
    related to international travel. In January, there were nine measles cases >> in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If there are no more
    cases reported there as of early next week, the Philadelphia outbreak will >> be declared over.) Late Friday, Michigan’s health department announced
    that it, too, had identified a measles case — its first since 2019.

    Florida’s outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Florida’s health officials are doing — or not doing — is drawing fire from
    experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge,
    US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that the
    decision of the state’s Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let parents
    decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep going to
    school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    “Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know of,” said >> Kimberlin. “It’s like a heat-seeking missile. It will find the people who >> are not immune, and they’re going to get sick.”

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if exposed.

    “Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate,” said Katelyn Jetelina, who
    tracks illnesses for a website called “Your Local Epidemiologist.” This is >> especially true for outbreaks of measles, she said, because of how
    incredibly contagious the virus is and the fact that people who are
    infected can spread it for up to three weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday, Ladapo
    wrote, “Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as well as the
    burden on families and educational cost of healthy children missing
    school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about
    school attendance.”

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles — high
    fever, rash, red, watery eyes — but did not encourage vaccination.
    How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the state
    also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected with
    measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated children
    who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the mumps-measles-
    rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of “post-exposure prophylaxis,” she said. >>
    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got the
    shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or more
    to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    “By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over,” Roberts said.

    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public health
    guidance: identify and isolate patients — and tell the public what to do. >>
    “We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this
    outbreak,” Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against
    infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids who’d been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested that
    families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    “We did not leave it up to the parents,” Roberts said. “It was not an
    order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt like
    they didn’t have a choice.”

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in 2023
    and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to the
    CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are vulnerable,
    and some may have siblings too young to be fully vaccinated. Meanwhile,
    vaccine exemptions in Florida have been ticking up in recent years,
    according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public Schools
    Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay Elementary
    students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News earlier >> this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now. She has twin >> baby boys who were born prematurely and aren’t yet old enough for the
    first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting at age 1.

    “Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned she
    will get the virus and bring it home,” said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national vaccine
    exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC report found that
    3% of children entering kindergarten during the 2022-2023 school year were >> granted a vaccine exemption from their state. This is the highest
    exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    “More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need
    vaccines,” said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor. “They’re
    gonna find out pretty soon.”

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots,

    No.

    these are proven vaccines and the risk is very low.

    The COVID MRNA vaccines are proven to:

    * reduce (not eliminate) the likelihood of contracting COVID-19
    * dramatically reduce the symptoms
    * dramatically reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death
    * have very low risk

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Johnny on Sat Feb 24 14:12:55 2024
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    On 2/24/2024 1:42 PM, Johnny wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border.

    No.

    Biden immediately flies and buses them all across the country.

    We know this is a lie.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat Feb 24 22:22:43 2024
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    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:urdn8i$1d0j1$8@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by
    order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a
    child under age 5.

    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak,
    and the first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary
    School in Weston, near Fort Lauderdale.

    It’s unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the
    school, but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are “not going to stay contained just to that one school, not
    when a virus is this infectious,” said Dr. David Kimberlin,
    co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the
    University of Alabama at Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of
    Friday there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024
    — most related to international travel. In January, there were nine
    measles cases in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If
    there are no more cases reported there as of early next week, the
    Philadelphia outbreak will be declared over.) Late Friday,
    Michigan’s health department announced that it, too, had identified
    a measles case — its first since 2019.

    Florida’s outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Florida’s health officials are doing — or not doing — is drawing
    fire from experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in
    Rockledge, US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via
    AP file) Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program
    in Rockledge, US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA
    via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that
    the decision of the state’s Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let
    parents decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep
    going to school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    “Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know
    of,” said Kimberlin. “It’s like a heat-seeking missile. It will
    find the people who are not immune, and they’re going to get sick.”

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if
    exposed.

    “Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate,” said Katelyn Jetelina,
    who tracks illnesses for a website called “Your Local
    Epidemiologist.” This is especially true for outbreaks of measles,
    she said, because of how incredibly contagious the virus is and the
    fact that people who are infected can spread it for up to three
    weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday,
    Ladapo wrote, “Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as
    well as the burden on families and educational cost of healthy
    children missing school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to
    make decisions about school attendance.”

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles —
    high fever, rash, red, watery eyes — but did not encourage
    vaccination. How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the
    state also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected
    with measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be
    hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated
    children who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the
    mumps-measles- rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of “post-exposure
    prophylaxis,” she said.

    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got
    the shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or
    more to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    “By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over,” Roberts
    said.

    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public
    health guidance: identify and isolate patients — and tell the public
    what to do.

    “We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this
    outbreak,” Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against
    infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids who’d been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested
    that families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    “We did not leave it up to the parents,” Roberts said. “It was not
    an order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt
    like they didn’t have a choice.”

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in
    2023 and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to
    the CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are
    vulnerable, and some may have siblings too young to be fully
    vaccinated. Meanwhile, vaccine exemptions in Florida have been
    ticking up in recent years, according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public
    Schools Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay
    Elementary students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News
    earlier this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now.
    She has twin baby boys who were born prematurely and aren’t yet old
    enough for the first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting
    at age 1.

    “Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned
    she will get the virus and bring it home,” said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national
    vaccine exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC
    report found that 3% of children entering kindergarten during the
    2022-2023 school year were granted a vaccine exemption from their
    state. This is the highest exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    “More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need
    vaccines,” said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor.
    “They’re gonna find out pretty soon.”

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk is
    very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why all
    of a sudden?


    They are out there everywhere, all the time. They have not been
    eradicated like smallpox.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Johnny on Sat Feb 24 22:23:11 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20240224154253.2a726e74@Johnny:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Nope,

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Sat Feb 24 22:26:11 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    David Hartung <junk@LCMS_shitbags.org> wrote in news:HRtCN.337998 $Ama9.99976@fx12.iad:

    On 2/24/2024 1:42 PM, Johnny wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border.

    No.

    Biden immediately flies and buses them all across the country.

    We know this is a lie.



    Florida is now a source of measles for the rest of the country and even
    the world.

    Anywhere there is unvaccinated, you will find these diseases,

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 15:33:39 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    In article <urdq8e$1dufp$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
    says...

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20240224154253.2a726e74@Johnny:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Nope,

    Prove him wrong.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sun Feb 25 02:24:26 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in news:MPG.40441cabe77595b5991e77@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <urdq8e$1dufp$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in
    news:20240224154253.2a726e74@Johnny:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the
    risk is very low. Parents really need to get their kids
    vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and
    buses them all across the country.

    Nope,

    Prove him wrong.


    You're the one parroting the Conspiracy Theory - you prove YOUR claim.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Feb 25 17:52:33 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking, isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into the country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Feb 25 17:42:49 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:12:00 -0800
    AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> wrote:
    On 2/24/2024 1:32 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by order >> of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health officials in >> Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a child under age 5. >>
    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak, and the >> first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary School in Weston, >> near Fort Lauderdale.

    It’s unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the school, >> but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are “not going to stay contained just to that one school, not when a
    virus is this infectious,” said Dr. David Kimberlin, co-director of the >> division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at >> Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of Friday >> there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024 — most
    related to international travel. In January, there were nine measles cases >> in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If there are no more
    cases reported there as of early next week, the Philadelphia outbreak will >> be declared over.) Late Friday, Michigan’s health department announced
    that it, too, had identified a measles case — its first since 2019.

    Florida’s outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Florida’s health officials are doing — or not doing — is drawing fire from
    experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge, >> US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in Rockledge, >> US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that the
    decision of the state’s Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let parents >> decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep going to
    school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    “Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know of,” said
    Kimberlin. “It’s like a heat-seeking missile. It will find the people who
    are not immune, and they’re going to get sick.”

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if exposed.

    “Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate,” said Katelyn Jetelina, who >> tracks illnesses for a website called “Your Local Epidemiologist.” This is
    especially true for outbreaks of measles, she said, because of how
    incredibly contagious the virus is and the fact that people who are
    infected can spread it for up to three weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday, Ladapo
    wrote, “Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as well as the
    burden on families and educational cost of healthy children missing
    school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about >> school attendance.”

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles — high >> fever, rash, red, watery eyes — but did not encourage vaccination.
    How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the state >> also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected with >> measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated children >> who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the mumps-measles-
    rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of “post-exposure prophylaxis,” she said.

    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got the
    shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or more >> to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    “By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over,” Roberts said. >>
    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public health
    guidance: identify and isolate patients — and tell the public what to do. >>
    “We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this
    outbreak,” Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against
    infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids who’d been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested that >> families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    “We did not leave it up to the parents,” Roberts said. “It was not an >> order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt like
    they didn’t have a choice.”

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in 2023 >> and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to the
    CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are vulnerable,
    and some may have siblings too young to be fully vaccinated. Meanwhile,
    vaccine exemptions in Florida have been ticking up in recent years,
    according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public Schools >> Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay Elementary
    students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News earlier >> this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now. She has twin >> baby boys who were born prematurely and aren’t yet old enough for the
    first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting at age 1.

    “Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned she >> will get the virus and bring it home,” said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national vaccine >> exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC report found that >> 3% of children entering kindergarten during the 2022-2023 school year were >> granted a vaccine exemption from their state. This is the highest
    exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    “More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need
    vaccines,” said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor. “They’re >> gonna find out pretty soon.”

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots,

    No.

    these are proven vaccines and the risk is very low.

    The COVID MRNA vaccines are proven to:

    * reduce (not eliminate) the likelihood of contracting COVID-19
    * dramatically reduce the symptoms
    * dramatically reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death
    * have very low risk

    ...and have proven to save lives. I know people who
    were infected (they tested positive) and they are so
    glad they got vaccinated against COVID-19 because it
    could have been fatal for them if they hadn't.

    Unfortunately, there are many people who haven't
    been immunized against COVID-19 (and its variants)
    who got infected and either died or now have what
    appear to be permanent long-term health problems
    (e.g., memory loss, or malfunctioning olfactory
    system, respiratory challenges, regular fevers,
    extreme fatigue, regular occurances of short bursts
    of rapid heart beats, blood clots, diarrhea, odd
    rashes in unexpected parts of the body, etc.).

    Those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and
    who are reasonably healthy tend to not have the
    above-mentioned symptoms (and if they do, they tend
    to not be permanent).

    The anti-vaccine position is both a pro-death and
    pro-cancer position because vaccines save lives by
    helping the human immune have a home-field advantage
    against deadly diseases, and because some vaccines
    help the human immune system prevent certain types
    of cancer (such as HPV family of cancers).

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon Feb 26 11:21:22 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:urdq8e$1dufp$3@dont-email.me...
    Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote in news:20240224154253.2a726e74@Johnny:

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Nope,

    Yes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon Feb 26 11:24:47 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:urdqe3$1dufp$4@dont-email.me...
    David Hartung <junk@LCMS_shitbags.org> wrote in news:HRtCN.337998 $Ama9.99976@fx12.iad:

    On 2/24/2024 1:42 PM, Johnny wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border.

    No.

    Biden immediately flies and buses them all across the country.

    We know this is a lie.



    Florida is now a source of measles for the rest of the country and even
    the world.

    Anywhere there is unvaccinated, you will find these diseases,

    Like illegal immigrants, who are unvaccinated?

    Once again we see Baxter step into his own shit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 11:25:49 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking,
    isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into the
    country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does any of
    that. Quite the contrary actually.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon Feb 26 11:26:59 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:urdq7j$1dufp$2@dont-email.me...
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:urdn8i$1d0j1$8@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:
    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested by
    order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the virus, a
    child under age 5.

    The patient is the youngest so far to be infected in the outbreak,
    and the first to be identified outside of Manatee Bay Elementary
    School in Weston, near Fort Lauderdale.

    It's unknown what connection the youngest measles case has to the
    school, but the spread beyond school-age kids was expected.

    Cases are "not going to stay contained just to that one school, not
    when a virus is this infectious," said Dr. David Kimberlin,
    co-director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the
    University of Alabama at Birmingham.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that as of
    Friday there have been at least 35 measles cases in 15 states in 2024
    - most related to international travel. In January, there were nine
    measles cases in Pennsylvania, eight of them in Philadelphia. (If
    there are no more cases reported there as of early next week, the
    Philadelphia outbreak will be declared over.) Late Friday,
    Michigan's health department announced that it, too, had identified
    a measles case - its first since 2019.

    Florida's outbreak is the largest in the U.S. right now. And what
    Florida's health officials are doing - or not doing - is drawing
    fire from experts who study the way diseases spread.
    Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program in
    Rockledge, US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA via
    AP file) Florida Gov. DeSantis Announces New Opioid Recovery Program
    in Rockledge, US - 03 Aug 2022 (Paul Hennessy / SOPA Images/Sipa USA
    via AP file)

    Measles is so contagious and has such a long incubation period that
    the decision of the state's Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo to let
    parents decide whether to quarantine their children or let them keep
    going to school could allow cases to spread, experts warn.

    "Measles is the most infectious pathogen in humans that we know
    of," said Kimberlin. "It's like a heat-seeking missile. It will
    find the people who are not immune, and they're going to get sick."

    Unvaccinated people have a 90% chance of becoming infected if
    exposed.

    "Epidemiology 101 is identify and isolate," said Katelyn Jetelina,
    who tracks illnesses for a website called "Your Local
    Epidemiologist." This is especially true for outbreaks of measles,
    she said, because of how incredibly contagious the virus is and the
    fact that people who are infected can spread it for up to three
    weeks.

    In a letter sent to parents at the elementary school on Tuesday,
    Ladapo wrote, "Due to the high immunity rate in the community, as
    well as the burden on families and educational cost of healthy
    children missing school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to
    make decisions about school attendance."

    The letter said that parents should watch for symptoms of measles -
    high fever, rash, red, watery eyes - but did not encourage
    vaccination. How Ohio got measles quickly under control

    When Columbus, Ohio, Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts was
    confronted with a surging measles outbreak in 2022, parents in the
    state also got a letter, with a very different message.

    Eighty-five children, mostly unvaccinated toddlers, became infected
    with measles in central Ohio. Nearly half, 42%, had to be
    hospitalized.

    When the Ohio outbreak began, Roberts advised that unvaccinated
    children who had been exposed to measles receive one dose of the
    mumps-measles- rubella (MMR) vaccine as a form of "post-exposure
    prophylaxis," she said.

    The 21-day quarantine was reduced to just 72 hours for kids who got
    the shot.

    Infectious disease experts told Roberts it could take six months or
    more to get it under control. She and her team did it in three.

    "By February, we were able to declare the outbreak over," Roberts
    said.

    Roberts attributes that success to sticking with standard public
    health guidance: identify and isolate patients - and tell the public
    what to do.

    "We were very clear with what we needed to do to try to control this
    outbreak," Roberts said.

    Ohio's guidance included:

    Encouraging the MMR vaccine, which offers 97% protection against
    infection.

    Keeping unvaccinated kids who'd been exposed to the virus out of
    school, daycare and other activities for 21 days.

    The letter from Columbus public health officials strongly suggested
    that families comply with the suggested quarantine.

    "We did not leave it up to the parents," Roberts said. "It was not
    an order, but the way that we wrote the letter, people probably felt
    like they didn't have a choice."

    Since the 2022 outbreak, Ohio has reported only one measles case in
    2023 and at least one so far in 2024.

    An estimated 1 in 5 measles patients is hospitalized, according to
    the CDC. And one to three out of 1,000 patients will die.

    In Florida, dozens of students at the elementary school are
    vulnerable, and some may have siblings too young to be fully
    vaccinated. Meanwhile, vaccine exemptions in Florida have been
    ticking up in recent years, according to CDC data.

    During a school board meeting on Wednesday, Broward County Public
    Schools Superintendent Peter Licata said 33 of the 1,067 Manatee Bay
    Elementary students are unvaccinated.

    Maria Caballero, whose daughter attends Manatee Bay, told NBC News
    earlier this week that she is keeping the girl out of school for now.
    She has twin baby boys who were born prematurely and aren't yet old
    enough for the first dose of the MMR vaccine, which is given starting
    at age 1.

    "Even though my 10-year-old is fully vaccinated, I am just concerned
    she will get the virus and bring it home," said Caballero.

    The Florida outbreak comes at a time when the number of national
    vaccine exemptions has reached an all-time high. A November CDC
    report found that 3% of children entering kindergarten during the
    2022-2023 school year were granted a vaccine exemption from their
    state. This is the highest exemption rate ever reported in the U.S.

    "More and more people are questioning vaccines and why people need
    vaccines," said Kimberlin, the University of Alabama doctor.
    "They're gonna find out pretty soon."

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk is
    very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why all
    of a sudden?


    They are out there everywhere, all the time. They have not been
    eradicated like smallpox.

    Yea, and open borders with diseased individuals regularly crossing would
    have NOTHING to do with any spread of such diseases.. right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 10:26:36 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    In article <uriepg$2kpsu$23@dont-email.me>, me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...

    "Randolf Richardson???" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking,
    isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into the
    country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does any of that. Quite the contrary actually.


    I laugh at people wearing masks still today.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Feb 26 11:50:17 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:25:49 -0500
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking,
    isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into the
    country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does any of that. Quite the contrary actually.

    Of course masks are zero proof -- nobody's dousing
    them in bar fuel (a.k.a., alcohol).

    Interestingly, there is plenty of scientific and
    medical evidence that support the simple preventive
    practise of wearing masks to combat disease. For
    the COVID-19 coronavirus it's recommended that the
    minimum standard of N95 be used (and don't douse
    them in alcohol no matter what Alan Wakefield or
    Jordan Peterson tell you).

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 15:41:14 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message news:20240226115017.69f2df4345b4d13e8b6657ff@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:25:49 -0500
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message >> news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk
    is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and
    buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking,
    isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into
    the
    country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does any of
    that. Quite the contrary actually.

    Of course masks are zero proof -- nobody's dousing
    them in bar fuel (a.k.a., alcohol).

    Interestingly, there is plenty of scientific and
    medical evidence that support the simple preventive
    practise of wearing masks to combat disease. For
    the COVID-19 coronavirus it's recommended that the
    minimum standard of N95 be used (and don't douse
    them in alcohol no matter what Alan Wakefield or
    Jordan Peterson tell you).


    Yea, and who exactly has tons of N95 masks during a pandemic? Heck, even the hospitals couldn't get enough.
    The public was told to use some random pieces of fabric as if putting a
    screen door on a submarine is going to keep the water out.

    "But here’s the most eye-opening finding: “Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness/COVID‐19-like illness compared to not wearing masks.” In other words, masks didn’t do much — if anything."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/964861/a-major-new-study-shows-that-masks-dont-stop-the-spread-of-covid-will-the-mandaters-apologize/

    So, yes, if you actually have enough N95 masks to blanket the nation and continue doing so every few hours. Since N95 masks are one use only.

    Yea, you can use them multiple times but their effectiveness, and thus value decreases rapidly.

    Then there is the cost of them. $1-$2 under normal times but in a pandemic
    you might not be able to get them at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Feb 26 13:19:10 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    Scout wrote:
    They are out there everywhere, all the time.  They have not been
    eradicated like smallpox.

    Yea, and open borders with diseased individuals regularly crossing
    would have NOTHING to do with any spread of such diseases.. right?



    Like Disney World?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Mon Feb 26 22:08:44 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    Skeeter <Skeeterweed@proton.me> wrote in news:MPG.404677b8170efe01991eca@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <uriepg$2kpsu$23@dont-email.me>, me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...

    "Randolf Richardson???" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in
    message
    news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be
    arrested by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the
    risk is very low. Parents really need to get their kids
    vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and
    why all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and
    buses them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow
    masking, isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants
    being let into the country had no medical checks done unless they
    were half dead and obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does
    any of that. Quite the contrary actually.


    I laugh at people wearing masks still today.

    Strange - they wear them in other countries to good effect.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Feb 26 21:15:24 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism

    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:41:14 -0500
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message news:20240226115017.69f2df4345b4d13e8b6657ff@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 11:25:49 -0500
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Randolf Richardson張文道" <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote in message
    news:20240225175233.f933beaf780263fdf69de39b@canadianatheists.ca...
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:06:15 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-24, Baata <bigtrumpfailurex@protonmail.com> wrote:

    Don't get your child vaccinated or both of you will be arrested
    by order of Gov DeSantis.


    The Florida measles outbreak is expanding. On Friday, health
    officials in Broward County confirmed a seventh case of the
    virus, a child under age 5.

    Cut!

    Unlike the COVID MRNA shots, these are proven vaccines and the risk >> >> >> is very low. Parents really need to get their kids vaccinated.

    The real question is WHERE are these diseases coming from and why
    all of a sudden?

    They are coming across the border. Biden immediately flies and
    buses
    them all across the country.

    Indeed.
    And during COVID, the legal citizens of the USA had to follow masking, >> >> isolating and other draconian rules yet the migrants being let into
    the
    country had no medical checks done unless they were half dead and
    obviously ill.

    What's the problem with wearing a mask? By doing
    so you protect others and yourself, and it's such
    an easy and inexpensive thing for people to do.

    Nice narrative.. to bad there is virtually zero proof that it does any of >> that. Quite the contrary actually.

    Of course masks are zero proof -- nobody's dousing
    them in bar fuel (a.k.a., alcohol).

    Interestingly, there is plenty of scientific and
    medical evidence that support the simple preventive
    practise of wearing masks to combat disease. For
    the COVID-19 coronavirus it's recommended that the
    minimum standard of N95 be used (and don't douse
    them in alcohol no matter what Alan Wakefield or
    Jordan Peterson tell you).

    Correction: I meant "Andrew Wakefield" (not Alan).

    Yea, and who exactly has tons of N95 masks during a pandemic? Heck, even the hospitals couldn't get enough.

    We got that sorted out in Canada by opening the markets
    for N95 masks to other countries, which is why KN95 masks
    became widely available.

    The public was told to use some random pieces of fabric as if putting a screen door on a submarine is going to keep the water out.

    Actually it does help. It's not as effective as the N95
    standard, but a reduced level of efficacy is stil better
    than zero efficacy.

    "But here’s the most eye-opening finding: “Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness/COVID‐19-like illness compared to not wearing masks.” In other words, masks didn’t do much — if anything."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/964861/a-major-new-study-shows-that-masks-dont-stop-the-spread-of-covid-will-the-mandaters-apologize/

    The study they cited addresses the spread of diseases,
    and the study's author concluded:

    "The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in
    outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with
    the interventions during the studies hampers drawing
    firm conclusions. ..."

    ...and...

    "... Harms associated with physical interventions were
    under‐investigated. ..."

    The author also indicates the "need for a large, well-
    designed" study "in multiple settings and populations."

    In other words, the study doesn't provide the necessary
    quality to validate the claims of the article that you
    referenced, and I therefore reject it as an unreliable
    source of information.

    So, yes, if you actually have enough N95 masks to blanket the nation and continue doing so every few hours. Since N95 masks are one use only.

    What do you mean by "one use?" N95's remain effective
    for up to a week according to experts in this article:

    How Many Times Can You Wear an N95 Face Mask?
    https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2022/reusing-n95-masks.html

    I think most people here in would replace them after
    a few days, on average. I usually did this, unless
    my mask got wet or I thought it was dirty/defective
    (in which case I'd replace it as soon as possible).

    Yea, you can use them multiple times but their effectiveness, and thus value decreases rapidly.

    It decreases at varying rates depending on various
    factors, but you're at least correct that they do
    degrade with use (as the article I linked above
    delves into, at least somewhat).

    Then there is the cost of them. $1-$2 under normal times but in a pandemic you might not be able to get them at all.

    Availability risk is an excellent justification for
    getting vaccinated, and for keeping immunizations
    up-to-date.

    Life comes with many challenges, and so it's better
    to be prepared in all the ways that you can -- the
    easiest way to prepare your immune system to fight
    off certain diseases (including COVID-19) is to get
    fully vaccinated.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)