In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's >megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically >hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot
and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 23:48:56 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's
megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically
hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot
and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
Wonder what her reasoning was.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
Haven't seen an image in ages but I used to run across his sermons
when switching between channels. It looks like it was designed as
though they though God was a giant and was going to show up inside the building one day. Otherwise I don't know why you would have ceilings
100 or more feet above the people.
On Feb 11, 2024 at 3:59:36 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 23:48:56 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's
megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically >>> hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot
and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
Wonder what her reasoning was.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
Haven't seen an image in ages but I used to run across his sermons
when switching between channels. It looks like it was designed as
though they though God was a giant and was going to show up inside the
building one day. Otherwise I don't know why you would have ceilings
100 or more feet above the people.
This is Second Baptist Church in Houston, where I used to play principal >trumpet in the orchestra for spending money when I was in law school. (Yes, it >has its own symphony orchestra.)
https://ibb.co/jLdYz45
https://ibb.co/tXtGS83
https://ibb.co/mDDMkfZ
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 11, 2024 at 3:59:36 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 23:48:56 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's
megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically >>> hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot >>> and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
Wonder what her reasoning was.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-3415e1b
ac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
Haven't seen an image in ages but I used to run across his sermons
when switching between channels. It looks like it was designed as
though they though God was a giant and was going to show up inside the
building one day. Otherwise I don't know why you would have ceilings
100 or more feet above the people.
This is Second Baptist Church in Houston, where I used to play principal >trumpet in the orchestra for spending money when I was in law school. (Yes, >it has its own symphony orchestra.)
https://ibb.co/jLdYz45
https://ibb.co/tXtGS83
https://ibb.co/mDDMkfZ
Nice little place.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot
and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-3415e1
bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
Otherwise I don't know why you would have ceilings
100 or more feet above the people.
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-34
15e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
She was indeed another troon.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman
wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's >>>>>> megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was
critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working >>>>>> security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another man was
wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-34 >>>>>> 15e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas shooter.
The theory, which began on the forum website 4chan, was spread by
right-wing Facebook pages and even Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona."
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church shooter was transgender."
"The Far Right Is Spreading Misinformation Claiming the Lakewood Church Shooter Was Trans.
The far-right is desperate to make “trans terrorism” a thing. So desperate, in fact, that it’s willing to push out incorrect or false information just to shore up their baseless narrative that trans people
are inherently dangerous.
The latest example has played out since Sunday, when a woman, with her 7-year-old son in tow, walked into the Lakewood megachurch in Houston,
Texas, and opened fire with an AR-15."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman
wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel Osteen's >>>>>>> megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was
critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers working >>>>>>> security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another man was >>>>>>> wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car
dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-34
15e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas
shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church shooter was
transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>, >>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman >>>>>>>> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel >>>>>>>>> Osteen's
megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers >>>>>>>>> working
security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another man was >>>>>>>>> wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewood-34
15e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
Texas
shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church
shooter was
transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would
actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear what
gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is
believed to be
the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the
church with
her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-worshippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>, >>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman >>>>>>> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel
Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers
working security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another >>>>>>>> man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewo >>>>>>>> od-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas >>> shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church shooter was >>> transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would
actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear what gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is believed to be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the church with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-wors
hippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-
opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
FPP
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
A person who believes they are the opposite gender clearly has
a psychological illness and should be talking to psychiatrist, not
chopping off their tits and shooting up testosterone in an insane
attempt to magically become the opposite gender.
In article <uql8hs$3bjqm$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>, >>>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman >>>>>>>>> wrote:
In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel >>>>>>>>>> Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers >>>>>>>>>> working security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another >>>>>>>>>> man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewo >>>>>>>>>> od-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas >>>>> shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church shooter was >>>>> transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would >>>> actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear what >>> gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is believed to >>> be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the church >>> with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-wors
hippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-
opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
Trans people *are* people with psychological illness, dipshit.
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
A person who believes they are the opposite gender clearly has
a psychological illness and should be talking to psychiatrist, not
chopping off their tits and shooting up testosterone in an insane
attempt to magically become the opposite gender.
A person who has a surgically constructed penis and believes they
were born with it is psychologically ill. Others maybe not so much.
You're just talking degrees of insanity, they're both still crazy.
FPP
Ed StasiakNot what the AMA says. Not what the American Psychiatric Association says.
You're just talking degrees of insanity, they're both still crazy.
Indeed. After decades of study that showed gays had a mental illness,
the medical community suddenly said they didn't and it was totally normal.
https://i.postimg.cc/RCGGJbY3/temp-Image-Dc7-QW5.avif
FPP
Ed Stasiak
You're just talking degrees of insanity, they're both still crazy.
Not what the AMA says. Not what the American Psychiatric Association says.
Indeed. After decades of study that showed gays had a mental illness,
the medical community suddenly said they didn't and it was totally normal.
https://i.postimg.cc/RCGGJbY3/temp-Image-Dc7-QW5.avif
Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
FPP
Ed Stasiak
You're just talking degrees of insanity, they're both still crazy.
Not what the AMA says. Not what the American Psychiatric Association says.
Indeed. After decades of study that showed gays had a mental illness,
the medical community suddenly said they didn't and it was totally normal.
Decades of study? Study? Are you high? It was just listed as abnormal in
the huge book of abnormal behavior. Then they delisted it. There was no "study" in either instance.
You know these are the people who used to run high electrical current
through people's brains and perform frontal lobotomies as treatment,
right? I'm sure I've seen it in both Boris Karloff and Vincent Price
movies.
https://i.postimg.cc/RCGGJbY3/temp-Image-Dc7-QW5.avif
You know these are the people who used to run high electrical current
through people's brains and perform frontal lobotomies as treatment,
right? I'm sure I've seen it in both Boris Karloff and Vincent Price
movies.
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress.
perspective sometimes referred to as Transmedicalism.There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some people go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is intrinsic to being transgender, a
negative feelings deriving from the body in which they live. Further, not everybody needs to take any steps to medically transition in order to express their gender identity and live as themselves.Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience dysphoria. Not every trans man, trans woman, or non-binary person experiences emotional pain, discomfort, or other
Duuuuhhhhh...
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress.
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week)
isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some people >>> go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is
intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does not >>> match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience dysphoria.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a >>> condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week)
isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>>>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some
people go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is >>>>> intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>>>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does >>>>> not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience
dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out
to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a
condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week)
isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>>>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some people >>>>> go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is
intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>>>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does not >>>>> match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out
to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
On 2/15/24 12:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uql8hs$3bjqm$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. >>>>>>>>>> Kerman
wrote:
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory aboutIn today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel >>>>>>>>>>> Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers >>>>>>>>>>> working security shot and killed the mother of the year. Another >>>>>>>>>>> man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewo >>>>>>>>>>> od-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
Texas
shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church
shooter was
transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would >>>>> actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear
what
gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is
believed to
be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the
church
with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-wors
hippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-
opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
Trans people *are* people with psychological illness, dipshit.
Cite, uber dipshit. Interestingly, you have the same element of being fucked in the head as Trump: "If I say it it's credible" which is
complete and utter bullshit of course. Hope this helps.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people >>>>>> suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>>>
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a >>>>> condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week) >>>>> isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>>>>>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some >>>>>>> people go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is >>>>>>> intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>>>>>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does >>>>>>> not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience >>>>>>> dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living. >>>> You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out
to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and >>> sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and >>> sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and >>>>> sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and
sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and
sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial
procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA >>> is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing
hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line >>>>>>> and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial
procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA >>> is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line >>>>>>>>> and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>>>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial
procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA >>>>> is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing
hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and >>> have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's >>>> even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as
if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong
gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing >>> hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and >>> have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's >>>> even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as
if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and
would appreciate a clear example.
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Men can have babies and can menstruate.The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned? >>>>>>>>>
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing >>>>> hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and >>>>> have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having >>>>> kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's >>>>>> even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural >>>> born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because >>> they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as
if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and
treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong
gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to
include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite >>> of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and
would appreciate a clear example.
If ER docs aren't medically treating dudes in dresses as women, and the
AMA is on board with it, that means they're tacitly admitting that all
their bloviating about troons being "real women" is just woke nonsense because they're not treating them as women when it really counts. They
know science doesn't give a shit about political correctness.
On 2/17/24 3:15 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 04:43:12 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
Absolutely - that said it doesn't make me wrong nor especially out of
synch with the vast majority of society at large. Special interest
groups tend to get the idea that "their" issues are of interest only
to them and not the rest of society - which is as misguided of a view
of things as it's impossible to ignore.
What's misguided is the notion that how you feel affects how things are.
The Earth will never be flat no matter how badly some people want it
to be.
. . .
And a dude will never be a woman no matter how many dresses and makeup
he puts on. How he feels has no effect on how things are.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people >>>>>> suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>>>
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a >>>>> condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week) >>>>> isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>>>>>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some >>>>>>> people go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is >>>>>>> intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>>>>>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does >>>>>>> not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience >>>>>>> dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living. >>>> You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out
to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and >>> sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a
condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week)
isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the transgender >>>>> community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some people >>>>> go further and promote the false belief that gender dysphoria is
intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred to as >>>>> 'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does not >>>>> match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and
sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023 >>>>>>> that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial
procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA >>> is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing
hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
On 2/17/24 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP
<fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap
hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized >>>>>>>>>> in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what
the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing >>>> hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate
and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics
it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because
they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as
if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and
treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong
gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to
include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Geneticists have discovered that all human embryos start life as
females, as do all embryos of mammals. About the 2nd month the fetal
tests elaborate enough androgens to offset the maternal estrogens and maleness develops.
Dumbshit will never understand science.
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>
*** RANT WARNING *** HIT NEXT IF YOU OFFEND EASILY ***
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people >>>>>>> suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological
distress.
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in >>>>>> March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day -
about a
condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week) >>>>>> isn't well.
There is an erroneous assumption often made outside of the
transgender
community that all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Some >>>>>>>> people go further and promote the false belief that gender
dysphoria is
intrinsic to being transgender, a perspective sometimes referred >>>>>>>> to as
'Transmedicalism'.
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity >>>>>>>> does
not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience >>>>>>>> dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a
living.
You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out >>>> to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line
and
sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
On 2/16/2024 4:49 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 2/15/24 12:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uql8hs$3bjqm$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. >>>>>>>>>>> Kerman
wrote:
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about >>>>>>> TexasMore likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel >>>>>>>>>>>> Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers >>>>>>>>>>>> working security shot and killed the mother of the year. >>>>>>>>>>>> Another
man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewo
od-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans. >>>>>>>>>>
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church
shooter was
transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations,
would
actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder... >>>>>
what
gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is
believed to
be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the
church
with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-wors
hippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-
opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
Trans people *are* people with psychological illness, dipshit.
Cite, uber dipshit. Interestingly, you have the same element of being
fucked in the head as Trump: "If I say it it's credible" which is
complete and utter bullshit of course. Hope this helps.
As if "psychologically ill" can't include all -- or none -- of humanity.
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, >>>>>>>> line and
sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in >>>>>>>> 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability?
(1) That's not what they're talking about.
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial
procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the
AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing
hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history. I'd be surprised if any non-looney actually says that, or even approximates it.
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP
<fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap
hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized >>>>>>>>>> in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned?
Men can have babies and can menstruate.
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus?
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what
the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing >>>> hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate
and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having
kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics
it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you.
So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural
born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because
they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as
if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and
treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong
gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to
include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and
would appreciate a clear example.
On 2/17/24 1:30 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 2/16/2024 4:49 AM, trotsky wrote:
On 2/15/24 12:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uql8hs$3bjqm$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 14, 2024 at 8:30:03 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<294bb163-f0f1-468d-b829-fd6e450f1636n@googlegroups.com>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
In article <fbe6c5f2-61c3-4ad1...@googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 6:49:02?PM UTC-5, Adam H. >>>>>>>>>>>> Kerman
wrote:
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it'sYou'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, >>>>>>> would"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about >>>>>>>> TexasYou got it right in one.More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.In today's mass shooting, a woman with a rifle shot up Joel >>>>>>>>>>>>> Osteen's megachurch.
She brought her child, 4 or 5, to the shooting. The child was >>>>>>>>>>>>> critically hurt, I assume when two off-duty police officers >>>>>>>>>>>>> working security shot and killed the mother of the year. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Another
man was wounded.
I didn't know what Osteen's church looked like. Oversized car >>>>>>>>>>>>> dealership?
https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-texas-joel-osteen-lakewo
od-3415e1bac4582fb4e4d4ff5ea1c216bc
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans. >>>>>>>>>>>
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church. >>>>>>>>>
She was indeed another troon.
shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church
shooter was
transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you? >>>>>>>
actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder... >>>>>>
unclear what
gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is
believed to
be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into
the church
with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-wors
hippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-
opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses >>>>> have, not trans people.
Trans people *are* people with psychological illness, dipshit.
Cite, uber dipshit. Interestingly, you have the same element of
being fucked in the head as Trump: "If I say it it's credible" which
is complete and utter bullshit of course. Hope this helps.
As if "psychologically ill" can't include all -- or none -- of humanity.
Are you a science denier too? There are psychologists and psychiatrists that have consensuses on these things just like other scientists have consensuses on climate change.
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural >>>>> born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
Men can have babies and can menstruate.The American Medical Association and the American Psychological >>>>>>>>>>>>> Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned? >>>>>>>>>>
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus? >>>>>>>>
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing >>>>>> hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having >>>>>> kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you. >>>>>
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because >>>> they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as >>>> if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and
treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong >>>> gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to >>>> include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite >>>> of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and
would appreciate a clear example.
If ER docs aren't medically treating dudes in dresses as women, and the
AMA is on board with it, that means they're tacitly admitting that all
their bloviating about troons being "real women" is just woke nonsense
because they're not treating them as women when it really counts. They
know science doesn't give a shit about political correctness.
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender
and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
On 2/18/2024 6:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its
established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender
and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs?
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) their own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
"Government intrusion into medical decisions" is pretty much a
non-starter for me ...not for you? The doctor-patient relationship,
until you strip either of them of his respective "license", is
off-limits to congresspersons and other political grandstanders.
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <roaAN.71726$IfLe.52479@fx36.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 4:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <Sm9AN.231909$vFZa.108385@fx13.iad>,So, your quarrel is with doctors who say that a trans man is a natural >>>>>> born man, with not only a man's DNA but also one's life history.
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <rR7AN.339030$Wp_8.319841@fx17.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:(1) That's not what they're talking about.
In article <jE7AN.85068$U1cc.33066@fx04.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 2:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqpv3h$bk5h$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
Men can have babies and can menstruate.The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line
and sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so >>>>>>>>>>>>> ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
What basic mammalian biological fact has the AMA overturned? >>>>>>>>>>>
And that's just for starters.
Can't a man now have a zygote implanted and brought to viability? >>>>>>>>>
(2) What are you implanting it in if he doesn't have a uterus? >>>>>>>>>
(3) Even if it somehow works without a uterus, that's an artificial >>>>>>>>> procedure. It's not a result of natural processes, which is what the AMA
is asserting. That a man can naturally have a child.
(And you didn't even address the menstruation.)
Then what *are* they talking about?
They're talking about a woman who says she became a man just by wishing
hard enough and that woman, who still has her uterus, can menstruate and
have children, which now, according to the AMA, becomes a man having >>>>>>> kids.
Got a link? E.g., I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's
even more easily simulated.
Key word: simulated. Not actually the real thing.
I can dress up as Darth Vader. Doesn't mean I can Force-choke you. >>>>>>
My quarrel is with doctors who say women are *actually* men just because
they're pretending they are and that everyone else should treat them as >>>>> if they are. Especially in a medical setting where certain drugs and >>>>> treatments can be harmful or even fatal if they're given to the wrong >>>>> gender.
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a >>>>> dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to >>>>> include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and >>>> would appreciate a clear example.
If ER docs aren't medically treating dudes in dresses as women, and the >>> AMA is on board with it, that means they're tacitly admitting that all >>> their bloviating about troons being "real women" is just woke nonsense >>> because they're not treating them as women when it really counts. They >>> know science doesn't give a shit about political correctness.
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its
established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender
and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs?
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) their
own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2024 6:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its
established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender
and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from
getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent >> > decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids
deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs?
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) >> > their own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
"Government intrusion into medical decisions" is pretty much a
non-starter for me ...not for you? The doctor-patient relationship,
until you strip either of them of his respective "license", is
off-limits to congresspersons and other political grandstanders.
The government intrudes on medical decisions all the time.
Go try and sell a kidney and see how far that gets you.
Go to a plastic surgeon as a 14-year-old and ask for a nose job and see
what happens.
Refuse to let your kid get treated for cancer because you believe god
will provide and see what happens.
Ask your doc for heroin to treat your chronic pain and see what the
answer is.
The law and medicine are intertwined in our society in thousands of
different ways. It's ridiculous to say that in this one instance, where >minors are making rash decisions and/or being induced by woke adults to
do irreparable damage to themselves-- here and only here the government
has no business interfering and should butt out.
In article <cPzAN.235736$yEgf.51968@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2024 6:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its
established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender
and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from
getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent >>> decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids
deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs?
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) >>> their own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
"Government intrusion into medical decisions" is pretty much a
non-starter for me ...not for you? The doctor-patient relationship,
until you strip either of them of his respective "license", is
off-limits to congresspersons and other political grandstanders.
The government intrudes on medical decisions all the time.
Go try and sell a kidney and see how far that gets you.
Go to a plastic surgeon as a 14-year-old and ask for a nose job and see
what happens.
Refuse to let your kid get treated for cancer because you believe god
will provide and see what happens.
Ask your doc for heroin to treat your chronic pain and see what the
answer is.
The law and medicine are intertwined in our society in thousands of
different ways. It's ridiculous to say that in this one instance, where minors are making rash decisions and/or being induced by woke adults to
do irreparable damage to themselves-- here and only here the government
has no business interfering and should butt out.
On 2/18/2024 11:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <cPzAN.235736$yEgf.51968@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2024 6:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its >>>> established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender >>>> and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from
getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent
decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids >>> deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs?
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) >>> their own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
"Government intrusion into medical decisions" is pretty much a
non-starter for me ...not for you? The doctor-patient relationship,
until you strip either of them of his respective "license", is
off-limits to congresspersons and other political grandstanders.
The government intrudes on medical decisions all the time.
Go try and sell a kidney and see how far that gets you.
Go to a plastic surgeon as a 14-year-old and ask for a nose job and see what happens.
Refuse to let your kid get treated for cancer because you believe god
will provide and see what happens.
Ask your doc for heroin to treat your chronic pain and see what the
answer is.
The law and medicine are intertwined in our society in thousands of different ways. It's ridiculous to say that in this one instance, where minors are making rash decisions and/or being induced by woke adults to
do irreparable damage to themselves-- here and only here the government
has no business interfering and should butt out.
E.g., *some* 14-year-olds may require a "nose job" for simple quality of
life on a number of fronts.
This is not the business of a legislature.
A practitioner who abuses his license should be judged and sentenced by knowledgeable peers, not by demagogues.
In article <dvLAN.296785$Ama9.49700@fx12.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2024 11:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <cPzAN.235736$yEgf.51968@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/18/2024 6:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 17, 2024 at 8:13:28 PM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 2/17/2024 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <SQbAN.312986$q3F7.54917@fx45.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
So, Google tells me that, in June 2024:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) today strengthened its >>>>>> established position opposing the governmental intrusion into the
practice of medicine that is detrimental to the health of transgender >>>>>> and gender-diverse children and adults."
...which seems rather sensible.
It seems sensible that the government prohibits minors under 18 from >>>>> getting tattoos because they're not mature enough to make such a permanent
decision, but the government should just butt out when it comes to kids >>>>> deciding to cut their breasts off or sterilize themselves with drugs? >>>>>
That's your idea of sensibility?
Meanwhile, these gender equality nutters don't even live by (or believe) >>>>> their own propaganda:
https://ibb.co/h2j4Jcz
"Government intrusion into medical decisions" is pretty much a
non-starter for me ...not for you? The doctor-patient relationship,
until you strip either of them of his respective "license", is
off-limits to congresspersons and other political grandstanders.
The government intrudes on medical decisions all the time.
Go try and sell a kidney and see how far that gets you.
Go to a plastic surgeon as a 14-year-old and ask for a nose job and see
what happens.
Refuse to let your kid get treated for cancer because you believe god
will provide and see what happens.
Ask your doc for heroin to treat your chronic pain and see what the
answer is.
The law and medicine are intertwined in our society in thousands of
different ways. It's ridiculous to say that in this one instance, where
minors are making rash decisions and/or being induced by woke adults to
do irreparable damage to themselves-- here and only here the government
has no business interfering and should butt out.
E.g., *some* 14-year-olds may require a "nose job" for simple quality of
life on a number of fronts.
But she can't get one unless her parents consent. Why? Because the
government intruded on that 14-year-old's medical decision.
This is not the business of a legislature.
Sure it is. Requiring parental consent for medical procedures on minors
has always been the business of the legislature. Only when this troon
crap became the issue du jour did the medical bureaucracy suddenly start saying "We should be allowed to cut a kid's dick off and turn it into
some half-assed facsimile of a vagina without even notifying the
parents, let alone obtaining consent. Oh, and by the way, if you're the parent and you know about our scheme and don't consent, we should be
able to remove the minor from your custody."
A practitioner who abuses his license should be judged and sentenced by
knowledgeable peers, not by demagogues.
More like 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
On 2/15/24 1:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/14/24 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
"moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
On 2/14/2024 5:47 AM, FPP wrote:
On 2/13/24 2:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's newest sockpuppet wrote:
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
I shall assume she was at least a Leftist or LBG or trans.
More likely she was somebody Just. Like. You.
If she were like me, she wouldn't have shot up that church.
You got it right in one.
She was indeed another troon.
"Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas >>>>>> shooter.
"Fox News and GOP politicians falsely claim Lakewood Church shooter was >>>>>> transgender."
Well done, counselor! I don't know why people don't believe you?
You'd think that trans people, with their bodily preoccupations, would >>>>> actually be among the *least* likely to be taking up mass murder...
"Moreno used several identities under both genders and it's unclear what >>>> gender she identified as. However, police said on Monday she is believed to
be the biological mother of the seven-year-old she brought into the church >>>> with her."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13074137/Harrowing-video-shows-worshippers-fleeing-Joel-Osteens-small-kids-two-duty-cops-battle-female-shooter-opened-fire-congregation.html
Seems pretty troonish to me. At best she's troon-adjacent.
Now you don't even understand what trans means. Having several
identities is what criminals and people with psychological illnesses
have, not trans people.
Trans people *are* people with psychological illness, dipshit.
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress.
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress.
So what? I suffer from extreme grief (over the death of my wife in
March 2022). I suffer some form of distress nearly every day - about a
condition I'm not in a position to change much as I wish I could.
I deal with it as best I can which some days (at least 2 or 3 a week)
isn't well.
There's also an erroneous assumption in the trans community that the
majority of people are fine with them using terms like "cis", "trans"
(which I knew well in my university days from organic chemistry and
know exactly what they mean) and "assigned" and are not at all grossly
offended (which most of us are) when we hear those terms.
I was present at the birth of 2 of my 3 children (missed the third by
10 minutes due to a SNAFU'd parking setup at the hospital) and knew
exactly what I had without relying on the doctor "assigning" them
anything (though in each case he said 'congratulations it's a ____" as
he passed each child to me which I then walked to the head of the bed
and gave our newborn tyke to my wife)
(I am mostly grateful my kids were born in the late 80s since I once
got punched by my wife for saying "Ha ha ha - I got an A+ on my blood
test and you got a Zero minus on yours!" knowing that in my parents'
generation we could only have had one due to the horrendous risk of Rh
disease - I do know of course it's the letter O and not a Zero)
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does
not match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience
dysphoria. Not every trans man, trans woman, or non-binary person
experience
Duuuuhhhhh...
Duh! is right - that said my rule of thumb is that I >will< call them
what they want to be called unless it's a made up word in which case
I'll call them by their given name (and I don't make too many
inquiries). That said, I >won't< put up with any silliness on pronouns
or any other demand they make. And I don't use plurals when it's
obviously singular. ("They" is a plural not a singular pronoun)
As for access to womens' private facillities (washrooms, change rooms
etc) if a cross-gender individual hasn't had the surgery they have no
business being there at all.
Fact is there ARE competing rights - and women DON'T have penises no
matter how many trans people want us to buy into that crap. If there's
a conflict between their desire to use womens' facilities and a
woman's right to be safe (and too many women have had bad experiences
with abusers for me to be sanguine on this) then I'll protect the
latter's interests over the former without hesitation each and every
time.
I may no longer have a wife but I do have two daughters and I'll be
damned if anybody's going to intimidate them in any way at any time in
any place no matter what "identity" their abuser has chosen to take
on.
*** END OF RANT ***
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
"trotsky" wrote:
On 2/17/24 1:16 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:58:53 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, dipshit, according to the Leftist AMA, **SOME** trans people
suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a form of psychological distress. >>>>
Many trans people know and understand that their gender identity does not >>>> match the sex assigned to them at birth yet do not experience dysphoria.
That's literally what dysphoria is-- feeling like they're a different
gender than the one between their legs.
They're experiencing dysphoria and then claiming it's not dysphoria
because they don't like the idea of being mentally ill.
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a living.
You get that, right?
How many of those folks who "study this stuff for a living" turned out
to be full of shit with all their Wuhan Flu proclamations?
The American Medical Association and the American Psychological
Association aren't right or left leaning.
Umm... yeah, they are. They're buying into this woke crap hook, line and >sinker because they have to or the donor money dries up.
The idea that the American Medical Association only realized in 2023
that basic mammalian biology has been wrong for millennia is so
ludicrous I can't believe we're even seriously talking about it.
Rant all you like, it won't change the science.
LOL! He said 'science'.
I didn't address the menstruation because afaics it's even more easily simulated.
On 2/17/2024 5:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
The idea that an emergency room doctor is supposed to pretend that a
dude in a dress is actually a real woman and treat him accordingly, to
include drugs prescribed and treatments performed, is the exact opposite
of science regardless of what either Effa or the AMA say.
Yes, I find that sort of Emergency Room incident hard to imagine, and
would appreciate a clear example.
On 2/18/24 12:07 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uqs1gj$ss0v$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/17/24 3:15 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 04:43:12 -0500, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
You're ranting at two organizations that study this stuff for a
living.
You get that, right?
Absolutely - that said it doesn't make me wrong nor especially out of
synch with the vast majority of society at large. Special interest
groups tend to get the idea that "their" issues are of interest only
to them and not the rest of society - which is as misguided of a view
of things as it's impossible to ignore.
What's misguided is the notion that how you feel affects how things are. >>> The Earth will never be flat no matter how badly some people want it
to be.
And a dude will never be a woman no matter how many dresses and makeup
he puts on. How he feels has no effect on how things are.
Until he is.
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