On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 19:26:34 -0000 (UTC)
"Adam H. Kerman" <
ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:35:34 -0800 BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Rich <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
In Canada, anyway.
"What? You mean the facts undermine our everything-is-racism
agenda? Well, we can't have that! Stop finding out the truth!"
Statistics Canada is world-recognized for keeping social stats on
just about every aspect of life in Canada. But how do you keep
stats on BLACK CRIME, if you can't keep stats legally, on black
crime?
Can a private organization keep such stats or has Justin Castro
decreed them to be mala prohibita for everyone?
Statistics Canada - or as most of us call it, StatsCan - is not a
private organization, it's part of the government. Or are you
suggesting that a private organization be set up to collate crime >statistics?
That might actually be brilliant as a way to expose the truth to
people without the government filter. But it would have a major
challenge in that no one would be required by law to give it any >statistics. Without that, I'm not sure what it could hope to do.
Doesn't Canada have government in the sunshine laws?
I don't know what you mean. What would such a law look like?
Government can
play games with these laws by forcing those using reports to build
their own databases by not providing already compiled information,
but with enough time and resources, valid reports could be created.
The United States has no mandatory reporting of crime statistics due
to the lack of domestic funding for police in the federal budget.
Federal funds come with federal reporting obligations. States could
impose reporting mandates to the state criminal justice bureau and
these could be done in such a way that it's convenient for the FBI to consolidate statistics nationally. But we know that there are myriad
gaps in reporting by police agencies to state government.
Canada has a national police force, the RCMP, that is presumably
funded by the feds. However, the mounties have only a minimal existence
in Ontario and Quebec which have their own provincial police forces.
(This might also be true in Newfoundland with its Royal Newfoundland Constabulary but I'm not really sure if it does the whole job of
policing there or shares it with the mounties.)
I have no idea if the mounties would have stats for the places where
their presence is minimal. They might only know about crimes that they
get called on. (I remember once encountered two officers in unfamiliar
uniforms at the passport office; after a moment, I recognized them as
mounties and realized they must be "guarding" the passport office,
which is run by the feds, even though they were in Ontario.) I believe
the mounties also have a role in protecting diplomats and Parliament.
The solve rate statistics deliberately ignore the problem of the
underlying crime occured in one reporting period but the case was
closed in another reporting period, or that there are related crimes
over several reporting periods due to ongoing investigations. So you
end up with statistic reporting a solve rate of numerator cases
solved during the reporting period denominator crimes committed
during the reporting period. It's two different sets of crimes.
Yes, that's nonsense. They should be keeping track of individual crimes
of the same type and calculating average solve times so that we can see
how quickly the average murder or burglary or whatever is solved.
As you surmise, if any government organization at any level were to
be embarrassed by this organization's findings, I expect they'd soon
be shut out of getting data.
Well, if the municipal government turns over, I'll bet that lots of statistics come out about crimes during the previous government. Out
of power makes them convenient whipping boys.
I can't recall many instances where crime stats were a factor in
municipal elections. They tend to be viewed as the fault of the laws
and the courts which are viewed as the responsibility of the province
or the feds. Mayors tend NOT to be vilified for an increase in this
crime or that crime during their term.
Certainly, crime is notably on the increase in Canada, especially
during Trudeau's time as PM. This exchange in Parliament is both
educational and entertaining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiZT-0Efag [4 minutes]
Mayors and police chiefs are NOT getting the blame and rightly so in
most cases given that they don't make the laws or hire the judges or prosecutors. (The only exception that comes to mind was when the
Toronto Police Chief was explicitly criticized for the way he was
handling the pro-Palestinian demonstrations there.)
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Rhino
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