Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the country
one of the safest in Latin America after having long been one of the
most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who knew?

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or if
it is only a temporary respite....
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Rhino

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On 2/5/2024 4:54 PM, Rhino wrote:

Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the country
one of the safest in Latin America after having long been one of the
most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who knew?

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or if
it is only a temporary respite....

I wonder how temporary "skirting a lot of rules" is.

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the country
one of the safest in Latin America after having long been one of the
most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who knew?

They aren't. There have been massive numbers of arrests, but the police
aren't being told to limit arrests to known gangbangers. News reports
from foreign journalists have talked about widespread arrests of
teenagers but many of those arrested weren't gang members. They aren't preparing criminal cases, just holding them. His campaign rhetoric was literally stating that there was a choice between crime and liberty. To
the extent that people thought that the mass arrests have been an
effective anticrime measure, they are willfully blind to the complete
lack of liberty and huge numbers of arbitrary arrests and detention.
Police officers have arrest quotas to meet.

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or if
it is only a temporary respite....

Last I looked, an arrest of someone of whom the police have actual
knowledge that the person did not commit a crime is a crime in and
of itself.

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 23:12:07 -0000 (UTC)
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the
country one of the safest in Latin America after having long been
one of the most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who
knew?

They aren't. There have been massive numbers of arrests, but the
police aren't being told to limit arrests to known gangbangers. News
reports from foreign journalists have talked about widespread arrests
of teenagers but many of those arrested weren't gang members. They
aren't preparing criminal cases, just holding them. His campaign
rhetoric was literally stating that there was a choice between crime
and liberty. To the extent that people thought that the mass arrests
have been an effective anticrime measure, they are willfully blind to
the complete lack of liberty and huge numbers of arbitrary arrests
and detention. Police officers have arrest quotas to meet.

You're right: I was being unduly glib. He does appear to have bypassed
due process to an unprecedented degree to achieve this success. He has
also described himself as a dictator, although in a tongue-in-cheek way
that makes it unclear what his real values are.

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or
if it is only a temporary respite....

Last I looked, an arrest of someone of whom the police have actual
knowledge that the person did not commit a crime is a crime in and
of itself.

Agreed. Due process is critical for any semblance of justice to exist
and he needs to move back to that now that he has things calmed down.
All the people in detention need to be properly investigated and
released if they are innocent and sent to trial if there is significant evidence of wrong-doing.


--
Rhino

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On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 13:54:38 -0800, Rhino wrote:

Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the country
one of the safest in Latin America after having long been one of the
most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who knew?

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or if
it is only a temporary respite....

The President of El Salvador is Jewish. His wife is Jewish.
In politics, you are who you marry.

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 17:17:10 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

On 2/5/2024 4:54 PM, Rhino wrote:

Yeah, you read that correctly. The president of El Salvador, who just
won re-election in a landslide, is a Palestinian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/nayib-bukele-re-elected-as-el-salvador-president-in-landslide-win

Maybe El Salvador is where Palestine needs to be? By all accounts, he
has done an incredible job of arresting gang members to make the country
one of the safest in Latin America after having long been one of the
most dangerous.

Apparently, arresting and imprisoning criminals reduces crime. Who knew?

Of course he skirted a lot of rules to achieve this success so it
remains to be seen if crime is dramatically down in the long term or if
it is only a temporary respite....

I wonder how temporary "skirting a lot of rules" is.

Realistically, if the Mexican drug cartels want to play rough they're
large enough and El Salvador is small enough to make things quite one
sided.

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