My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18
feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers
office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office
again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet
above sea level.
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18It must be making him wonder why he voted for all those "progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who promised to stop
feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers
office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office
again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet
above sea level.
the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really believed
in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's Vineyard and
Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and was horrified
to find that because of drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office
at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and
was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising
sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth Rock) rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it? When I
was working in the Boston area on a project in 1992, I found a bit of
time to drive around parts of Massachusetts and actually drove by
Plymouth Rock. (At least that's what the roadside sign said.) The rock
I saw was about that size - I'd expected it to be much bigger - but it
wasn't in a cage: it was just lying there at the edge of the ocean,
right beside the road.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18
feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers
office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office
again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet
above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
  "... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
  nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
  last 20 years."
  "Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
   risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >>>> above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office >>>> at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >>>> was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >>>> sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure
seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth Rock) >rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own >self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it? When I
was working in the Boston area on a project in 1992, I found a bit of
time to drive around parts of Massachusetts and actually drove by
Plymouth Rock. (At least that's what the roadside sign said.) The rock
I saw was about that size - I'd expected it to be much bigger - but it
wasn't in a cage: it was just lying there at the edge of the ocean,
right beside the road.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
On 2/1/24 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office at
the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and was
horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising sea
levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
This is another of those "global warming isn't real because it was cold >yesterday" arguments.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth
Rock) rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his
own self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
When I was working in the Boston area on a project in 1992, I found
a bit of time to drive around parts of Massachusetts and actually
drove by Plymouth Rock. (At least that's what the roadside sign
said.) The rock I saw was about that size - I'd expected it to be
much bigger - but it wasn't in a cage: it was just lying there at
the edge of the ocean, right beside the road.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter
people from stealing it with that cage?
The cage is just part of a gigantic monument around it. I assume it’s
so the tide.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/eCgHDJxPd9mkQ-5_ZrrWp7WxSHY=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/historic-plymouth-rock-522046774-581a190c5f9b581c0b945b7a.jpg
The entire structure and the cage could be seen at the center of this photograph at the very bottom of Ian’s Wikipedia article. Apparently
it’s been in this place since 1920 but they keep moving it for one
reason or another and big they do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Rock?wprov=sfti1#State_park_attraction
Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
On 2/1/24 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >> above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office at >> the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and was >> horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising sea
levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
This is another of those "global warming isn't real because it was cold >yesterday" arguments.
Projection noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >> above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office
at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and
was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising
sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
On 2024-02-02 04:20:14 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office >>>> at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >>>> was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >>>> sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Quite a bit of the Arctic and Antarctic ice
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth Rock) rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
In article <20240201164337.00003ad8@example.com>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth Rock)
rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own
self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
Probably when Boston became culturally enriched enough to require it for
its continued safety.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
Not bad at all. This is good. This is the goal.
Just like Britain had to put Stonehenge behind barriers and guard it
24/7 when they became culturally enriched.
When I was a kid, we visited Stonehenge and could walk in and among the megaliths and pose for pictures next to them. Now that Britain has experienced the joys of diversity, visitors can only view the site from
a hundred yards away from behind barriers.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-02 04:20:14 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >>>>>>above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office >>>>>>at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >>>>>>was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >>>>>>sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some >>>>places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some >>>>places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea >>>>level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure >>>seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Quite a bit of the Arctic and Antarctic ice
Arctic ice has no effect on sea level because it's all floating on the
water. All of it, 100%, could melt and the sea wouldn't rise even one >millimeter.
When you have a glass of ice water and the ice cubes melt, does the
water in the glass rise and slop over the rim? No. Ice floating in water >doesn't raise the level of the water when it melts.
On 2/2/2024 2:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <20240201164337.00003ad8@example.com>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
It must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth Rock) >>> rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own
self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
Probably when Boston became culturally enriched enough to require it for
its continued safety.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
Not bad at all. This is good. This is the goal.
Just like Britain had to put Stonehenge behind barriers and guard it
24/7 when they became culturally enriched.
When I was a kid, we visited Stonehenge and could walk in and among the
megaliths and pose for pictures next to them. Now that Britain has
experienced the joys of diversity, visitors can only view the site from
a hundred yards away from behind barriers.
Most famously, Michelangelo's David was vandalized over 30 years ago by
a deranged artist wielding a hammer. Nothing to do with "diversity".
In article <uphe1g$29s9o$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >> >> above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office
at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >> >> was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >> >> sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
Yeah, I notice that all the time in my swimming pool. The water level at
one end of the pool is frequently higher than the other end.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
In article <uphe1g$29s9o$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18
feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers
office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office
again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change >> >> and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea
level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
Yeah, I notice that all the time in my swimming pool. The water level at >one end of the pool is frequently higher than the other end.
If you put an ice cube in, you'll flood your neighbor's property.
On 2024-02-02 20:38:02 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/2/2024 2:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <20240201164337.00003ad8@example.com>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly >>>>>>> 18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of >>>>>>> drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still >>>>>>> exactly 18 feet above sea level.
It must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth
Rock)
rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his own
self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
Probably when Boston became culturally enriched enough to require it for >>> its continued safety.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter people
from stealing it with that cage?
Not bad at all. This is good. This is the goal.
Just like Britain had to put Stonehenge behind barriers and guard it
24/7 when they became culturally enriched.
When I was a kid, we visited Stonehenge and could walk in and among the
megaliths and pose for pictures next to them. Now that Britain has
experienced the joys of diversity, visitors can only view the site from
a hundred yards away from behind barriers.
Most famously, Michelangelo's David was vandalized over 30 years ago
by a deranged artist wielding a hammer. Nothing to do with "diversity".
It's not only the loonies. Such places and things are kept at a distance
or limited access because they get damaged by the thousands of normal visitors too:
   Stonehenge was roped off in 1977 because tourists were
   damaging them by breaking off pieces of rock for
   souvenirs or touching the stones, which causes them to
   erode.
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-6, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <uphv05$2fsbs$1...@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:>> > On 2024-02-02 04:20:14
+0000, moviePig said:> >> > > On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:> >
PM, BTR1701 wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>> My neighbor bought his house on theOn 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:> > >>> On 2/1/2024 3:04
beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet> > >>>> above sea level. He knows
because he went to the city engineers office> > >>>> at the time. He
just got back from the city engineer's office again and> > >>>> was
horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising> >
really done...> > >>> > >>> > >> "... the sea level has risen by 6.5sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.> >
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't
inches since 1950,> > >> nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred
in just the> > >> last 20 years."> > >>> > >> "Scientists have
found that global mean sea level has> > >> risen 10.1 centimeters
(3.98 inches) since 1992."> > >>> > >> Those are of course *averages*.
Due to variations in geography, some> > >> places will have higher
increases, others lower increases, and some> > >> places no noticable
change, some places may even have had drops in sea> > >> level.> > >> >
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surfacesure> > > seems like something humongous melted somewhere...> >> >
Quite a bit of the Arctic and Antarctic ice
Arctic ice has no effect on sea level because it's all floating on the
water. All of it, 100%, could melt and the sea wouldn't rise even one millimeter. When you have a glass of ice water and the ice cubes melt,
does the water in the glass rise and slop over the rim? No. Ice
floating in water doesn't raise the level of the water when it melts.
On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 23:20:21 UTC-5, moviePig wrote:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 >>>>> feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers >>>>> office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office >>>>> again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet
above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>>
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure
seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Well, according to some nervous nellies, Greenland melting would raise
seas 30 meters. 4 inches sound like not a whole lot.
Put it another way; you don't stop the world turning for the sake of
a few God-forsaken atolls.
On 2024-02-03 00:58:08 +0000, Rich said:
On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 23:20:21 UTC-5, moviePig wrote:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 >>>>> feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers >>>>> office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office >>>>> again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet
above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>>
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea >>> level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure
seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Well, according to some nervous nellies, Greenland melting would raise
seas 30 meters. 4 inches sound like not a whole lot.
Roughly ...
"A 1-foot rise in sea level swallows up more coastline
than you think. For every 1 foot of vertical rise in
sea level, 100 feet of shoreline is swallowed up if
the slope is just 1% or more. That's a typical slope
for most coastlines."
So a 4in rise in sea level means 33in (2.8ft) of shoreline gone, on
average - some places will be more, others will be less.
But it's not just the missing shoreline land that is the problem.
There's also the increased erosion on sea cliff faces, the more
flooding during storms, etc.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 20:01:22 -0700
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:03:42 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2024 at 12:43:28 PM PST, "Rhino"
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:04:19 +0000
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactlyIt must be making him wonder why he voted for all those
18 feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city
engineers office at the time. He just got back from the city
engineer's office again and was horrified to find that because of
drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his house is still
exactly 18 feet above sea level.
"progressive" politicians over the past 40 years, the ones who
promised to stop the rise of the seas and similar baloney....
Has anyone actually asked Obama to his face why, if he really
believed in global warming, he bought expensive homes in Martha's
Vineyard and Hawaii? I'd love to hear THAT answer.
https://ibb.co/T2bG82R
Looks like he believed his own lying eyes (in the form of Plymouth
Rock) rather than the words of the top experts when it was in his
own self-interest.
Aside: When did Plymouth Rock first acquire that cage around it?
When I was working in the Boston area on a project in 1992, I found
a bit of time to drive around parts of Massachusetts and actually
drove by Plymouth Rock. (At least that's what the roadside sign
said.) The rock I saw was about that size - I'd expected it to be
much bigger - but it wasn't in a cage: it was just lying there at
the edge of the ocean, right beside the road.
Have things really gotten so bad that it is necessary to deter
people from stealing it with that cage?
The cage is just part of a gigantic monument around it. I assume it’s
so the tide.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/eCgHDJxPd9mkQ-5_ZrrWp7WxSHY=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/historic-plymouth-rock-522046774-581a190c5f9b581c0b945b7a.jpg
The entire structure and the cage could be seen at the center of this
photograph at the very bottom of Ian’s Wikipedia article. Apparently
it’s been in this place since 1920 but they keep moving it for one
reason or another and big they do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Rock?wprov=sfti1#State_park_attraction
I don't remember seeing ANY of the structures around the Rock. I must
have misread the roadside sign or looked at the wrong rock, mistaking
the structure for a more modern building unrelated to the Rock.
For what it's worth, I didn't actually stop the car, let alone get out.
I just saw the sign, looked to my right opposite the sign (which was on
the left), saw a nondescript rock and thought "That's it? It's a lot
smaller than I expected." and drove on. Clearly, I should have stopped
and had a bit of a look around!
In article <upkcch$300j5$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-03 00:58:08 +0000, Rich said:
On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 23:20:21 UTC-5, moviePig wrote:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 >>>>>>> feet above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers >>>>>>> office at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office >>>>>>> again and was horrified to find that because of drastic climate
change and rising sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet >>>>>>> above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>>>>
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some >>>>> places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea >>>>> level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure >>>> seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Well, according to some nervous nellies, Greenland melting would raise
seas 30 meters. 4 inches sound like not a whole lot.
Roughly ...
"A 1-foot rise in sea level swallows up more coastline
than you think. For every 1 foot of vertical rise in
sea level, 100 feet of shoreline is swallowed up if
the slope is just 1% or more. That's a typical slope
for most coastlines."
So a 4in rise in sea level means 33in (2.8ft) of shoreline gone, on
average - some places will be more, others will be less.
But it's not just the missing shoreline land that is the problem.
There's also the increased erosion on sea cliff faces, the more
flooding during storms, etc.
Yes, if we don't do something** Miami will be completely underwater by
1998!
(Actual prediction of climate lunatics in the early 90s.)
**"Something" always seems to coincidentally end up being some iteration
of the Leftist Agenda. Isn't it amazingly fortuitous that this
"existential crisis" has come along, the only solution to which is implementation of command and control global collectivism?
On 2/2/24 2:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
In article <upj5r3$2lv2b$5@dont-email.me>,
 Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
Someone's sockpuppet wrote:
On 2/1/24 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly
18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers
office at
the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again
and was
horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising
sea
levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
This is another of those "global warming isn't real because it was cold >>>> yesterday" arguments.
Projection noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
LOL!
"Sea level rise isn't measured at the actual level of the sea, stupid!
It's measured in computer models we've rigged so they give us the result
we want."
Sure. It's ALL rigged. And, stollen, too, I'll bet.
You've learned well from your Master.
On 2/1/24 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office
at the
time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and was
horrified
to find that because of drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his
house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
This is another of those "global warming isn't real because it was cold yesterday" arguments.
Sea level rise isn't measured by what happens at your neighbor's house, dimwit.
On 2/1/24 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office
at the
time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and was
horrified
to find that because of drastic climate change and rising sea levels, his
house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
Well then, that proves climate change is a hoax. You should contact Fox News... they'll put you on with Hannity.
In article <uphv05$2fsbs$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-02 04:20:14 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 7:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet
above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office >>>>>> at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >>>>>> was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >>>>>> sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done... >>>>
  "... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
  nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
  last 20 years."
  "Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
   risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea >>>> level.
An additional 4 inches over the entirety of Earth's water surface sure
seems like something humongous melted somewhere...
Quite a bit of the Arctic and Antarctic ice
Arctic ice has no effect on sea level because it's all floating on the
water. All of it, 100%, could melt and the sea wouldn't rise even one millimeter.
When you have a glass of ice water and the ice cubes melt, does the
water in the glass rise and slop over the rim? No. Ice floating in water doesn't raise the level of the water when it melts.
In article <uphe1g$29s9o$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-01 21:14:30 +0000, moviePig said:
On 2/1/2024 3:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
My neighbor bought his house on the beach in 1983. It was exactly 18 feet >>>> above sea level. He knows because he went to the city engineers office >>>> at the time. He just got back from the city engineer's office again and >>>> was horrified to find that because of drastic climate change and rising >>>> sea levels, his house is still exactly 18 feet above sea level.
*Exactly* the same? I'd guess the new measurement wasn't really done...
"... the sea level has risen by 6.5 inches since 1950,
nearly half of it (3 inches) has occurred in just the
last 20 years."
"Scientists have found that global mean sea level has
risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1992."
Those are of course *averages*. Due to variations in geography, some
places will have higher increases, others lower increases, and some
places no noticable change, some places may even have had drops in sea
level.
Yeah, I notice that all the time in my swimming pool. The water level at
one end of the pool is frequently higher than the other end.
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