• Re: Piano Performer in UK Confronted by CCP Members and Ordered to Stop

    From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 8 15:42:19 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:54:57 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/23/2024 2:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    This video is amazing. It's got it all-- CCP authoritarianism, woke cops, free
    speech, everything.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA

    Brendan Kavanaugh sets up to film himself performing at a public piano in the
    mall at St. Pancras train station in London. A group associated with China >> State Television, dressed in red and waving little CCP flags, happened to be >> in the background and eventually came up to him and demanded that he stop
    filming because they didn't want to be on the internet.

    Kavanaugh politely informs them that Britain is a free country (although as we
    see later, not actually so free at all) and if they didn't want to be on
    camera, they were free to go elsewhere. It gets rather heated with the ChiComs
    hurling charges of racism at the guy when he points out that "we're not in >> communist China and you don't get to call the shots here". (Since communism is
    a political and economic system, not a race, it beggars the imagination how >> calling someone a communist could be racist, by definition.)

    The cops finally arrive and mostly take Kavanaugh's side but the female cop >> pulled him aside and said there'd been an allegation of racism. So he tells >> her that all he did was point out they were waving Chinese communist flags and
    the cop reeled back, horrified, and told him, "You can't say that!"

    So much for Britain being a "free country".

    But Kavanaugh refused to back down and the cop eventually walked away and went
    back to the ChiComs and they all eventually dispersed, leaving Kavanaugh to >> continue his piano playing.

    What amazes me is the brazenness these people have to come into a country like
    Britain or the U.S and just start harassing random citizens, ordering them >> around, like they're in Tiananmen Square or something. It's clear that the >> male ChiCom, the one doing most of the talking, was not used to being told >> "no" and the moment he was, he went nearly hysterical. It's also interesting >> that they immediately started using the racism charge, even though there was >> nothing racial about the incident whatsoever. They've learned that all they >> have to do is say "racism" in a Western country and the police melt like
    hothouse flowers and everyone runs for cover.

    Watched half of it. Based on that and your description, I'd say that
    the Chinese guy was belligerently in error, while the Brit was indeed >quasi-racist in insisting that the error sprang from the nationality.

    Based on the same description I concluded that the "problem" was not
    the nationality of "the Chinese guy" but rather being from the PRC he
    was used to getting his own way without question. Thus the problem was
    more ideological than racial.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Mon Apr 8 17:12:21 2024
    In article <rjs81j97a0grq3o7l6iieal3cjo4m8me6n@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:54:57 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/23/2024 2:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    This video is amazing. It's got it all-- CCP authoritarianism, woke cops, >> free speech, everything.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA

    Brendan Kavanaugh sets up to film himself performing at a public piano in >> the mall at St. Pancras train station in London. A group associated with >> China State Television, dressed in red and waving little CCP flags,
    happened to be in the background and eventually came up to him and
    demanded that he stop filming because they didn't want to be on the
    internet.

    Kavanaugh politely informs them that Britain is a free country (although >> as we see later, not actually so free at all) and if they didn't want
    to be on camera, they were free to go elsewhere. It gets rather heated
    with the ChiComs hurling charges of racism at the guy when he points out >> that "we're not in communist China and you don't get to call the shots
    here". (Since communism is a political and economic system, not a race,
    it beggars the imagination how calling someone a communist could be
    racist, by definition.)

    The cops finally arrive and mostly take Kavanaugh's side but the female
    cop pulled him aside and said there'd been an allegation of racism. So he >> tells her that all he did was point out they were waving Chinese communist >> flags and the cop reeled back, horrified, and told him, "You can't say
    that!"

    So much for Britain being a "free country".

    But Kavanaugh refused to back down and the cop eventually walked away and >> went back to the ChiComs and they all eventually dispersed, leaving
    Kavanaugh to continue his piano playing.

    What amazes me is the brazenness these people have to come into a country >> like Britain or the U.S and just start harassing random citizens, ordering >> them around, like they're in Tiananmen Square or something. It's clear
    that the male ChiCom, the one doing most of the talking, was not used to >> being told "no" and the moment he was, he went nearly hysterical. It's
    also interesting that they immediately started using the racism charge,
    even though there was nothing racial about the incident whatsoever.
    They've learned that all they have to do is say "racism" in a Western
    country and the police melt like hothouse flowers and everyone runs for
    cover.

    Watched half of it. Based on that and your description, I'd say that
    the Chinese guy was belligerently in error, while the Brit was indeed >quasi-racist in insisting that the error sprang from the nationality.

    Based on the same description I concluded that the "problem" was not
    the nationality of "the Chinese guy" but rather being from the PRC he
    was used to getting his own way without question. Thus the problem was
    more ideological than racial.

    That and nationality is not race, so again, nothing racist about this
    incident at all, quasi or otherwise.

    And considering that racism is actually a crime in England, something
    does have to be *actually* racist concerning someone's race-- not this
    thing the Left does here where they call anything they don't like racism
    for effect-- for a charge to stand.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Tue Apr 9 10:19:52 2024
    On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 17:12:21 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <rjs81j97a0grq3o7l6iieal3cjo4m8me6n@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:54:57 -0500, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/23/2024 2:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    Watched half of it. Based on that and your description, I'd say that
    the Chinese guy was belligerently in error, while the Brit was indeed
    quasi-racist in insisting that the error sprang from the nationality.

    Based on the same description I concluded that the "problem" was not
    the nationality of "the Chinese guy" but rather being from the PRC he
    was used to getting his own way without question. Thus the problem was
    more ideological than racial.

    That and nationality is not race, so again, nothing racist about this >incident at all, quasi or otherwise.

    And considering that racism is actually a crime in England, something
    does have to be *actually* racist concerning someone's race-- not this
    thing the Left does here where they call anything they don't like racism
    for effect-- for a charge to stand.

    Good point on your first point.

    As for your second point, clearly for it to be a crime in the UK there
    would have to be a legal definition of racism (since without one no
    one could ever be convicted).

    For what it's worth the UK definition is rather different from what
    Americans might expect - the following is pasted from https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/9
    which is the 2010 British Equality Act

    <begin quote>
    (1)Race includes—
    (a)colour;
    (b)nationality;
    (c)ethnic or national origins.
    (2)In relation to the protected characteristic of race—
    (a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected
    characteristic is a reference to a person of a particular racial
    group;
    (b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a
    reference to persons of the same racial group.
    (3)A racial group is a group of persons defined by reference to race;
    and a reference to a person's racial group is a reference to a racial
    group into which the person falls.
    (4)The fact that a racial group comprises two or more distinct racial
    groups does not prevent it from constituting a particular racial
    group.
    <end quote>

    Thus at least theoretically since nationality is one of the defining
    features of 'race' (at least you in the US) I could theoretically be
    of different race than my UK citizen daughter. Go figure...

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