• The Gay Divorcee (1934)

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Aug 1 08:30:28 2021
    On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT), :

    On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:07:58 AM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.

    Questions:

    1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
    backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
    table?

    2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
    Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)

    Now for something ridiculous:

    TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to >> >> espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various >> >> movies. Her name is Susan Miller.

    Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and >> >> planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.

    https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller

    If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
    quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
    disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology >> >> and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.

    Beware of magical thinking.

    (YOUTUBE UPLOAD):

    Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
    I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?

    Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.

    "Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
    The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
    specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
    nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.

    (Youtube upload):

    THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
    Night and Day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8zHylVk7S0

    Misquotation: “Backwards and in high heels”

    "The comment that the dancer Ginger Rogers did everything that her
    partner Fred Astaire did, but ‘backwards and in high heels’ and therefore with extra difficulty, is often attributed to Rogers
    herself. Rogers, however, denied it, although she recounted an
    anecdote which gave force to the expression. In her autobiography My
    Story (1991), she said that she generally practiced in low heels, and changed to higher heels when filming. When choreographing 'Smoke Gets
    in Your Eyes’, Fred Astaire forgot that she would be wearing high
    heels. As a result, trying to achieve 'a backwards three-step
    turn-jump up the stairs, she nearly lost her balance. She believed,
    though, that the actual line was the coinage of the cartoonist Bob
    Thaves."

    "Years after the near-fall she described, a friend sent her a cartoon
    by Bob Thaves, in his 'Frank and Ernest’ series, from a Los Angeles newspaper. In the cartoon (which certainly popularized if it did not originate the saying), Frank and Ernest are shown gazing at a
    billboard announcing a Fred Astaire film festival. The caption reads:
    'Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything
    he did…backwards and in high heels.’

    From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

    Actually, if you watch them dance, she did not do very much
    "backwards". They danced more "side-by-side". And high heels are
    fairly easy to get used to. They were a great dancing couple and they
    danced as such.

    (Youtube upload):

    When Movies Were Good, Episode 13: Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ggggg9271@gmail.com on Sun Aug 1 08:39:05 2021
    On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg
    <ggggg9271@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT), :

    On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:07:58 AM UTC-7, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.

    Questions:

    1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
    backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
    table?

    2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
    Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)

    Now for something ridiculous:

    TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to >> >> >> espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various >> >> >> movies. Her name is Susan Miller.

    Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and >> >> >> planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.

    https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller

    If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
    quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
    disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology >> >> >> and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.

    Beware of magical thinking.

    (YOUTUBE UPLOAD):

    Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
    I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?

    Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.

    "Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
    The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
    specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
    nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.

    (Youtube upload):

    THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
    Night and Day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8zHylVk7S0

    Misquotation: Backwards and in high heels

    "The comment that the dancer Ginger Rogers did everything that her
    partner Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in high heels and
    therefore with extra difficulty, is often attributed to Rogers
    herself. Rogers, however, denied it, although she recounted an
    anecdote which gave force to the expression. In her autobiography My
    Story (1991), she said that she generally practiced in low heels, and
    changed to higher heels when filming. When choreographing 'Smoke Gets
    in Your Eyes, Fred Astaire forgot that she would be wearing high
    heels. As a result, trying to achieve 'a backwards three-step
    turn-jump up the stairs, she nearly lost her balance. She believed,
    though, that the actual line was the coinage of the cartoonist Bob
    Thaves."

    "Years after the near-fall she described, a friend sent her a cartoon
    by Bob Thaves, in his 'Frank and Ernest series, from a Los Angeles
    newspaper. In the cartoon (which certainly popularized if it did not
    originate the saying), Frank and Ernest are shown gazing at a
    billboard announcing a Fred Astaire film festival. The caption reads:
    'Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything
    he didbackwards and in high heels.

    From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

    Actually, if you watch them dance, she did not do very much
    "backwards". They danced more "side-by-side". And high heels are
    fairly easy to get used to. They were a great dancing couple and they
    danced as such.

    (Youtube upload):

    When Movies Were Good, Episode 13: Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
    him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
    master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her.

    Article:

    ON THE screen they appeared besotted with each other but, as a new
    book reveals, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers were consumed by
    conflict, envy and mistrust - By NEIL NORMAN

    https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/138076/Fred-and-Ginger-The-truth

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Sun Aug 1 21:11:30 2021
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
    him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
    master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
    dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene
    Kelly.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sun Aug 1 15:45:36 2021
    On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:11:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
    him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
    master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
    dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene >Kelly.

    All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
    died. That's my point.

    I have no idea how he actually treated her.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Mon Aug 2 01:37:07 2021
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:11:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
    him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task >>>master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead >>dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene >>Kelly.

    All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
    died. That's my point.

    I have no idea how he actually treated her.

    I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Aug 2 09:56:31 2021
    On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 01:37:07 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:11:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about >>>>him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task >>>>master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead >>>dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene >>>Kelly.

    All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
    died. That's my point.

    I have no idea how he actually treated her.

    I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.

    You must realize that she was elderly when she made the comments, and
    her better days in film were long-gone.

    Too much free time on her hands, too many memories, and maybe not
    enough "glory"? She was 83 years old when she died in 1995. She must
    have felt that Fred got more acclaim than she did.

    Did Fred choreograph the routines? I think he did. He collaborated
    with Hermes Pan (1910 - 1990).

    You know how older people complain. Just ask my housekeeper.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Mon Aug 2 18:56:08 2021
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 2 Aug 2021 01:37:07 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:11:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about >>>>>him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task >>>>>master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead >>>>dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene >>>>Kelly.

    All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he >>>died. That's my point.

    I have no idea how he actually treated her.

    I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.

    You must realize that she was elderly when she made the comments, and
    her better days in film were long-gone.

    Too much free time on her hands, too many memories, and maybe not
    enough "glory"? She was 83 years old when she died in 1995. She must
    have felt that Fred got more acclaim than she did.

    There aren't too many movie pairings from the 1930s remembered as fondly
    as Fred and Ginger decades later. I don't think she was denied acclaim.
    Those movies weren't beloved for their scripts!

    Did Fred choreograph the routines? I think he did. He collaborated
    with Hermes Pan (1910 - 1990).

    You know how older people complain. Just ask my housekeeper.

    Hah!

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Aug 2 12:55:46 2021
    On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:56:08 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Mon, 2 Aug 2021 01:37:07 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:11:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>Mack A. Damia <drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

    After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about >>>>>>him.

    Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task >>>>>>master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .

    Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead >>>>>dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene >>>>>Kelly.

    All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he >>>>died. That's my point.

    I have no idea how he actually treated her.

    I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.

    You must realize that she was elderly when she made the comments, and
    her better days in film were long-gone.

    Too much free time on her hands, too many memories, and maybe not
    enough "glory"? She was 83 years old when she died in 1995. She must
    have felt that Fred got more acclaim than she did.

    There aren't too many movie pairings from the 1930s remembered as fondly
    as Fred and Ginger decades later. I don't think she was denied acclaim.
    Those movies weren't beloved for their scripts!

    Nobody wants to spoil a money-making fairly tale - especially
    Hollywood. I recall reading about Ginger's criticisms of Fred after
    he died, but I have yet to find anything. I remember thinking, "sour
    grapes". I will keep looking. But much that was said about them,
    especially in a negative light, was dreamt up by the publicity
    department to keep them in the news, but Ginger's comments were said
    much later.

    Also, she died over twenty-five years ago. Details of her
    relationship with Astaire have been blurred and distorted - and I
    really don't recall the details of what I read many years ago.

    Did Fred choreograph the routines? I think he did. He collaborated
    with Hermes Pan (1910 - 1990).

    You know how older people complain. Just ask my housekeeper.

    Hah!

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