In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes eight or >ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this problem? (I see this >mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my >cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's
probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number tonearly as many people.)
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's
probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
Also, do the junk phone calls elsewhere nearly all feature people with
strong Indian accents, as they do in the US? Sometimes they call
directly, other times there's a "robot" with no accent, but when I
press 1 (or whatever) to talk to a live representative, they almost
always have that accent.
I really hate that, as I've long prided myself on not being prejudiced against any race or nationality. But when 99% of the time that I hear
that accent it's someone trying to scam me, it's difficult not to
associate the whole nation of India with crime, and to know that I'd
feel a frisson of joy if I were to learn that Pakistan had knocked
them into the stone age, and I would then feel guilty about feeling that.
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number tonearly as many people.)
Over here in the UK, I seem to have periods when I get loads of scam calls on >the landline, two or three a day for a week or so, and then none for months...
Usually, they are either fake Amazon calls, or "There is a problem with your >Internet service!" scams.
If the latter say "press n to continue", they get hung up, but the ones with >real live scammers cam be fun to wind up!
Scammer: "There is a problem with your internet connection"
Me: "Which one?"
Scammer: "What do you mean, which one?"
Me: "Well, I've got four internet connections, so I need to know which one I >can hel you with."
Scammer: "F*** off, no-one has four internet connections, stop lying and >wasting my time!"
I suspect people here won't be surprised to learn that I actually -do- have 4 >connections, willl they? :-)
The house broadband, the small data bundle with my phone, a pocket MiFi >gubbins with a cheap data only SIM, and a mobile link built into the car, with >a tiny data bundle and free Over The Aiir software updates...
Oh, and the car is a Jaguar, not a Tesla, so it doesn't have the "sutopilot" >silliness.
Would you also hate to find out that Pakistanis speak English with
the same accent?
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because
I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
In article <sthhk2$kgs$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
In article <sthg68$aqc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's
probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
Also, do the junk phone calls elsewhere nearly all feature people with >>>strong Indian accents, as they do in the US? Sometimes they call >>>directly, other times there's a "robot" with no accent, but when I
press 1 (or whatever) to talk to a live representative, they almost >>>always have that accent.
The scams delivered by Indian accents are usually "Your computer
is infected by malware, please give me your login and password so
we can fix it!" As if
Canadian phone spam is often robot (woman's voice), but sometimes it's >>Chinese. The English language stuff is always legal threats about
packages and whatnot and I have no idea what the Chinese messages
are about. One sounded like it could have been a wrong number to
a beloved relative so I hope they found the right number.
Women's voices usually try to tell me that my vehicle's warranty
may have expired. I own no vehicles, and Hal's two were built in
1964 and 1978. Which he tells the scammer, before hanging up. I
just hang up.
In article <sthg68$aqc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's
probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
Also, do the junk phone calls elsewhere nearly all feature people with >>strong Indian accents, as they do in the US? Sometimes they call
directly, other times there's a "robot" with no accent, but when I
press 1 (or whatever) to talk to a live representative, they almost
always have that accent.
Canadian phone spam is often robot (woman's voice), but sometimes it's >Chinese. The English language stuff is always legal threats about
packages and whatnot and I have no idea what the Chinese messages
are about. One sounded like it could have been a wrong number to
a beloved relative so I hope they found the right number.
I have a cheap dumb phone that I've never gotten a call on (it's
for emergencies, of which there has been one). Hal just got a
new dumb phone (old company dropped dead), and now he's getting
all kinds of spams and scams, plus a lot of "May I speak to
[Name]?" for people he's never heard of.
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>, eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because
I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
parts spam, scams, and dead air.
In article <sthg68$aqc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's
probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
Also, do the junk phone calls elsewhere nearly all feature people with
strong Indian accents, as they do in the US? Sometimes they call
directly, other times there's a "robot" with no accent, but when I
press 1 (or whatever) to talk to a live representative, they almost
always have that accent.
Canadian phone spam is often robot (woman's voice), but sometimes it's Chinese. The English language stuff is always legal threats about
packages and whatnot and I have no idea what the Chinese messages
are about. One sounded like it could have been a wrong number to
a beloved relative so I hope they found the right number.
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number tonearly as many people.)
Hal just got a
new dumb phone (old company dropped dead), and now he's getting
all kinds of spams and scams, plus a lot of "May I speak to
[Name]?" for people he's never heard of.
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal parts
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably
because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many
people.)
spam, scams, and dead air.
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not be
a scammer immediately available. Just for the halibut I stayed on the
line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did nothing
else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
Over here in the UK, I seem to have periods when I get loads of scam calls on the landline, two or three a day for a week or so, and then none for months...
Usually, they are either fake Amazon calls, or "There is a problem with your Internet service!" scams.
If the latter say "press n to continue", they get hung up, but the ones with real live scammers cam be fun to wind up!
Scammer: "There is a problem with your internet connection"
Me: "Which one?"
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimes
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this problem?
(I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
It doesn't stop calls coming from outside the UK though even if theyspoof
the number they are calling from. You can also block calls from'number
withheld' but there are services that have a genuine reason for not
providing a number.
Over here in the UK, I seem to have periods when I get loads of scam
calls on the landline, two or three a day for a week or so, and then
none for months...
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
I really hate that, as I've long prided myself on not being prejudiced against any race or nationality. But when 99% of the time that I hear
that accent it's someone trying to scam me, it's difficult not to
associate the whole nation of India with crime, and to know that I'd
feel a frisson of joy if I were to learn that Pakistan had knocked
them into the stone age, and I would then feel guilty about feeling that.
Would you also hate to find out that Pakistanis speak English with the same accent?
In article<sthhk2$kgs$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
In article<sthg68$aqc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
eleeper@optonline.net<evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--
sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere
have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly
as many people.)
Also, do the junk phone calls elsewhere nearly all feature people with strong Indian accents, as they do in the US? Sometimes they call directly, other times there's a "robot" with no accent, but when I
press 1 (or whatever) to talk to a live representative, they almost always have that accent.
The scams delivered by Indian accents are usually "Your computer
is infected by malware, please give me your login and password so
we can fix it!" As if
Canadian phone spam is often robot (woman's voice), but sometimes it's Chinese. The English language stuff is always legal threats about
packages and whatnot and I have no idea what the Chinese messages
are about. One sounded like it could have been a wrong number to
a beloved relative so I hope they found the right number.
Women's voices usually try to tell me that my vehicle's warranty
may have expired. I own no vehicles, and Hal's two were built in
1964 and 1978. Which he tells the scammer, before hanging up. I
just hang up.
In article <j5fovgdmbg8j1e960o8ceberv48g3jtcvf@4ax.com>,
alan@thewoodfords.uk (Alan Woodford) wrote:
Over here in the UK, I seem to have periods when I get loads of scam
calls on the landline, two or three a day for a week or so, and then
none for months...
About the same here. Unless I am near the phone and recognise the number,
I just let the answerphone take it - usually nobody speaks. And as my >downstairs landline extension is in the hall and I keep the door closed,
if I'm listening to music or the TV, I often don't hear the phone ring, >anyway.
On 2/3/2022 7:03 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
I have a cheap dumb phone that I've never gotten a call on (it's
for emergencies, of which there has been one). Hal just got a
new dumb phone (old company dropped dead), and now he's getting
all kinds of spams and scams, plus a lot of "May I speak to
[Name]?" for people he's never heard of.
I get those a lot, usually followed by "while I have you on the line" or
some such, followed by me immediately disconnecting.
I try to be polite to spammers and scammer, if they're not too
awful; it must be a hell of a way to make a meager living. If
they are too awful, I hang up.
On 2022 Feb 03, Jeff Urs wrote
(in article <sthloj$q8h$1...@dont-email.me>):
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
I really hate that, as I've long prided myself on not being prejudiced against any race or nationality. But when 99% of the time that I hear that accent it's someone trying to scam me, it's difficult not to associate the whole nation of India with crime, and to know that I'd feel a frisson of joy if I were to learn that Pakistan had knocked
them into the stone age, and I would then feel guilty about feeling that.
Would you also hate to find out that Pakistanis speak English with the sameNot quite. Indians have quite a few regional accents: Hindi, Urdu (almost the
accent?
same as Hindi, just don’t tell either Hindi or Urdu speakers that unless you want to have a fight), Tamil, Bengali, Punjabi, lots more. India’s a big place. Most actual Indian scammers have Hindi or Tamil accents, or at least the ones I’ve encountered have been Hindi or Tamil. Pakistanis are mostly Urdu.
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because >>> I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
parts spam, scams, and dead air.
I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not be
a scammer immediately available.
line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did nothing
else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
On 04/02/2022 06:21, eleeper@optonline.net wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimeseight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably because
I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many people.)
That's why the landline has an answering machine on it. :-)
The mobile gets used for everything else, and One Of The Evil Empires >(google) seems to do a fairly good job of blocking SPAM calls.
When something gets through, on either of them, I go either with , "What
does your mother think about you scamming people", which seldom gets
past "mother" before they <click!>,
In article <slrnsvq37b.e1o.bap@gamma.gizmodynamics.com>, bap@shrdlu.com >(Bernard Peek) wrote:
spoof
It doesn't stop calls coming from outside the UK though even if they
the number they are calling from. You can also block calls from'number
withheld' but there are services that have a genuine reason for not
providing a number.
I had a telephone consultation with a doctor recently. The hospital had
sent me a letter telling me when it was going to be and warned me that
the number would be withheld.
Fine for you. I have nowhere to *put* an answering machine.
Oh, yes, I get a fair few of those on the landline. Sometimes it
starts out as a request to speak to my daughter, to which the
answer is "She's at work." *Then* the caller switches over to
"Well, maybe you can help me," leading to either
In article <r6sFxw.1yCt@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
Fine for you. I have nowhere to *put* an answering machine.
Can you not get a phone with a built-in answer machine. That's how mine >works.
In article <r6sFxw.1yCt@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
Fine for you. I have nowhere to *put* an answering machine.
Can you not get a phone with a built-in answer machine. That's how mine >works.
In article <r6sGpv.1zC2@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
So I have to call somebody to get the video visit changed to a
plain old telephone visit, which annoys the doctor because he
likes to see how the patient is looking.
I think hospitals are preferring telephone consultations here. They have >enough sick people in them already.
In article <r6sFK9.1xx9@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
That's my understanding too. But the flip side is a robocall
from a pharmacy
My pharmacy texts me when it's ready.
In article <r6sFK9.1xx9@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
That's my understanding too. But the flip side is a robocall
from a pharmacy
My pharmacy texts me when it's ready.
Vide supra: neither of us has a phone sufficiently smart to
receive texts.
In article <memo.20220204170750.8304D@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <r6sGpv.1zC2@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
So I have to call somebody to get the video visit changed to a
plain old telephone visit, which annoys the doctor because he
likes to see how the patient is looking.
I think hospitals are preferring telephone consultations here. They have
enough sick people in them already.
Yes, but the people I'm dealing with are specialists. None of
them have put me into a hospital yet, which is a good thing.
And Stanford Medical have really stringent safety rules: you
enter the building wearing a mask, and the guy at the front desk
immediately hands you another mask to put on over the first one.
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January. Google
searches for someone who fills my search terms (in Contra Costa
County, accepts Blue Shield, has some experience with ALS) bring
up no usable results. Imagine a clock face superimposed over the
SF Bay Area. We're currently living at about one o'clock. I'm
searching for somebody at 3 or 4. Google keeps bringing up a
clinic in Corte Madera, which is around 10 o'clock and *two*
bridge crossings away from where we're going to be.
Computers don't *think.*
On 2022 Feb 03, Jeff Urs wrote
Would you also hate to find out that Pakistanis speak English with the same >> accent?
Not quite. Indians have quite a few regional accents: Hindi, Urdu (almost the same as Hindi, just don’t tell either Hindi or Urdu speakers that unless you want to have a fight), Tamil, Bengali, Punjabi, lots more. India’s a big place. Most actual Indian scammers have Hindi or Tamil accents, or at least the ones I’ve encountered have been Hindi or Tamil. Pakistanis are mostly Urdu.
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January.
Google searches for someone who fills my search terms (in Contra
Costa County, accepts Blue Shield, has some experience with ALS)
bring up no usable results. Imagine a clock face superimposed over
the SF Bay Area. We're currently living at about one o'clock. I'm
searching for somebody at 3 or 4. Google keeps bringing up a clinic
in Corte Madera, which is around 10 o'clock and *two* bridge
crossings away from where we're going to be.
On 2/4/2022 11:48 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <memo.20220204170750.8304D@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <r6sGpv.1zC2@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
So I have to call somebody to get the video visit changed to a
plain old telephone visit, which annoys the doctor because he
likes to see how the patient is looking.
I think hospitals are preferring telephone consultations here. They have >>> enough sick people in them already.
Yes, but the people I'm dealing with are specialists. None of
them have put me into a hospital yet, which is a good thing.
And Stanford Medical have really stringent safety rules: you
enter the building wearing a mask, and the guy at the front desk
immediately hands you another mask to put on over the first one.
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January. Google
searches for someone who fills my search terms (in Contra Costa
County, accepts Blue Shield, has some experience with ALS) bring
up no usable results. Imagine a clock face superimposed over the
SF Bay Area. We're currently living at about one o'clock. I'm
searching for somebody at 3 or 4. Google keeps bringing up a
clinic in Corte Madera, which is around 10 o'clock and *two*
bridge crossings away from where we're going to be.
Computers don't *think.*
Did you try the BCBS service locator? I put in Martinez, CA, primary
doctor, and after the list came up selected Neurology under specialty.
Listed 28 doctors.
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
I try to be polite to spammers and scammer, if they're not too
awful; it must be a hell of a way to make a meager living. If
they are too awful, I hang up.
Someone who tries to cheat the confused and ignorant out of their
money does not deserve any sympathy. I tell them to go to hell, or
worse if I'm not in a good mood.
My local hospital is about a five minute walk away.
...
So I have to call somebody to get the video visit changed to a
plain old telephone visit, which annoys the doctor because he
likes to see how the patient is looking.
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January.
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal parts
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably
because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many
people.)
spam, scams, and dead air.
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not be
a scammer immediately available. Just for the halibut I stayed on the
line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did nothing
else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:08:24 -0600, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal parts
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably
because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many
people.)
spam, scams, and dead air.
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not be
a scammer immediately available. Just for the halibut I stayed on the
line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did nothing
else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
Is there any theory about the ones that ring once, and if you pick up
there's just a dial tone? We get quite a few of those, usually with the caller ID "800 service."
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
My local hospital is about a five minute walk away.
Fairfax Hospital is further than that for me, but I can see it from my bedroom window.
The Royal Surrey is almost exactly 600m away, according to Google Maps,
but I can't actually see it from my bedroom window as there are other >buildings in the way. My bedroom faces north-west, the RSCH is due west
of here. Incidentally it's right next to the sports ground which hosted
the women's rugby World Cup a few years ago; I'd occasionally see team >members shopping in Tesco, which is also next door.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
I try to be polite to spammers and scammer, if they're not too
awful; it must be a hell of a way to make a meager living. If
they are too awful, I hang up.
Someone who tries to cheat the confused and ignorant out of their
money does not deserve any sympathy. I tell them to go to hell, or
worse if I'm not in a good mood.
Me too. Given that they're calling numbers on the federal do-not-call
list, they're criminals. As such, there's never any reason to assume
that what they're selling is legitimate, even in the rare case where
it's not immediately obvious that it's a scam. They're "making a
living" in the same sense as bank robbers are.
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not Text
enforcement is nearly non-existent.
I think the ITU should send an ultimatum to the government of India,
saying that if they don't start cracking down on telemarketers that
repeately annoy billions of innocent people all over the globe and
refuse to ever stop, that all communications cables to India will
be cut. Anyone in India with a legitimate need to talk to someone
elsewhere would still be able to do so by satellite. It costs enough
more to deter cold calls that have an infinitesimal rate of response,
but not enough more to deter legitimate calls.
In article <stkbok$2ub$1@dont-email.me>,
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
On 2/4/2022 11:48 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <memo.20220204170750.8304D@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <r6sGpv.1zC2@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
So I have to call somebody to get the video visit changed to a
plain old telephone visit, which annoys the doctor because he
likes to see how the patient is looking.
I think hospitals are preferring telephone consultations here. They have >>>> enough sick people in them already.
Yes, but the people I'm dealing with are specialists. None of
them have put me into a hospital yet, which is a good thing.
And Stanford Medical have really stringent safety rules: you
enter the building wearing a mask, and the guy at the front desk
immediately hands you another mask to put on over the first one.
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January. Google
searches for someone who fills my search terms (in Contra Costa
County, accepts Blue Shield, has some experience with ALS) bring
up no usable results. Imagine a clock face superimposed over the
SF Bay Area. We're currently living at about one o'clock. I'm
searching for somebody at 3 or 4. Google keeps bringing up a
clinic in Corte Madera, which is around 10 o'clock and *two*
bridge crossings away from where we're going to be.
Computers don't *think.*
Did you try the BCBS service locator? I put in Martinez, CA, primary
doctor, and after the list came up selected Neurology under specialty.
Listed 28 doctors.
Well, I googled BCBS, and found a number of offices, some in
Contra Costa, but they all seem to be administrative offices.
The problem is now that we don't know *where* in Contra Costa
we're going to wind up. It's a large region.
Our house-hunting critera at present are as follows:
* South of the Carquinez Bridge, so Meg doesn't have to pay six
bucks to Fastrack every day she goes to work;
* In Contra Costa, because Alameda County is too expensive;
* Landlord is willing to let us install "assistance devices" to
help me get around;**
* Landlord permits cats;
* We can afford it.
Stanford Medical has also assigned me a social worker, who has
already started the paperwork to get the DMV to issue me a blue
wheelchair placard for the car, to be displayed when I am in it.
I can send her email; she works on the Peninsula, but maybe she
has colleagues who know the East Bay.
There's one other organization that might be able to help: the
Center for Independent Living, which is still alive and well in
Berkeley.
Hal is going to have to do the telephoning, because my speech is
already getting indistinct.
But thank you for suggesting the BCBS link.
______
**When the social worker asked if we had any assistance devices,
Hal said, "The only assistance device we have is me."
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections? Anything
less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions would be
tantamount to a declaration of war.
On 2/4/22 8:51 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
I try to be polite to spammers and scammer, if they're not too
awful; it must be a hell of a way to make a meager living. If
they are too awful, I hang up.
Someone who tries to cheat the confused and ignorant out of their
money does not deserve any sympathy. I tell them to go to hell, or
worse if I'm not in a good mood.
Me too. Given that they're calling numbers on the federal do-not-call
list, they're criminals. As such, there's never any reason to assume
that what they're selling is legitimate, even in the rare case where
it's not immediately obvious that it's a scam. They're "making a
living" in the same sense as bank robbers are.
The ones that I get most often are the auto warranty extension scammers,
with the recorded voice always saying that it's the last time they'll
call me, so they're fraudulent beyond any doubt.
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:55:42 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
I don't at present have what over here we call a "primary care
physician," because mine retired at the end of January.
It a trend--Mark is on his *fourth* neurologist in the last two years.
The first
two were older doctors who would probably have retired in a few years, but >the pandemic pushed them to retire sooner. The first had a small practice >that he closed. The second was with Robert Wood Johnson Hospital, so
when he retired, they assigned Mark to another doctor, but she was on >maternity leave, so he had an interim nurse-practitioner. At least we
feel that
by choosing a doctor in a big hospital department that they would have a >replacement if the current doctor leaves.
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:08:24 -0600, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phone calls--sometimesI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal parts
eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and elsewhere have this
problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but that's probably
because I have not given out my cellphone number to nearly as many
people.)
spam, scams, and dead air.
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not be
a scammer immediately available. Just for the halibut I stayed on the
line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did nothing
else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
Is there any theory about the ones that ring once, and if you pick up
there's just a dial tone? We get quite a few of those, usually with the >caller ID "800 service."
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections? Anything
less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions would be
tantamount to a declaration of war.
The ITU is part of the UN. Who exactly would be declaring war? The
whole world? What would India do about it? Nuke the world's ten
largest non-Indian cities regardless of what nations those cities are
in? Or invade the whole world with troops and tanks? All to defend
crooks who presumably comprise less than one percent of their economy
and cause trillions of dollars of damage per year all over the world?
When I get a call from an unknown number that does not leave
voicemail, I report it to my provider as attempted fraud.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections? Anything
less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions would be
tantamount to a declaration of war.
The ITU is part of the UN. Who exactly would be declaring war? The
whole world? What would India do about it? Nuke the world's ten
largest non-Indian cities regardless of what nations those cities are
in? Or invade the whole world with troops and tanks? All to defend
crooks who presumably comprise less than one percent of their economy
and cause trillions of dollars of damage per year all over the world?
Is this UN agency really capable of cutting any country off from all telecommunications?
If so, it should be stripped of this power NOW. It's to dangerous
a power for anyone to have, even if you'd like them to have it in
order to carry out your grudge.
There's no need to nuke cities to stop such techno-tyrants.
Just arrest the scumbags who do it and then figure out how to clean
up whatever mess they made. And then figure out how to keep anyone
from doing it again.
Disabling all incoming and outgoing communications to an entire
country would be pretty awful.
And it really wouldn't do much good, since the call centers would
just move to some other countries.
The scammers may be in country A, having bought an autodialer kit
from country B, complete with a prerecorded message made in country
C. They may then route connected calls to a call center in country
D. Which country do we want to declare sanctions against?
And, of course, I don't believe that cutting a cable just outside
India's borders is a crime against India or against anyone else.
Probably the only such cables go through Pakistan, China, and Myanmar.
If those three countries all decide to cut their cables to India, how
is that an act of war or otherwise illegal, dishonest, or immoral?
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Disabling all incoming and outgoing communications to an entire
country would be pretty awful.
As I said, they could still communicate via satellite. That would
cost enough more that cold-calling in search of rare super-gullible
people wouldn't be profitable, but it shouldn't significantly
interfere with any legitimate business.
And it really wouldn't do much good, since the call centers would
just move to some other countries.
India is unique in that it has a large number of people who speak
English who are willing to work for very low wages.
Even if there were another such country, its government would crack
down on large criminal enterprises being run within its borders lest
the cables to that country also be cut. And also because such rackets
tend to make the populations of the victim countries prejudiced against
the criminal-harboring country hence unwilling to do business with them.
The scammers may be in country A, having bought an autodialer kit
from country B, complete with a prerecorded message made in country
C. They may then route connected calls to a call center in country
D. Which country do we want to declare sanctions against?
The one the calls are coming from.
In article <aYqLJ.18263$Gojc.5724@fx99.iad>,
Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:08:24 -0600, Jay E. Morris wrote:
On 2/3/2022 6:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <fbebc6fa-b95d-40d5-85ed-0bf47525d4den@googlegroups.com>,I've learned that the dead air is because the robodailer just keeps
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In the United States, we are plagued with junk phoneI get them on my landline, which sits at my bedside. About equal
calls--sometimes eight or ten a day. Do people in the UK and
elsewhere have this problem? (I see this mostly on my landline, but >>>>> that's probably because I have not given out my cellphone number to
nearly as many people.)
parts spam, scams, and dead air.
running through the numbers and if someone one picks up there may not
be a scammer immediately available. Just for the halibut I stayed on
the line for about three minutes once and no one came on. If I did
nothing else I tied up that one line, out of probably dozens.
Is there any theory about the ones that ring once, and if you pick up >>there's just a dial tone? We get quite a few of those, usually with the >>caller ID "800 service."
I have never gotten that. But mind you, I don't have Caller ID on the landline. I get silence. I hang on for long enough to say "Hello?"
twice, and then say "Dead air" and hang up.
On 2/5/22 11:15 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections? Anything
less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions would be
tantamount to a declaration of war.
The ITU is part of the UN. Who exactly would be declaring war? The
whole world? What would India do about it? Nuke the world's ten
largest non-Indian cities regardless of what nations those cities are
in? Or invade the whole world with troops and tanks? All to defend
crooks who presumably comprise less than one percent of their economy
and cause trillions of dollars of damage per year all over the world?
Is this UN agency really capable of cutting any country off from all telecommunications? If so, it should be stripped of this power NOW. It's
to dangerous a power for anyone to have, even if you'd like them to have
it in order to carry out your grudge.
There's no need to nuke cities to stop such techno-tyrants. Just arrest
the scumbags who do it and then figure out how to clean up whatever mess
they made. And then figure out how to keep anyone from doing it again.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections? Anything
less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions would be
tantamount to a declaration of war.
The ITU is part of the UN. Who exactly would be declaring war? The
whole world? What would India do about it? Nuke the world's ten
largest non-Indian cities regardless of what nations those cities are
in? Or invade the whole world with troops and tanks? All to defend
crooks who presumably comprise less than one percent of their economy
and cause trillions of dollars of damage per year all over the world?
And, of course, I don't believe that cutting a cable just outside
India's borders is a crime against India or against anyone else.
Probably the only such cables go through Pakistan, China, and Myanmar.
If those three countries all decide to cut their cables to India, how
is that an act of war or otherwise illegal, dishonest, or immoral?
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the
Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located in New >Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
And, of course, I don't believe that cutting a cable just
outside India's borders is a crime against India or against
anyone else. Probably the only such cables go through Pakistan,
China, and Myanmar. If those three countries all decide to cut
their cables to India, how is that an act of war or otherwise
illegal, dishonest, or immoral?
On 2/4/22 11:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not
Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
I think the ITU should send an ultimatum to the government of
India, saying that if they don't start cracking down on
telemarketers that repeately annoy billions of innocent people
all over the globe and refuse to ever stop, that all
communications cables to India will be cut. Anyone in India
with a legitimate need to talk to someone elsewhere would still
be able to do so by satellite. It costs enough more to deter
cold calls that have an infinitesimal rate of response, but not
enough more to deter legitimate calls.
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections?
Anything less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions
would be tantamount to a declaration of war.
Since all of the usual connections are VoIP, then you need to locate
a TCP/IP connection.
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the
Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located in
New Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in >news:stmo8r$2uh$1@reader1.panix.com:
And, of course, I don't believe that cutting a cable just
outside India's borders is a crime against India or against
anyone else. Probably the only such cables go through Pakistan,
China, and Myanmar. If those three countries all decide to cut
their cables to India, how is that an act of war or otherwise
illegal, dishonest, or immoral?
For starters, there's almost certainly treaties that prohibit it, or
at least specify the process by which it can be done (and your idiocy
isn't it). And under the US Constitution, a treaty ratified by the
Senate is of equal authority as the Constitution itself.
Ben Yalow <ybmcu@panix.com> wrote:
Since all of the usual connections are VoIP, then you need to locate
a TCP/IP connection.
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the
Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located in
New Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
Sigh. Context, please. If all cables entering India are cut, as
I proposed, then India will only be able to make phone calls via
satellite, which costs enough more that scammers won't be able to
make a profit. Whether they use an IP address in London or fake
a phone number in New Jersey won't change this fundamental fact.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in >news:stm2am$r7d$1@dont-email.me:
On 2/4/22 11:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:In the same sense that allowing their subjects to engage in
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not
Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
I think the ITU should send an ultimatum to the government of
India, saying that if they don't start cracking down on
telemarketers that repeately annoy billions of innocent people
all over the globe and refuse to ever stop, that all
communications cables to India will be cut. Anyone in India
with a legitimate need to talk to someone elsewhere would still
be able to do so by satellite. It costs enough more to deter
cold calls that have an infinitesimal rate of response, but not
enough more to deter legitimate calls.
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections?
Anything less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions
would be tantamount to a declaration of war.
*massive* economic attacks on foreign countries with no fear of
punishment might be considered an act of economic war?
I'm reminded of the old game Master of Orion. The computer races
will make friendly overtures, even agree to non-aggression pacts,
while sending transports to invade and conquer your worlds. Then,
when you take your world back, *they* will declare war on *you*.
Sorry, son, the war started long before the retaliation.
Ben Yalow <ybmcu@panix.com> wrote:
Since all of the usual connections are VoIP, then you need to locate
a TCP/IP connection.
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the
Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located in
New Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
Sigh. Context, please. If all cables entering India are cut, as
I proposed, then India will only be able to make phone calls via
satellite, which costs enough more that scammers won't be able to
make a profit. Whether they use an IP address in London or fake
a phone number in New Jersey won't change this fundamental fact.
Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com> wrote:
Since all of the usual connections are VoIP, then you need to locate
a TCP/IP connection.
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located inSigh. Context, please. If all cables entering India are cut, as
New Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
I proposed, then India will only be able to make phone calls via
satellite, which costs enough more that scammers won't be able to
make a profit. Whether they use an IP address in London or fake
a phone number in New Jersey won't change this fundamental fact.
On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:35:26 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in >news:stm2am$r7d$1...@dont-email.me:
On 2/4/22 11:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:In the same sense that allowing their subjects to engage in
Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do Not
Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
I think the ITU should send an ultimatum to the government of
India, saying that if they don't start cracking down on
telemarketers that repeately annoy billions of innocent people
all over the globe and refuse to ever stop, that all
communications cables to India will be cut. Anyone in India
with a legitimate need to talk to someone elsewhere would still
be able to do so by satellite. It costs enough more to deter
cold calls that have an infinitesimal rate of response, but not
enough more to deter legitimate calls.
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections?
Anything less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of sanctions
would be tantamount to a declaration of war.
*massive* economic attacks on foreign countries with no fear of
punishment might be considered an act of economic war?
I'm reminded of the old game Master of Orion. The computer racesSo, now, allowing telemarketers to operate, is an act of war?
will make friendly overtures, even agree to non-aggression pacts,
while sending transports to invade and conquer your worlds. Then,
when you take your world back, *they* will declare war on *you*.
Sorry, son, the war started long before the retaliation.
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its commerce,
which will very likely lead to military action by India against whoever
cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing business with India, >economic impoverishment, and world instability.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its commerce,
which will very likely lead to military action by India against whoever
cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing business with India,
economic impoverishment, and world instability.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
And within a week the scammers will have moved their call centers to
the Phillipines and you'll be getting the same calls with the same prerecorded messages.
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
If those three countries all decide to cut their cables to India,
how is that an act of war or otherwise illegal, dishonest, or
immoral?
For starters, there's almost certainly treaties that prohibit it,
or at least specify the process by which it can be done (and your
idiocy isn't it). And under the US Constitution, a treaty ratified
by the Senate is of equal authority as the Constitution itself.
Ask the Native Americans how well that works out.
On 07/02/2022 11:19, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its commerce,
which will very likely lead to military action by India against whoever
cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing business with India,
economic impoverishment, and world instability.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
And within a week the scammers will have moved their call centers to
the Phillipines and you'll be getting the same calls with the same
prerecorded messages.
A week?!?! You're living in the past, 24 hours max!
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its
commerce, which will very likely lead to military action by India
against whoever cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing
business with India, economic impoverishment, and world instability.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
In the same sense that allowing their subjects to engage in
*massive* economic attacks on foreign countries with no fear
of punishment might be considered an act of economic war?
So, now, allowing telemarketers to operate, is an act of war?
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its
commerce, which will very likely lead to military action by India
against whoever cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing
business with India, economic impoverishment, and world instability.
As I've said multiple times in this thread, satellite communications
are only slightly more expensive. The only group it will significantly >affect are telemarketers who probably have to make thousands of
overseas calls for each sucker they find.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
Me and billions of others, yes. Multiply a minor inconvenience by a
few billion, and repeat it multiple times per day in perpetuity, and
pretty soon you're talking costs and loss of useful human life that
rival that of the 9/11 attacks.
On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:39:16 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in >>news:stmo8r$2uh$1@reader1.panix.com:
And, of course, I don't believe that cutting a cable just
outside India's borders is a crime against India or against
anyone else. Probably the only such cables go through
Pakistan, China, and Myanmar. If those three countries all
decide to cut their cables to India, how is that an act of war
or otherwise illegal, dishonest, or immoral?
For starters, there's almost certainly treaties that prohibit
it, or at least specify the process by which it can be done (and
your idiocy isn't it). And under the US Constitution, a treaty
ratified by the Senate is of equal authority as the Constitution
itself.
Ask the Native Americans how well that works out.
On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:35:26 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in >>news:stm2am$r7d$1@dont-email.me:
On 2/4/22 11:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:In the same sense that allowing their subjects to engage in
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
Almost all of this junk is generated abroad, so the DNC/Do
Not Text enforcement is nearly non-existent.
I think the ITU should send an ultimatum to the government of
India, saying that if they don't start cracking down on
telemarketers that repeately annoy billions of innocent
people all over the globe and refuse to ever stop, that all
communications cables to India will be cut. Anyone in India
with a legitimate need to talk to someone elsewhere would
still be able to do so by satellite. It costs enough more to
deter cold calls that have an infinitesimal rate of response,
but not enough more to deter legitimate calls.
_All_ communication cables? Including TCP/IP connections?
Anything less wouldn't stop VoIP calls. That level of
sanctions would be tantamount to a declaration of war.
*massive* economic attacks on foreign countries with no fear of
punishment might be considered an act of economic war?
I'm reminded of the old game Master of Orion. The computer races
will make friendly overtures, even agree to non-aggression
pacts, while sending transports to invade and conquer your
worlds. Then, when you take your world back, *they* will declare
war on *you*. Sorry, son, the war started long before the
retaliation.
So, now, allowing telemarketers to operate, is an act of war?
Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
If those three countries all decide to cut their cables to
India, how is that an act of war or otherwise illegal,
dishonest, or immoral?
For starters, there's almost certainly treaties that prohibit
it, or at least specify the process by which it can be done
(and your idiocy isn't it). And under the US Constitution, a
treaty ratified by the Senate is of equal authority as the
Constitution itself.
Ask the Native Americans how well that works out.
What does a US treaty have to do with whether a nation bordering
India decides to unplug its cable to India?
So, now, allowing telemarketers to operate, is an act of war?
As much as cutting an internet cable, and by the same logic.
(What Keith is apparently too fucking clueless to get is that
there are far more effective ways of blocking internet from a
county than severing the cable, of course.)
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:36:30 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
So, now, allowing telemarketers to operate, is an act of war?
As much as cutting an internet cable, and by the same logic.
(What Keith is apparently too fucking clueless to get is that
there are far more effective ways of blocking internet from a
county than severing the cable, of course.)
Cutting a country's connections to the Internet and
telecommunications would be an act of war. Being less than
perfect at finding and arresting illegal telemarketers is not.
Ben Yalow <ybmcu@panix.com> wrote:
Since all of the usual connections are VoIP, then you need to locate
a TCP/IP connection.
And note that, with three computers on my desk and connected to the
Internet at the moment, one is located in Dallas, one is located in
New Jersey, and one is located in London Docklands.
Sigh. Context, please. If all cables entering India are cut, as
I proposed, then India will only be able to make phone calls via
satellite, which costs enough more that scammers won't be able to
make a profit. Whether they use an IP address in London or fake
a phone number in New Jersey won't change this fundamental fact.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
And it will be cut off from the Internet and crippled in its commerce, >>which will very likely lead to military action by India against whoever >>cuts the cables, great frustration by anyone doing business with India, >>economic impoverishment, and world instability.
All so you won't get some scam phone calls.
And within a week the scammers will have moved their call centers to
the Phillipines and you'll be getting the same calls with the same prerecorded messages.
--scott
While we are pondering improbables let me throw in another one.
If the scammers moved to the US they might claim first-amendment
protection. But as the ITU gets its authority from a treaty the
constitution does not necessarily have precedence.
If it's an order from the ITU I would expect it to cover satellite connections too. The ITU governs all telecommunication services.
Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
If it's an order from the ITU I would expect it to cover satellite connections too. The ITU governs all telecommunication services.It could order that, but it would be overkill. The goal isn't to make communications from India difficult or impossible, but to make it cost
just enough that it's no longer profitable to harass a thousand people
for every one gullible sucker.
It's also much harder to block radio waves than to unplug cables.
India has its own communications satellites. And satellites of other
nations couldn't necessarily tell whether a transmitter was in India
or not, especially if the transmitter was close to the border.
ObSF: I'm currently reading Baxter's _The Massacre of Mankind_. A
character in 1920 makes a transatlantic phone call on the new cable.
I don't think so, even though it's alternate history. The first
transatlantic telegraph cable was in the 1850s, but the first
transatlantic *telephone* cable wasn't until the 1950s. It's a much
harder problem, and that technology just didn't exist in the 1920s.
Transatlantic phone service was inaugurated in 1927. It was done by
shortwave radio.
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