• Convention rules: bag searches

    From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 11 12:56:15 2022
    XPost: ", rec.music.filk"

    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the
    following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der Veranstaltung Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own translation is "The
    Committee is authorized to check the attendees bags during the convention."

    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule? "Taschenkontrolle"
    is an uncommon word in German, meaning "check" in the sense of "search,"
    not merely in the sense of leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends
    whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it
    would dissuade me from attending.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jan 11 10:43:23 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:56:18 PM UTC-5, Gary McGath wrote:
    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the
    following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der Veranstaltung Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own translation is "The
    Committee is authorized to check the attendees bags during the convention."

    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule? "Taschenkontrolle"
    is an uncommon word in German, meaning "check" in the sense of "search,"
    not merely in the sense of leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends
    whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it
    would dissuade me from attending.

    That's a new one on me. Most big cons are at hotels, which don't require it.

    Perhaps they did this at some British Cons during The Troubles - there were
    bag checks at all kinds of venues then.

    pt

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Tue Jan 11 11:38:01 2022
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in news:a900c8aa-7dd9-4505-81bf-aa39a2a0bbden@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:56:18 PM UTC-5, Gary McGath
    wrote:
    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the
    following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der
    Veranstaltung Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own
    translation is "The Committee is authorized to check the
    attendees bags during the convention."

    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule?
    "Taschenkontrolle" is an uncommon word in German, meaning
    "check" in the sense of "search," not merely in the sense of
    leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run
    by friends whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but
    for most cons it would dissuade me from attending.

    That's a new one on me. Most big cons are at hotels, which
    don't require it.

    Perhaps they did this at some British Cons during The Troubles -
    there were bag checks at all kinds of venues then.

    Comic Con San Diego got picky about costumes that included realistic
    looking weaponry (Stargate was popular at the time, and swords are
    always popular), but they didn't search bags that I recall. (Of
    course, it's been over a decade since I attended, and things may have
    changed. On the other hand, they hire bonded professional security,
    so it's easier to not freak out over it.)

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Tue Jan 11 12:51:09 2022
    On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:56:15 -0500, Gary McGath
    <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the
    following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der Veranstaltung >Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own translation is "The
    Committee is authorized to check the attendees bags during the convention."

    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule? "Taschenkontrolle"
    is an uncommon word in German, meaning "check" in the sense of "search,"
    not merely in the sense of leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends
    whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it
    would dissuade me from attending.

    I don't know about conventions, but museums, and similar ventures, do
    it all the time. IME the search is rather cursory, open your bag and
    let the guard look into it.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Tue Jan 11 17:30:27 2022
    On 1/11/22 1:43 PM, Peter Trei wrote:

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends
    whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it
    would dissuade me from attending.

    That's a new one on me. Most big cons are at hotels, which don't require it.

    Perhaps they did this at some British Cons during The Troubles - there were bag checks at all kinds of venues then.

    One of the con organizers told me it's a fairly common thing in Germany,
    and they put the clause in to satisfy the lawyers.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to tppm@ca.rr.com on Tue Jan 11 22:38:28 2022
    In article <s5rrtgpnk5p3tu119ifradmb4c551quhqd@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:56:15 -0500, Gary McGath ><garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the
    following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der Veranstaltung >>Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own translation is "The
    Committee is authorized to check the attendees bags during the convention." >>
    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule? "Taschenkontrolle"
    is an uncommon word in German, meaning "check" in the sense of "search," >>not merely in the sense of leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends >>whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it
    would dissuade me from attending.

    I don't know about conventions, but museums, and similar ventures, do
    it all the time. IME the search is rather cursory, open your bag and
    let the guard look into it.

    Disneyland/World does the same. I understand they confiscate
    many more selfie sticks than weaponry.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Jan 11 19:51:05 2022
    On 1/11/22 5:38 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    I don't know about conventions, but museums, and similar ventures, do
    it all the time. IME the search is rather cursory, open your bag and
    let the guard look into it.

    Disneyland/World does the same. I understand they confiscate
    many more selfie sticks than weaponry.


    As does Regal Cinema. The most popular explanation is they're looking
    for food that people sneak in.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jan 11 16:56:02 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in news:srl8lp$ca9$1@dont-email.me:

    On 1/11/22 5:38 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    I don't know about conventions, but museums, and similar
    ventures, do it all the time. IME the search is rather
    cursory, open your bag and let the guard look into it.

    Disneyland/World does the same. I understand they confiscate
    many more selfie sticks than weaponry.


    As does Regal Cinema. The most popular explanation is they're
    looking for food that people sneak in.

    Given that pretty much all their income is from the concession stand,
    I suspect that really is the reason.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Jan 11 21:01:25 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:40:19 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <s5rrtgpnk5p3tu119...@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:56:15 -0500, Gary McGath ><ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    The rules for DFDF, a small German filk convention, include the >>following: "Das Committee ist berechtigt, waehrend der Veranstaltung >>Taschenkontrollen durchzufuehren." Their own translation is "The >>Committee is authorized to check the attendees bags during the convention." >>
    Has anyone heard of other cons having a similar rule? "Taschenkontrolle" >>is an uncommon word in German, meaning "check" in the sense of "search," >>not merely in the sense of leaving one's bags at a holding facility.

    This is a small convention (probably less than 50 people) run by friends >>whom I highly trust, so it's not a deal-killer, but for most cons it >>would dissuade me from attending.

    I don't know about conventions, but museums, and similar ventures, do
    it all the time. IME the search is rather cursory, open your bag and
    let the guard look into it.
    Disneyland/World does the same. I understand they confiscate
    many more selfie sticks than weaponry.

    Watched them doing this last time I was there. Noted that they made
    zero effort to check the undercarriage and void spaces of the mobility
    scooters a large number of people used. Security Theater strikes again.

    Pt

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Wed Jan 12 11:28:00 2022
    In article <srl0e3$t72$1@dont-email.me>, garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com
    (Gary McGath) wrote:


    One of the con organizers told me it's a fairly common thing in
    Germany, and they put the clause in to satisfy the lawyers.


    I've been to several non-filk cons in Germany and have never had my bag searched. (I have had my bag searched going to a baseball game during a
    US con.)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Wed Jan 12 19:02:26 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    As does Regal Cinema. The most popular explanation is they're looking
    for food that people sneak in.

    I'm not surprised.

    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Dorsey on Thu Jan 13 11:30:00 2022
    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...

    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake. But they like popcorn! Odd.

    Lynne Murphy on her Separated by a Common Language blog discussed
    differences in cakes between the UK and the US recently.

    https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2021/12/cake.html

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 13 08:31:57 2022
    On another aspect of convention rules: I've noticed lately that more conventions have rules saying "the right not to be harassed doesn't mean
    the right not to be offended," in contrast with the widespread rules of
    just a few years ago saying, in effect, "Saying anything somebody
    doesn't like is harassment." There's still a lot of the latter, but
    there's more of the former.

    I've never been in the middle of battles over convention rules, so I
    can't claim any great credit, but I'd like to think I've helped a little
    in pushing things that way.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Jan 13 06:14:39 2022
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 6:30:17 AM UTC-5, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1...@panix2.panix.com>, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...
    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake.

    My older sister makes delicious fruitcake, though the annual gift of one
    has apparently been cancelled by COVID-19. My mother made them
    when we were kids. Good fruitcake gets a bad reputation from poorly made,
    or often just poorly-stored/shipped commercial versions.

    But they like popcorn! Odd.


    We USians got popcorn from the folks living here before we white-eyes showed up.

    [quote]

    .....but it wasn’t until 2012 that archaeologists unearthed the first evidence of
    popcorn in Peru: 6,700-year-old corn cobs studded with puffed kernels.

    [/quote] - https://www.seriouseats.com/popcorn-history-movie-theaters

    See also:

    https://www.history.com/news/a-history-of-popcorn

    Popcorn and the potato! Gracias, Peru!

    Lynne Murphy on her Separated by a Common Language blog discussed differences in cakes between the UK and the US recently.

    https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2021/12/cake.html

    I enjoyed that. Thanks.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Jan 13 14:28:40 2022
    In article <memo.20220113113015.13008A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...

    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake. But they like >popcorn! Odd.

    Depends on the fruit cake. I have a recipe for fruit cake (which
    when sliced looks like stained glass), that once got me a
    proposal of marriage.

    Mind you, I was already married, and he knew it, and Hal was
    standing right there. But it was a gratifying flight of oratory.

    (The recipe appears at the end of _The Interior Life_ on my
    webpage.)

    https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2021/12/cake.html

    Ooooh. I did not know this site existed. Bookmarked for further
    explanation.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Thu Jan 13 08:29:12 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in news:srp9ke$ogq$1@dont-email.me:

    On another aspect of convention rules: I've noticed lately that
    more conventions have rules saying "the right not to be harassed
    doesn't mean the right not to be offended," in contrast with the
    widespread rules of just a few years ago saying, in effect,
    "Saying anything somebody doesn't like is harassment." There's
    still a lot of the latter, but there's more of the former.

    The latter is a two edged sword. Taken to enough of an extreme, and
    you can complain that you don't like that someone complained about
    you. And some of the codes of conduct are so poorly written that that
    would be the only logical interpretation.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Jan 13 08:32:12 2022
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...

    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake. But they like >popcorn! Odd.

    Lynne Murphy on her Separated by a Common Language blog discussed
    differences in cakes between the UK and the US recently.

    https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2021/12/cake.html

    If you have comment privileges there, you might respond to:

    There's the one set by gelatin (or vegetarian alternatives) that is
    traditional at parties served with ice cream (known as jello in the
    US, I believe).

    That Jello is a trademarked brand, and the generic is gelatin.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Thu Jan 13 17:28:00 2022
    In article <65c9e759-cc79-438e-8da1-883073600962n@googlegroups.com>, kevrob@my-deja.com (Kevrob) wrote:


    My older sister makes delicious fruitcake, though the annual gift of
    one has apparently been cancelled by COVID-19. My mother made them
    when we were kids. Good fruitcake gets a bad reputation from
    poorly made, or often just poorly-stored/shipped commercial versions.

    My mother used to make a good Christmas cake and now my sister does. As
    I couldn't get to visit her this Christmas she sent a sample along with
    my Christmas present. And then the Royal Mail messed things up. Someone
    got the From address and the To address confused and Guildford sorting
    office sent it back to Corbridge, where she lives. It did finally get to
    me, and before Christmas.

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Thu Jan 13 17:18:21 2022
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 6:30:17 AM UTC-5, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1...@panix2.panix.com>, klu...@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...
    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake.

    My older sister makes delicious fruitcake, though the annual gift of one
    has apparently been cancelled by COVID-19. My mother made them
    when we were kids. Good fruitcake gets a bad reputation from poorly made,
    or often just poorly-stored/shipped commercial versions.

    I dearly love American-style fruitcake, but there are some incredibly poor quality examples sold out there.
    We like this one, although it's pricy compared to the (ugh) "Walmart special": https://collinstreet.com/deluxe-fruitcake
    You don't hit "wheat flour" until the fourth ingredient. The top ingredient
    is pecans (27%). We're infusing one with rum right now.
    Of course it's a bit like beer...better quality only gets you so far. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Thu Jan 13 17:28:00 2022
    In article <dok0ughq8b68hvfsto03rr1vcp8c19etab@4ax.com>, tppm@ca.rr.com
    (Tim Merrigan) wrote:


    That Jello is a trademarked brand, and the generic is gelatin.

    Murphy is from the US and a linguist, so I assume she knows that.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Jan 13 12:42:41 2022
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <65c9e759-cc79-438e...@googlegroups.com>,
    kev...@my-deja.com (Kevrob) wrote:


    My older sister makes delicious fruitcake, though the annual gift of
    one has apparently been cancelled by COVID-19. My mother made them
    when we were kids. Good fruitcake gets a bad reputation from
    poorly made, or often just poorly-stored/shipped commercial versions.
    My mother used to make a good Christmas cake and now my sister does. As
    I couldn't get to visit her this Christmas she sent a sample along with
    my Christmas present. And then the Royal Mail messed things up. Someone
    got the From address and the To address confused and Guildford sorting
    office sent it back to Corbridge, where she lives. It did finally get to
    me, and before Christmas.

    In our Irish-descended family, the fruitcake is likely a remnant of the Christmas cake tradition. The awful ones are infamous in song and
    story.

    https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3991

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al1n1s3n8-U&ab_channel=MickMoloneyandEugeneO%27Donnell-Topic

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Fri Jan 14 00:03:56 2022
    In article <srpmst$2pa3$1@memoryalpha.rosettacon.com>,
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 6:30:17 AM UTC-5, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <srn8k2$bcr$1...@panix2.panix.com>, klu...@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Maybe if they'd actually use butter on their popcorn...
    I was amused to discover Americans don't like fruit cake.

    My older sister makes delicious fruitcake, though the annual gift of one
    has apparently been cancelled by COVID-19. My mother made them
    when we were kids. Good fruitcake gets a bad reputation from poorly made, >> or often just poorly-stored/shipped commercial versions.

    I dearly love American-style fruitcake, but there are some incredibly poor >quality examples sold out there.
    We like this one, although it's pricy compared to the (ugh) "Walmart special": >https://collinstreet.com/deluxe-fruitcake
    You don't hit "wheat flour" until the fourth ingredient. The top ingredient >is pecans (27%). We're infusing one with rum right now.
    Of course it's a bit like beer...better quality only gets you so far. If you >don't like it, you don't like it.

    Well, depending how you put them together, the wheat flour is
    *tenth* on my list. This is if you list all the candied fruit
    and nuts before starting in on the butter, sugar, and eggs.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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