The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "ele...@optonline.net" <evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
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On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:44:14 AM UTC-5, merri...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "ele...@optonline.net"
<evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote: >> >> The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for acceptingBasically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
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Aren't they involved on space, also?
On 12/23/2021 5:52 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
"Some people" were complaining because they see Raytheon as an eeevvvil company because they are a defense contractor. This resulted in a
Twitter storm, as you can see here:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "eleeper@optonline.net" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for
accepting Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't
say why it was wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
"Some people" were complaining because they see Raytheon as an
eeevvvil company because they are a defense contractor. This
resulted in a Twitter storm, as you can see here:
https://twitter.com/worldcon2021/status/1472361395148648448
I have good reason to know that the task of photographing finalists
before the ceremony is normally done by convention staffers.
Whom does the Chengdu con committee have to keep happy? The Chinese government. The Chinese government doesn't object to arms dealers
as such. It objects to arms dealers, such as Raytheon, that sell to
Taiwan.
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "eleeper@optonline.net" ><evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
Whom does the Chengdu con committee have to keep happy? The Chinese government. The Chinese government doesn't object to arms dealers as
such. It objects to arms dealers, such as Raytheon, that sell to Taiwan.
Sorry, I misread it. I thought it was the Chengdu chair that made
the apology. It wasn't.
I did go to the Raytheon table, where I picked up a free
squishy rocket.
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
Sorry, I misread it. I thought it was the Chengdu chair that made
the apology. It wasn't.
I don't think there's much chance of Raytheon offering to sponsor
the Chengdu Worldcon -- which of course hasn't happened yet. It's
scheduled for August 23-29 of 2023, which I think is a record length.
Of course I won't be attending. As I mentioned, I walked out of the announcement. I also didn't attend their room parties or go to their
fan table, nor will I do so next year in Chicago. I did go to the
Raytheon table, where I picked up a free squishy rocket.
On 2021 Dec 24, Tim Merrigan wrote
(in article<1enasgta77btq35i4ldqqja42tir0mktg6@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "eleeper@optonline.net"
<evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote: >> > > The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
Hmm... Some of their divisions, such as Pratt & Whitney, do an awful lot of >civilian thingies. P&W builds turbines: aircraft engines, helicopter engines >(slightly different from fixed-wing aircraft engines), ship engines, electric >power gensets, that kind of thing.
On the other hand, one of their divisions builds every American-made missile >that you’ve ever heard of and a few that you haven’t. Patriot, Javelin
(the American, not the Canadian Javelin), Standard, HARM, swarms more. >Another division builds drones. Certain people will disapprove of them.
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:10:41 -0500, Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com>
wrote:
On 2021 Dec 24, Tim Merrigan wrote
(in article<1enasgta77btq35i4...@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "ele...@optonline.net"
<evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting >> > > Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was >> > > wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.
Hmm... Some of their divisions, such as Pratt & Whitney, do an awful lot of >civilian thingies. P&W builds turbines: aircraft engines, helicopter engines
(slightly different from fixed-wing aircraft engines), ship engines, electric
power gensets, that kind of thing.
On the other hand, one of their divisions builds every American-made missileFor fictional counterparts two names came prominently to mind, to wit,
that you’ve ever heard of and a few that you haven’t. Patriot, Javelin >(the American, not the Canadian Javelin), Standard, HARM, swarms more. >Another division builds drones. Certain people will disapprove of them.
Daddy Warbucks (though, as far as I know, we don't actually know what
he does, other than his name) and Andrew Undershaft, though without
the social engineering.
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The Chinese government doesn't object to arms dealers as such. It objects > to arms dealers, such as Raytheon, that sell to Taiwan.
Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:05:17 -0800 (PST), "ele...@optonline.net" ><evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:52:08 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote: >>> The chair of the recent Worldcon just posted an apology for accepting
Raytheon as a sponsor of the convention. She doesn't say why it was
wrong. Does anyone have any idea?
They're basically an arms dealer.
Basically? They're straight up an arms dealer.Raytheon is a conglomerate: a bunch of individual companies that are glued together by concrete. Most of them sell mostly to the government. Some of them sell arms.
Since they split Raymarine off, and Raytheon Electron Devices is falling on hard times, we could probably say most of them sell arms.
Raytheon Space and Intelligence, which is the specific company that sponsored the convention, is absolutely an arms dealer.
Disclaimer: I used to work for Raytheon, but for a division that did not sell arms.
Raytheon is a conglomerate: a bunch of individual companies that are glued together by concrete. Most of them sell mostly to the government. Some of them sell arms.
On 12/24/2021 11:50 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Raytheon is a conglomerate: a bunch of individual companies that are glued together by concrete. Most of them sell mostly to the government. Some of them sell arms.Raytheon Intelligence and Space was the Raytheon Company which bought a hucksters table and for provided the sponsorship. Judge for yourself:
https://www.raytheonintelligenceandspace.com/capabilities
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