• AITG

    From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 4 22:00:23 2021
    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke
    to the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's
    no emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running.
    At least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Dec 4 15:03:56 2021
    On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 5:00:25 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke
    to the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's
    no emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running.
    At least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?


    Not to me, but in Virginia Beach, 5 years ago, it bothered some.

    https://www.wtkr.com/2016/12/19/santa-gets-pulled-over-in-virginia-beach/#ooid=NmOGRlODE6jJL8GhSPck4rAIPIyVjWsT

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?
    --

    Some folks thought the cops a little Grinchy.

    If VBPD was correct , you may have been in the right, technically.

    Was that your local FD's truck? Is this a case of public employees
    breaking the law when the private sector has to obey it?

    Have you checked to see if your heart has gone down a size or two? :)

    The VFD in the town directly east of mine does Santa runs, as
    announced on their website:

    https://www.orangevfd.org/

    Did your local FD give any warning that they'd be doing this?
    The Virginia Beach elves advertised.

    I live a quarter mile walk from a fire station, and closer
    as the crow flies. I hear sirens quite a bit.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sat Dec 4 17:59:03 2021
    On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 22:00:23 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas >decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke
    to the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's
    no emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running.
    At least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?

    Do sirens have volume settings?

    As to whether it's illegal, IANAL, but I doubt it, based on police
    vehicles chirping their sirens to get through traffic lights.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Dec 5 10:07:57 2021
    On 12/4/21 5:00 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke
    to the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's
    no emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running.
    At least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    When I was living in Kingston, NH, a fire truck would come into our
    quiet, dead-end road every year with siren blaring, lots of lights, and
    a guy in a Santa suit. This was directly in front of the town forest, so
    it must have scared a lot of wildlife.

    I've moved since then; we'll see if the Plaistow fire department pulls
    the same kind of stuff.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sun Dec 5 10:11:41 2021
    On 12/4/21 8:59 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    As to whether it's illegal, IANAL, but I doubt it, based on police
    vehicles chirping their sirens to get through traffic lights.

    Why do you think that's legal?

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Mon Dec 6 08:38:22 2021
    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:00:23 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke to
    the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's no emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running. At
    least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?

    I was once startled by the blast of a fire truck approaching
    some block party or something -- I don't recall exactly -- that
    was populated by lots of children. This led to the inference that
    if kids loved it, it must be OK.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Mon Dec 6 09:47:01 2021
    On 12/6/2021 2:38 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:00:23 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas
    decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke to
    the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's no
    emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running. At
    least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?

    I was once startled by the blast of a fire truck approaching
    some block party or something -- I don't recall exactly -- that
    was populated by lots of children. This led to the inference that
    if kids loved it, it must be OK.


    Yes. During the lock down drive-by birthday (and other) parties were
    popular in many places including here. Cars were decked out and would
    drive through the neighborhood honking. Sometimes, like for the 8-year
    old returning home from the hospital in remission or the 100th birthday,
    police and/or emergency vehicles would join them with the sirens going intermittently.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Jay E. Morris on Mon Dec 6 13:31:39 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-5, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 12/6/2021 2:38 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:00:23 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas
    decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke to
    the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's no
    emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running. At
    least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?

    I was once startled by the blast of a fire truck approaching
    some block party or something -- I don't recall exactly -- that
    was populated by lots of children. This led to the inference that
    if kids loved it, it must be OK.

    Yes. During the lock down drive-by birthday (and other) parties were
    popular in many places including here. Cars were decked out and would
    drive through the neighborhood honking. Sometimes, like for the 8-year
    old returning home from the hospital in remission or the 100th birthday, police and/or emergency vehicles would join them with the sirens going intermittently.

    I moved into a house on the Connecticut shoreline about a dozen years ago.
    It was situated on a residential street that connected the village green and its commercial district with US Hwy 1, another commercial street, aka "the
    Post Road." One August Saturday morning I was blasted out of bed by fire engine sirens that would not stop. It was the "Engine 260 Antique Fire Apparatus Show and Muster," and a motorcade of equipment traveled a 45-
    minute route through town, ending at a local park north of the Post Rd,
    maybe a mile from my house on the same street. I had no idea that was on
    that morning!


    This was the house that caught fire a few years later, forcing me to move.
    I didn't mind the fire engines that night!

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to kevrob@my-deja.com on Tue Dec 7 02:16:51 2021
    In article <7109eec8-88e5-4c54-8773-ac67e488cee2n@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-5, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 12/6/2021 2:38 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:00:23 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Am I the Grinch? (AITG)

    As I was walking home yesterday, a firetruck turned on its siren full
    blast just as they were slowly passing me. My ears were ringing for
    over an hour.

    It stopped a little ways ahead of me. It was covered with Christmas
    decorations, Santa was in it, and it I could faintly hear that it was
    playing Christmas tunes. There was obviously no emergency. I spoke to
    the driver, and asked him to please not use the siren when there's no
    emergency, as it can cause permanent hearing damage to nearby
    pedestrians. He replied, but I couldn't hear what he said. A few
    minutes later it passed me again, with the siren once again running. At >> >> least this time I had time to cover my ears.

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    So, am I the Grinch, or were they acting unreasonably and illegally?

    I was once startled by the blast of a fire truck approaching
    some block party or something -- I don't recall exactly -- that
    was populated by lots of children. This led to the inference that
    if kids loved it, it must be OK.

    Yes. During the lock down drive-by birthday (and other) parties were
    popular in many places including here. Cars were decked out and would
    drive through the neighborhood honking. Sometimes, like for the 8-year
    old returning home from the hospital in remission or the 100th birthday,
    police and/or emergency vehicles would join them with the sirens going
    intermittently.

    I moved into a house on the Connecticut shoreline about a dozen years ago.
    It was situated on a residential street that connected the village green and >its commercial district with US Hwy 1, another commercial street, aka "the >Post Road." One August Saturday morning I was blasted out of bed by fire >engine sirens that would not stop. It was the "Engine 260 Antique Fire >Apparatus Show and Muster," and a motorcade of equipment traveled a 45- >minute route through town, ending at a local park north of the Post Rd,
    maybe a mile from my house on the same street. I had no idea that was on >that morning!


    This was the house that caught fire a few years later, forcing me to move.
    I didn't mind the fire engines that night!

    We used to attend the Solano Stroll (held along the main drag of
    Albany, California, a small town embedded in the huge SF Bay Area
    metropolis), handing out earthquake preparedness stuff. The fire
    department handled CERT training, so they'd bring a fire engine
    along. They did not run it up and down Solano with its siren on*;
    they parked it near our table and let the little kids play on it.
    _____
    *Indeed, they couldn't have; Solano was blocked off from traffic
    for the day and crowded with pedestrians.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Dec 7 05:17:21 2021
    On 12/5/21 10:07 AM, Gary McGath wrote:

    When I was living in Kingston, NH, a fire truck would come into our
    quiet, dead-end road every year with siren blaring, lots of lights, and
    a guy in a Santa suit. This was directly in front of the town forest, so
    it must have scared a lot of wildlife.

    I neglected to mention that they did this well after dark, so the main
    effect on kids was to wake them up.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Dec 7 12:32:21 2021
    On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 5:18:45 AM UTC-5, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 12/5/21 10:07 AM, Gary McGath wrote:

    When I was living in Kingston, NH, a fire truck would come into our
    quiet, dead-end road every year with siren blaring, lots of lights, and
    a guy in a Santa suit. This was directly in front of the town forest, so
    it must have scared a lot of wildlife.

    I neglected to mention that they did this well after dark, so the main
    effect on kids was to wake them up.
    --

    I note you made your first report on the Eve of St Nicholas, on which
    night he should arrive by ship! Kingston may be too far inland for that.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Tue Dec 7 18:07:39 2021
    On 12/7/21 3:32 PM, Kevrob wrote:

    I note you made your first report on the Eve of St Nicholas, on which
    night he should arrive by ship! Kingston may be too far inland for that.


    Does he arrive at all seaports on the same night? (That should be well
    within the ability of someone with the Santa Claus superpower.) If so,
    it would have been an easy drive to Portsmouth or Gloucester to see him.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Wed Dec 8 02:00:54 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Kevrob wrote:
    I note you made your first report on the Eve of St Nicholas, on
    which night he should arrive by ship! Kingston may be too far
    inland for that.

    Does he arrive at all seaports on the same night? (That should be
    well within the ability of someone with the Santa Claus superpower.)
    If so, it would have been an easy drive to Portsmouth or Gloucester
    to see him.

    Most people who believe in him are too young to drive.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Dec 7 20:17:28 2021
    On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 9:00:56 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Kevrob wrote:
    I note you made your first report on the Eve of St Nicholas, on
    which night he should arrive by ship! Kingston may be too far
    inland for that.

    Does he arrive at all seaports on the same night? (That should be
    well within the ability of someone with the Santa Claus superpower.)
    If so, it would have been an easy drive to Portsmouth or Gloucester
    to see him.
    Most people who believe in him are too young to drive.
    --

    But not too young to nag their parents to take
    them to see the old bishop and his ship!

    --
    Kevin R

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