• Warning for Virginia libertarians

    From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 18:07:08 2021
    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for Liberation
    Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her website: https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sat Oct 30 20:15:20 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for Liberation
    Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her website: >https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.

    That made interesting reading.

    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of the proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare sections.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair laughing!

    Alan "Political non-euclidean" Woodford

    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to alan@thewoodfords.uk on Sat Oct 30 12:56:01 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:15:20 +0100, Alan Woodford
    <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" ><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for Liberation
    Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her website: >>https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.

    That made interesting reading.

    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of the >proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the UK's >Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare sections.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK Tories are >extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair laughing!

    Alan "Political non-euclidean" Woodford

    The Greying Lensman

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the right
    of most European conservatives, so that what are internationally
    recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are seen in America as
    extreme left.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Alan Woodford on Sat Oct 30 13:07:15 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 3:15:23 PM UTC-4, Alan Woodford wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for Liberation
    Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her website: >https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.
    That made interesting reading.


    [quote]

    “We believe the identification of ‘L’ for Libertarian has long been used in Virginia and voters understand
    that ‘L’ officially represents a vote for the Libertarian Party,” Joe Paschal, the chair of the Libertarian Party
    of Virginia, wrote in response. “We believe it would be unfair to ask our party to change the ballot
    identification of ‘L’ after spending years establishing this familiarity with voters. As such, we request ‘L’ for
    the Libertarian Party on all ballots in Virginia.”

    [/quote]

    https://www.virginiamercury.com/blog-va/libertarian-vs-liberation-creates-third-party-conundrum-on-virginia-ballots/

    In New York the Libertarian Party 's ....

    [quote]

    ...name was changed to the "Free Libertarian Party" when the New York Board of Elections ruled that the name
    Libertarian Party would confuse voters with the Liberal Party of New York. However, the Board of Elections eventually
    allowed the name "Libertarian Party" to be used. The Statue of Liberty is their ballot symbol, and they now appear on
    the ballot as the Libertarian Party.

    [/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_of_New_York#History

    Reaching back to 1970, there was almost a New York "Conservation Party." NY is one of
    the few US states that allows fusion, or "cross-endorsement" by more than one party.

    [quote]

    The next to file, the State Department certified, was the Conservation party. This had Richard
    L. Ottinger, already a Democratic candidate, as its choice for United States Senator. Its petitions
    were knocked out in litigation on the ground the name was too close to the Conservatives'.

    [/quote]

    https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/15/archives/lineup-on-ballot-may-help-rockefeller-and-buckley.html

    James Buckley, WFB jr's "sainted brother" won that race. The seat had been held by Robert Kennedy
    before his murder, and conservative Republicans were unhappy with the liberal Republican Rockefeller
    had appointed, Charles Goodell.

    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of the proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare sections.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair laughing!


    Don't fall on yer butskell.... :)

    Different "window of discourse" here in the States, of course.

    Alan "Political non-euclidean" Woodford

    I may be "Euclidean," but I insist on more than 1 axis for my
    political map.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sat Oct 30 20:25:24 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of
    the proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the
    UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare
    sections.

    But then I also claim my name is spelled "Keith," so what do I know?

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK
    Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair
    laughing!

    According to sources I trust, the Tory party hasn't had a prime
    minister since the Duke of Wellington in 1834. But then the Peel
    principles of policing, which date to the same decade, are way too far
    left for any present-day police force in the US to accept. ("What do
    you mean we can't randomly kill people and steal all their stuff?")

    Speaking of which, that candidate's brother, a school teacher, was
    murdered by cops in Virginia. Of course the killing was ruled
    justified, on the grounds that the cops were cops, and were, as usual,
    in fear for their lives. What bravery is to soldiers, cowardice is to
    cops. It's their universal get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm surprised
    they don't give out medals for Conspicuous Cowardice in the Presence
    of the Enemy. The enemy of course being anyone they choose to kill
    because they were in fear for their lives. "He moved his hand. He
    might have been reaching for a weapon. So out of an abundance of
    caution, I shot him ten times then pressed on his windpipe until a
    medic confirmed that he was safe (i.e. dead)."

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the right
    of most European conservatives, so that what are internationally
    recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are seen in America as
    extreme left.

    Does that include the Liberation Party's position of slavery
    reparations? So what if all the victims and all the perpetrators are
    long dead? They still have a few living grandchildren, or at least great-grandchildren. If the party doesn't also favor giving all the
    land back to the Indi^H^H^H Native Americans, maybe that's because
    they have more black members than Native American members.

    Do lefties in England favor giving all the land there back to the Celts?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Sat Oct 30 20:45:30 2021
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    "We believe the identification of 'L' for Libertarian has long
    been used in Virginia and voters understand that 'L' officially
    represents a vote for the Libertarian Party," Joe Paschal, the
    chair of the Libertarian Party of Virginia, wrote in response.

    Use it or lose it. Why did they have no gubernatorial candidate on
    the ballot this year? No Libertarian candidates at all for any office
    on my district's ballot.

    I voted straight "none of the above." Write-in, of course, since NOTA
    is never given as an option. I only bothered to vote becuase there's
    also a bond issue. (I voted early, lest Republicans once again get in
    line without masks to intimidate non-Republican voters out of voting,
    as they did last year.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to tppm@ca.rr.com on Sat Oct 30 20:57:29 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the right
    of most European conservatives, so that what are internationally
    recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are seen in America as
    extreme left.

    This is pretty much the case, although the American right has been drifting farther and farther right, to the point where many of the policies promoted
    by Ronald Reagan are now seen as leftist. It is very strange.
    --scott

    --
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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Oct 30 21:50:02 2021
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
    news:slkbjp$3uo$1@panix2.panix.com:

    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the
    right of most European conservatives, so that what are
    internationally recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are
    seen in America as extreme left.

    This is pretty much the case, although the American right has
    been drifting farther and farther right, to the point where many
    of the policies promoted by Ronald Reagan are now seen as
    leftist. It is very strange. --scott

    They're being driven there by the increasingly fanatical left. How
    else would anyone who isn't insane or droolingly stupid expect them
    to react?

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Alan Woodford on Sat Oct 30 21:48:16 2021
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote in news:646rngd5bu54ijdkumjv1cucvq46llnfgn@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for
    Liberation Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her
    website: https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.

    That made interesting reading.

    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk
    of the proposals have already either been enacted or continued
    by the UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and
    Healthcare sections.

    Compared to the US, yes, they are extreme left.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK
    Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my
    chair laughing!

    Reality believes in you whether you believe in it or not.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sun Oct 31 07:17:47 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:56:01 -0700, Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:15:20 +0100, Alan Woodford
    <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" >><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There are three gubernatorial candidates listed on the Virginia
    ballot. The names are followed by D, R, and LP. But beware!
    LP doesn't stand for Libertarian Party. It stands for Liberation
    Party. That candidate is extreme left. Here is her website: >>>https://www.princessblanding.com/

    Ironically, I do agree with much of what she says about criminal
    justice reform. But not with much of anything else she says.

    That made interesting reading.

    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of the >>proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the UK's >>Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare sections.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK Tories are >>extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair laughing!

    Alan "Political non-euclidean" Woodford

    The Greying Lensman

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the right
    of most European conservatives, so that what are internationally
    recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are seen in America as
    extreme left.

    That's certainly what it looks like from here :-)

    Alan Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 07:22:50 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 21:48:16 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote in >news:646rngd5bu54ijdkumjv1cucvq46llnfgn@4ax.com:


    ---snip---


    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk
    of the proposals have already either been enacted or continued
    by the UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and
    Healthcare sections.

    Compared to the US, yes, they are extreme left.

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK
    Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my
    chair laughing!

    Reality believes in you whether you believe in it or not.


    Thunk....

    That's another dent in the floor :-)

    Alan Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sun Oct 31 07:24:31 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:25:24 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
    Kieth claims it is extreme left, but a surprisingly large chunk of
    the proposals have already either been enacted or continued by the
    UK's Conservative party - especially in the Labor and Healthcare
    sections.

    But then I also claim my name is spelled "Keith," so what do I know?


    Sorry Keith, apologies for the typo - it certainly wasn't delliberate!

    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK
    Tories are extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair
    laughing!

    According to sources I trust, the Tory party hasn't had a prime
    minister since the Duke of Wellington in 1834. But then the Peel
    principles of policing, which date to the same decade, are way too far
    left for any present-day police force in the US to accept. ("What do
    you mean we can't randomly kill people and steal all their stuff?")


    It may come as a shock to you, but our Conservative party are still referred
    to informally as the Tories, even by themselves...

    But of course, your sources -must- be more reliable than the actual Conservative party themselves, mustn't they?


    Speaking of which, that candidate's brother, a school teacher, was
    murdered by cops in Virginia. Of course the killing was ruled
    justified, on the grounds that the cops were cops, and were, as usual,
    in fear for their lives. What bravery is to soldiers, cowardice is to
    cops. It's their universal get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm surprised
    they don't give out medals for Conspicuous Cowardice in the Presence
    of the Enemy. The enemy of course being anyone they choose to kill
    because they were in fear for their lives. "He moved his hand. He
    might have been reaching for a weapon. So out of an abundance of
    caution, I shot him ten times then pressed on his windpipe until a
    medic confirmed that he was safe (i.e. dead)."

    I've long heard that the American left wing is slightly to the right
    of most European conservatives, so that what are internationally
    recognized as moderate or centrist policies, are seen in America as
    extreme left.

    Does that include the Liberation Party's position of slavery
    reparations? So what if all the victims and all the perpetrators are
    long dead? They still have a few living grandchildren, or at least >great-grandchildren. If the party doesn't also favor giving all the
    land back to the Indi^H^H^H Native Americans, maybe that's because
    they have more black members than Native American members.

    Do lefties in England favor giving all the land there back to the Celts?

    You'd have to ask a leftie - by our standards I'm nowhere near being one!

    Alan Woodford

    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Oct 31 05:18:13 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
    "We believe the identification of 'L' for Libertarian has long
    been used in Virginia and voters understand that 'L' officially
    represents a vote for the Libertarian Party," Joe Paschal, the
    chair of the Libertarian Party of Virginia, wrote in response.
    Use it or lose it. Why did they have no gubernatorial candidate on
    the ballot this year? No Libertarian candidates at all for any office
    on my district's ballot.

    I voted straight "none of the above." Write-in, of course, since NOTA
    is never given as an option. I only bothered to vote becuase there's
    also a bond issue. (I voted early, lest Republicans once again get in
    line without masks to intimidate non-Republican voters out of voting,
    as they did last year.)
    --

    Candidate recruitment for the LP - excuse me, the "L" - is a major butt
    pain. Getting someone to volunteer to have their name on the ballot
    at all is one hurdle. Petitioning is another. One also has to decide
    how much, if at all, the candidate will campaign. People who can handle themselves in front of the potential voters and the media can be found,
    but most won't want to make the commitment of time to travel their
    state or district. Fundraising is another roadblock.

    One can be a "paper candidate," and not campaign. There will still be
    an official record that you hold libertarian views, which might be uncomfortable
    for people in their business or personal lives. I've known some capable holders of non-partisan, local offices who could not, in their opinion, step up to run in a partisan election or just would not, preferring to stay where they could
    actually get elected. One town councilman I knew told me that not only had the Libertarians been after him to run for, to give one example, US House but that the local Dems and Reps had also tried to recruit him. This was in Wisconsin,
    which does not have voter registration by party.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Sun Oct 31 12:53:33 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 3:15:23 PM UTC-4, Alan Woodford wrote:
    If anyone is going to seriously try and convince me that the UK Tories are >> extreme left, I reserve the right to fall off my chair laughing!


    Don't fall on yer butskell.... :)

    Different "window of discourse" here in the States, of course.


    Oh I get that most of our Conservatives would be very much centrists over there, but the idea that anyone could claim the party of "The Iron Lady" is extreme left would have her spinning in her grave :-)

    Alan "Political non-euclidean" Woodford

    I may be "Euclidean," but I insist on more than 1 axis for my
    political map.

    I suspect that most people do, if they pause to think about it!

    Alan Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Nov 2 06:59:57 2021
    On 10/30/21 4:25 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Does that include the Liberation Party's position of slavery
    reparations? So what if all the victims and all the perpetrators are
    long dead? They still have a few living grandchildren, or at least great-grandchildren. If the party doesn't also favor giving all the
    land back to the Indi^H^H^H Native Americans, maybe that's because
    they have more black members than Native American members.

    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of white rapists.
    Should they be giving or receiving reparations?

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sat Nov 6 18:33:15 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of white
    rapists. Should they be giving or receiving reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them owes
    himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The government will
    charge each such transaction a modest 5% processing fee.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sat Nov 6 13:32:32 2021
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of white
    rapists. Should they be giving or receiving reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them owes
    himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The government will
    charge each such transaction a modest 5% processing fee.

    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since, by
    virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to decline.

    Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is entirely, actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not allowed to
    decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape, because one party
    is not allowed to consent.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to merri...@gmail.com on Sat Nov 6 19:15:15 2021
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4, merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of white
    rapists. Should they be giving or receiving reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them owes >himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The government will >charge each such transaction a modest 5% processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since, by
    virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is entirely, actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not allowed to decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape, because one party
    is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews reparations for
    their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    Pt

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Sun Nov 7 04:55:58 2021
    On 11/6/21 10:15 PM, Peter Trei wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4, merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of white
    rapists. Should they be giving or receiving reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them owes
    himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The government will
    charge each such transaction a modest 5% processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since, by
    virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is entirely,
    actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not allowed to
    decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape, because one party
    is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews reparations for
    their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    It's been estimated that there are 16 million descendants of Genghis
    Khan. They owe reparations, or are owed them, or both.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Mon Nov 8 16:02:15 2021
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in news:83b89275-4d3b-4086-9015-b3be33b69328n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4,
    merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of
    white rapists. Should they be giving or receiving
    reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them
    owes himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The
    government will charge each such transaction a modest 5%
    processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since,
    by virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to
    decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is
    enti
    rely,
    actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not
    allowed to decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape,
    because one party is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews reparations
    for their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    And what about the descendants of the African kings (and their
    warriors who did the dirty work) who sold black slaves to white
    Europeans in the first place? Who do they owe reparations to?

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Mon Nov 8 17:24:20 2021
    On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 16:02:15 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in >news:83b89275-4d3b-4086-9015-b3be33b69328n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4,
    merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of
    white rapists. Should they be giving or receiving
    reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them
    owes himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The
    government will charge each such transaction a modest 5%
    processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since,
    by virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to
    decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is
    enti
    rely,
    actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not
    allowed to decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape,
    because one party is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews reparations
    for their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    And what about the descendants of the African kings (and their
    warriors who did the dirty work) who sold black slaves to white
    Europeans in the first place? Who do they owe reparations to?

    Or the Romans to, well, just about everyone who wasn't Roman, but in particular, I was thinking of the Celts/Gauls.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Tue Nov 9 04:40:12 2021
    In article <XnsADDCA324C5057taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
    Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in >news:83b89275-4d3b-4086-9015-b3be33b69328n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4,
    merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of
    white rapists. Should they be giving or receiving
    reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of them
    owes himself or herself at least ten million dollars. The
    government will charge each such transaction a modest 5%
    processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their raped
    parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent, since,
    by virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't allowed to
    decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship is
    enti
    rely,
    actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not
    allowed to decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape,
    because one party is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews reparations
    for their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    And what about the descendants of the African kings (and their
    warriors who did the dirty work) who sold black slaves to white
    Europeans in the first place? Who do they owe reparations to?

    Good question, and one for which I have no answer. Enough time
    passed may constitute a _de facto_ statute of limitations, if not
    _de jure._

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Nov 9 07:03:34 2021
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:r2AFn0.1Hx4@kithrup.com:

    In article <XnsADDCA324C5057taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
    Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:83b89275-4d3b-4086-9015-b3be33b69328n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:32:34 PM UTC-4,
    merri...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 18:33:15 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Many descendants of black slaves are also descendants of
    white rapists. Should they be giving or receiving
    reparations?

    Yes to both. With 156 years of compound interest, each of
    them owes himself or herself at least ten million dollars.
    The government will charge each such transaction a modest 5%
    processing fee.
    Is a child of rape owed reparations for the rape of their
    raped parent?*†

    *In the case of slavery, it doesn't matter which parent,
    since, by virtue of the slavery, the enslaved party isn't
    allowed to decline.

    †Also, by virtue of the slavery, even if the relationship
    is enti
    rely,
    actually, consensual, it's rape, because one party is not
    allowed to decline. Just as sex with a minor is always rape,
    because one party is not allowed to consent.

    How far back do you want to.go? Do Africans owe Jews
    reparations for their captivity in Kemet (Egypt)?

    And what about the descendants of the African kings (and their
    warriors who did the dirty work) who sold black slaves to white
    Europeans in the first place? Who do they owe reparations to?

    Good question, and one for which I have no answer. Enough time
    passed may constitute a _de facto_ statute of limitations, if
    not _de jure._

    And that is a 100% chance that those who see reparations as
    anything other the theft from people who actually work for a
    living will choose a cutoff point that involves stealing from
    white people to give to not-white people.

    You *know* I'm right.

    The left are *far* more racist than the right.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sat Nov 13 21:29:54 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    It's been estimated that there are 16 million descendants of Genghis
    Khan. They owe reparations, or are owed them, or both.

    Are you sure it's so few? I'd heard that nearly all Asians alive
    today are descendants of his. That's plausible, since he lived 800
    years ago. That's 30 or 40 generations, and 2^30 is more than a
    billion. Probably almost everyone who lived that long ago either
    has millions of living descentants or none at all.

    Since people have only about 25,000 genes, most of your ancestors more
    than 16 generations back contributed no genes to you. I recently
    learned that this is called a ghost ancestor.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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