• Re: AKICIF: Capitalization Question

    From Ben Yalow@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Oct 27 23:51:04 2024
    In <vflqat$gk79$1@dont-email.me> "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> writes:

    I know there are lots of (punctuation and grammar) style geeks here, so
    maybe someone can tell me:

    Has the use of Microsoft Word, LibreOffice, and others changed the rules
    of capitalization for (e.g.) titles of shorter works? It used to be
    that one would capitalize all the words except non-leading articles and >longer prepositions. (At least that's how I learned it.) So it would
    be "Devil in a Blue Dress", but "The Man Without a Country".

    Now when you're using a word-processing app, and ask for capitalization,
    it capitalizes every word, e.g., "Devil In A Blue Dress", and "The Man >Without A Country".

    Has any style manual endorsed this, or do I need to keep tweaking all my >transformations?

    I haven't seen any style manual that does this. But different style
    manuals have different capitalization rules for titlees (so Chicago and
    Words Into Type, for example, are close, but not identical -- although
    your "Devil" and "The" examples are correct in both of those.

    If it's for your publication, pick a style manual. If it's for someone
    else's, follow theirs.

    Ben
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Mon Oct 28 12:11:00 2024
    In article <vflqat$gk79$1@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:


    Now when you're using a word-processing app, and ask for
    capitalization, it capitalizes every word, e.g., "Devil In A Blue
    Dress", and "The Man Without A Country".

    I recall back in 2005 when I was Hugo administrator, we listed the film
    "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow" with "The" capitalised. Someone
    said that was wrong but we said it was what the film's publicity had it
    listed as. However, I now see that there is no capitalisation in the
    IMDb listing.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Tue Oct 29 11:30:00 2024
    In article <vfof04$12onm$1@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    The IMDb and the film's posters (or the title card) do not always
    agree. The current cover art/poster has "the" in lower case, but a
    search of images shows some art with either capitalization, or "the"
    in the same size font as the major words, while "and" and "of" are in
    smaller type.

    Incidentally, the Wikipedia article about the film suggest The World of Tomorrow is a nod towards the 1939 World Fair. Presumably that was why
    "The" was capitalised.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Wed Oct 30 08:52:48 2024
    On 10/27/2024 9:38 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    I know there are lots of (punctuation and grammar) style geeks here, so
    maybe someone can tell me:

    Has the use of Microsoft Word, LibreOffice, and others changed the rules
    of capitalization for (e.g.) titles of shorter works?  It used to be
    that one would capitalize all the words except non-leading articles and longer prepositions.  (At least that's how I learned it.)  So it would
    be "Devil in a Blue Dress", but "The Man Without a Country".

    Now when you're using a word-processing app, and ask for capitalization,
    it capitalizes every word, e.g., "Devil In A Blue Dress", and "The Man Without A Country".

    Has any style manual endorsed this, or do I need to keep tweaking all my transformations?


    IMHO the rules haven't changed, and the algorithms used by various
    grammar checkers get it wrong by capitalizing every word.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Oct 30 09:01:49 2024
    On 10/28/2024 5:11 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <vflqat$gk79$1@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:


    Now when you're using a word-processing app, and ask for
    capitalization, it capitalizes every word, e.g., "Devil In A Blue
    Dress", and "The Man Without A Country".

    I recall back in 2005 when I was Hugo administrator, we listed the film
    "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow" with "The" capitalized. Someone
    said that was wrong but we said it was what the film's publicity had it listed as. However, I now see that there is no capitalization in the
    IMDb listing.

    IMHO, whether the "The" is capitalized there depends on how the title is parsed. If it's two phrases "Sky Captain" and "The World of Tomorrow"
    merged then the "The" is capitalized, OTOH if it's one phrase, "Sky
    Captain and the World of Tomorrow", possibly with a comma after
    "Captain", then it's not.

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