• Independence Day

    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 18:58:29 2024
    This evening, for the first time this year, I saw the word
    "independence" in connection with the festivities. It was on my
    husband's calendar.

    The word most commonly used to indicate that an event is connected to
    the Fourth of July is "firecracker". The special sandwich at
    Jimmy-John's this week is a "firecracker wrap". (Submarine fillings
    wrapped in a red tortilla. (Orange, actually, since the natural color
    of a tortilla is yellow.))

    There were a few references to "the nation's birthday" even though the
    actual start of the nation was on March 4, 1789. Up until then, we
    had been free and independent states.

    Guy Fawkes Day is a similar bonfires-and-fireworks holiday, and I
    wondered whether it had undergone a similar shift -- until I realized
    that even a yank can recite "I see no reason/why gunpowder
    treason/should ever be forgot".

    Of course, there is a direct connection to fireworks.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Jul 5 02:49:16 2024
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
    There were a few references to "the nation's birthday" even though
    the actual start of the nation was on March 4, 1789. Up until then,
    we had been free and independent states.

    It was called the United States from 1776.

    ObSF: L. Neil Smith's novels set in an alternate United States in
    which the current constitution was never adopted and its authors
    had been hanged as traitors. Their charter had been to update the
    Articles of Confederation, not to overthrow them.

    Guy Fawkes Day is a similar bonfires-and-fireworks holiday, and
    I wondered whether it had undergone a similar shift -- until I
    realized that even a yank can recite "I see no reason/why gunpowder treason/should ever be forgot".

    An attempted assassination of a king seems an odd thing to celebrate.

    I'll be in Buffalo for the NASFiC. I wonder if there's any memorial
    or museum to the presidential assassination that happened there.
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Fri Jul 5 12:50:00 2024
    In article <v67mvb$1hf$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    An attempted assassination of a king seems an odd thing to celebrate.

    It was much to do with celebrating the failure of a Catholic plot against
    a Protestant monarch.

    I'll be in Buffalo for the NASFiC. I wonder if there's any memorial
    or museum to the presidential assassination that happened there.

    Stephen Sondheim wrote a good song about it.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Jul 5 12:31:33 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <v67mvb$1hf$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. >Lynch) wrote:


    An attempted assassination of a king seems an odd thing to celebrate.

    It was much to do with celebrating the failure of a Catholic plot against
    a Protestant monarch.

    I'll be in Buffalo for the NASFiC. I wonder if there's any memorial
    or museum to the presidential assassination that happened there.

    Stephen Sondheim wrote a good song about it.

    It's okay.
    It's not HALF as good as "From Buffalo To Washington" though.
    --scott
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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Jul 5 06:15:06 2024
    On 7/4/2024 3:58 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    Orange, actually, since the natural color
    of a tortilla is yellow.

    Not tortillas made with red corn?

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    Tim Merrigan


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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Jul 5 19:04:50 2024
    On 7/4/24 10:49 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I'll be in Buffalo for the NASFiC. I wonder if there's any memorial
    or museum to the presidential assassination that happened there.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/william-mckinley-assassination-plaque

    "The site of William McKinley's tragic assassination is only marked by
    an underwhelming boulder."

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jul 16 23:29:03 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I'll be in Buffalo for the NASFiC. I wonder if there's any memorial
    or museum to the presidential assassination that happened there.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/william-mckinley-assassination-plaque

    "The site of William McKinley's tragic assassination is only marked by
    an underwhelming boulder."

    True, but I've since learned that there is a large McKinley memorial
    in Buffalo. It's an obelisk in a traffic circle. And it's almost right
    next door to the con hotel.

    I've also learned that I should have gotten a ticket to the Exchange
    Street station, which is less than a mile from the con, not to the
    Depew station, which is ten miles away. Sigh.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Jul 18 19:22:42 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    I've also learned that I should have gotten a ticket to the Exchange
    Street station, which is less than a mile from the con, not to the
    Depew station, which is ten miles away. Sigh.

    That is the main benefit of taking the train, that you can make last-minute changes for little or no added cost. It is only one stop farther on
    the empire line.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jul 19 00:53:21 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    I've also learned that I should have gotten a ticket to the Exchange
    Street station, which is less than a mile from the con, not to the
    Depew station, which is ten miles away. Sigh.

    That is the main benefit of taking the train, that you can make last-minute changes for little or no added cost. It is only one stop farther on
    the empire line.

    They told me they would charge $35 to make the change. Instead of paying
    it, I just stayed on board until the next station. After doing so, I told
    the person who was was checking tickets, and asked him if I could board for
    my return trip at the same station. He said I could. I guess I'll find out.

    I'm living dangerously, and posting from the NASFiC.

    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jul 19 11:57:30 2024
    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    I've also learned that I should have gotten a ticket to the Exchange
    Street station, which is less than a mile from the con, not to the
    Depew station, which is ten miles away. Sigh.

    That is the main benefit of taking the train, that you can make last-minute changes for little or no added cost. It is only one stop farther on
    the empire line.
    --scott


    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized
    man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps
    a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train. After dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 13:07:15 2024
    D wrote:


    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    That is the main benefit of taking the train, that you can
    make last-minute changes for little or no added cost. It is
    only one stop farther on the empire line.

    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a
    civilized man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the
    beautiful scenery, perhaps a light dinner in the michelin star
    restaurang section of the train. After dinner, why not enjoy a
    game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Not those sleeper train things though. We all know what happens
    on them during the night, the train gets caught in a snow drift
    and somebody gets murdered... so they're a dangerous way to
    travel.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Jul 19 13:18:09 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized
    man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps
    a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train.

    I brought my own food, since I know that train food is overpriced. Also, the dining car was closed most of the time.

    The scenery is nice, but I can't look at it long without wrecking my neck, since it's always on the same side. The trains were quite full, so I couldn't change sides every few minutes.

    This NASFiC is of course on con standard time, so nothing is going on before
    10 am, which is why at the moment I'm wasting my time on the Internet instead of participating.

    The hotel has an Internet station, which is nice. But it doesn't have clocks in the sleeping rooms, or exhaust vents in the sleeping rooms' bathrooms.
    I did figure out how to get the time from the room's TV. And some rooms
    (not mine) face a nearby clock tower.
    --
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    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Jul 19 14:41:23 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized
    man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps
    a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train. After >dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Jul 19 16:21:00 2024
    In article <8ee16417-f7ce-4a9e-cae0-e53ac5edea7e@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a
    civilized man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful
    scenery, perhaps a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang
    section of the train. After dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge
    with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Indeed. I've just booked my train to go to the Eurocon in Rotterdam next month.

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jul 19 20:01:08 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized >>man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps
    a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train. After >>dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.

    The primary problem in the US is that you get to enjoy the scenery for days
    at a time. My wife and her siblings took a train from Chicago to LA to celebrate her brother's birthday. They really enjoyed it, but they had
    sleeper cabins that cost around $1k per person (one way). Coach is closer to $200, but I'm too old to spend two days with no bed (and no privacy).
    They did say the food was excellent (although not Michelin starred). I'm
    not sure if anyone was up for bridge.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Jul 19 23:06:38 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized
    man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps >> a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train.

    I brought my own food, since I know that train food is overpriced. Also, the dining car was closed most of the time.

    The scenery is nice, but I can't look at it long without wrecking my neck, since it's always on the same side. The trains were quite full, so I couldn't
    change sides every few minutes.

    This NASFiC is of course on con standard time, so nothing is going on before 10 am, which is why at the moment I'm wasting my time on the Internet instead of participating.

    The hotel has an Internet station, which is nice. But it doesn't have clocks in the sleeping rooms, or exhaust vents in the sleeping rooms' bathrooms.
    I did figure out how to get the time from the room's TV. And some rooms
    (not mine) face a nearby clock tower.


    Sorry to hear that! =( But don't you have a wrist watch? I have one, and
    it enables me to find out the time and date instantly. The battery also
    lasts 5 years or so without a change! =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jul 19 23:09:51 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized
    man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps
    a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train. After >> dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.
    --scott


    Well, to be honest, not much in europe as well. ;) The trains run late,
    break down, the food is crappy, they are expensive and unreliable. And
    this is from a swedish point of view.

    There are some exceptions here and there though... like this one:

    https://www.blataget.com/sv/history/

    If I had the time and opportunity, I would definitely try it!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jul 19 23:05:20 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    That is the main benefit of taking the train, that you can
    make last-minute changes for little or no added cost. It is
    only one stop farther on the empire line.

    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a
    civilized man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the
    beautiful scenery, perhaps a light dinner in the michelin star
    restaurang section of the train. After dinner, why not enjoy a
    game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Not those sleeper train things though. We all know what happens
    on them during the night, the train gets caught in a snow drift
    and somebody gets murdered... so they're a dangerous way to
    travel.


    True, forgot about that!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Fri Jul 19 23:13:05 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Another advantage with the train is that you can travel like a civilized >>> man! The train rolling along, you enjoying the beautiful scenery, perhaps >>> a light dinner in the michelin star restaurang section of the train. After >>> dinner, why not enjoy a game of bridge with your fellow passengers? ;)

    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give >> the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.

    The primary problem in the US is that you get to enjoy the scenery for days at a time. My wife and her siblings took a train from Chicago to LA to celebrate her brother's birthday. They really enjoyed it, but they had sleeper cabins that cost around $1k per person (one way). Coach is closer to $200, but I'm too old to spend two days with no bed (and no privacy).
    They did say the food was excellent (although not Michelin starred). I'm
    not sure if anyone was up for bridge.

    Robert

    Reminds me of an acquaintance who took the train from Minsk to Sotji in
    2:nd class and I think it took 2 days, and there was very little privacy.
    It was dirt cheap though!

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Jul 19 22:40:12 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Also, the dining car was closed most of the time.

    I've since realized that this was probably due to the worldwide "CrowdStrike" update oopsie that made nearly all credit card processing stop working.

    A couple years ago I realized that KeithLynch.net had stopped accepting all email
    from verizon.net users. Last week I learned that gmail.com had stopped accepting
    all email from KeithLynch.net.

    Our civilization is increasingly fragile. It may be doomed.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Jul 20 16:10:01 2024
    On 20/07/2024 08:40, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Also, the dining car was closed most of the time.

    I've since realized that this was probably due to the worldwide "CrowdStrike" update oopsie that made nearly all credit card processing stop working.

    A couple years ago I realized that KeithLynch.net had stopped accepting all email
    from verizon.net users. Last week I learned that gmail.com had stopped accepting
    all email from KeithLynch.net.

    Our civilization is increasingly fragile. It may be doomed.

    Just set up a sensible SPF value for keithlynch.net and 97% of your
    problems will go away.

    Use a responsible email forwarder, such as SMTP2go or (maybe) sendgrid,
    and do the SPF thing, and most of the last 3% go away as well.

    I've been using the free SMTP2go service for my domain(s) for a while,
    and it all seems to just work.

    Stuff sent from this email address now gets handled by Mailroute. :-)

    Ah, sometimes postfix makes fiddling with email handling a pleasure!
    (It's amazing what you learn when you RTFM!!!) ;-)

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Jul 20 11:51:38 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Also, the dining car was closed most of the time.

    I've since realized that this was probably due to the worldwide "CrowdStrike" update oopsie that made nearly all credit card processing stop working.

    A couple years ago I realized that KeithLynch.net had stopped accepting all email
    from verizon.net users. Last week I learned that gmail.com had stopped accepting
    all email from KeithLynch.net.

    Our civilization is increasingly fragile. It may be doomed.


    That reminds me of this classic:

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dependency_2x.png .

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Jul 21 17:19:36 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give >> the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.

    Well, to be honest, not much in europe as well. ;) The trains run late,
    break down, the food is crappy, they are expensive and unreliable. And
    this is from a swedish point of view.

    You should try Amtrak. I thought the Swedish trains were excellent,
    actually. And as a fan of free markets, I would think you would applaud
    the fact that SJ now has actual competition on a number of routes. I
    recently did Stockholm to Valberg on MTRX and I was pretty impressed that
    I could just walk in and get a ticket and go.

    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I would like, because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to
    accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in NYC
    because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to accomodate the freight lines schedule. The less said about the food the better. Everything had to be scheduled well in advance since the Buffalo-NYC leg
    fills up completely well beforehand.

    In Europe when the trains are filled up they usually just add more cars on
    and increase capacity for one trip up and one back. Amtrak does not have enough cars to meet demand as it is, let alone keep spare capacity for
    demand peaks. Don't even think about holidays.
    --scott

    There are some exceptions here and there though... like this one:

    https://www.blataget.com/sv/history/

    If I had the time and opportunity, I would definitely try it!



    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jul 21 20:14:59 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I
    would like,

    I didn't know you were here. Why didn't you say hello?

    because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in
    NYC because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to accomodate the freight lines schedule.

    Same here, except that I'm leaving tomorrow morning. That way I can help
    with teardown and loading. I just finished demolishing the art show.

    The less said about the food the better.

    I'm bringing my own food.

    Everything had to be scheduled well in advance since the Buffalo-NYC leg fills up completely well beforehand.

    Again, I just hope they will allow me to board at the "wrong" Buffalo
    station, rather than the one the Amtrak website defaulted me to without mentioning that there was another one that was actually *in* the city rather than in an outer suburb.
    --
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    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Jul 21 21:01:33 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I
    would like,

    I didn't know you were here. Why didn't you say hello?

    I did! I shared several elevators with you and always said hello!

    because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to
    accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in
    NYC because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to
    accomodate the freight lines schedule.

    Same here, except that I'm leaving tomorrow morning. That way I can help >with teardown and loading. I just finished demolishing the art show.

    You have far more choices than I do. You are restricted on when you can
    get a train to NYC but once you are there, there are trains along the
    Northeast Corridor to take you to DC at any time of day or night.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jul 21 23:32:27 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I
    would like,

    I didn't know you were here. Why didn't you say hello?

    I did! I shared several elevators with you and always said hello!

    The world is a small place! I remember when I said hello to a guy in NY
    who I only met on IRC about 25 years ago. If did feel quite surreal
    somehow.

    because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to
    accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in
    NYC because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to
    accomodate the freight lines schedule.

    Same here, except that I'm leaving tomorrow morning. That way I can help
    with teardown and loading. I just finished demolishing the art show.

    You have far more choices than I do. You are restricted on when you can
    get a train to NYC but once you are there, there are trains along the Northeast Corridor to take you to DC at any time of day or night.
    --scott




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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jul 21 23:31:10 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Sadly much of this does not happen in the US although I will definitely give
    the trip to Buffalo a thumbs up for beautiful scenery.

    Well, to be honest, not much in europe as well. ;) The trains run late,
    break down, the food is crappy, they are expensive and unreliable. And
    this is from a swedish point of view.

    You should try Amtrak. I thought the Swedish trains were excellent, actually. And as a fan of free markets, I would think you would applaud
    the fact that SJ now has actual competition on a number of routes. I recently did Stockholm to Valberg on MTRX and I was pretty impressed that
    I could just walk in and get a ticket and go.

    There is a small amount of free market, yes, but the tracks are public,
    and so is SJ.

    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I would like,
    because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in NYC because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to accomodate the freight lines schedule. The less said about the food the better. Everything had to be scheduled well in advance since the Buffalo-NYC leg fills up completely well beforehand.

    I have now contrasted this and come to the conclusion that despite its
    faults, if things in the US are like you say they are, the swedish trains
    are way better. Yes, delays and breakdowns, but nothing close to what you describe.

    Also, you are right about the tickets. Buy one and off you go. Not very complicated at all.

    In Europe when the trains are filled up they usually just add more cars on and increase capacity for one trip up and one back. Amtrak does not have enough cars to meet demand as it is, let alone keep spare capacity for
    demand peaks. Don't even think about holidays.
    --scott

    I had no idea that the US system was so bad. Once I took the train from NY
    to Boston in autumn and it was a lovely experience, but it must have been
    23 years ago. Maybe things worked better then? Or maybe I was just lucky. Regardless, I enjoyed it!

    There are some exceptions here and there though... like this one:

    https://www.blataget.com/sv/history/

    If I had the time and opportunity, I would definitely try it!





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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Mon Jul 22 11:58:00 2024
    In article <v7jq83$rs$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
    Lynch) wrote:


    Again, I just hope they will allow me to board at the "wrong" Buffalo station, rather than the one the Amtrak website defaulted me to
    without
    mentioning that there was another one that was actually *in* the city
    rather
    than in an outer suburb.

    When I was travelling around Italy a few years ago, I realised my ticket
    from Florence to Rome gave a suburban station. I asked the ticket
    inspector about this and was told my ticket was valid to any Rome station.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Jul 22 11:58:00 2024
    In article <d52824f2-a579-119d-fac4-85c645f3d5c9@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    There is a small amount of free market, yes, but the tracks are
    public, and so is SJ.

    The new government in the UK announced in the King's speech last week
    that they are planning to re-nationalise the railways. Let's see how
    that goes.

    Privatising industries in the UK seems to have always been about making
    more money for the very rich and not for giving a service. The
    water-supply industry is much in the news lately for how the companies
    have been fined huge amounts for discharging sewage into the rivers and
    yet still giving their executives huge bonuses.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Jul 22 12:47:17 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Kludge writes:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I would like,
    because all the Buffalo-to-NYC trains are in the morning in order to
    accomodate the freight line schedule.... and then wait overnight in NYC
    because the two daily trains to my hometown are also scheduled to accomodate >> the freight lines schedule. The less said about the food the better.
    Everything had to be scheduled well in advance since the Buffalo-NYC leg
    fills up completely well beforehand.

    I have now contrasted this and come to the conclusion that despite its >faults, if things in the US are like you say they are, the swedish trains
    are way better. Yes, delays and breakdowns, but nothing close to what you >describe.

    Most of the issue there is because the tracks are privately held and the
    cars and stations are publicly-owned and the organizations don't get
    along well. So we get issues from both piled on top of one another.

    In Europe when the trains are filled up they usually just add more cars on >> and increase capacity for one trip up and one back. Amtrak does not have
    enough cars to meet demand as it is, let alone keep spare capacity for
    demand peaks. Don't even think about holidays.

    I had no idea that the US system was so bad. Once I took the train from NY
    to Boston in autumn and it was a lovely experience, but it must have been
    23 years ago. Maybe things worked better then? Or maybe I was just lucky. >Regardless, I enjoyed it!

    I do still like it, and going north-south on the coasts is pretty good.
    The good news is that the DC-Boston route is publicly-owned track, so
    the trains are usually on time. The problems come when you are coming
    from Pittsburgh, say, and get stuck behind a freight train and get
    behind schedule. Then when you get into DC to change trains, you miss
    the connector. Or my situation, where I am in southern Virginia and
    if I can make it to DC in time on the CSX freight tracks, everything is
    fine. But if I am late coming into DC then it screws their schedule
    up and we wind up waiting behind other passenger trains for a slot to
    continue north.

    So general rule is north-south is good and east-west is bad.

    Amtrak buys trains from Europe but because the tracks are graded and
    configured for freight, they wind up having to pay a lot for design modifications to accomodate the tracks. Those modifications do not
    always perform as planned. The freight companies have no motivation
    to change their tracks for passenger service.

    There are some exceptions here and there though... like this one:

    https://www.blataget.com/sv/history/

    If I had the time and opportunity, I would definitely try it!

    We do have a few historic railways in the US, all privately owned and
    some of which have some pretty peculiar rolling stock. This looks like
    a fun trip though!
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jul 22 23:37:38 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    I have now contrasted this and come to the conclusion that despite its
    faults, if things in the US are like you say they are, the swedish trains
    are way better. Yes, delays and breakdowns, but nothing close to what you
    describe.

    Most of the issue there is because the tracks are privately held and the
    cars and stations are publicly-owned and the organizations don't get
    along well. So we get issues from both piled on top of one another.

    Interesting, so the opposite of sweden with private trains of public
    tracks. Stations are public though. It terms of getting along, I think
    the worst break down is the subway and commuter trains in stockholm
    where the train operator was private and the rest public, and they
    definitely do _not_ like each other. Since I don't live in sweden any
    longer I haven't followed it, but I think both felt the other cheated on
    the contract and there was lots of pie throwing.

    In Europe when the trains are filled up they usually just add more cars on >>> and increase capacity for one trip up and one back. Amtrak does not have >>> enough cars to meet demand as it is, let alone keep spare capacity for
    demand peaks. Don't even think about holidays.

    I had no idea that the US system was so bad. Once I took the train from NY >> to Boston in autumn and it was a lovely experience, but it must have been
    23 years ago. Maybe things worked better then? Or maybe I was just lucky.
    Regardless, I enjoyed it!

    I do still like it, and going north-south on the coasts is pretty good.
    The good news is that the DC-Boston route is publicly-owned track, so
    the trains are usually on time. The problems come when you are coming
    from Pittsburgh, say, and get stuck behind a freight train and get
    behind schedule. Then when you get into DC to change trains, you miss
    the connector. Or my situation, where I am in southern Virginia and
    if I can make it to DC in time on the CSX freight tracks, everything is
    fine. But if I am late coming into DC then it screws their schedule
    up and we wind up waiting behind other passenger trains for a slot to continue north.

    So general rule is north-south is good and east-west is bad.

    This is very good. If I ever travel to the US again, I'll make a note to
    add a north/south train ride in order not to have to drive (which I do
    not like) and not an east/west train ride.

    Amtrak buys trains from Europe but because the tracks are graded and configured for freight, they wind up having to pay a lot for design modifications to accomodate the tracks. Those modifications do not
    always perform as planned. The freight companies have no motivation
    to change their tracks for passenger service.

    If memory serves, I think that sweden has a different track width
    compared with the rest of europe. This makes international travel with
    train from sweden to europe a bit more painful, since you need to change
    in denmark. But this could be something I've dreamed. I'd say I'm 60%
    sure.

    There are some exceptions here and there though... like this one:

    https://www.blataget.com/sv/history/

    If I had the time and opportunity, I would definitely try it!

    We do have a few historic railways in the US, all privately owned and
    some of which have some pretty peculiar rolling stock. This looks like
    a fun trip though!

    Yes, a colleague tried it and said he recommended it! On a similar note,
    there are some nice day trips around Stockholm with boat.

    https://www.stromma.com/sv-se/stockholm/utflykter/dagsutflykter/drottningholm/

    Highly recommended (on a nice and sunny day)!

    --scott


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  • From D@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Mon Jul 22 23:31:14 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jul 2024, Paul Dormer wrote:

    In article <d52824f2-a579-119d-fac4-85c645f3d5c9@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    There is a small amount of free market, yes, but the tracks are
    public, and so is SJ.

    The new government in the UK announced in the King's speech last week
    that they are planning to re-nationalise the railways. Let's see how
    that goes.

    Privatising industries in the UK seems to have always been about making
    more money for the very rich and not for giving a service. The
    water-supply industry is much in the news lately for how the companies
    have been fined huge amounts for discharging sewage into the rivers and
    yet still giving their executives huge bonuses.


    Interesting! For a fan of the market like me, I will follow this
    experiment closely.

    Sweden has a mixed track record of privatization. TV, phones and
    pharmacies are roaring success stories!

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Jul 23 06:02:06 2024
    On 7/21/24 5:01 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than I
    would like,

    I didn't know you were here. Why didn't you say hello?

    I did! I shared several elevators with you and always said hello!


    This has been a running gag in real life over multiple cons. Somehow
    Keith has a blind spot for your face, I guess. Early in the con I ran
    into Keith and you a few minutes apart and asked if he'd recognized you,
    and you said he didn't.

    Being moderately face-blind myself, I'm not going to laugh at the
    running gag.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Jul 23 11:58:00 2024
    In article <b5e6e0d1-08f5-4acb-8ba2-64bc3a993bbb@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Sweden has a mixed track record of privatization. TV, phones and
    pharmacies are roaring success stories!

    BT, the privately owned telecomms company has just been fined for failing
    to connect emergency call:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr4zkq1kkwo


    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised electricity generation and supply industry. National Grid ran the
    electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons. In the rail companies, there
    was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure. In 2001 it ran into financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    As the National Grid was the electricity equivalent of Railtrack, the
    Grid examined what had gone wrong. It seems they thought that cutting
    down on track maintenance meant they'd have more money to pay share
    dividends. The result was delays, leading to fines, leading to more
    cutting back on maintenance. A downward spiral.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 11:58:00 2024
    In article <v7nv2u$15dhc$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    Being moderately face-blind myself, I'm not going to laugh at the
    running gag.

    Tell me about it! Back when I was still working, I introduced myself to
    one of our clients three times before he said, "Yes, we've already met."

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Jul 23 09:40:32 2024
    On 7/23/24 6:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised electricity generation and supply industry. National Grid ran the electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons. In the rail companies, there
    was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure. In 2001 it ran into financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea if
    it's related.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jul 23 16:42:35 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024, Gary McGath wrote:

    On 7/23/24 6:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised
    electricity generation and supply industry. National Grid ran the
    electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons. In the rail companies, there
    was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure. In 2001 it ran into
    financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea if it's related.



    In sweden the politicians privatized electric grid companies. I think the result in Stockholm can be left as an exercise for the reader (I don't
    know about the results in other parts of the country).

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Jul 23 16:41:29 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024, Paul Dormer wrote:

    In article <a55f05b3-e580-eb1f-e9c4-8d9eaa6e6fb2@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:

    If memory serves, I think that sweden has a different track width
    compared with the rest of europe. This makes international travel with
    train from sweden to europe a bit more painful, since you need to
    change
    in denmark. But this could be something I've dreamed. I'd say I'm 60%
    sure.

    Certainly, the three times I've travelled to Stockholm, I've had to
    change trains in Copenhagen, but no great difficulty.

    Alas, the last time, going the Helsinki Worldcon, the train from Hamburg
    to Copenhagen was delayed and I spent a couple of hours on Malmo station. Then, coming back I again missed a connection at Copenhagen and the next train didn't leave until about 23:00. I got into Hamburg about five in
    the morning, it was just getting light but my hotel had kept my
    reservation open, so I got some sleep before my train to Cologne.


    Another nice stockholm/helsinki option is to take the ferry. Very cheap,
    and good price on food and alcohol too due to some weird legal EU
    exception.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 17:01:00 2024
    In article <v7obsh$17ldh$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea
    if it's related.

    Used to be. I remember this happening when I was still working. Don't
    know if they are still connected.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Jul 23 17:01:00 2024
    In article <6fd963b2-ed0e-e10d-01a5-046b14806299@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Another nice stockholm/helsinki option is to take the ferry. Very
    cheap, and good price on food and alcohol too due to some weird legal
    EU exception.

    Well, yes, that's what I did. London to Cologne, Cologne to Hamburg,
    Hamburg to Stockholm, Stockholm to Helsinki.

    Nice trip, but my cabin was below the car deck and I'm sure they were
    rolling around above during the night. When I got to my hotel room, I
    spent a couple of hours sleeping. (Finnish hotel room curtains are very
    good at blacking out the light.)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Jul 23 22:22:50 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024, Paul Dormer wrote:

    In article <6fd963b2-ed0e-e10d-01a5-046b14806299@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Another nice stockholm/helsinki option is to take the ferry. Very
    cheap, and good price on food and alcohol too due to some weird legal
    EU exception.

    Well, yes, that's what I did. London to Cologne, Cologne to Hamburg,
    Hamburg to Stockholm, Stockholm to Helsinki.

    Nice trip, but my cabin was below the car deck and I'm sure they were
    rolling around above during the night. When I got to my hotel room, I
    spent a couple of hours sleeping. (Finnish hotel room curtains are very
    good at blacking out the light.)


    Sorry to hear that. Oh yes, due to the very bright summers, good curtains
    are essential up north!

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Jul 24 03:19:51 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Again, I just hope they will allow me to board at the "wrong"
    Buffalo station, rather than the one the Amtrak website defaulted me
    to without mentioning that there was another one that was actually
    *in* the city rather than in an outer suburb.

    I left the con hotel on foot for the Exchange Street Station at 7:30
    on Monday morning, arriving there at 7:50. A woman who was mopping
    the floor immediately asked me why I was there. She turned out to be
    the station attendant, and the only person present. When I told her
    I was catching the train to New York, she said I was extremely early.
    When I showed her my ticket, she pointed out that it says I would
    board at the Depew Station. I said I knew that, but that I thought
    I'd be allowed to board here instead. One of the employees when I got
    off the train there on Thursday told me I would.

    She then said that it wasn't a matter of permissions, but because
    that train doesn't pass though that station. The train I had taken
    there continued on to Toronto, but the train I was hoping to catch to
    return was coming from Chicago, and doesn't pass through that station.
    There would be no train to New York through that station until that
    afternoon, and I didn't have a ticket for that one, and of course I'd
    miss my connections.

    She said there's no way to get to Depew by public transit in time.
    She suggested I call an Uber. I asked her to do so for me. She said
    I needed to do it from my own cell phone. She offered to call a taxi
    for me. I agreed, and she did so.

    While I was waiting outside for the taxi, a woman approached me and
    asked if this was where she could catch the Flixbus, which I knew to
    be another intercity bus line. I said I didn't know, but suspected
    she needed to catch it at the bus terminal. (Coincidentally, I had
    walked a different woman from the con to the bus terminal the previous
    day, to catch a CoachUSA bus.) But I suggested she ask the station
    attendant. She did so, and came out and said I was right, and started
    rapidly walking in the correct direction.

    The taxi arrived and got me to Depew with five minutes to spare.
    It cost $50 including tip.

    The train arrived at Penn Station at 6:45, having taken nearly ten
    hours for a trip that never left the state of New York. Since it was
    still daylight and I had plenty of time before my next train, I walked
    to Times Square. On the way, I noticed a Macy's. I checked what
    street it's on. Sure enough it was on 34th Street, just like in the
    77 year old movie. I went inside and looked around, but it didn't
    seem to sell anything but clothing.

    Times Square felt like I had walked into a website without using an
    ad blocker. I was able to confirm that it's a myth that that narrow
    building with all the advertising screens is otherwise empty. I don't
    know what may be upstairs, but the ground floor has an Olive Garden
    restaurant.

    There were lots of people there taking lots of photos. At first I
    tried to stay out of their photos, until I realized that showing how
    crowded it was was the whole *point* of those photos. I wore my mask,
    which I seldom still do outdoors.

    I got back to Penn Station before dark. It couldn't have been more
    different from the Exchange Street station. It filled at least two
    large city blocks, and is several levels tall, with Madison Square
    Garden on top. There appears to be just one drinking fountain in
    the whole place, but there was surprisingly no line for it. I guess
    nobody but me still drinks tap water. Like DC's Union Station, there
    were lots of stores in it, and the layout is non-intuitive. It would
    make a good backdrop for a video game.

    As with countless con hotels and convention centers, Fairfax Hospital
    (where I visited my mother and Marilee Layman, sometimes on the same
    visit), and Toronto's PATH, I quickly learned my way around. Perhaps
    I was a rat in a previous life. I bought the day's New York Times
    for $4.

    The next train I took went to Philadelphia, where everyone continuing
    south had to transfer to a bus. The ticket had indeed said that.
    What it didn't say was that it would be impossible to either read or
    sleep on the bus. The driver told us that the bathroom light was out
    and we should use our cell phones to light our way. I of course don't
    have a cell phone. I correctly figured I could hold out for long
    enough. Especially since there was also a strong unpleasant chemical
    odor in the back of the bus, presumably from the bathroom.

    The bus pulled into DC's Union Station at 3:30 am Monday, as
    scheduled. Surprisingly, it didn't enter the bus bay at the top
    of the station, but just dropped everyone off by the front door.
    I and at least a dozen other people approached the guard by the only
    unlocked door. He asked to see my ticket. I showed it to him. He
    said it didn't count, since my trip was over. I told him that my trip continued with a ride on Metrorail. He said that nobody could enter
    unless they had a ticket for an Amtrak train that leaves within two
    hours. I told him I urgently needed to use the toilet. He told me I
    could urinate against the building. I told him I needed to do more
    than that. He said it wasn't his problem.

    Fortunately, I am very familiar with the layout of that station. I
    walked up the bus ramp, which was out of the guard's field of view.
    That put me in the intercity bus station at the top of Union Station.
    Several passengers were waiting for buses there. I tried to use
    the bathroom, but it was locked. A guard kept me from entering the
    station proper until I told him that I urgently needed to use a toilet
    and that one in the bus area was locked. So he let me in. I promptly
    went to the nearest toilet, then to a drinking fountain, then to the
    well-lit waiting area. As I remembered, a sign said it was only
    for ticketed Amtrak, MARC, and VRE passengers, and that there was a
    two-hour limit. That was why I was willing to accept a bus that would
    get me there at 3:30 am -- because I know Metro starts running at 5:15
    am, less than two hours later. (MARC and VRE are regional "commuter"
    rail lines. Amtrak is nationwide in the US.)

    So I sat there and read the New York Times like a civilized human
    being. There were maybe a dozen passengers there, and they were
    spread out enough that I didn't bother to wear my mask. (I wore it
    on every bus and train, and wherever it was crowded, except at the
    con where I didn't wear it at all.)

    There were guards there, but they only asked one person for his
    ticket, and that was because he was sleeping. Or maybe because he was
    Sleeping While Black. He had a ticket, so they reluctantly left him
    alone. I then told him (the passenger, not the guard) how I had been
    treated and how I had to sneak in. He suggested I write to Eleanor
    Holmes Norton. I recognized that as the name of DC's non-voting
    congressional representative, so I told him I'm not a DC resident.
    He suggested I write to her anyway. He told me she was his aunt.

    As an aside, my ticket, for which I asked for and received the
    senior rate, said I have to show a current government-issued ID.
    Fortunately, nobody anywhere on my trip demanded that. Not in the
    stations, not in the trains, not when registering for the con, not
    when registering for a (shared) room at the con hotel. When the hotel
    person asked to see it, I showed her my con badge. She asked if I had
    anything else. I told her I would show her my Medicare card, but only
    if she agreed to give me a senior discount. She just laughed, and
    gave me the room key. (I did have ID, but it's long expired. But my
    birthday hasn't changed since it was issued.)

    I got home at 6:35 am by Metro followed by a half-hour walk on the new
    I-66 parallel trail, which I had to myself. That was early enough
    that I didn't need to wear my hat. I then stripped, showered, shaved,
    and slept.

    As an aside, the reason Union Station had that name has nothing to do
    with the winning side of the Civil War or with the labor movement.
    It's because it's a place for multiple railroads, and later also
    multiple bus routes, to meet, and for passengers of all of them to
    be treated equally.

    Any suggestions who I should complain to about the door guard not
    letting me in, and what I should ask them for? Or does anyone think
    I was treated reasonably? Thanks.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Jul 24 11:22:12 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Again, I just hope they will allow me to board at the "wrong"
    Buffalo station, rather than the one the Amtrak website defaulted me
    to without mentioning that there was another one that was actually
    *in* the city rather than in an outer suburb.

    I left the con hotel on foot for the Exchange Street Station at 7:30
    ...
    Any suggestions who I should complain to about the door guard not
    letting me in, and what I should ask them for? Or does anyone think
    I was treated reasonably? Thanks.

    Interesting reading, thank you for the post. 3 questions...

    1. How come you don't have a phone, and how do you overcome the
    difficulties that creates? I don't have a smart phone but I do have a
    regular phone and it does create problems for me. I either suffer
    through it, or find someone with a smart phone who can help me.

    2. Do you always read the print newspaper? When travelling I buy print newspapers, but I've noticed that people on planes increasingly just use
    their phones. Another trend I noticed is that people play videos and
    games with the sound on, which I found annoying. When I complain, they
    find me annoying. ;)

    3. How do you live without an ID? I would love that. When travelling by
    plane I manage to fly without ID about 40% of the time within the EU, but
    60% it ends up as a huge argument and I do have to show my passport.

    As for the guard I suspect there is nothing legal you can do. But if you
    have the time and energy I guess you could always write a complaint to
    the station and ask that they teach their guards to be more civilized.
    In my opinion, people who are drawn to that profession enjoy bullying
    people, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jul 24 11:13:00 2024
    In article <9e418bfd-d6be-23de-4401-8ecacedce380@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Sorry to hear that. Oh yes, due to the very bright summers, good
    curtains are essential up north!

    I grew up in the north of England and according to the internet, the
    latest sunset in Newton Aycliffe this year was 21:46. (In comparison,
    here in Guildford it was 21:22.)

    Helsinki this year, sunset 22:50. I went to Archipelacon in Mariehamn
    back in June 2015. Mariehamn is on the Aland islands, a good way west of Helsinki. I remember walking back to my hotel around eleven o'clock at
    night and the sun was in my eyes.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Jul 24 22:44:58 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Paul Dormer wrote:

    In article <9e418bfd-d6be-23de-4401-8ecacedce380@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:


    Sorry to hear that. Oh yes, due to the very bright summers, good
    curtains are essential up north!

    I grew up in the north of England and according to the internet, the
    latest sunset in Newton Aycliffe this year was 21:46. (In comparison,
    here in Guildford it was 21:22.)

    Helsinki this year, sunset 22:50. I went to Archipelacon in Mariehamn
    back in June 2015. Mariehamn is on the Aland islands, a good way west of Helsinki. I remember walking back to my hotel around eleven o'clock at
    night and the sun was in my eyes.


    Yes, this tends to happen in the summer, and they dearly paid for during
    the dark winters. ;)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Jul 24 23:11:25 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <6fd963b2-ed0e-e10d-01a5-046b14806299@example.net>, >nospam@example.net (D) wrote:

    Another nice stockholm/helsinki option is to take the ferry. Very
    cheap, and good price on food and alcohol too due to some weird legal
    EU exception.

    Well, yes, that's what I did. London to Cologne, Cologne to Hamburg,
    Hamburg to Stockholm, Stockholm to Helsinki.

    I looked at taking the train from Stockholm to Helsinki and it's kind of possible (although there is a short bus trip in the middle) but of course involves going up very far north and coming back down. It's not a short
    trip although it looks like it might be fun in the summer.

    It, or the ferry, would have been a much better plan than my flight from Stockholm to Helsinki through London, which was the only flight I could
    get because there was a Finland-Sweden hockey match taking place at the
    time and all seats everywhere were booked. I did make it to Helsinki
    but my luggage all remained in London.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Jul 24 23:16:03 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    The train arrived at Penn Station at 6:45, having taken nearly ten
    hours for a trip that never left the state of New York. Since it was
    still daylight and I had plenty of time before my next train, I walked
    to Times Square. On the way, I noticed a Macy's. I checked what
    street it's on. Sure enough it was on 34th Street, just like in the
    77 year old movie. I went inside and looked around, but it didn't
    seem to sell anything but clothing.

    Did you take the wooden escalator? It is worth the visit.

    Times Square felt like I had walked into a website without using an
    ad blocker. I was able to confirm that it's a myth that that narrow
    building with all the advertising screens is otherwise empty. I don't
    know what may be upstairs, but the ground floor has an Olive Garden >restaurant.

    If you look around you can imagine you are in a Philip K. Dick novel.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Jul 24 23:55:27 2024
    In article <v7s1vj$qt9$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    The train arrived at Penn Station at 6:45, having taken nearly ten
    hours for a trip that never left the state of New York. Since it was
    still daylight and I had plenty of time before my next train, I walked
    to Times Square. On the way, I noticed a Macy's. I checked what
    street it's on. Sure enough it was on 34th Street, just like in the
    77 year old movie. I went inside and looked around, but it didn't
    seem to sell anything but clothing.

    Did you take the wooden escalator? It is worth the visit.

    [Hal Heydt]
    During WW2, my mother made window displays for that Macy's.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Dorsey on Thu Jul 25 12:35:00 2024
    In article <v7s1vj$qt9$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:


    Did you take the wooden escalator? It is worth the visit.

    Incidentally, all wooden escalators were removed from the London
    Underground following the 1987 King's Cross fire. Smoking was still
    allowed on the underground then and someone dropped a lit match.

    The TV series Secrets of the London Underground reported on the sole
    remaining wooden escalator on the underground recently. It isn't
    accessible to the public.

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  • From Torbjorn Lindgren@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Jul 25 15:50:47 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jul 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Amtrak buys trains from Europe but because the tracks are graded and
    configured for freight, they wind up having to pay a lot for design
    modifications to accomodate the tracks. Those modifications do not
    always perform as planned. The freight companies have no motivation
    to change their tracks for passenger service.

    If memory serves, I think that sweden has a different track width
    compared with the rest of europe. This makes international travel with
    train from sweden to europe a bit more painful, since you need to change
    in denmark. But this could be something I've dreamed. I'd say I'm 60%
    sure.

    Nope, Sweden and Denmark uses the same track width (Standard Gauge),
    they do use different voltages and signalling but these days it's
    trivial to get triple or quad-capable trains (usually 1.5/3/15/25kV,
    or 750V/1.5/3kV). And simpler 15/25kV (and 1.5/3kV) capable trains has
    been in use for many decades.

    Denmark do have a LOT of non-electrified tracks though - basically
    it's just the mainline from Helsingor via Copenhagen to
    Padborg/Germany, the spur from Sweden to Copenhagen, the
    Lunderskov/Esbjerg line and the S-train & Metro (near and inside
    Copenhagen respectively).

    But the Sweden to Germany route do use electrified lines, changing
    voltage and signalling twice - if they use the land route, as opposed
    to the ferry route which include a ferry changeover between Denmark
    and Germany - I assume this will go away too once the new Fehmarn Belt
    fixed link is done.

    The Sweden to Denmark transition is done in the tunnel at full speed
    and no one even notice, I don't know how the Denmark to Germany
    transition is handled but there's no technical reason why it couldn't
    be seamless as well. The trains have been been running over the
    Oresund bridge+tunnel since 2000 so I expect they're probably "only"
    15/25kV models.

    Perhaps you're thinking of Finland, they DO have a different track
    width [3] from the rest of Europe. It's similar to what Russia uses
    (shows it's origins) but the width was modified so that Finish train
    can work on Russian tracks but NOT the other way around (they're a bit
    paranoid about Russia, for good reasons). And they use 25kV @ 50Hz
    while Russia is 3kV, they probably considered that difference a bonus
    too (old Russian transports definitely wouldn't be multi-voltage
    capable!).

    IIRC Spain has gauge-changing trains (changing requires a slow section
    for the change over) so the Sweden to Finland gauge change could have
    been bridged without a train change but I think Sweden/Finland handle
    passenger traffic via "deboard on train, board another". It's not THAT
    much passenger traffic near or above the polar circle.


    More technical details for those that want those:

    Basically modern trains mostly doesn't care that much about the type
    of electricity they run on except the available traction power may be
    different (affects top speed and acceleration), and the signalling
    side is mostly a question of which of the available signalling card
    have you installed. It used to be a big thing though.

    Sweden uses the same 15kV @ 16.7Hz [1] that Germany, Austria and
    Switzerland uses. Denmark was very late at electrification so they use
    the newer 25kV [2] system used in France and various other countries.


    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_kV_AC_railway_electrification
    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_kV_AC_railway_electrification
    3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_gauge

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Thu Jul 25 12:37:38 2024
    On 7/23/2024 6:40 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 7/23/24 6:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised
    electricity generation and supply industry.  National Grid ran the
    electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons.  In the rail companies, there
    was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure.  In 2001 it ran into
    financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea if
    it's related.


    I've heard that there are three national level electricity grids in the
    U.S., East of the Rockies, West of the the Rockies, and Texas, I don't
    know whether any of them are called "The National Grid".
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan


    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
    www.avg.com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Thu Jul 25 20:02:43 2024
    On 7/25/24 3:37 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 6:40 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 7/23/24 6:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised
    electricity generation and supply industry.  National Grid ran the
    electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons.  In the rail companies, there >>> was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure.  In 2001 it ran into >>> financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea
    if it's related.


    I've heard that there are three national level electricity grids in the
    U.S., East of the Rockies, West of the the Rockies, and Texas, I don't
    know whether any of them are called "The National Grid".

    The word "national" occurs in many business names in the US, and it
    denotes only ambition, not size or distribution. The US power supplier
    National Grid operates only in the Northeast.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 11:52:00 2024
    In article <v7up33$2gfv2$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:

    The word "national" occurs in many business names in the US, and it
    denotes only ambition, not size or distribution. The US power
    supplier National Grid operates only in the Northeast.

    And National Grid US is so called because it is owned by National Grid
    plc in the UK.

    It's 20 years since I worked for the Grid and I had to go back to check,
    but National Grid plc owns the grid infrastructure in England and Wales.
    Two other companies own the grid infrastructure in Scotland but National
    Grid plc still controls it.

    The Wikipedia article on the National Grid refers to the control centre
    at St. Catherine's Lodge, near Wokingham. I worked there for a couple of
    years and there was obviously a bit of confusion about the place with the
    local population due to the security there. In summer, I used to walk
    back to Wokingham station and had to cross a football field. Some local
    lads were having a kick-about and one shouted at me, "You work at St. Catherine's Lodge, don't you. What do they really do there? We know
    it's not electricity"

    However, there was a secret emergency control centre not far away. The
    company headquarters were in Coventry and people from headquarters often
    took the train to nearby Reading and then got a taxi. On one occasion, a
    grid high-up got in a taxi and asked for the National Grid.

    "Do you want the main one in Wokingham?" he was asked, "Or the secret one no-one knows about?"

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  • From Torbjorn Lindgren@21:1/5 to tppm@rr.ca.com on Fri Jul 26 11:42:31 2024
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> wrote:
    On 7/23/2024 6:40 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 7/23/24 6:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    I used to work for the National Grid, originally part of nationalised
    electricity generation and supply industry.  National Grid ran the
    electricity distribution part of the grid: the substations, overhead
    lines and towers - never call them pylons.  In the rail companies, there >>> was Railtrack which ran the railway infrastructure.  In 2001 it ran into >>> financial difficulties and was replaced by a government-owned company.

    There's a National Grid in the US which supplies electricity. No idea if
    it's related.

    National grid plc runs the UK grid and also serves consumers in NE US
    with gas and electricity. I assume they bought one or more US
    companies.


    I've heard that there are three national level electricity grids in the
    U.S., East of the Rockies, West of the the Rockies, and Texas, I don't
    know whether any of them are called "The National Grid".

    How is "Texas Interconnection" national level? It's explicitly
    DESIGNED to be Texas-only to avoid pesky federal oversight and
    "expensive" redundancy requirements. Or alternatively to make sure
    their electricity providers can get rich quick, opinions on this vary.

    The US is usually considered to have two major and three minor "wide
    area synchronous grids" (or "interconnects" in US parlance) though in
    reality it's actually two major and four minor since the "Alaska
    interconnect" is actually two completely independent parts.

    In order of size they're Easter Interconnection, Western
    Interconnection, Texas Interconnection, Quebec Interconnection and
    Alaska Interconnection (combined or separately).

    The reason why Eastern and Western is considered "major" isn't just
    that they span multiple states and countries, they're also WAY
    larger than the Texas grid (7.8x and 3.4x the size respectively). The
    jump is much larger than that from Texas to Quebec (1.9x) so putting
    it with the minors makes sense.

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_area_synchronous_grid

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Jul 26 11:30:56 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    On one occasion, a grid high-up got in a taxi and asked for the
    National Grid.

    "Do you want the main one in Wokingham?" he was asked, "Or the
    secret one no-one knows about?"

    Maxwell Smart, Agent 86: When the moon is full, the tide is high.
    Mrs. Green: You must want the spy school. That's next door.

    I knew exactly where MAE East was. That was the US east-coast center
    of the Internet. It was hidden in a non-descript parking garage's
    utility room at Tysons.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Fri Jul 26 14:25:16 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Contrast this with my leaving Buffalo NY today much earlier than
    I would like,

    I didn't know you were here. Why didn't you say hello?

    I did! I shared several elevators with you and always said hello!

    This has been a running gag in real life over multiple cons.
    Somehow Keith has a blind spot for your face, I guess. Early in the
    con I ran into Keith and you a few minutes apart and asked if he'd
    recognized you, and you said he didn't.

    Scott may have said hello to me any number of times, as lots of people
    do, but if so it was without introducing himself by name. With my
    poor eyesight, I can't usually read name badges without getting
    awkwardly close. And half the time the name badges are turned
    backwards anyway.

    So I still don't associate any particlular face with that name.
    I never have.

    But I'm skeptical that he "shared several elevators with" me. I
    seldom used elevators at NASFiC or any other con with usable stairs.
    I was on an elevator only when I was accompanying someone else or was
    moving something heavy as part of MIMO. Maybe he mistook someone else
    for me? People keep claiming they saw me at cons I didn't attend.

    Being moderately face-blind myself, I'm not going to laugh at the
    running gag.

    I don't think I'm at all face-blind. When watching movies and TV
    shows I recognize most of the actors. Which isn't to say that
    whenever a face looks familiar I know what name goes with it, or vice
    versa. And some names and some faces I know only in broad categories
    such as fans, radio hams, WSFA members, PRSFS members, or movie stars.

    (When I was WSFA's secretary, I knew all the WSFA members by name and
    by sight, but that was 20 years ago. Most of the then-members have
    since dropped out.)

    At Penn Station on the way home I recognized a fan as a fan, but
    didn't know his name or whether he had been at the NASFiC.

    At the con when registering, I wasn't asked for ID (which I was
    pleased by). I asked her why not. She said she recognized me.
    I didn't recognize her.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Jul 26 15:40:51 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    1. How come you don't have a phone, and how do you overcome the
    difficulties that creates?

    I do have a phone. It's a landline. I've had the same physical phone
    and the same phone number since the '70s. (It started as C&P, then
    Bell Atlantic, then Verizon, and is now MagicJack, a VOIP, over Cox
    cable.) I removed the bell decades ago because I was being driven
    insane by telemarketers and scammers. But callers can leave a message.
    Or, better yet, just email me.

    Digression: One of the president's official duties is to ensure that
    federal laws are enforced. If either major-party candidate were to
    say that they're ordering the FTC and the FCC to make enforcing the
    do-not-call list their top priority, and if the volume of illegal
    calls doesn't drop by a factor of 2 within 6 months and by a factor of
    4 within a year, that they will fire everyone in both agencies that
    they have the power to fire, I believe that candidate will win a few
    million more votes, which is probably enough to make a difference in
    who wins.

    Unsolicited phone calls aren't the worst federal crimes but they are
    by far the most common. Everyone is a victim multiple times per day
    unless they greatly rearrange their life to avoid it. I know someone
    who had to quit a lucrative job because it required them to answer
    their phone at all hours. They were unable to get eight consecutive
    hours of sleep thanks to scammers.

    I read a recent case in which an enormously expensive mountain rescue expedition was mounted. It turned out the climber was fine; he just
    wasn't answering his cell phone as he didn't recognize the number so
    he figured it was yet another crook.

    I don't have a smart phone but I do have a regular phone and it does
    create problems for me. I either suffer through it, or find someone
    with a smart phone who can help me.

    I've never had a cell phone. Those things are expensive to buy,
    expensive to buy service for, fragile, and quickly go obsolete,
    requiring purchase of a new one. They are tracking devices which can
    put me near a crime scene but which can't put me far away from a crime
    scene since I could have loaned it to a friend.

    I seldom travel. So far in 2024 I've been away from home only three
    times, not counting short trips on foot. When I am on foot I'm always
    at risk of being caught in a downpour, which might ruin a cell phone.

    My main complaint about my return was my not being allowed in Union
    Station, as I urgently needed to use a toilet. A cell phone wouldn't
    have helped.

    2. Do you always read the print newspaper?

    My brother subscribes to the Washington Post, so I read it too.

    3. How do you live without an ID?

    Not by choice. Like millions of Americans, I don't have the papers to
    get the papers. When Virginia was debating requiring ID for voting,
    the Washington Post estimated that that would disenfranchise half a
    million Virginians.

    Ten years ago I moved out of the increasingly expensive, run down, and
    hostile apartment I had live in for 35 years. I rented a room from a
    friend. One year ago I moved again, moving in with my with brother.
    So for the past ten years my living situation has been too informal
    for me to have the required "primary proof of Virginia residency."

    The word "undocumented" has been redefined as a synonym for what
    we're no longer allowed to call "illegal aliens," thus defining the
    far greater number of undocumented US citizens out of existence.
    Similarly, the replacement of "ex-convict" with "ex-offender" has
    defined the falsely convicted out of existence. How am I supposed
    to honestly answer the question as to whether I'm an ex-offender?

    They've been gradually requiring ID for more and more things while simultaneously making it more and more difficult to get.

    In the news recently, David O'Connor, a Tennessee man, a veteran and a
    trucker, attempted to renew his license as a new "Real ID." (Previous
    licenses were fake IDs?) He was told he didn't qualify, as his birth certificate was from Canada, and that's not in the short official
    list, even though people born in Canada of US parents, as he was, and
    as Ted Cruz was, are US citizens and always have been. So he was
    stripped of his license and his ID.

    We live in interesting times.

    As for the guard I suspect there is nothing legal you can do. But
    if you have the time and energy I guess you could always write a
    complaint to the station and ask that they teach their guards to
    be more civilized. In my opinion, people who are drawn to that
    profession enjoy bullying people, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

    I have no idea whether the guard was breaking the rules. If not, it
    is the rules that should change. It's called "Union" Station because
    it's for users of *all* railroads. Yes, even Metrorail passengers
    like me. Especially if we're in the midst of a mostly-Amtrak trip.

    Coincidentally, a couple days ago Union Station increased security
    because of nearby anti-Israel demonstrators, who were causing lots
    of vandalism. Lots of passengers missed their trains.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@mcgath.com on Fri Jul 26 15:38:30 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:

    The word "national" occurs in many business names in the US, and it
    denotes only ambition, not size or distribution. The US power supplier >National Grid operates only in the Northeast.

    Is National Bohemian beer even available outside of Baltimore?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Jul 26 18:30:46 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    1. How come you don't have a phone, and how do you overcome the
    difficulties that creates?

    I do have a phone. It's a landline. I've had the same physical phone
    and the same phone number since the '70s. (It started as C&P, then
    Bell Atlantic, then Verizon, and is now MagicJack, a VOIP, over Cox
    cable.) I removed the bell decades ago because I was being driven
    insane by telemarketers and scammers. But callers can leave a message.
    Or, better yet, just email me.

    Digression: One of the president's official duties is to ensure that
    federal laws are enforced. If either major-party candidate were to
    say that they're ordering the FTC and the FCC to make enforcing the do-not-call list their top priority, and if the volume of illegal
    calls doesn't drop by a factor of 2 within 6 months and by a factor of
    4 within a year, that they will fire everyone in both agencies that
    they have the power to fire, I believe that candidate will win a few
    million more votes, which is probably enough to make a difference in
    who wins.

    Unsolicited phone calls aren't the worst federal crimes but they are
    by far the most common. Everyone is a victim multiple times per day
    unless they greatly rearrange their life to avoid it. I know someone
    who had to quit a lucrative job because it required them to answer
    their phone at all hours. They were unable to get eight consecutive
    hours of sleep thanks to scammers.

    I read a recent case in which an enormously expensive mountain rescue expedition was mounted. It turned out the climber was fine; he just
    wasn't answering his cell phone as he didn't recognize the number so
    he figured it was yet another crook.

    I don't have a smart phone but I do have a regular phone and it does
    create problems for me. I either suffer through it, or find someone
    with a smart phone who can help me.

    I've never had a cell phone. Those things are expensive to buy,
    expensive to buy service for, fragile, and quickly go obsolete,
    requiring purchase of a new one. They are tracking devices which can
    put me near a crime scene but which can't put me far away from a crime
    scene since I could have loaned it to a friend.

    I seldom travel. So far in 2024 I've been away from home only three
    times, not counting short trips on foot. When I am on foot I'm always
    at risk of being caught in a downpour, which might ruin a cell phone.

    My main complaint about my return was my not being allowed in Union
    Station, as I urgently needed to use a toilet. A cell phone wouldn't
    have helped.

    2. Do you always read the print newspaper?

    My brother subscribes to the Washington Post, so I read it too.

    3. How do you live without an ID?

    Not by choice. Like millions of Americans, I don't have the papers to
    get the papers. When Virginia was debating requiring ID for voting,
    the Washington Post estimated that that would disenfranchise half a
    million Virginians.

    Ten years ago I moved out of the increasingly expensive, run down, and hostile apartment I had live in for 35 years. I rented a room from a
    friend. One year ago I moved again, moving in with my with brother.
    So for the past ten years my living situation has been too informal
    for me to have the required "primary proof of Virginia residency."

    The word "undocumented" has been redefined as a synonym for what
    we're no longer allowed to call "illegal aliens," thus defining the
    far greater number of undocumented US citizens out of existence.
    Similarly, the replacement of "ex-convict" with "ex-offender" has
    defined the falsely convicted out of existence. How am I supposed
    to honestly answer the question as to whether I'm an ex-offender?

    They've been gradually requiring ID for more and more things while simultaneously making it more and more difficult to get.

    In the news recently, David O'Connor, a Tennessee man, a veteran and a trucker, attempted to renew his license as a new "Real ID." (Previous licenses were fake IDs?) He was told he didn't qualify, as his birth certificate was from Canada, and that's not in the short official
    list, even though people born in Canada of US parents, as he was, and
    as Ted Cruz was, are US citizens and always have been. So he was
    stripped of his license and his ID.

    We live in interesting times.

    As for the guard I suspect there is nothing legal you can do. But
    if you have the time and energy I guess you could always write a
    complaint to the station and ask that they teach their guards to
    be more civilized. In my opinion, people who are drawn to that
    profession enjoy bullying people, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

    I have no idea whether the guard was breaking the rules. If not, it
    is the rules that should change. It's called "Union" Station because
    it's for users of *all* railroads. Yes, even Metrorail passengers
    like me. Especially if we're in the midst of a mostly-Amtrak trip.

    Coincidentally, a couple days ago Union Station increased security
    because of nearby anti-Israel demonstrators, who were causing lots
    of vandalism. Lots of passengers missed their trains.


    Thank you very much. Very interesting read!

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Jul 26 17:12:49 2024
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
    Thank you very much. Very interesting read!

    You're welcome. But would you please trim your quotes? Quoting any
    of the text is an implied claim that it's necessary to read all the
    quoted text to understand the response. So I re-read the whole thing.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Jul 28 00:05:31 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott may have said hello to me any number of times, as lots of people
    do, but if so it was without introducing himself by name. With my
    poor eyesight, I can't usually read name badges without getting
    awkwardly close. And half the time the name badges are turned
    backwards anyway.

    I'm the guy with long white hair and the Helsinki T-shirt on Saturday.
    Or a "75 years of audio engineering" shirt on Sunday. I have known
    you for thirty years now.

    If this helps:
    https://www.panix.com/~kludge/kludgelathe.jpg

    Although my hair has grown a bit since then.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jul 29 06:00:08 2024
    On 7/27/24 8:05 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott may have said hello to me any number of times, as lots of people
    do, but if so it was without introducing himself by name. With my
    poor eyesight, I can't usually read name badges without getting
    awkwardly close. And half the time the name badges are turned
    backwards anyway.

    I'm the guy with long white hair and the Helsinki T-shirt on Saturday.
    Or a "75 years of audio engineering" shirt on Sunday. I have known
    you for thirty years now.

    It wasn't white 30 years ago. How are people supposed to recognize you
    if you keep changing?

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@mcgath.com on Mon Jul 29 17:17:07 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    On 7/27/24 8:05 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott may have said hello to me any number of times, as lots of people
    do, but if so it was without introducing himself by name. With my
    poor eyesight, I can't usually read name badges without getting
    awkwardly close. And half the time the name badges are turned
    backwards anyway.

    I'm the guy with long white hair and the Helsinki T-shirt on Saturday.
    Or a "75 years of audio engineering" shirt on Sunday. I have known
    you for thirty years now.

    It wasn't white 30 years ago. How are people supposed to recognize you
    if you keep changing?

    Okay, back in the eighties I looked like this:

    http://www.panix.com/~kludge/kludge_seattle.jpg

    Just as a baseline for those who met me at the first Baltimore worldcon. --scott


    --
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