• Re: MT VOID, 04/26/24 -- Vol. 42, No. 43, Whole Number 2325

    From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Apr 28 21:05:55 2024
    On 4/28/2024 9:38 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    The Guys at "Classical Stuff You Should Know"  have gotten to
    Richard III in their seemingly endless history of the Plantagenets
    (sixteen episodes so far, by my count), and the next episode will
    presumably cover Richard's short reign and thus end the series.
    So it is time to plug TO PROVE A VILLAIN edited by Taylor
    Littleton and Robert R. Rea (MacMillan, ISBN 978-0-023-71360-6).
    This is, I believe, the go-to source for those of us who do not
    have access to the British Library and various monkish archives.
    It contains the full texts of William Shakespeare's RICHARD III
    and Josephine Tey's THE DAUGHTER OF TIME, as well as extracts from:
    - Shakespeare's "HENRY VI, PART 3)"
    - Sir Thomas More's "The History of King Richard the III"
    - Polydore Vergil's "English History"
    - the Abbey of Croyland's "Chronicle"
    - John Dolamn, Francis Seager, and Thomas Churchyard's "A Mirror
      for Magistrates"
    - Raphael Holinshed's "Chronicles"
    - Sir Francis Bacon's "History of the Reign of the Henry VII"
    - Horace Walpole's "Historic Doubts on the Life and Reign of King
      Richard the Third"
    - Charles Dickens's "A Child's History of England"
    - Clements R. Markham's "Richard III: A Doubtful Verdict Reviewed"
    - J. Dover Wilson's "A Note on Richard III"
    - A. R. Meyers's "The Character of Richard III"

    People who have read THE DAUGHTER OF TIME will find a lot of
    familiar arguments in Markham's article (and vice versa).  I
    suspect it was one of Tey's main sources.

    I have written extensive comments about the whole Richard III
    controversy in the MT VOID (09/19/16 and 08/04/23), which can be
    found at
    <http://leepers.us/evelyn/reviews/churchill.htm#englishspeaking>
    beginning with Winston Churchill's comments, which are not
    included in TO PROVE A VILLAIN, quite possibly for copyright
    reasons.


    Funny. Reading this as I'm watching a movie on Netflix, which just
    happens to be _The Lost King_

    In 2012, after having been lost for over 500 years, the remains of King
    Richard III were discovered beneath a car park in Leicester. The search
    had been orchestrated by an amateur historian, Philippa Langley, whose unrelenting research had been met with incomprehension by her friends
    and family and with skepticism by experts and academics. THE LOST KING
    is the life-affirming true story of a woman who refused to be ignored
    and who took on the country's most eminent historians, forcing them to
    think again about one of the most controversial kings in England's history.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Jay E. Morris on Mon Apr 29 07:19:29 2024
    On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:05:55 -0500, Jay E. Morris wrote:

    On 4/28/2024 9:38 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    The Guys at "Classical Stuff You Should Know"  have gotten to Richard
    III in their seemingly endless history of the Plantagenets (sixteen
    episodes so far, by my count), and the next episode will presumably
    cover Richard's short reign and thus end the series.
    So it is time to plug TO PROVE A VILLAIN edited by Taylor Littleton and
    Robert R. Rea (MacMillan, ISBN 978-0-023-71360-6). This is, I believe,
    the go-to source for those of us who do not have access to the British
    Library and various monkish archives. It contains the full texts of
    William Shakespeare's RICHARD III and Josephine Tey's THE DAUGHTER OF
    TIME, as well as extracts from:
    - Shakespeare's "HENRY VI, PART 3)"
    - Sir Thomas More's "The History of King Richard the III"
    - Polydore Vergil's "English History"
    - the Abbey of Croyland's "Chronicle"
    - John Dolamn, Francis Seager, and Thomas Churchyard's "A Mirror
      for Magistrates"
    - Raphael Holinshed's "Chronicles"
    - Sir Francis Bacon's "History of the Reign of the Henry VII"
    - Horace Walpole's "Historic Doubts on the Life and Reign of King
      Richard the Third"
    - Charles Dickens's "A Child's History of England"
    - Clements R. Markham's "Richard III: A Doubtful Verdict Reviewed" - J.
    Dover Wilson's "A Note on Richard III"
    - A. R. Meyers's "The Character of Richard III"

    People who have read THE DAUGHTER OF TIME will find a lot of familiar
    arguments in Markham's article (and vice versa).  I suspect it was one
    of Tey's main sources.

    I have written extensive comments about the whole Richard III
    controversy in the MT VOID (09/19/16 and 08/04/23), which can be found
    at <http://leepers.us/evelyn/reviews/churchill.htm#englishspeaking>
    beginning with Winston Churchill's comments, which are not included in
    TO PROVE A VILLAIN, quite possibly for copyright reasons.


    Funny. Reading this as I'm watching a movie on Netflix, which just
    happens to be _The Lost King_

    In 2012, after having been lost for over 500 years, the remains of King Richard III were discovered beneath a car park in Leicester. The search
    had been orchestrated by an amateur historian, Philippa Langley, whose unrelenting research had been met with incomprehension by her friends
    and family and with skepticism by experts and academics. THE LOST KING
    is the life-affirming true story of a woman who refused to be ignored
    and who took on the country's most eminent historians, forcing them to
    think again about one of the most controversial kings in England's
    history.


    But wait, there's more! Sunday's New York Times had an article about
    Langley and her forthcoming book questioning whether Richard III
    murdered his nephews.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Mon Apr 29 06:25:50 2024
    On 4/29/24 3:19 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    In 2012, after having been lost for over 500 years, the remains of King
    Richard III were discovered beneath a car park in Leicester. The search
    had been orchestrated by an amateur historian, Philippa Langley, whose
    unrelenting research had been met with incomprehension by her friends
    and family and with skepticism by experts and academics. THE LOST KING
    is the life-affirming true story of a woman who refused to be ignored
    and who took on the country's most eminent historians, forcing them to
    think again about one of the most controversial kings in England's
    history.

    But wait, there's more! Sunday's New York Times had an article about
    Langley and her forthcoming book questioning whether Richard III
    murdered his nephews.

    Some people insist Richard III should be played only by hunchbacks.
    However, the discovery of the skeleton showed that any slight deformity
    he had could have easily been disguised with clothing.

    Shakespeare went with the political winds, providing a very negative
    image of Richard III and a flattering one of Henry VIII.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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