• Deb Geisler -- 1957-2024

    From Michael Benveniste@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 23 10:25:06 2024
    Dr. Deborah M. Geisler (Deb) passed away today at the age of 66 after a
    long battle with lung and heart disease. She was resting comfortably
    under hospice care at home before passing.

    Deb was, at her core, a teacher. As a professor of Communication and Journalism at Suffolk University, she touched the lives of students for
    over 30 years. Deb never stopped caring profoundly about her students
    and the material she taught. She was also a science fiction fan and
    conrunner and made many friendships in that community. She was chair of Noreascon 4, the 2004 Worldcon, and volunteered her time, experience,
    and snark to many other conventions. She was also the love of my life
    -- we would have been married 33 years this October.

    Deb is survived by her sister Libby and brother Doug as well as her
    extended family.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Michael Benveniste on Sat Mar 23 11:28:32 2024
    On 3/23/24 10:25 AM, Michael Benveniste wrote:
    Dr. Deborah M. Geisler (Deb) passed away today at the age of 66 after a
    long battle with lung and heart disease.  She was resting comfortably
    under hospice care at home before passing.


    Oh, no. So sorry to hear that. It was fun working under her at the last Noreascon.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to mhb@murkyether.com on Sat Mar 23 19:28:02 2024
    In article <17bf6ae2d6b8207f$41799$3716115$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>, Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote:
    Dr. Deborah M. Geisler (Deb) passed away today at the age of 66 after a
    long battle with lung and heart disease. She was resting comfortably
    under hospice care at home before passing.

    Deb was, at her core, a teacher. As a professor of Communication and >Journalism at Suffolk University, she touched the lives of students for
    over 30 years. Deb never stopped caring profoundly about her students
    and the material she taught. She was also a science fiction fan and >conrunner and made many friendships in that community. She was chair of >Noreascon 4, the 2004 Worldcon, and volunteered her time, experience,
    and snark to many other conventions. She was also the love of my life
    -- we would have been married 33 years this October.

    Deb is survived by her sister Libby and brother Doug as well as her
    extended family.

    [Hal Heydt]
    My condolences. It's tough to lose a long term partner, no
    matter what the cause.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Michael Benveniste on Sat Mar 23 20:51:26 2024
    Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote:
    Dr. Deborah M. Geisler (Deb) passed away today at the age of 66
    after a long battle with lung and heart disease. She was resting
    comfortably under hospice care at home before passing.

    My condolences.

    She was also a science fiction fan and conrunner and made many
    friendships in that community. She was chair of Noreascon 4, the
    2004 Worldcon, ...

    I attended, volunteered at, and enjoyed that Worldcon, although I had
    been on the committee for the competing Charlotte bid.

    Thanks for posting this. Far too many people in fandom just
    disappear, and we never find out what happened to them. Many are
    alive and well, but somehow got the idea that Usenet had died.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Mar 23 17:34:54 2024
    On 3/23/24 4:51 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Thanks for posting this. Far too many people in fandom just
    disappear, and we never find out what happened to them. Many are
    alive and well, but somehow got the idea that Usenet had died.

    The Glasgow Worldcon has posted and is maintaining a list of people in
    fandom who have died since July 22, 2013.

    https://glasgow2024.org/for-members/in-memoriam/
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sun Mar 24 12:16:17 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Thanks for posting this. Far too many people in fandom just
    disappear, and we never find out what happened to them. Many are
    alive and well, but somehow got the idea that Usenet had died.

    The Glasgow Worldcon has posted and is maintaining a list of people
    in fandom who have died since July 22, 2013.

    https://glasgow2024.org/for-members/in-memoriam/

    Thanks. But that just raises (I know better than to say "begs") the
    question, how do *they* find out? If I were to die tomorrow, I don't
    think anyone would report my death to them. If you were to die
    tomorrow, would anyone report your death to them? It would obviously
    have to be someone who knew you were dead, so it couldn't be me.

    Similarly with any fan who isn't living with a fan. Or who had
    dropped out of fandom.

    When I was WSFA's secretary/archivist/historian/webmaster, I had great difficulty trying to figure out if any founding members were still
    alive. All I knew for sure was that none of them had been active in
    the club for many years. The answer appeared to be no, but with one
    of them whose email address I found, I got a reply that they had just
    died last week.
    --
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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Mar 24 10:04:01 2024
    On 3/24/24 8:16 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Thanks. But that just raises (I know better than to say "begs") the question, how do *they* find out? If I were to die tomorrow, I don't
    think anyone would report my death to them. If you were to die
    tomorrow, would anyone report your death to them? It would obviously
    have to be someone who knew you were dead, so it couldn't be me.

    Similarly with any fan who isn't living with a fan. Or who had
    dropped out of fandom.

    In today's world, I sometimes wonder if it's possible that people lie decomposing at home for months or more without anyone noticing. All
    their bills are automatically paid. They may have Social Security or
    other payments automatically going into their bank accounts, so the
    payments don't run dry.

    If I died today at home, probably no one would notice today, but I make
    some regular appearances where I'd be missed. On Tuesday, a certain
    friend would wonder why I didn't show up or answer her calls. On
    Wednesday, the library would wonder why I missed my tech help
    appointments. By the next MASSFILC meeting at the latest (I'm clerk and
    send out the announcements), suspicions would be high and someone with a
    key would come to my house. (I'm thinking of specific people but prefer
    not to name them here.) It would get out to the MASSFILC mailing list,
    and I think that would be enough for someone to submit the information
    in due course to the Glasgow list.

    The situation was somewhat like that for Ariel (Abby) Cinii. She was
    found dead at home, exact date and cause of death unknown. Some people
    checked on her when she stopped making her usual contacts.

    It can take time for the news to reach everyone, especially if you shun Facebook. I learned about filker Rilla Heslin's recent death only from
    one post on Bluesky that didn't give her last name. She's on the Glasgow
    list. I make a point of citing filk-related obituaries on my Filk News
    Mastodon account, figuring some people might not otherwise learn.

    Caution is necessary about reports, though. A few years ago a stalker
    falsely reported my death on Usenet and elsewhere, as a way to hurt my
    friends. The report had many inaccurate details, and of course I was
    around to deny it.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 24 14:28:37 2024
    Right now, there's a certain level of controversy over whether or
    not SF author Donald Kingsbury is alive or dead. A Donald Kingsbury
    definitely died, but was it the SF author?
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 24 16:09:00 2024
    In article <utpbsl$d8kn$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath)
    wrote:


    In today's world, I sometimes wonder if it's possible that people lie decomposing at home for months or more without anyone noticing. All
    their bills are automatically paid. They may have Social Security or
    other payments automatically going into their bank accounts, so the
    payments don't run dry.

    When my sister died thirty years ago, she was alone at home. It was only
    when she missed a doctor's appointment he came looking and then called
    the police. (She'd caught hepatitis on holiday the previous year and had
    had a relapse.)

    When I collapsed at home in 2021, I was able to text my sister.
    Apparently she then phoned me at the hospital and therefore knew where I
    was, but I have no memory of this at all. But no-one in fandom knew
    where I was and eventually someone contacted the other fan they knew in Guildford who came round looking for me and met my neighbour who hadn't
    seen me, so she phoned the police and found out where I was and phoned me
    in hospital.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@mcgath.com on Sun Mar 24 15:46:55 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Caution is necessary about reports, though. A few years ago a stalker
    falsely reported my death on Usenet and elsewhere, as a way to hurt my >friends. The report had many inaccurate details, and of course I was
    around to deny it.

    Are you absolutely positive that you aren't dead? For that matter, can
    I be sure that I am not? We could all be in a Sartre play, even.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Mar 24 16:59:32 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Are you absolutely positive that you aren't dead? For that matter,
    can I be sure that I am not?

    There was a movie in which the twist ending was that the protagonist
    (played by Bruce Willis) had been dead the whole time, without knowing
    it. I think I'd know it if I were dead. Err, ummm...

    We could all be in a Sartre play, even.

    A fate worse than death.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sun Mar 24 17:45:36 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    In today's world, I sometimes wonder if it's possible that people
    lie decomposing at home for months or more without anyone noticing.
    All their bills are automatically paid. They may have Social
    Security or other payments automatically going into their bank
    accounts, so the payments don't run dry.

    I recall a recent true-life horror story in which a woman who lived
    alone disappeared. Eventually her home was repossessed and auctioned
    off. Only well after the new owners moved in was it discovered that
    she had never left. She had been in the attic, part of its floor had
    collapsed under her, and she then slowly died trapped between the
    walls of the ground floor.

    I also recall a long-abandoned high-rise building in which a skeleton
    was found in an elevator. The good news was that this was in China.
    "It can't happen here." Still, I continue to use stairs wherever
    possible. I do know a guy who was trapped in an elevator for a whole
    weekend, in the US.

    These stories are almost enough to get me to buy a cell phone. Almost.

    Disappearances were of course more common in the past. Especially
    among explorers. More than a century after the Franklin Expedition
    disappeared in the arctic, some of its frozen participants were found.
    They were well-enough preserved that had they been found, not by an archaeologist but by a paramedic, he probably would have tried CPR.
    (ObSF: The TV show "The Second Hundred Years.")

    The antarctic explorer Robert Scott may have died the same day that
    the Titanic sank.

    It's been more than ten years since flight MH-370 disappeared. It
    still hasn't been found.

    Ettore Majorana, who first predicted that neutrinos weren't massless, disappeared decades before he was proven right.

    Some claim MIT's Internet pioneer Philip Agre disappeared. Others deny
    it, and claim they're in contact with him, but he's just in hiding.

    The filker Bill Wells has been a fugitive for the past seven years.
    If anyone knows where he is, they're not talking.

    Caution is necessary about reports, though. A few years ago a
    stalker falsely reported my death on Usenet and elsewhere, as a way
    to hurt my friends. The report had many inaccurate details, and of
    course I was around to deny it.

    Something similar happened to me, except it wasn't malice, but an
    honest misunderstanding. It was Keith Marshall who had died, despite
    him being much younger than me.

    And, due to his strong accent, I once misunderstood Yoji Kondo (aka
    Eric Kotani) as saying that Fred Pohl had died. He actually said
    that Fred Hoyle had died. (And now all three of them are gone.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sun Mar 24 13:24:56 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 16:59:32 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Are you absolutely positive that you aren't dead? For that matter,
    can I be sure that I am not?

    There was a movie in which the twist ending was that the protagonist
    (played by Bruce Willis) had been dead the whole time, without knowing
    it. I think I'd know it if I were dead. Err, ummm...

    That he was actually (two way) communicating with one person ("I see
    dead people.") slowed down his realization.


    We could all be in a Sartre play, even.

    A fate worse than death.
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Mon Mar 25 12:50:00 2024
    In article <utpos0$emi$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    Ettore Majorana, who first predicted that neutrinos weren't massless, disappeared decades before he was proven right.

    I just read an alternate history story about him in an old F&SF.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 25 12:50:00 2024
    In article <utpbsl$d8kn$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath)
    wrote:

    In today's world, I sometimes wonder if it's possible that people lie decomposing at home for months or more without anyone noticing.

    There was a case in Germany a few years ago of someone found dead and
    judging by the Christmas decorations and newspapers around, he'd been
    dead for many years. A neighbour said he kept himself to himself, but it turned out he'd been dead for some years before the neighbour moved in.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Mon Mar 25 10:21:45 2024
    On 3/25/24 8:50 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    There was a case in Germany a few years ago of someone found dead and
    judging by the Christmas decorations and newspapers around, he'd been
    dead for many years. A neighbour said he kept himself to himself, but it turned out he'd been dead for some years before the neighbour moved in.

    "Well, _that_ explains why he was always so quiet when I talked to him!"

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Mon Mar 25 19:38:44 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Paul Dormer wrote:
    There was a case in Germany a few years ago of someone found dead
    and judging by the Christmas decorations and newspapers around,
    he'd been dead for many years. A neighbour said he kept himself to
    himself, but it turned out he'd been dead for some years before the
    neighbour moved in.

    "Well, _that_ explains why he was always so quiet when I talked
    to him!"

    "You claim my ideas are bad, but my neighbor never disagrees
    with them."
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Eric Gillespie@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Mar 27 18:13:19 2024
    "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> writes:

    Thanks. But that just raises (I know better than to say "begs") the question, how do *they* find out? If I were to die tomorrow, I don't
    think anyone would report my death to them. If you were to die

    I hate to be morbid, but this long-time lurker in
    rec.arts.sf.written is wondering what may have happened to
    Johnny1A. He was one my favorite posters, but he's been silent
    since last November. I sent him email but got no reply.

    Anyone know?

    --
    Eric Gillespie <*> epg@pretzelnet.org

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Eric Gillespie on Wed Mar 27 23:52:01 2024
    Eric Gillespie <epg@pretzelnet.org> wrote:
    I hate to be morbid, but this long-time lurker in
    rec.arts.sf.written is wondering what may have happened to Johnny1A.
    He was one my favorite posters, but he's been silent since last
    November. I sent him email but got no reply.

    All I know is that his real name appears to be Sherman Lee.
    Unfortunately, that's a common name. I find obituaries for
    lots of different people with that name.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Jeff Jonas@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 13:12:33 2024
    Thanks. But that just raises (I know better than to say "begs")
    the question, how do *they* find out?

    If you were to die tomorrow, would anyone report your death to them?

    I'm still drafting my will to include notifications.
    I handled my parents' funerals. Notifying all their friends was difficult because I did not know all their friends.
    Family were all out-of-state.
    Dad's cellphone was full of names I did not recognize.

    Jewish funerals are normally held within 3 days, so time is of the essence. Happily, I knew a lot of my dad's clubs and organizations
    so word spread quickly.
    Even with a pre-arranged funeral,
    there was a lot to arrange at the last moment.


    In today's world, I sometimes wonder if it's possible that people lie >decomposing at home for months or more without anyone noticing.

    The human touch is still people making "wellness checks"
    even if just a phone call or text.

    Automated/computerized "eldercare" is slowly filling the void
    with activity sensors and such
    to their doctor/healthcare-provider and trusted friends/family.
    It can be accomplished with privacy and reasonable security.
    My masters' thesis was a medication compliance device
    ("did you take your pill today"), with HIPAA compliance in mind.
    Sadly, I aimed too high and was hoping for a community based system
    without monthly fees. I never found any that gained critical mass.


    -- jeffj

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