• "zero-tolerance" spam policies . . . unenforceable?

    From D@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 22:36:37 2024
    seems their zero-tolerance spam policies might be unenforceable . . .

    (using Tor Browser 13.0.9)
    https://www.usenetserver.com/terms-of-service
    Spam. UsenetServer enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our
    users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of UsenetServer to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If >UsenetServer has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately with no refunds and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by UsenetServer to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    https://easynews.com/agreement/
    SPAM. Easynews enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our
    users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of Easynews to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If
    Easynews has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by Easynews to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    usenet has long-since been continuously inundated by weaponized troll farm
    spam from both google and non-google servers, so once google cuts the cord
    will many dozens of other servers pick up the slack without missing a beat?

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 16:56:24 2024
    On Feb 4, 2024, D wrote
    (in article<63c870d11c4ed13bd27a3e3f986355e0@dizum.com>):


    seems their zero-tolerance spam policies might be unenforceable . . .

    (using Tor Browser 13.0.9)
    https://www.usenetserver.com/terms-of-service
    Spam. UsenetServer enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of UsenetServer to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If UsenetServer has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately with no refunds and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by UsenetServer to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    https://easynews.com/agreement/
    SPAM. Easynews enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our
    users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of Easynews to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If
    Easynews has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by Easynews to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    usenet has long-since been continuously inundated by weaponized troll farm spam from both google and non-google servers, so once google cuts the cord will many dozens of other servers pick up the slack without missing a beat?

    Eternal September, and at least one other free/cheap text-only service,
    manage to both kill 99% of spam from others while not serving spam
    themselves. Switch to a service which kills spam. The others will either kill spam themselves or die. Either way, those on services which kill spam won’t care.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 21:54:06 2024
    D <J@M> quoted:
    If UsenetServer has determined that a user has posted 1 or more
    articles of spam, ...

    If Easynews has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, ...

    By definition, it's not possible to post just one article of spam.

    that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee ...

    How would they collect?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 00:03:34 2024
    In article <63c870d11c4ed13bd27a3e3f986355e0@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >usenet has long-since been continuously inundated by weaponized troll farm >spam from both google and non-google servers, so once google cuts the cord >will many dozens of other servers pick up the slack without missing a beat?

    Likely not, because although other servers get abused, they actually have
    human beings running their servers who can deal with the abuse. Google
    was high profile, it is true, but the real problem is that they had the
    same people spamming and spamming for years without any intervention.

    There will always be spam in spite of the strongest policies, which is
    why every site should be running cleanfeed, but google's complete hands-off operation was a disaster.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Feb 5 02:12:38 2024
    On 5 Feb 2024 00:03:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    In article <63c870d11c4ed13bd27a3e3f986355e0@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >>usenet has long-since been continuously inundated by weaponized troll farm >>spam from both google and non-google servers, so once google cuts the cord >>will many dozens of other servers pick up the slack without missing a beat?

    Likely not, because although other servers get abused, they actually have >human beings running their servers who can deal with the abuse. Google
    was high profile, it is true, but the real problem is that they had the
    same people spamming and spamming for years without any intervention.
    There will always be spam in spite of the strongest policies, which is
    why every site should be running cleanfeed, but google's complete hands-off >operation was a disaster.
    --scott

    sybershock's sysadmin posted this gem:

    Path: n...!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>
    Newsgroups: eternal-september.talk, alt.free.newsservers, alt.september >Subject: Looming Groupocalypse : The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh!
    Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 03:38:43 -0600
    Organization: sybershock.com Baggy Jeans Mafia
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    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Injection-Info: i2pn2.org;
    logging-data="2944723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="yZybWhCr+jI4C3MuGpPde+DhCwsjQrVZrsCOigcx7fM";
    X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0
    Xref: n... eternal-september.talk:1545 alt.free.newsservers:6379 alt.september:5

    A Brain Candy Rant for Tin Hatters and Texters. (SyberShock!)
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Looming Groupocalypse : The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh!
    Tuesday, September 11088, 1993
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    List of Free Usenet Servers: https://sybershock.com/#usenet
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Usenet is dead.
    Usenet has always been dead.
    Usenet is dying.
    Usenet is always dying.
    Live with it.
    Long live Usenet!
    Google Groups has provided Usenet access for many years
    since Google acquired DejaNews 22 years ago, circa 2002.
    For some of these years Google has allowed a non-stop spam
    flooding, denial of service attack against the Usenet
    network. Google and other large Usenet providers have
    suborned a non-stop flood of zillions and bazillions of spam
    articles over the years, making newsgroups unusable for many
    end-users, causing much exodus from the Usenet network. Some
    believe that this was not incompetence or negligence, but
    intentional malice disguised as incompetence and negligence.
    Pretending to serve a network while undermining it in deed
    comports with the principle of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."
    Some are firmly convinced this is the real cause of the spam.
    A recent anti-spam campaign got a lot of people breathing
    down Google's neck. Rather than end the flooding and denial
    of service that it caused, Google has decided to stop
    peering Usenet feeds altogether. Some have opined that this
    is like amputating a leg to remedy a ingrown toenail. Google
    users will lose Usenet posting access without recourse.
    In February Google is pulling the plug. A large number of
    Google users will no longer be able to access Usenet. Those
    users will need to find some other way to access Usenet
    newsgroups. I like to think of it as 'unplugment day'.
    Some posters in the Usenet have been opining that it will
    be an apocalyptic event similar to Eternal September when
    hordes of AOL users were unleashed on Usenet decades ago.
    Since the influx of ISP users decimated politeness on the
    Usenet, it is said that September of 1993 never ended.
    Usenetizens still call this era the 'Eternal September.'
    Now a horde of Google Groups users will be potentially
    unleashed on the other Usenet service providers, especially
    the free providers. A swarm of new signups is expected. Some
    free Usenet providers are already dealing with a spike in
    new registrations.
    That cutoff date is February 22, 2024. After that time the
    Google users will no longer be able to access Usenet content.
    In Eternal September time the cutoff date will be the 11131st
    day of September, 1993.
    Since many Google users are clueless, some likely won't
    realize their Usenet access is sunset until the moment it is
    cut off. Then there is potential for a search panic as they
    try to discover why they cannot access Usenet groups via
    Google Groups. It has been jokingly called the Google Groups
    Apocalypse or the Google Groups Armageddon. Some users post
    Usenet articles counting down the days to the cutoff date.
    Some wordplay gives silly effect to these phrases:
    groupocalypse ==> group + apocalypse
    goopocalypse ==> google + apocalypse
    groupsspagheddon ==> groups + spaghetti + armageddon
    So now this ditty might make sense:
    The 'groupocalypse' looms.
    Google 'groupsspaggheddon' cometh.
    There shall be zoomer weeping,
    Karen wailing,
    and boomer gnashing of dentures.
    This is a spoof on verses from the books of Matthew and
    Revelation:
    "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
    so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man
    shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of
    his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do
    iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there
    shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
    "The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her,
    shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping
    and wailing ..."
    "Weeping and wailing" becomes: "Zoomer weeping, Karen
    wailing ..."
    "Gnashing of teeth" becomes: "Boomer gnashing of dentures."
    I suppose that the "merchants" could spoof for spammers. Yet
    I doubt any spammers were, "made rich by her."
    Since it is the end of yet another era for Usenet, it is
    'apocalyptic' in a lampoon way, like the end of the Usenet
    world when the month of Eternal September began. It is a
    comical, cosmological holy day, an 'apocalypse' for which we
    know the exact date of its coming. It is bombastic burlesque,
    a rampant style of humor that runs riot on Usenet.
    The impending cessation of Google Usenet peering may cause a
    chaotic scramble to find Usenet access. Or it may go hardly
    noticed, an anti-apocalyptic whimper in the night. The Google
    Groupocalypse might signal a great shift, or it may mererly
    result in less spam. That is a change I can live with.
    Whether February 22, 2024 comes in like a lion or a lamb, that
    day will always be September 11131, 1993. And one thing is
    sure: If September is eternal, then Usenet is eternal, too.
    [end quote]

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 20:14:47 2024
    On 2/4/24 4:36 PM, D wrote:
    seems their zero-tolerance spam policies might be unenforceable . . .

    (using Tor Browser 13.0.9)
    https://www.usenetserver.com/terms-of-service
    Spam. UsenetServer enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our
    users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of UsenetServer to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If
    UsenetServer has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately with no refunds and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by UsenetServer to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    https://easynews.com/agreement/
    SPAM. Easynews enforces a zero-tolerance spam policy regarding our
    users posts to usenet through our network. It is the sole discretion
    of Easynews to determine if a user's posts are considered spam. If
    Easynews has determined that a user has posted 1 or more articles
    of spam, that user will be charged a $500 per hour clean-up fee and
    the user's account will be canceled immediately and
    all reasonable efforts will be made by Easynews to prevent the
    user from using our network anytime thereafter.
    [end quote]

    By those terms, they can declare any post spam and charge the poster a
    large chunk of money, the amount determined by their own bookkeeping
    methods. I'd avoid any company that works that way.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 02:56:46 2024
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) quoted:
    sybershock's sysadmin posted this gem:
    From: SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>

    Google and other large Usenet providers have suborned a non-stop
    flood of zillions and bazillions of spam articles over the years,
    making newsgroups unusable for many end-users, causing much
    exodus from the Usenet network. Some believe that this was not
    incompetence or negligence, but intentional malice disguised as
    incompetence and negligence.

    This never made sense to me. Why would any corporation *want*
    to appear incompetent or negligent? That's a sure way to drive
    away current and potential customers, investors, advertisers, and
    employees.

    2/22 isn't the end of Usenet. But it may be the beginning of the
    end of Google.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Mon Feb 5 06:40:59 2024
    On 2/4/24 9:56 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) quoted:
    sybershock's sysadmin posted this gem:
    From: SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>

    Google and other large Usenet providers have suborned a non-stop
    flood of zillions and bazillions of spam articles over the years,
    making newsgroups unusable for many end-users, causing much
    exodus from the Usenet network. Some believe that this was not
    incompetence or negligence, but intentional malice disguised as
    incompetence and negligence.

    This never made sense to me. Why would any corporation *want*
    to appear incompetent or negligent? That's a sure way to drive
    away current and potential customers, investors, advertisers, and
    employees.

    2/22 isn't the end of Usenet. But it may be the beginning of the
    end of Google.

    Catastrophic endings make good press. Several years ago, Google dropped
    its RSS reader. There were many proclamations of the end of RSS. When
    the last patents on MP3 expired, the MP3 Consortium stopped demanding royalties, as it had to. Several supposedly respectable news sources
    claimed it had declared MP3 obsolete.


    People are still using RSS and MP3 the last I checked.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Mon Feb 5 13:19:56 2024
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Catastrophic endings make good press.

    It was claimed that the RMS Titanic had been destroyed. But in 1985
    Ballard found it, just three miles from where it had last been seen. :-)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Mon Feb 5 11:56:33 2024
    On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 13:19:56 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Catastrophic endings make good press.

    It was claimed that the RMS Titanic had been destroyed. But in 1985
    Ballard found it, just three miles from where it had last been seen. :-)


    LOL
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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