• Walk-in shower

    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 22:10:00 2023
    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all
    concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    --
    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
    http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Dec 15 21:27:48 2023
    On 12/15/2023 9:10 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:

    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    That's a shower only, no tub, so that you're not stepping into the tub.
    Like this:

    https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/2c433fc9-5e5d-4398-a955-e118337a5124/svn/white-sterling-shower-stalls-kits-72290106-0-64_600.jpg

    Not like this:

    https://www.bestbathshowroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/4RTS6030.V2.png

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid on Sat Dec 16 11:24:41 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:10:00 -0500, Joy Beeson
    <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:


    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all >concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    Well, my shower is a combined bathtub and shower, so I have to step
    over the side of the bathtub to get into the shower, but yeah…

    Maybe they're confusing with walk in bathtubs.
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid on Thu Dec 21 05:25:03 2023
    In article <265qni5up9v4fc2vpdasu90no2g1t01vlh@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all >concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    [Hal Heydt]
    I'd be more concerned about HIPAA violations. How did whoever
    call you know you didn't have one, right after discussing the
    issue with a health care provider?

    As for what it is... They may mean one with no lip at entry.
    I've seen such things in hotels where a room is specified for
    wheelchair accessibility.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Dec 21 10:53:26 2023
    On 12/20/2023 11:25 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <265qni5up9v4fc2vpdasu90no2g1t01vlh@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all
    concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    [Hal Heydt]
    I'd be more concerned about HIPAA violations. How did whoever
    call you know you didn't have one, right after discussing the
    issue with a health care provider?

    As for what it is... They may mean one with no lip at entry.
    I've seen such things in hotels where a room is specified for
    wheelchair accessibility.

    Our new house has both tub and walk-in shower. Having both or just a
    walk-in shower in the master[1] bedroom in new homes has been pretty
    common around here (southwest Texas) for probably a decade, outside of
    starter homes.

    [1]excuse me, en-suite.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com on Fri Dec 22 12:02:00 2023
    In article <5fd4c2cd-0046-4e89-916a-1184c100a914n@googlegroups.com>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:

    As I understand it, a quarter-bath has a toilet but nothing else, a
    half-bath a toilet and a sink, and a three-quarter bath a toilet, a
    sink, and a shower stall. My parents' house, built in the 1950s, had
    a three-quarter bath off the master bedroom, and it was by no means
    an upscale house. (They paid $17,500 in 1964; adjusted for inflation
    that would be $168,089 in 2023.)

    And then there is the thing that in the UK (and equivalent in other
    European countries) a bathroom is a room with a bath in it, but not
    necessarily a toilet. Indeed, a house my family lived in from the
    sixties had two toilets, one upstairs, one downstairs, but no bath in
    either. There was a separate room with a bath and a washbasin. (And eventually, my parents added a shower to the bath.)

    Lynne Murphy in The Prodigal Tongue, an examination of the differences
    between British and American English, tells of seeing a guide at a museum
    in London refusing to answer the question from an American tourist,
    "Where is the bathroom?" until they actually asked for the toilet. And
    when I was trying to learn German on Duolingo, an American complained it wouldn't take Badzimmer as a translation of toilet.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Dec 22 12:03:19 2023
    On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <5fd4c2cd-0046-4e89-916a-1184c100a914n@googlegroups.com>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:

    As I understand it, a quarter-bath has a toilet but nothing else, a half-bath a toilet and a sink, and a three-quarter bath a toilet, a
    sink, and a shower stall. My parents' house, built in the 1950s, had
    a three-quarter bath off the master bedroom, and it was by no means
    an upscale house. (They paid $17,500 in 1964; adjusted for inflation
    that would be $168,089 in 2023.)

    And then there is the thing that in the UK (and equivalent in other
    European countries) a bathroom is a room with a bath in it, but not necessarily a toilet. Indeed, a house my family lived in from the
    sixties had two toilets, one upstairs, one downstairs, but no bath in
    either. There was a separate room with a bath and a washbasin. (And eventually, my parents added a shower to the bath.)

    Lynne Murphy in The Prodigal Tongue, an examination of the differences between British and American English, tells of seeing a guide at a museum
    in London refusing to answer the question from an American tourist,
    "Where is the bathroom?" until they actually asked for the toilet. And
    when I was trying to learn German on Duolingo, an American complained it wouldn't take Badzimmer as a translation of toilet.

    Zimmer badly framed?

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to John on Fri Dec 22 13:13:00 2023
    In article <20231222120319.1f2cb9d04a10ecfc9cacf83d@127.0.0.1>,
    admin@127.0.0.1 (Kerr-Mudd, John) wrote:


    Zimmer badly framed?

    Sorry, missed a letter - Badezimmer.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Dec 22 13:43:53 2023
    On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 13:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <20231222120319.1f2cb9d04a10ecfc9cacf83d@127.0.0.1>, admin@127.0.0.1 (Kerr-Mudd, John) wrote:


    Zimmer badly framed?

    Sorry, missed a letter - Badezimmer.

    I missed that! - I was just throwing in a bit of wordplay.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Dec 22 10:58:10 2023
    On 12/22/23 7:02 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    Lynne Murphy in The Prodigal Tongue, an examination of the differences between British and American English, tells of seeing a guide at a museum
    in London refusing to answer the question from an American tourist,
    "Where is the bathroom?" until they actually asked for the toilet. And
    when I was trying to learn German on Duolingo, an American complained it wouldn't take Badzimmer as a translation of toilet.

    I tried Duolingo for a few hours before deciding it sucks. My favorite language-learning site these days is Lingolia.

    As for Badezimmer, I think of it as a bathroom in a house. A toilet in a
    public facility would be "Klo" or "Toilette."

    Disclaimer: Non-native speaker of German.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 22 16:37:00 2023
    In article <um4bmi$1kcip$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    I tried Duolingo for a few hours before deciding it sucks. My
    favorite language-learning site these days is Lingolia.

    As for Badezimmer, I think of it as a bathroom in a house. A toilet
    in a public facility would be "Klo" or "Toilette."


    I plateaued fairly quickly on German and could not have a conversation in
    it. My point was that there seems to be something of a stigma in the US
    of referring to a room with a toilet in it being called a toilet. And as
    I said, it's not uncommon in the UK to have a room with just a toilet
    bowl in it.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Dec 22 12:39:45 2023
    On 12/22/23 11:37 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:



    I plateaued fairly quickly on German and could not have a conversation in
    it. My point was that there seems to be something of a stigma in the US
    of referring to a room with a toilet in it being called a toilet. And as
    I said, it's not uncommon in the UK to have a room with just a toilet
    bowl in it.

    When our German language group at the library had a change of location
    for this week's meeting, I explained that the room we'd be in was
    "hinter den Toiletten" (behind the toilets), then immediately realized
    how that sounded even though it was accurate.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to eleeper@optonline.net on Sat Dec 23 01:46:55 2023
    eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    My parents' house, built in the 1950s, had a three-quarter bath off
    the master bedroom, and it was by no means an upscale house. (They
    paid $17,500 in 1964; adjusted for inflation that would be $168,089
    in 2023.)

    Presumably it's actually worth far more than $168,089 today, meaning
    that the official inflation rate is an enormous underestimate.

    There was an article in today's Washington Post pointing out that
    rates of homelessness are way up, and that homeless people are no
    longer majority mentally ill or addicted. Most of them were just
    squeezed out by rents increasing much faster than wages.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sat Dec 23 01:42:48 2023
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    I tried Duolingo for a few hours before deciding it sucks.
    My favorite language-learning site these days is Lingolia.

    There's a YouTube channel called Xiaomanyc, by a white American who
    likes to visit ethnic enclaves and start chatting with people in their
    own language, the more obscure the better. The channel is to tout his
    own language-learning software.

    My favorite of his videos is one where he ran into a Chinese YouTuber
    in NYC whose gimmick is to start talking in Chinese to random white
    people to see what they'll do. Hijinks ensued.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Hal Heydt on Sat Dec 23 01:49:20 2023
    Hal Heydt wrote:
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks
    on about?

    They may mean one with no lip at entry. I've seen such things in
    hotels where a room is specified for wheelchair accessibility.

    Wouldn't that be a roll-in shower?

    Are wheelchairs typically waterproof?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to eleeper@optonline.net on Fri Dec 22 20:56:29 2023
    On 12/21/2023 11:05 PM, eleeper@optonline.net wrote:
    On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-5, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 12/20/2023 11:25 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <265qni5up9v4fc2vp...@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all
    concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    [Hal Heydt]
    I'd be more concerned about HIPAA violations. How did whoever
    call you know you didn't have one, right after discussing the
    issue with a health care provider?

    As for what it is... They may mean one with no lip at entry.
    I've seen such things in hotels where a room is specified for
    wheelchair accessibility.
    Our new house has both tub and walk-in shower. Having both or just a
    walk-in shower in the master[1] bedroom in new homes has been pretty
    common around here (southwest Texas) for probably a decade, outside of
    starter homes.

    [1]excuse me, en-suite.

    As I understand it, a quarter-bath has a toilet but nothing else, a half-bath a toilet
    and a sink, and a three-quarter bath a toilet, a sink, and a shower stall. My
    parents' house, built in the 1950s, had a three-quarter bath off the master bedroom,
    and it was by no means an upscale house. (They paid $17,500 in 1964; adjusted for
    inflation that would be $168,089 in 2023.)

    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper

    That was probably a fiberglass surround. Now days they're frequently
    marble or tile. The picture I linked to earlier would be mid-level.
    This would be more upscale. https://media.angi.com/s3fs-public/walk-in-shower-ideas-walk-in-shower-room.jpeg

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  • From Bernard Peek@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Sat Dec 23 12:01:56 2023
    On 2023-12-16, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    At my annual medicare assessment (in 2020 they discovered that they
    could do these interviews by phone, to the great convenience of all concerned) the nurse asked whether I had a walk-in shower, then a few
    hours later I checked into Facebook to be confronted by an
    advertisement for an amazingly-cheap "walk-in shower" that could be
    installed in only one day.

    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks on
    about?

    The usual adaptation for UK showers is to turn the bathroom into a wet-room. Tile the whole floor and install a drain flush with the floor surface. There is no
    shower tray required. It doesn't need a shower-curtain either. Presumably
    the floor slopes down to the drain at its lowest point.


    --
    Bernard Peek
    bap@shrdlu.com
    Wigan

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Dec 23 14:42:16 2023
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    My parents' house, built in the 1950s, had a three-quarter bath off
    the master bedroom, and it was by no means an upscale house. (They
    paid $17,500 in 1964; adjusted for inflation that would be $168,089
    in 2023.)

    Presumably it's actually worth far more than $168,089 today, meaning
    that the official inflation rate is an enormous underestimate.

    This may be true, although the price for a small three-bedroom house
    in this town isn't much more than that these days.

    However, although the price for housing has increased far faster than inflation, the price for food has not increased anywhere near as much
    as inflation. In the fifties, food was often the largest expense in
    a family budget, whereas today it is usually housing (or medical expenses).

    There was an article in today's Washington Post pointing out that
    rates of homelessness are way up, and that homeless people are no
    longer majority mentally ill or addicted. Most of them were just
    squeezed out by rents increasing much faster than wages.

    A lot of this is because rental houses that used to be owned by independent landlords are now being bought up by real estate investment trusts which basically optimize everything for maximum return. There are many apartment buildings in NYC which are completely empty because the reit that runs them can't rent them out at market rate, and if they rented them below market it would reduce the value of their other properties.

    The rental problem is less the consequence of the housing shortage as a consequence of direct market manipulation.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Dec 23 10:24:34 2023
    On 12/23/23 9:42 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    There was an article in today's Washington Post pointing out that
    rates of homelessness are way up, and that homeless people are no
    longer majority mentally ill or addicted. Most of them were just
    squeezed out by rents increasing much faster than wages.

    A lot of this is because rental houses that used to be owned by independent landlords are now being bought up by real estate investment trusts which basically optimize everything for maximum return. There are many apartment buildings in NYC which are completely empty because the reit that runs them can't rent them out at market rate, and if they rented them below market it would reduce the value of their other properties.

    The rental problem is less the consequence of the housing shortage as a consequence of direct market manipulation.

    Direct market manipulation doesn't get anyone far when there are many participants, as there used to be in the housing market. I think a lot
    of small landlords have been scared out of the market. Two years ago I
    couldn't occupy the home I now live in for several months, because the
    existing tenant's lease had to run out. With the COVID rules, I was
    constantly scared she'd decide not to pay, and there would be little I
    could do about it. Nothing bad actually happened, but I hope I'll never
    have to rent out a property again.

    It's similar to what happens in a lot of businesses, where running one
    on a small scale is nerve-wracking and unrewarding. Bigger, more
    impersonal owners come to dominate the market.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Dec 23 15:40:26 2023
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Presumably it's actually worth far more than $168,089 today,
    meaning that the official inflation rate is an enormous
    underestimate.

    This may be true, although the price for a small three-bedroom
    house in this town isn't much more than that these days.

    What town is that?

    However, although the price for housing has increased far faster
    than inflation, the price for food has not increased anywhere near
    as much as inflation. In the fifties, food was often the largest
    expense in a family budget, whereas today it is usually housing
    (or medical expenses).

    Food inflation may be relatively small averaged over all the decades
    since the 1950s, but I think it's relatively high over the past decade
    or two. I'm spending about twice as much on food as I did at the turn
    of the century, and I'm certainly not eating twice as much, nor am I
    eating a higher grade of food.

    I'm eating a lot less cereal. Cereals that were about $2 a box in
    2000 are now often about $6 a box. I wish I knew why. Has there been
    a massive crop failure? Or are corn and other grains mostly going to
    make "green" car fuel rather than to feed people or animals?

    A lot of this is because rental houses that used to be owned by
    independent landlords are now being bought up by real estate
    investment trusts which basically optimize everything for maximum
    return. There are many apartment buildings in NYC which are
    completely empty because the reit that runs them can't rent them
    out at market rate, and if they rented them below market it would
    reduce the value of their other properties.

    Maybe in NYC, but around here there are few vacant houses or
    apartments. I also don't see how the price-demand curves can be such
    that vacancies benefit landlords.

    The rental problem is less the consequence of the housing shortage
    as a consequence of direct market manipulation.

    I'm hoping that this will be mitigated by the replacement of surplus
    office buildings with apartments, now that more people are working
    from home. For instance the office building I was falsely convicted
    of burglarizing nearly half a century ago was demolished this year,
    to use the land for apartments.

    But inflation isn't just concentrated on housing and medical care.
    Schooling (from infant day care through university), legal services
    (a good felony defense costs more than a house), construction (the
    new Yankee Stadium cost a thousand times the old one, and seats fewer spectators) and maintenance are also increasingly unaffordable.

    Speaking of stadia, Virginia just agreed to spend billions of taxpayer
    dollars on two new sports facilities. And they're not even for football
    or baseball (they're for hockey and basketball). I can't see why tax
    money should ever pay anything for sports. The sports fans should pay.

    The DC Metrorail system is once again demanding higher fares and
    higher subsidies, and once again threatening to cut service to the
    bone if they don't get everything they want. I wish someone would
    call their bluff. Fire them all and start over with people who are
    more competent and less greedy.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Dec 23 16:04:13 2023
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Presumably it's actually worth far more than $168,089 today,
    meaning that the official inflation rate is an enormous
    underestimate.

    This may be true, although the price for a small three-bedroom
    house in this town isn't much more than that these days.

    What town is that?

    Williamsburg, Virgina. You get farther out into rural areas and houses
    get much cheaper too. In downtown Richmond they are far more expensive.

    The problem in Williamsburg is that all of the new houses are these
    giant cardboard mansions that are designed for the retirees who are
    moving into town. They are huge houses that are much more expensive
    than typical housing in the area, and built to fall apart after a few
    years.

    However, although the price for housing has increased far faster
    than inflation, the price for food has not increased anywhere near
    as much as inflation. In the fifties, food was often the largest
    expense in a family budget, whereas today it is usually housing
    (or medical expenses).

    Food inflation may be relatively small averaged over all the decades
    since the 1950s, but I think it's relatively high over the past decade
    or two. I'm spending about twice as much on food as I did at the turn
    of the century, and I'm certainly not eating twice as much, nor am I
    eating a higher grade of food.

    It has been relatively high in the past five years or so, yes. But
    food still doesn't make up anywhere near the percentage of the household
    budget than it used to.

    And there are plenty of other things... used to be a color TV set was
    a few week's wages, now color TV sets are so cheap that burglars do not
    even bother with them.

    A lot of this is because rental houses that used to be owned by
    independent landlords are now being bought up by real estate
    investment trusts which basically optimize everything for maximum
    return. There are many apartment buildings in NYC which are
    completely empty because the reit that runs them can't rent them
    out at market rate, and if they rented them below market it would
    reduce the value of their other properties.

    Maybe in NYC, but around here there are few vacant houses or
    apartments. I also don't see how the price-demand curves can be such
    that vacancies benefit landlords.

    Don't know about NoVa but there are a lot of vacant apartments in NW DC.
    Not so much in SE. They aren't for rent at any price.

    The rental problem is less the consequence of the housing shortage
    as a consequence of direct market manipulation.

    I'm hoping that this will be mitigated by the replacement of surplus
    office buildings with apartments, now that more people are working
    from home. For instance the office building I was falsely convicted
    of burglarizing nearly half a century ago was demolished this year,
    to use the land for apartments.

    This is a good thing, but if the apartments aren't available at a fair
    price, or aren't available at all, it doesn't matter.

    But inflation isn't just concentrated on housing and medical care.
    Schooling (from infant day care through university), legal services
    (a good felony defense costs more than a house), construction (the
    new Yankee Stadium cost a thousand times the old one, and seats fewer >spectators) and maintenance are also increasingly unaffordable.

    I agree with some of these, and I point out that schooling is the thing
    that most should be subsidized in that the people who need it are not
    the people who can make financial decisions about it.

    Maintenance is interesting... maintenance is expensive, but maintenance
    is sure a lot cheaper than repairs. Unfortunately a lot of people do not
    seem to understand this (and certainly my father did not).

    The DC Metrorail system is once again demanding higher fares and
    higher subsidies, and once again threatening to cut service to the
    bone if they don't get everything they want. I wish someone would
    call their bluff. Fire them all and start over with people who are
    more competent and less greedy.

    I will say that they are actually trying to fix the system, but what they
    are dealing with is a system that has not been getting proper maintenance
    for many decades. As pointed out maintenance is much cheaper than
    repairs. They are now attempting to do repairs on a system which is in
    use, often with staff which is extremely reluctant to actually get repairs done. It's bad, but I actually see people doing track repairs instead of sitting around smoking crack and staring at the damaged track section north
    of Takoma Park which has been unsafe for so many years.

    My question is that once they have things to the point where the system is working again, what are they going to do to keep it that way?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Dec 23 16:29:22 2023
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    I will say that they are actually trying to fix the system, but what
    they are dealing with is a system that has not been getting proper maintenance for many decades.

    Horseshit. They first made that claim 30 years ago. It may have been
    true then, but intensive maintenance has been going on non-stop ever
    since. It's been so intensive that thousands of people who were
    dependent on Metro were forced into early retirement or compelled
    to flee the DC area. And yet the system keeps getting worse, with
    frequent track fires, derailments, wheels falling off, rail cars
    coming detached while in motion, etc.

    Automated train operation was "temporarily" suspended after it caused
    a fatal collision. That was 14 years ago and it's still suspended.

    As for the loose wheels, they've apparently also given up on trying
    to find, much less fix, the cause. Instead they're doing frequent
    inspections of all the wheels, in perpetuity.

    Similarly, when the new Silver Line stations were found to have rotten concrete, they didn't fix them, they coated them, figuring that they'd
    probably be good enough so long as they stayed dry. This will require
    frequent inspections of the coatings, which in turn will require
    dismantling stuff to get a good view.

    It's not a transportation system, it's a jobs program and a lucrative
    source of grift, which can occasionally be used for transportation.

    It's also a fetish object for politicians to pose in front of to boast
    of how green they are, for having voted to spend billions of dollars
    or other people's money to keep the grift going.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Dec 28 16:20:28 2023
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    Hal Heydt wrote:
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
    I've never seen a shower that wasn't walk in. What are these folks
    on about?

    They may mean one with no lip at entry. I've seen such things in
    hotels where a room is specified for wheelchair accessibility.

    Wouldn't that be a roll-in shower?

    Yes...a walk-in shower has a raised lip a few inches high, has no door, is usually larger than a "regular" shower or shower-tub and sometimes has
    built-in seating and safety handles. A roll-in lacks the lip.

    Are wheelchairs typically waterproof?

    There are shower wheelchairs. They're usually made of PVC and aren't as
    sturdy so they're not suitable for all-around use. My father's room at the assisted living facility had a roll-in shower...they used it and a shower wheelchair to bathe him.

    Robert
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    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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