It's good to see more posts in this newsgroup. But only if they're
on topic. On topic means they involve conventions, fanzines,
members of fandom, or other things of interest to members of
fandom. There's a lot of tolerance for other topics, as there
should be, but there shouldn't be unlimited tolerance.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific
long-running British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup.
I count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs
of slowing, or of making any attempt to show any fannish nexus.
They don't even bother to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have
appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup. I
count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs of slowing, or of
making any attempt to show any fannish nexus. They don't even bother
to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
It's good to see more posts in this newsgroup. But only if they're on
topic. On topic means they involve conventions, fanzines, members of
fandom, or other things of interest to members of fandom. There's a
lot of tolerance for other topics, as there should be, but there
shouldn't be unlimited tolerance.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup. I
count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs of slowing, or of
making any attempt to show any fannish nexus. They don't even bother
to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
On 11/25/23 10:46 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup. I
count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs of slowing, or of
making any attempt to show any fannish nexus. They don't even bother
to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
Are they? With the filters I've set, it's been a while since I've seen
any. For the past week, activity on this group just seems to have slowed >down.
I'm reminded of things like the "Pearl Jam Rules" battle of decades ago, >where trolls would crosspost nonsense to lots of newsgroups, idiots or >perhaps other trolls would argue with them, and all attempts to persuade
them to stop just added to the noise.
Killfiles are your friend.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 11:16:55 -0500, Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com>
wrote:
On 11/25/23 10:46 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup. I
count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs of slowing, or of
making any attempt to show any fannish nexus. They don't even bother
to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
Are they? With the filters I've set, it's been a while since I've seen
any. For the past week, activity on this group just seems to have slowed >>down.
I'm reminded of things like the "Pearl Jam Rules" battle of decades ago, >>where trolls would crosspost nonsense to lots of newsgroups, idiots or >>perhaps other trolls would argue with them, and all attempts to persuade >>them to stop just added to the noise.
Killfiles are your friend.
And Doctor Who is on topic.
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Keith F. Lynch wrote:
It's good to see more posts in this newsgroup. But only if they're
on topic. On topic means they involve conventions, fanzines,
members of fandom, or other things of interest to members of
fandom. There's a lot of tolerance for other topics, as there
should be, but there shouldn't be unlimited tolerance.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific
long-running British TV show have almost completely taken over this
newsgroup.
Do you mean, "the longest running sci-fi show in the Universe"?!!!
I count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs
of slowing, or of making any attempt to show any fannish nexus.
They don't even bother to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have
appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
Requesting people not to post to a certain newsgroup could result in
people of mischievous minds posting even more!
Good luck with that. ;-)
It's good to see more posts in this newsgroup. But only if they're on
topic. On topic means they involve conventions, fanzines, members of
fandom, or other things of interest to members of fandom. There's a
lot of tolerance for other topics, as there should be, but there
shouldn't be unlimited tolerance.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup. I
count 345 such posts so far, and they show no signs of slowing, or of
making any attempt to show any fannish nexus. They don't even bother
to trim quoted text: Some long URLs have appeared as many as 25 times.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
It's good to see more posts in this newsgroup. But only if they're on
topic. On topic means they involve conventions, fanzines, members of
fandom, or other things of interest to members of fandom. There's a
lot of tolerance for other topics, as there should be, but there
shouldn't be unlimited tolerance.
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific long-running
British TV show have almost completely taken over this newsgroup.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
In article <nnd$44a47813$311bebc0@8292a2b4ecdeb729>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to
ask them to please get off our lawn.
Requesting people not to post to a certain newsgroup could result
in people of mischievous minds posting even more!
Good luck with that. ;-)
No wonder you are known as BS.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 15:46:50 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch
<kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
Starting in September, crossposts relating to a specific
long-running British TV show have almost completely taken over
this newsgroup.
It is a long-standing net-kook, called David Yadallee (aka Yads),
that is starting all the cross-posting (and not just to this group).
Others either don't notice or don't trim the newsgroups lines.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
It will not work. People have asked until they are blue in the face
to keep the newsgroups line down to the most relevant groups.
I think you will have to resort to killfiles.
And not being funny, but Doctor Who clearly is on topic so providing
the posts ARE relevant they are fine. Plus there is no Boss of rec.arts.sf.fandom to dictate on who can post here.
This is Usenet, filters and killfiles are the only way to have a
pleasant experience using it.
Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
And Doctor Who is on topic.
Correct!
And Doctor Who is on topic.
On 11/25/23 5:01 PM, Blueshirt wrote:
This is Usenet, filters and killfiles are the only way to have a
pleasant experience using it.
I don't currently have any of those posts visible to check, but at
least some of the earlier ones were posted to lots of newsgroups.
Except in the most unusual circumstances, I consider anything
cross-posted to more than three newsgroups to be bad netiquette and
worthy of filtering out. Thunderbird lets me ignore a whole thread
with a click.
Not really. This is a group not about SF itself but about fandom,
so it is a meta-SF group. If these were postings of Dr. Who
conventions or about Dr. Who fans, that would be on-topic. But
postings just about Dr. Who programs aren't really.
Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and we are fans talking about the show.
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and we are fans talking about the
show.
Exactly. About the show, not about its fandom. And even if you
were talking about its fandom, it doesn't outweigh the rest of
fandom put together, so it shouldn't drown out everything else in
this newsgroup.
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Doctor Who is a sci-fi show and we are fans talking about the show.
Exactly. About the show, not about its fandom. And even if you were
talking about its fandom, it doesn't outweigh the rest of fandom put together, so it shouldn't drown out everything else in this newsgroup.
Several people have suggested simply killfiling (blocking) all mentions
of Dr. Who. But if we did that, then we'd miss the rare on-topic message
that involves that show or its fandom.
For instance if the actor who
plays the doctor's current incarnation will be at the upcoming Worldcon,
you could post that here, but nobody would see it, since we would have
long since blocked all messages mentioning that show.
But if everyone here who didn't want to read vast numbers of off-topic >messages were to simply killfile every mention of Dr. Who, as has been >recommended, then we'd never see that one on-topic post.
So if nobody objects, I plan to post to the relevant groups to ask
them to please get off our lawn.
I'm reminded of things like the "Pearl Jam Rules" battle of decades ago, >where trolls would crosspost nonsense to lots of newsgroups, idiots or >perhaps other trolls would argue with them, and all attempts to persuade
them to stop just added to the noise.
Killfiles are your friend.
In article <ujt6ln$2ru3l$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
I'm reminded of things like the "Pearl Jam Rules" battle of decades ago, >>where trolls would crosspost nonsense to lots of newsgroups, idiots or >>perhaps other trolls would argue with them, and all attempts to persuade >>them to stop just added to the noise.
Killfiles are your friend.
Or (much like this issue) way back when The Wheel Of Time ate all
of rec.arts.sf.written. No fault of the people posting those; it
was clearly on-topic, I just had no interest in it.
I wrote a set of kill files to de-Wheel my Usenet, and it worked
great. I'm considering doing it here for the Who stuff. I enjoyed
the pre-hiatus Who, but the new stuff, for the most part, just
doesn't grab me.
Just kill anything posted to at least three groups at a time. Search for
two or more commas in the newsgroup line and it will all go away. In
general this is a beneficial thing on most Usenet groups. Anything that >extensively crossposted probably shouldn't have been.
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Just kill anything posted to at least three groups at a time.
Search for two or more commas in the newsgroup line and it will
all go away. In general this is a beneficial thing on most Usenet
groups. Anything that extensively crossposted probably shouldn't
have been.
The way I used to do it in trn:
/,.*,/KHNewsgroups:,
Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
The way I used to do it in trn:
/,.*,/KHNewsgroups:,
The three of us can easily do that. But what about the many Usenet
users who can't, e.g. those who use a web interface? The 616 (so far) messages crossposted into rasff from that TV show's group are likely
to drive away every rasff regular who doesn't have access to killfiles,
as they greatly outnumber messages about conventions, fanzines, and
members of fandom.
It's also likely to get every rasff regular to hate that show, or at
least its fans.
So again I ask fans of the show to please use only the appropriate
newsgroup. Unless they want to be thought to be inconsiderate assholes.
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