I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
Eternal September relies on donations (and I send it money
occasionally), so it's probably starved for cash. I've looked at
various paid Usenet providers, with an eye to a low price since I don't
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
https://www.pureusenet.nl
I'm open to other suggestions. I connect to the Internet through
T-Mobile, which apparently has never heard of Usenet.
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. >Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
Eternal September relies on donations (and I send it money
occasionally), so it's probably starved for cash. I've looked at
various paid Usenet providers, with an eye to a low price since I don't
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing >standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
https://www.pureusenet.nl
I'm open to other suggestions. I connect to the Internet through
T-Mobile, which apparently has never heard of Usenet.
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
Eternal September relies on donations (and I send it money
occasionally), so it's probably starved for cash. I've looked at
various paid Usenet providers, with an eye to a low price since I don't
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
https://www.pureusenet.nl
I'm open to other suggestions. I connect to the Internet through
T-Mobile, which apparently has never heard of Usenet.
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
Eternal September relies on donations (and I send it money
occasionally), so it's probably starved for cash. I've looked at
various paid Usenet providers, with an eye to a low price since I don't
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
https://www.pureusenet.nl
I'm open to other suggestions. I connect to the Internet through
T-Mobile, which apparently has never heard of Usenet.
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing >standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
https://www.pureusenet.nl
I'm open to other suggestions.
On 11/7/23 11:43 AM, Arthur T. wrote:
I've been happy with Astraweb <https://www.astraweb.com/>. They have
block accounts. 10+ years ago I paid $25 for 180 GB. I recently had
to buy another block. But that one-time fee of $25 was all I paid
them for those 10 years. You could also go cheaper and pay only $10
for 25GB.
I'm afraid I don't understand block accounts. 25GB of what?
They have good retention, and I don't see some of the spam others do,
though some does get through their filters.
Note: You can't sign up without allowing scripting and some cookies.
I've always accessed Usenet through a client app, currently Thunderbird.
Does that mean Astraweb allows only Web access?
I've been happy with Astraweb <https://www.astraweb.com/>. They have
block accounts. 10+ years ago I paid $25 for 180 GB. I recently had
to buy another block. But that one-time fee of $25 was all I paid
them for those 10 years. You could also go cheaper and pay only $10
for 25GB.
They have good retention, and I don't see some of the spam others do,
though some does get through their filters.
Note: You can't sign up without allowing scripting and some cookies.
On 11/7/2023 12:15 PM, Gary McGath wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:43 AM, Arthur T. wrote:
I've been happy with Astraweb <https://www.astraweb.com/>. They have
block accounts. 10+ years ago I paid $25 for 180 GB. I recently had
to buy another block. But that one-time fee of $25 was all I paid
them for those 10 years. You could also go cheaper and pay only $10
for 25GB.
I'm afraid I don't understand block accounts. 25GB of what?
They have good retention, and I don't see some of the spam others do,
though some does get through their filters.
Note: You can't sign up without allowing scripting and some cookies.
I've always accessed Usenet through a client app, currently Thunderbird.
Does that mean Astraweb allows only Web access?
The block is the amount of data passed. If you do only text based groups >then, as Arthur said, 180 GB should last for a considerable time. 25 GB
a few years maybe.
You need scripting and cookies on just to sign up through a web browser.
In Message-ID:<uidvhm$14gn2$1@epsilon3.eternal-september.org>,
"Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
The block is the amount of data passed. If you do only text based
groups then, as Arthur said, 180 GB should last for a considerable
time. 25 GB a few years maybe.
You need scripting and cookies on just to sign up through a web
browser.
Jay interpreted what I said correctly. But for just text, 25 GB is
likely to last a lifetime.
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent. I shudder
at the idea of a Web interface.
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
Arthur T. wrote:
In Message-ID:<uidvhm$14gn2$1@epsilon3.eternal-september.org>,
"Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
The block is the amount of data passed. If you do only text based
groups then, as Arthur said, 180 GB should last for a considerable
time. 25 GB a few years maybe.
You need scripting and cookies on just to sign up through a web
browser.
Jay interpreted what I said correctly. But for just text, 25 GB is
likely to last a lifetime.
If you are just using Usenet for text newsgroups something like a 100 GB block could even outlive the Usenet provider!
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent. I shudder
at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
I'm afraid I don't understand block accounts. 25GB of what?
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
The Web is an important app on the Internet. But it's true that it's
far from the whole of the net. I'm annoyed when people use the words "Internet" and "Web" interchangably. And baffled when more and more
non-Web parts of the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like figuring out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in the bathroom. Why?
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
The Web is an important app on the Internet. But it's true that it's
far from the whole of the net. I'm annoyed when people use the words "Internet" and "Web" interchangably. And baffled when more and more
non-Web parts of the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like figuring out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in
the bathroom. Why?
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
The Web is an important app on the Internet. But it's true that it's
far from the whole of the net. I'm annoyed when people use the words "Internet" and "Web" interchangably. And baffled when more and more
non-Web parts of the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like figuring out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in
the bathroom. Why?
I'm surprised anymore when anyone (under, say, 50) even references
the internet. The younglings grew up only knowing the web and if
they even think about the internet they think it's some small, vague
part of the web.
On mobile devices, we have the opposite trend, where you're supposed
to get a separate app for every business you deal with. That's
worse, since you don't know whether they're competently written or
bother with secure connections.
I'm aware of your complaints about constant bug fix releases, but
I'd much rather rely on any major Web browser than on an application
which some retailer hired a random developer to write and never gets
its bugs fixed at all.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I'm annoyed when people use the words "Internet" and "Web"
interchangably. And baffled when more and more non-Web parts of
the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like figuring
out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in the
bathroom. Why?
Journalists equate social media with the internet, which is just
about as bad.
On 11/8/2023 8:24 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!
The Web is an important app on the Internet. But it's true that it's
far from the whole of the net. I'm annoyed when people use the words
"Internet" and "Web" interchangably. And baffled when more and more
non-Web parts of the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like
figuring out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in
the bathroom. Why?
I'm surprised anymore when anyone (under, say, 50) even references the internet. The younglings grew up only knowing the web and if they even
think about the internet they think it's some small, vague part of the web.
Another thing that is annoying is adverts claiming to have the fastest
wifi speeds when what I think they mean is uplink bandwidth? I know
there are different generations of the 802.11 standard and some
providers may provide older routers than others. Also there is some
variance between routers with signal strength etc. But I don't think
ISPs are trying to get you to buy their service on that.
I think that is catching on, as I've definitely heard younger, and less technical, people ask "do you have wifi?" when what they want to know is
"can I access the web here?" and what they should ask "is there internet access available?".
Which reminds me that I sometimes run into someone in person who used
to be active in rasff, but suddenly disappeared one day. When I ask
them why they left, they express surprise that Usenet is still around.
They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed it
had ceased to exist?
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent. I shudder
at the idea of a Web interface.
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On mobile devices, we have the opposite trend, where you're supposed
to get a separate app for every business you deal with. That's
worse, since you don't know whether they're competently written or
bother with secure connections.
If that's a requirement, it sounds like it's guaranteed to drive away
at least half the potential customers.
I'm aware of your complaints about constant bug fix releases, but
I'd much rather rely on any major Web browser than on an application
which some retailer hired a random developer to write and never gets
its bugs fixed at all.
I'd much rather rely on code that's written to be free of security
bugs in the first place. After the tenth urgent security update to
a piece of software, I lose all confidence that there won't be an
eleventh, i.e. that *this* time they finally found and fixed all
the bugs. That would be like thinking that the lastest exoneration >https://wtop.com/national/2023/11/california-man-whos-spent-25-years-in-prison-for-murder-he-didnt-commit-has-conviction-overturned/
means that every innocent person in prison has finally been freed.
If I was found to have written something with multiple security bugs,
I would have concluded that I was in the wrong line of work, and left >software development to people who were more competent.
I'm still using trn 4.0. I've found that it's installable
in Windows Subsystem for Linux. I *love* its kill file
feature, though I don't use it all that much. And it's
pure text; I defy anything short of The Blight to infect
my computer through that.
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
I'm surprised anymore when anyone (under, say, 50) even references
the internet. The younglings grew up only knowing the web and if
they even think about the internet they think it's some small, vague
part of the web.
Change 50 to 30 or 40 and you may be right. The Web only became a sigfificant part of the Internet in 1993. So someone who is 50 now
was 20 then.
Which reminds me that I sometimes run into someone in person who used
to be active in rasff, but suddenly disappeared one day. When I ask
them why they left, they express surprise that Usenet is still around.
They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed it
had ceased to exist?
I'm open to other suggestions. I connect to the Internet through
T-Mobile, which apparently has never heard of Usenet.
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and
then one day it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally
admitted they had dropped it, rather than it being a temporary
glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider. But I could
see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
I'd think almost everyone would check on it, rather than just assuming
that. The same as if their paycheck had suddenly gotten a lot smaller
even though they were still working the same number of hours at the
same job.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed
it had ceased to exist?
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and
then one day it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally
admitted they had dropped it, rather than it being a temporary
glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider. But I could
see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Change 50 to 30 or 40 and you may be right. The Web only became a
sigfificant part of the Internet in 1993. So someone who is 50 now
was 20 then.
Oops. I hit 70 in less than two months. 93 feels 50 years away.
On 11/10/23 2:09 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
I'm still using trn 4.0. I've found that it's installable
in Windows Subsystem for Linux. I *love* its kill file
feature, though I don't use it all that much. And it's
pure text; I defy anything short of The Blight to infect
my computer through that.
Can trn access the Known Net?
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and then one day
it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally admitted they had dropped it,
rather than it being a temporary glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider.
But I could see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
I'm still using trn 4.0.
I've found that it's installable in Windows Subsystem for Linux.
I *love* its kill file feature, though I don't use it all that much.
And it's pure text; I defy anything short of The Blight to infect my
computer through that.
I don't normally carry an Ethernet cable with me, so when I'm
looking for an Internet connection away from home, I'm specifically interested in Wi-Fi. An RJ45 connector doesn't do me much good.
Gary McGath <ga...@mcgath.com> wrote:
I don't normally carry an Ethernet cable with me, so when I'mDo most hotels, etc., even offer Ethernet connection? The last time I
looking for an Internet connection away from home, I'm specifically interested in Wi-Fi. An RJ45 connector doesn't do me much good.
used the Net away from home (or my brother's house) was at last year's Worldcon in Chicago. The public Wi-Fi speed was indeed quite marginal
in most of the hotel. And I didn't see any Ethernet outlets.
The Wi-Fi has since stopped working in that laptop. (Net access still
works via Ethernet.) So I will no longer bring it to conventions.
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
I'd much rather rely on code that's written to be free of security
bugs in the first place.
They will never find and fix all the bugs, because they're not
omniscient, and can only fix the bugs they find, often by end users
reporting them, (possibly introducing new bugs in the process, being
fellable humans, and all).
Same for false convictions (leaving aside cases where people are
deliberately framed).
In article <uim5sc$30tl9$1...@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <ga...@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 11/10/23 2:09 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
I'm still using trn 4.0. I've found that it's installable
in Windows Subsystem for Linux. I *love* its kill file
feature, though I don't use it all that much. And it's
pure text; I defy anything short of The Blight to infect
my computer through that.
Can trn access the Known Net?Maybe, if we can gateway nntp out of the Slow Zone.
Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
I'm still using trn 4.0.
Likewise. It's far from perfect, but it's a great improvement over
its many successors.
Whatever happened to the newsreader that Eric Raymond was working on?
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 10:07:09?PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Which reminds me that I sometimes run into someone in person who used
to be active in rasff, but suddenly disappeared one day. When I ask
them why they left, they express surprise that Usenet is still around.
They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed it
had ceased to exist?
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and then one day
it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally admitted they had
dropped it,
rather than it being a temporary glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider.
But I could see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
In article <b4da759b-726c-4454...@googlegroups.com>,
"ele...@optonline.net" <evelynchim...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 10:07:09?PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Which reminds me that I sometimes run into someone in person who used
to be active in rasff, but suddenly disappeared one day. When I ask
them why they left, they express surprise that Usenet is still around. They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed it had ceased to exist?
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and then one day
it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally admitted they had dropped it,
rather than it being a temporary glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider.
But I could see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
Was it Earthlink? (which dropped Usenet late September 2020).
Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
I'd much rather rely on code that's written to be free of security
bugs in the first place.
They will never find and fix all the bugs, because they're not
omniscient, and can only fix the bugs they find, often by end users
reporting them, (possibly introducing new bugs in the process, being
fellable humans, and all).
Code is made of basically the same stuff as mathematical theorems.
Do you also believe that there are undetected bugs in all theorems,
i.e. that there's nothing we know for certain about math? Flaws are sometimes found in theorems, but it's very rare (not counting theorems "proven" by crackpots).
The "millennium problems" each offer a million-dollar reward for
proofs or disproofs of various conjectures (e.g. the Riemann
Hypothesis). To avoid risk, they require that the work be published
in a reputable peer-reviewed journal, and that nobody finds a flaw in
the first two years after publication.
eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
They used Usenet every day, but one day they suddenly just assumed
it had ceased to exist?
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and
then one day it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally
admitted they had dropped it, rather than it being a temporary
glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider. But I could
see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
I'd think almost everyone would check on it, rather than just assuming
that. The same as if their paycheck had suddenly gotten a lot smaller
even though they were still working the same number of hours at the
same job.
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
I don't normally carry an Ethernet cable with me, so when I'm
looking for an Internet connection away from home, I'm specifically
interested in Wi-Fi. An RJ45 connector doesn't do me much good.
Do most hotels, etc., even offer Ethernet connection? The last time I
used the Net away from home (or my brother's house) was at last year's Worldcon in Chicago. The public Wi-Fi speed was indeed quite marginal
in most of the hotel. And I didn't see any Ethernet outlets.
The Wi-Fi has since stopped working in that laptop. (Net access still
works via Ethernet.) So I will no longer bring it to conventions.
Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
Gary McGath <ga...@mcgath.com> wrote:
I don't normally carry an Ethernet cable with me, so when I'm
looking for an Internet connection away from home, I'm specifically
interested in Wi-Fi. An RJ45 connector doesn't do me much good.
Do most hotels, etc., even offer Ethernet connection? The last time IVery few in my experience, and the few that do haven't updated the equipment in years.
used the Net away from home (or my brother's house) was at last year's Worldcon in Chicago. The public Wi-Fi speed was indeed quite marginal
in most of the hotel. And I didn't see any Ethernet outlets.
Code is made of basically the same stuff as mathematical theorems.
Part of [Newfoundland] is covered by a piece of the European tectonic plate.
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> writes:
Code is made of basically the same stuff as mathematical theorems.
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
On 11/9/2023 6:47 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
I'm surprised anymore when anyone (under, say, 50) even references
the internet. The younglings grew up only knowing the web and if
they even think about the internet they think it's some small, vague
part of the web.
Change 50 to 30 or 40 and you may be right. The Web only became a
sigfificant part of the Internet in 1993. So someone who is 50 now
was 20 then.
Oops. I hit 70 in less than two months. 93 feels 50 years away.
In article <uimtq9$38pjq$1@epsilon3.eternal-september.org>,
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:47 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
I'm surprised anymore when anyone (under, say, 50) even references
the internet. The younglings grew up only knowing the web and if
they even think about the internet they think it's some small, vague
part of the web.
Change 50 to 30 or 40 and you may be right. The Web only became a
sigfificant part of the Internet in 1993. So someone who is 50 now
was 20 then.
Oops. I hit 70 in less than two months. 93 feels 50 years away.
[Hal Heydt]
I'm 74. If I make it to 93 (years old), my youngest grandchild
will be 21 and I will have fulfilled Dorothy's last wishes.
After that...I don't care what happens to me.
In article <b4da759b-726c-4454-b71c-fe1f84a63aaen@googlegroups.com>, eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and then one day
it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally admitted they had dropped it,
rather than it being a temporary glitch, and I had to find a new Usenet provider.
But I could see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
Calweb did the same thing. "Oh, you're still using that fossil?
I didn't think anyone did any more." So I changed my nntp server
to Eternal September.
Then they sold out, and the new owners quit supporting shell
access. Fortunately, I discovered that it's possible to
install trn (The One True Newsreader) in Windows Subsystem
for Linux. I was considering just going all Linux, but I
still run a few software packages that are Windows only.
Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Calweb did the same thing. "Oh, you're still using that fossil? I
didn't think anyone did any more." So I changed my nntp server to
Eternal September.
Then they sold out, and the new owners quit supporting shell
access. Fortunately, I discovered that it's possible to
install trn (The One True Newsreader) in Windows Subsystem
for Linux. I was considering just going all Linux, but I
still run a few software packages that are Windows only.
Let's see. Ray stood up Motzarella around 2005, renamed it Eternal
September in 2008. Still running it today. What gave you the idea
he'd sold it?
In article <b4da759b-726c-4454-b71c-fe1f84a63aaen@googlegroups.com>, >eleeper@optonline.net <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
In my case, when I retired, I switched to Usenet from my ISP, and then one dayUsenet provider.
it seemed to disappear. AT some point they finally admitted they had >dropped it,
rather than it being a temporary glitch, and I had to find a new
But I could see how someone might think it had ceased to exist.
Calweb did the same thing. "Oh, you're still using that fossil?
I didn't think anyone did any more." So I changed my nntp server
to Eternal September.
Then they sold out, and the new owners quit supporting shell
access. Fortunately, I discovered that it's possible to
install trn (The One True Newsreader) in Windows Subsystem
for Linux. I was considering just going all Linux, but I
still run a few software packages that are Windows only.
Do most hotels, etc., even offer Ethernet connection?
I carry an OpenWrt-based travel router with me that can connect Ethernet and >Wi-Fi in either direction (including Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi) and also supports OpenVPN >and WireGuard.
The primary reason is so that we don't have to configure (worst case) five >laptops, four phones, three Kindles and a streaming device whenever we go to a >new hotel. The router has the SSID and key that we use at home so everything >automagically works.
fellable humans, and all).
Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
Arthur T. wrote:
And, as my headers show, I access Usenet via Forte Agent.
I shudder at the idea of a Web interface.
The Devil's own invention!The Web is an important app on the Internet. But it's true that it's
far from the whole of the net. I'm annoyed when people use the words "Internet" and "Web" interchangably. And baffled when more and more
non-Web parts of the Internet are shoehorned into the Web. It's like figuring out how to abandon most of your house and do everything in
the bathroom. Why?
--
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 1:18:03?PM UTC-5, Tim Merrigan wrote:
[snip]
fellable humans, and all).
I see what you did there! :)
I started using deja when I had yet to buy my own computer.
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Calweb did the same thing. "Oh, you're still using that fossil? I
didn't think anyone did any more." So I changed my nntp server to
Eternal September.
Then they sold out, and the new owners quit supporting shell
access. Fortunately, I discovered that it's possible to
install trn (The One True Newsreader) in Windows Subsystem
for Linux. I was considering just going all Linux, but I
still run a few software packages that are Windows only.
Let's see. Ray stood up Motzarella around 2005, renamed it Eternal
September in 2008. Still running it today. What gave you the idea
he'd sold it?
From context, I interpreted him as saying that *Calweb* sold out, not
that Eternal September did.
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
Eternal September relies on donations (and I send it money
occasionally), so it's probably starved for cash. I've looked at
various paid Usenet providers, with an eye to a low price since I don't
use Usenet all that much and never download big attachments. Pure
Usenet, a Netherlands-based service, looks the best from a pricing standpoint, and it gets decent reviews.
In article <uj10e4$ccg$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Calweb did the same thing. "Oh, you're still using that fossil? I
didn't think anyone did any more." So I changed my nntp server to
Eternal September.
Then they sold out, and the new owners quit supporting shell
access. Fortunately, I discovered that it's possible to
install trn (The One True Newsreader) in Windows Subsystem
for Linux. I was considering just going all Linux, but I
still run a few software packages that are Windows only.
Let's see. Ray stood up Motzarella around 2005, renamed it Eternal
September in 2008. Still running it today. What gave you the idea
he'd sold it?
From context, I interpreted him as saying that *Calweb* sold out, not
that Eternal September did.
Correct. I'm still using Eternal September.
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait. Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
On 11/7/23 6:24 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait.
Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
My search for other providers has been a nightmare. First I signed up
with Astraweb. I immediately got a message saying my account had been >cancelled. It appeared to work anyway. However, I got errors trying to
post, saying posting wasn't allowed on my server. A search indicates
that's the usual state of affairs with Astraweb. I explicitly cancelled
my account. Nonetheless, they charged my credit card for their worthless >service and my account still showed as active this morning. I cancelled
again and told them to remove the charge.
Pureusenet was no better. Again, I couldn't post. I contacted support
and was told I had to select a deeply-buried option to be able to post.
I went to the indicated page and was told I couldn't enable posting
because I didn't have a paid account, although I had signed up and given
my credit card information. I replied to the support email explaining
this problem. It's been 24 hours with no response. I cancelled the
account. So far I haven't seen a charge from Pureusenet on my credit card.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
In article <uj7uag$2r66r$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
Pureusenet was no better. Again, I couldn't post. I contacted support
and was told I had to select a deeply-buried option to be able to
post. I went to the indicated page and was told I couldn't enable
posting because I didn't have a paid account, although I had signed up
and given my credit card information. I replied to the support email explaining this problem. It's been 24 hours with no response. I
cancelled the account. So far I haven't seen a charge from Pureusenet
on my credit card.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
Mine is easy. Get a VPN subscription and
At least you can access our USenet server.
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> writes:
It appeared to work anyway. However, I got errors trying to post,
saying posting wasn't allowed on my server.
Lots of those providers have separate servers for reading and posting.
Maybe you needed to use a different server from them? Yeah they do
sound lame.
I think those companies' customers mostly want bulk download feeds for binaries, rather than wanting to post.
It appeared to work anyway. However, I got errors trying to post,
saying posting wasn't allowed on my server.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uj7uag$2r66r$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
Pureusenet was no better. Again, I couldn't post. I contacted support
and was told I had to select a deeply-buried option to be able to
post. I went to the indicated page and was told I couldn't enable
posting because I didn't have a paid account, although I had signed up
and given my credit card information. I replied to the support email
explaining this problem. It's been 24 hours with no response. I
cancelled the account. So far I haven't seen a charge from Pureusenet
on my credit card.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
Mine is easy. Get a VPN subscription and
Doesn't everyone use a VPN these days?
It should be the first rule of using the internet.
At least you can access our USenet server.
Nah... there are better Usenet services out there. 'NetKnow IS' propagates >spam to newsgroups I frequent and the news admin doesn't seem to want to
do anything about it!
In article <nnd$7bc8ec37$42bf54b5@0aa4687090104251>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
At least you can access our USenet server.
Nah... there are better Usenet services out there. 'NetKnow IS'
propagates spam to newsgroups I frequent and the news admin doesn't
seem to want to do anything about it!
Drunk as ususal Blueshirt.
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with >>recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
The vast majority of Usenet users today want to download warez from binary >groups and care nothing at all about discussion groups or text. You picked >two servers that cater to them.
On 11/7/23 6:24 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait.
Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
My search for other providers has been a nightmare. First I signed up
with Astraweb. I immediately got a message saying my account had been cancelled. It appeared to work anyway. However, I got errors trying to
post, saying posting wasn't allowed on my server. A search indicates
that's the usual state of affairs with Astraweb. I explicitly cancelled
my account. Nonetheless, they charged my credit card for their worthless service and my account still showed as active this morning. I cancelled
again and told them to remove the charge.
Pureusenet was no better. Again, I couldn't post. I contacted support
and was told I had to select a deeply-buried option to be able to post.
I went to the indicated page and was told I couldn't enable posting
because I didn't have a paid account, although I had signed up and given
my credit card information. I replied to the support email explaining
this problem. It's been 24 hours with no response. I cancelled the
account. So far I haven't seen a charge from Pureusenet on my credit card.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
If you just want text newsgroups, use news.individual.net, 10 Euros a
year, and they do try to filter SPAM.
I've been using them since 2001(!!), when it was news.cis.dfn.de. :-)
In Message-ID:<uj8kb3$4s1$1@panix2.panix.com>,
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
The vast majority of Usenet users today want to download warez from binary >> groups and care nothing at all about discussion groups or text. You picked >> two servers that cater to them.
I don't know why he had a problem with Astraweb, but, as you can see
from my headers, I'm posting from there. I've been doing so for over
10 years.
I won't suggest he try again. But whatever the problem was, I don't
think it's as simple as you're suggesting.
On 11/17/23 9:41 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
If you just want text newsgroups, use news.individual.net, 10 Euros a
year, and they do try to filter SPAM.
I've been using them since 2001(!!), when it was news.cis.dfn.de. :-)
I thought earlier that I'd seen a statement that people registering
needed a German connection, but I can't find that now. I may have
misread it. One of the payment options requires a German bank account,
but PayPal is also an option.
However, I've been burned twice and may be out almost $100 if I can't
get Astraweb's credit card charge voided. For now, Eternal September is
still sometimes slow but good enough. I don't feel like taking more
chances at the moment.
On 11/17/23 9:41 PM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
If you just want text newsgroups, use news.individual.net, 10 Euros a
year, and they do try to filter SPAM.
I've been using them since 2001(!!), when it was news.cis.dfn.de. :-)
I thought earlier that I'd seen a statement that people registering
needed a German connection, but I can't find that now. I may have
misread it. One of the payment options requires a German bank account,
but PayPal is also an option.
However, I've been burned twice and may be out almost $100 if I can't
get Astraweb's credit card charge voided. For now, Eternal September is
still sometimes slow but good enough. I don't feel like taking more
chances at the moment.
I'm not German, although my surname is, (and my father was), they were
amused when I registered. :-)
On 11/7/23 6:24 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
I've been using Eternal September as my Usenet provider out of sheer
inertia. It's clearly dying, though, becoming more like Eternal Wait.
Sometimes it takes several tries to load a message.
My search for other providers has been a nightmare. First I signed up
with Astraweb. I immediately got a message saying my account had been cancelled. It appeared to work anyway. However, I got errors trying to
post, saying posting wasn't allowed on my server. A search indicates
that's the usual state of affairs with Astraweb. I explicitly cancelled
my account. Nonetheless, they charged my credit card for their worthless service and my account still showed as active this morning. I cancelled
again and told them to remove the charge.
Pureusenet was no better. Again, I couldn't post. I contacted support
and was told I had to select a deeply-buried option to be able to post.
I went to the indicated page and was told I couldn't enable posting
because I didn't have a paid account, although I had signed up and given
my credit card information. I replied to the support email explaining
this problem. It's been 24 hours with no response. I cancelled the
account. So far I haven't seen a charge from Pureusenet on my credit card.
This is very disturbing. How can two providers that come with
recommendations stay in business offering a service whose restrictions
make it completely worthless?
Eternal September is working for me (now that I got reconnected).
On the other hand, recent versions of Thunderbird have been shredding entirely too much of my mail, including entangling messages and headers.
I'm seeing that behavior in Lee's response in this thread. So if you're
using T'bird, it may be time to give up on it.
I haven't quite pulled the plug on that yet. Close, though.
Eternal September is working for me (now that I got reconnected).
On the other hand, recent versions of Thunderbird have been shredding entirely too much of my mail, including entangling messages and headers. I'm seeing that behavior in Lee's response in this thread. So if you're using T'bird, it may be time to give up on it.
I haven't quite pulled the plug on that yet. Close, though.
My search hasn't been going well, but just this morning I changed the
server I'm using on Eternal September to news.eternal-september.org ,
and it's working much better. I hadn't updated the server name in years,
so I was probably accessing some old machine of theirs which they'd
nearly forgotten they still have.
On Sat, 3 Feb 2024, Joe Kesselman wrote:
Eternal September is working for me (now that I got reconnected).I recommend alpine for email and news. For only news tin looks quite
On the other hand, recent versions of Thunderbird have been shredding
entirely too much of my mail, including entangling messages and
headers. I'm seeing that behavior in Lee's response in this thread. So
if you're using T'bird, it may be time to give up on it.
I haven't quite pulled the plug on that yet. Close, though.
alright.
If you read this it's working
on Windows 10.
on Windows 10.... Used to use Google Groups but alas they Discontinued >Usenet.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 18:50:55 -0000 (UTC), John Davis <wa8yxm@arrl.net>
wrote:
If you read this it's working
on Windows 10.
It seems to be working.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2024, Joe Kesselman wrote:
Eternal September is working for me (now that I got reconnected).I recommend alpine for email and news. For only news tin looks quite
On the other hand, recent versions of Thunderbird have been shredding
entirely too much of my mail, including entangling messages and
headers. I'm seeing that behavior in Lee's response in this thread. So
if you're using T'bird, it may be time to give up on it.
I haven't quite pulled the plug on that yet. Close, though.
alright.
I am now using the PAN usenet news reader.. If you read this it's working
on Windows 10.... Used to use Google Groups but alas they Discontinued >Usenet.
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In article <ur5gmf$3adi4$1@dont-email.me>, John Davis <wa8yxm@arrl.net> wrote:
I am now using the PAN usenet news reader.. If you read this it's working >>on Windows 10.... Used to use Google Groups but alas they Discontinued >>Usenet.
Looks just fine. Notice how much less spam there is!
--scott
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