• More Google weirdness

    From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 4 21:10:43 2023
    When I did a Google search for "incentivize" (to make sure I was
    spelling that word correctly) it found lots of results, but first
    asked me if I meant "intenctivize." If I click on that, it says
    it found no instances of "intenctivize" and asked me if I meant
    "incentivize."

    I've repeated the process, and sometime it does the same, sometimes it
    instead asks me if I meant "inventivize," and sometimes works normally.

    As for YouTube, /embed/ still works on my HP laptop. Some children's
    videos require this hack, but not all of them.

    On my Dell laptop, YouTube still works fine without this hack, even
    though it too has Ubuntu, Firefox, and Adblocker Plus. Go figure.
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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Nov 5 06:39:59 2023
    On Sat, 04 Nov 2023 21:10:43 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    When I did a Google search for "incentivize" (to make sure I was
    spelling that word correctly) it found lots of results, but first asked
    me if I meant "intenctivize." If I click on that, it says it found no instances of "intenctivize" and asked me if I meant "incentivize."

    I've repeated the process, and sometime it does the same, sometimes it instead asks me if I meant "inventivize," and sometimes works normally.

    As for YouTube, /embed/ still works on my HP laptop. Some children's
    videos require this hack, but not all of them.

    On my Dell laptop, YouTube still works fine without this hack, even
    though it too has Ubuntu, Firefox, and Adblocker Plus. Go figure.

    They must have been surveilling your attempts at "incentivize" and
    fixed the problem just like that! It worked fine for me just now.
    As for /embed/, could you be more specific on how to use it?
    I did the substitution in a Youtube URL, plugged it into the browser's
    address field and got a page-not-found error.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Sun Nov 5 16:41:00 2023
    In article <ui6c0j$l5e$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    If I click on that, it says
    it found no instances of "intenctivize" and asked me if I meant "incentivize."

    Of course, it should be "incentivise". :-)

    (And yes, I know that technically, both spellings are OK in British
    English, but many people will insist that spelling it with a zed is an Americanism. I had a letter published in the Guardian about this this
    year.)

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sun Nov 5 17:29:10 2023
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    Of course, it should be "incentivise". :-)

    (And yes, I know that technically, both spellings are OK in British
    English, but many people will insist that spelling it with a zed is
    an Americanism. I had a letter published in the Guardian about this
    this year.)

    That's exactly why I was looking it up. I've read so much American,
    British, Canadian, and Australian English that I often get them mixed
    up. (I'm currently in the middle of reading Churchill's four-volume
    _A History of the English Speaking People_.) And the built-in spell-
    checker in Emacs didn't accept either spelling.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Sun Nov 5 17:40:46 2023
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    They must have been surveilling your attempts at "incentivize" and
    fixed the problem just like that! It worked fine for me just now.

    Maybe they fixed it, or maybe you just happened to get a different
    server. Google's mirror databases are inconsistent over the short
    term because it would cost too much to always keep them consistent
    with each other. And such consistency is only really necessary for applications such as banking.

    As for /embed/, could you be more specific on how to use it? I did
    the substitution in a Youtube URL, plugged it into the browser's
    address field and got a page-not-found error.

    Sorry, I described it in two recent posts here, so I didn't think I
    needed to keep doing it. Replace "/watch?v=" with "/embed/" in each
    YouTube URL (without the quotes). Simply click on a video as normal
    and start playing it. When it freezes after a second or two and tells
    you to disable your ad blocker, go to the URL in the URL bar and make
    the above replacement. Unfortunately, you lose the ability to view
    any comments. And you sometimes lose the use of j, k, and l to
    control the playback. But you can still control the size, resolution,
    speed, and volume as usual. And you can pause or move around with the
    trackpad or mouse.
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Sun Nov 5 17:50:00 2023
    In article <ui8jd6$1b1$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    And the built-in spell-
    checker in Emacs didn't accept either spelling.

    Both spellings are in the Chambers Dictionary app I have on this computer (which seems to be the 2013 paper edition digitised).

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sun Nov 5 17:57:20 2023
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    Both spellings are in the Chambers Dictionary app I have on this
    computer (which seems to be the 2013 paper edition digitised).

    I guess Emacs doesn't use that dictionary.

    Anyhow, happy Guy Fawkes Day. It's a good think you currently have a
    Charles, not a James, on the throne. He doesn't have to worry about
    being blown up, but he might want to watch for sharp objects near
    his neck. (Too soon?)
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Mon Nov 6 12:21:00 2023
    In article <ui8l20$q6u$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    Anyhow, happy Guy Fawkes Day. It's a good think you currently have a Charles, not a James, on the throne. He doesn't have to worry about
    being blown up, but he might want to watch for sharp objects near
    his neck. (Too soon?)

    When I were a lad, we never celebrated Guy Fawkes day on a Sunday. If
    the 5th was a Sunday, we'd have our fireworks a day earlier. That was in
    the days when most shops weren't allowed to open on Sundays.

    And every family would buy their own fireworks and light a bonfire in
    their garden. I remember one year a neighbour's rocket went astray and narrowly missed my grandfather. As he served in WW1, I wonder if that
    gave him any problems.

    It was traditional for kids to make a dummy, dress it in old clothes, put
    a Guy Fawkes mask on it and go around the streets saying, "Penny for the
    guy". The money was to purchase fireworks, although how many pennies
    you'd need these days to buy even a small banger is a question I can't
    answer. This was more popular than Trick-or-treating, which was not
    something I remember doing.

    But since then, municipal firework displays have become the norm, except
    this year, local councils have been feeling the pinch and there was no
    public display in Guildford, although I heard a few fireworks going off
    up till midnight.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Nov 7 02:53:04 2023
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    When I were a lad, we never celebrated Guy Fawkes day on a Sunday.

    Americans don't celebrate it at all. Most have never heard of it.
    They may have seen Guy Fawkes masks, but typically have no idea who he
    was, or whether he was real or was part of some movie franchise like
    Freddy Krueger or Frankenstein's Monster.

    Speaking of which, yesterday I said to my brother, with whom I often
    watch movies on weekends:

    Remember, remember, the fifth of November
    I see no reason why we should not
    watch a movie about the Gunpowder Plot.

    We couldn't find a movie of reasonable length (rather than much too
    long or much too short) that we could watch online for free, but we
    did find a documentary, called The Real Story of Guy Fawkes, so we
    watched that. (He and I are both fascinated by history.)

    This was more popular than Trick-or-treating, which was not
    something I remember doing.

    Apparently, Trick-or-treating originated in Canada in the 20th
    century, though there was something similar called "guising" in
    Scotland earlier.

    I don't know why the US doesn't have Guy Fawkes day. The plot
    happened before there were any English colonies in what eventually
    became the US. Though it was surprisingly close. Fawkes was executed
    in January 1606 and the first colonists sailed for Virginia in
    December of that year. (Not counting the earlier failed "Virginia"
    colony in what's now North Carolina.)

    I'm actually not sure whether January or December came first in 1606
    in England. Was New Year's Day in January or in the spring?

    Getting back to Google weirdness, I discovered an interesting YouTube
    channel which is immune to the new adblocker blocker. It's called
    "Violin MD."
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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Nov 7 06:06:05 2023
    On 11/6/23 9:53 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I don't know why the US doesn't have Guy Fawkes day. The plot
    happened before there were any English colonies in what eventually
    became the US. Though it was surprisingly close. Fawkes was executed
    in January 1606 and the first colonists sailed for Virginia in
    December of that year. (Not counting the earlier failed "Virginia"
    colony in what's now North Carolina.)

    I'm actually not sure whether January or December came first in 1606
    in England. Was New Year's Day in January or in the spring?

    It's a confusing question. I came upon this just now:

    Since about 1600 most countries have used 1 January as the first day of
    the year. Italy and England, however, did not make 1 January official
    until around 1750.

    In England (but not Scotland) three different years were used:

    The historical year, which started on 1 January.

    The liturgical year, which started on the first Sunday in advent.

    The civil year, which

    from the 7th to the 12th century started on 25 December,
    from the 12th century until 1751 started on 25 March,
    from 1752 started on 1 January.


    https://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/year-history.html

    As for why we don't have Guy Fawkes Day, the 4th of July seems to
    satisfy the same need for fireworks.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Andy Leighton@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Nov 7 10:18:03 2023
    On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 02:53:04 -0000 (UTC),
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:

    This was more popular than Trick-or-treating, which was not
    something I remember doing.

    We did have Halloween parties some years with apple-bobbing and
    the like, but definitely no trick-or-treating.

    Apparently, Trick-or-treating originated in Canada in the 20th
    century, though there was something similar called "guising" in
    Scotland earlier.

    Guising is a bit different as the idea is that the kid had to
    do something - tell a joke, sing a song, recite a poem etc to get
    their reward.

    --
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    "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
    - Douglas Adams

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Tue Nov 7 11:31:00 2023
    In article <uic8qg$mvv$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    I'm actually not sure whether January or December came first in 1606
    in England. Was New Year's Day in January or in the spring?

    If you look at the death warrant for Charles I, you can see the date as
    January year Anno Domini 1648:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Death_warrant_of_Charl es_I.jpg

    However, the date of Charles's death is usually given as January 1649.

    The BBC did a reconstruction of the trial a few years ago with actors, interspersed with examining the documents in the case. The actual
    documents showed 1648, even though the bits you could see in the
    reconstruction said 1649.

    (Similarly, apparently the memorial to Isaac Newton in Westminster Abbey
    gives his year of death as 1726, not 1727.)

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Andy Leighton on Tue Nov 7 11:31:00 2023
    In article <slrnukk3mr.3g7tc.andyl@azaal.plus.com>, andyl@azaal.plus.com
    (Andy Leighton) wrote:


    We did have Halloween parties some years with apple-bobbing and
    the like, but definitely no trick-or-treating.

    Yes, I rememberer one of those when I was in the scouts in the sixties.

    I also remember we made Halloween lanterns out of turnips or swedes.
    Pumpkins started appearing later.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Nov 7 12:19:11 2023
    On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 11:31 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <slrnukk3mr.3g7tc.andyl@azaal.plus.com>, andyl@azaal.plus.com >(Andy Leighton) wrote:


    We did have Halloween parties some years with apple-bobbing and
    the like, but definitely no trick-or-treating.

    Yes, I rememberer one of those when I was in the scouts in the sixties.

    I also remember we made Halloween lanterns out of turnips or swedes.
    Pumpkins started appearing later.

    I had to look up "swedes" (my initial reaction being, "didn't they
    object to being made into lanterns?) Here they're called rutabagas.
    --

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 16:11:28 2023
    On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:06:05 -0500, Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com>
    wrote:

    As for why we don't have Guy Fawkes Day, the 4th of July seems to
    satisfy the same need for fireworks.

    Besides July 4th commemorates a revolution that succeeded.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Wed Nov 8 00:56:41 2023
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    As for why we don't have Guy Fawkes Day, the 4th of July seems to
    satisfy the same need for fireworks.

    As you know, Bob^H^H^H Gary, we have them on New Year's too.

    And Disneyland and Disneyworld have them every night.

    Besides July 4th commemorates a revolution that succeeded.

    So? The British think it's good that the gunpowder plot failed, hence
    worthy of celebration. If our revolution had failed, perhaps the
    British would celebrate July 4th and Americans wouldn't.
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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Nov 7 21:05:39 2023
    On 11/7/23 7:56 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    As for why we don't have Guy Fawkes Day, the 4th of July seems to
    satisfy the same need for fireworks.

    As you know, Bob^H^H^H Gary, we have them on New Year's too.

    And Disneyland and Disneyworld have them every night.

    Besides July 4th commemorates a revolution that succeeded.

    So? The British think it's good that the gunpowder plot failed, hence
    worthy of celebration. If our revolution had failed, perhaps the
    British would celebrate July 4th and Americans wouldn't.

    I'd put the alternate date of celebration at October 17. The scenario is
    that instead of being decisively defeated at Saratoga, Burgoyne wins a
    smashing victory, putting an end to the uprising. This could well have
    happened if the French, prodded and financed by Auguste Caron de
    Beaumarchais (author of The Barber of Seville and the Marriage of
    Figaro), hadn't come through with the armaments that enabled the
    colonists to win there.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Wed Nov 8 12:47:00 2023
    In article <uiemc9$les$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    As you know, Bob^H^H^H Gary, we have them on New Year's too.

    Same in the UK.

    I see it's Diwali this weekend, another occasion for fireworks.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Wed Nov 8 12:47:00 2023
    In article <to6lkita3si4bn1f3hl7b7oegmntj944f9@4ax.com>, tppm@ca.rr.com
    (Tim Merrigan) wrote:


    I had to look up "swedes" (my initial reaction being, "didn't they
    object to being made into lanterns?) Here they're called rutabagas.

    Coincidentally, a columnist in the paper recently was wondering what a
    rutabaga was.

    There's also a confusion as to turnip and swede. The names are swapped
    in the north of England.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Nov 9 02:29:52 2023
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    I see it's Diwali this weekend, another occasion for fireworks.

    Good. Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    I was never prejudiced before, but I certainly am now. I was unable
    to watch a math lecture where the speaker had that accent which I now
    associate entirely with scammers, crooks, and liars, since 99% of the
    time I hear it it's someone trying to cheat me.
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  • From Andy Leighton@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Nov 9 09:06:05 2023
    On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 02:29:52 -0000 (UTC),
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    I see it's Diwali this weekend, another occasion for fireworks.

    Good. Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    Yep we get them. Depending on how busy I am I tend to keep them
    on the line for a bit - my keyboard with no key between ctrl and
    alt (or command) throws them a bit. Then the fact I am not running
    a GUI (well I do on some machines - but I don't tell them that) really
    throws them. At other times they hang up as soon as I say "Is that
    right?" - I must have perfected the right tone that they don't even
    bother.

    --
    Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
    "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
    - Douglas Adams

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Thu Nov 9 12:13:00 2023
    In article <uihg70$7pf$3@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    Good. Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    I bought a new landline phone earlier this year and you can set up an
    allowed callers list. If the caller is not on the list, the phone
    doesn't ring and the caller can leave a message. So far, no one has.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Nov 9 17:45:46 2023
    On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 12:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <uihg70$7pf$3@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    Good. Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    I bought a new landline phone earlier this year and you can set up an
    allowed callers list. If the caller is not on the list, the phone
    doesn't ring and the caller can leave a message. So far, no one has.

    I looked at changing broadband provider recently - lots of new! fibre!
    deals come without a landline - it's a UK gvmnt thing to do away with
    landlines by 2025? soon, anyhow. Hope your phone is OK after that date.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to John on Fri Nov 10 01:09:14 2023
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
    I bought a new landline phone earlier this year and you can set up
    an allowed callers list. If the caller is not on the list, the
    phone doesn't ring and the caller can leave a message. So far, no
    one has.

    That's not practical for people who need to be accessible to people
    from any number.

    A friend of mine got a well-paying job that required her to be
    available via phone on the night shift. She was warned that maybe
    there would sometimes be emergencies requiring that she be reachable
    during the day, when she was asleep. But that this would be at most
    two or three times per year. These calls might be from any number.
    She agreed to that.

    She had to quit that job, due to scam calls from India waking her up
    multiple times per hour. This loss has cost her hundreds of thousands
    of dollars. So I'm not surprised that she harbors very un-feminine
    ideas on what to do about it. Ideas that involve drone bombing of
    known call-center sites on the subcontinent. I've tried to convince
    her that sanctions, and pulling the plug on India's international
    cables, should be tried first.

    I looked at changing broadband provider recently - lots of new!
    fibre! deals come without a landline - it's a UK gvmnt thing to do
    away with landlines by 2025? soon, anyhow. Hope your phone is OK
    after that date.

    There are VOIP providers in the US, i.e. bring your own broadband
    provider, physical landline phone, and power outlet, and they provide
    a small device that links them and provides phone service. I've used
    such a service for nine years. To move my phone line when I moved
    house this summer, I just put the small device in my shirt pocket. It
    costs a lot less than traditional landline service, and it includes
    unlimited (domestic) long distance calls.

    Of course phasing out landlines would screw anyone without broadband
    or a cell phone. I was surprised when I heard that after Superstorm
    Sandy wrecked lots of telephone infrastructure 11 years ago, that
    instead of fixing it the phone companies in the affected areas
    provided fixed-location cell service that charged by the minute and
    that dialup modems wouldn't work with. (Traditional landlines in the
    US give unlimited local service rather than charging by the minute.
    And plenty of people at the time, including me, still used dialup
    rather than broadband to access the Internet.)
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Andy Leighton on Fri Nov 10 01:48:53 2023
    Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    Yep we get them. Depending on how busy I am I tend to keep them on
    the line for a bit -

    Me too. So that may be partly my fault. One of my suggestions to
    them is that they harass British rather than Americans, since *we*
    never colonized or oppressed them.

    But then I also think that if India was still part of the Empire, that
    the King would lock up the scammers in the Tower of London. (He may
    need to enlarge that building first.)

    my keyboard with no key between ctrl and alt (or command) throws
    them a bit. Then the fact I am not running a GUI (well I do on
    some machines - but I don't tell them that) really throws them.

    From that I gather that they all claim to be Microsoft. I've gotten
    that, but I've also gotten dozens of other scams. They often pretend
    to be from various parts of the US government, or to be from "your
    TV services" or "your power company." One claimed to live here in
    Vienna, Virginia, while mispronouncing both "Vienna" and "Virginia."
    Solar installers. My car insurance company. (I've never had a car.)
    Something diabetes-related. (I've never had diabetes.) Most of them
    are very skittish and hang up the instant I go off script -- which
    doesn't keep them from calling back. But some are willing to argue,
    insisting they're not scammers and are not in India. Often they curse
    at me. Occasionally they accuse me of wasting their time.

    At other times they hang up as soon as I say "Is that right?" - I
    must have perfected the right tone that they don't even bother.

    I've got you beat -- sometimes they hang up as soon as I say "Hello."
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Andy Leighton@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Nov 10 09:23:42 2023
    On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 01:48:53 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Maybe that will cut down on the vast number of scam phone calls
    from India. Does Britain get them too? Or just the US?

    Yep we get them. Depending on how busy I am I tend to keep them on
    the line for a bit -

    Me too. So that may be partly my fault. One of my suggestions to
    them is that they harass British rather than Americans, since *we*
    never colonized or oppressed them.

    But then I also think that if India was still part of the Empire, that
    the King would lock up the scammers in the Tower of London. (He may
    need to enlarge that building first.)

    my keyboard with no key between ctrl and alt (or command) throws
    them a bit. Then the fact I am not running a GUI (well I do on
    some machines - but I don't tell them that) really throws them.

    From that I gather that they all claim to be Microsoft. I've gotten
    that, but I've also gotten dozens of other scams.

    Very often, at others they pretend to be from BT (and also talk
    about a fault on my internet). I guess they just want me to download
    and run a remote control software package. I haven't got enough time
    to setup a disposable VM and play with them although I have seen
    videos of people doing that.

    to be from various parts of the US government, or to be from "your
    TV services" or "your power company." One claimed to live here in
    Vienna, Virginia, while mispronouncing both "Vienna" and "Virginia."
    Solar installers. My car insurance company. (I've never had a car.) Something diabetes-related. (I've never had diabetes.)

    I don't get any of those any more. I have in the distant past had
    someone phone about "a car accident I had" (like you I am a non-driver).
    Even argued that it could have been when I was a passenger when I said
    I didn't drive.

    --
    Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
    "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
    - Douglas Adams

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Fri Nov 10 09:57:09 2023
    On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 01:48:53 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    But then I also think that if India was still part of the Empire, that
    the King would lock up the scammers in the Tower of London. (He may
    need to enlarge that building first.)

    Actually, I suspect that if India (et al) were still part of the
    empire, the owners of the boiler rooms the operators work in would be Anglo-Indians.
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Andy Leighton on Sat Nov 11 22:25:32 2023
    Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
    Very often, at others they pretend to be from BT (and also talk
    about a fault on my internet).

    The ones I get seldom name a legitimate company. Usually it's "your
    TV service," "your telephone service," "your power company," or "your
    insurance company." Obviously they have no idea what companies I do
    business with. I've never heard of a legitimate business that doesn't
    use its name, and only says "we're your power company" (or whatever)
    if I express puzzlement as to what that company does.

    I don't know how anyone falls for such blatant scams. Indeed, by this
    point I find it difficult to believe *anything* said by someone with
    that accent, regardless of context.

    I guess they just want me to download and run a remote control
    software package. I haven't got enough time to setup a disposable VM
    and play with them although I have seen videos of people doing that.

    I've also seen videos of people hacking into *their* computer, showing knowledge of their scam's org chart, chatting with them in their
    native language, phoning the people they recently scammed to warn
    them, etc. I hope those videos are all real.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Nov 17 06:48:00 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-5, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <ui6c0j$l5e$1...@reader2.panix.com>, k...@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    If I click on that, it says
    it found no instances of "intenctivize" and asked me if I meant "incentivize."
    Of course, it should be "incentivise". :-)

    (And yes, I know that technically, both spellings are OK in British
    English, but many people will insist that spelling it with a zed is an Americanism. I had a letter published in the Guardian about this this
    year.)

    I'm partial to the back-formation, "incent."

    [quote]

    The Oxford English Dictionary‘s first citation for the word appears in an 1840 issue of the Rover, a New York literary weekly:

    [/quote]

    https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2008/06/to-incent-and-incense.html

    --
    Kevin R

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