• MT VOID, 09/10/21 -- Vol. 40, No. 11, Whole Number 2188

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    09/10/21 -- Vol. 40, No. 11, Whole Number 2188

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    Topics:
    More Mini-Reviews (FRENCH EXIT, AFTER THE DARK, ZOMBIES ON
    BROADWAY) (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper)
    THE ESCAPEMENT by Lavie Tidhar (book review by Joe Karpierz)
    Robby the Robot (letters of comment by Keith F. Lynch,
    Kevin R, and Dorothy J. Heydt)
    Alaric the Goth (letters of comment by Fred Lerner
    and Paul Dormer)
    This Week's Reading (THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: More Mini-Reviews (FRENCH EXIT, AFTER THE DARK,
    ZOMBIES ON BROADWAY) (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper)

    FRENCH EXIT (2020): FRENCH EXIT is about a self-absorbed woman used
    to living a high and very expensive lifestyle who finds herself
    broke and relocates with her son to Paris. The film features a
    large number of strange characters, and was filmed mostly in Paris.
    The story also involves a talking cat. Available on DVD. Rating:
    +1 (-4 to +4).

    AFTER THE DARK (2013): At its final session, a philosophy symposium
    experiences its philosophic questions happening in reality.
    Specifically, the issue is how to preserve the human race after a
    nuclear war. The viewer may compare their opinions with those of
    philosophers. There are special effects, but they are rudimentary.
    Sadly, the film winds down near the end, but it rises above most
    films found, as this was, on a multi-film themed DVD. Rating: low
    +3 (-4 to +4).

    ZOMBIES ON BROADWAY (1945): RKO's zombie series really had only one
    good film, I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE. ZOMBIES ON BROADWAY shares two
    very noticeable actors with that film, Sir Lancelot and Darby
    Jones. This is a somewhat racist comedy, with the "comedy" team of
    Alan Carney and Wally Brown, probably inspired by Abbott and
    Costello, but there is nothing very funny in the "humor." These
    days it is a very rare film to find on television (TCM showed it
    eight times between 1998 and 2007, then once again in 2015, and not
    since.) This film is yet more evidence that Bela Lugosi would act
    in any film that would pay him. (This is known as LOONIES ON
    BROADWAY in the UK.) Rating: -1 (-4 to +4)

    [-mrl]

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    TOPIC: THE ESCAPEMENT by Lavie Tidhar (copyright 2021, Tachyon
    Publications, ISBN 9781616963279, $16.95) (book review by Joe
    Karpierz)

    THE ESCAPEMENT, by Lavie Tidhar, is quite possibly the weirdest
    book I have ever read. And no, I'm not saying it as if it's a bad
    thing. It just, well, is.

    I was going to try to be be clever, using a dictionary definition
    of the word "escapement" to help describe the book. The website
    dictionary.com has five definitions of the word escapement, none of
    which (for me) accurately describe the book. The website
    thesaurus.com wasn't much better. It gave eight synonyms for the
    word escapement, but I wasn't satisfied with any one of them.

    It figures. The book defies description. But that's not a bad
    thing. It's really a good thing. How many books do readers comes
    across these days that are so different, so offbeat, so ... weird,
    that they defy description? Not many. But we certainly have one
    here.

    The Escapement (not the book, but the setting), is an alternate,
    parallel world populated with all sorts of weird creatures and
    occurrences. It is not unusual, to see on any given day, clowns
    (sometimes vicious), mimes (also sometimes vicious), bounty
    hunters, tarot cards, and giants made of stone. There are
    unexplained wars occurring, including wars between symbols. Heck,
    wars between different clown factions are referred to. The
    landscape is sometimes surrealistic, invoking images that remind
    the reader of Salvador Dali. We meet a version of John Wayne Gacy
    (as a clown, of course), who is nearly impossible to kill. It's
    ... weird. But that's not a bad thing.

    Our protagonist, if he can be called that, is known as "the
    Stranger". He has come to the Escapement to search for a
    particular flower, the "Ur-shanabi", the Plant of Heartbeat. He
    has come from our reality, the one we are familiar with, where his
    son is dying in a hospital. Our reality is known as that "other
    place", and there are ways of intentionally travelling between the
    two worlds, all of which involve the use of mind-altering
    chemicals, whether it be alcohol or drugs. Sometimes the Stranger
    can see across to the other worlds. It's ... weird. But that's
    not a bad thing.

    Without giving anything away, THE ESCAPEMENT tells the story of the
    Stranger looking for the aforementioned plant in order to help save
    his son back in our world. But while that's the story element the
    novel hangs its hat on, it is almost such a minor point as to be
    almost irrelevant. THE ESCAPEMENT is really Tidhar's excuse for
    taking a whole bunch of literary references and dumping them into
    one story to see if he can make them fit together. And if he
    can't, so what? Yes, there's a narrative thread to follow
    throughout the book, but it's only here in order for Tidhar to
    masterfully weave all sorts of different things together that make
    the reader's brain explode, or at the very least make readers shake
    their heads in bewilderment, but, ultimately, wonderment.

    A few weeks ago as I write this Lavie Tidhar was a guest on The
    Coode Street Podcast. When talking about THE ESCAPEMENT, he said
    "that book is just weird". And I agree with him. But it's not a
    bad weird. It's a good weird. It's a book that doesn't telegraph
    where it's going. It's also a book that feels like it doesn't know
    where it's going until it gets there. But it's not predictable by
    any stretch of the imagination. And it does stretch the reader's
    imagination in a very good way. It's something different, and
    something weird. And in this case, it's a very good thing. [-jak]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Robby the Robot (letters of comment by Keith F. Lynch, Kevin
    R, and Dorothy J. Heydt)

    In response to comments on Robby the Robot in the 09/03/21 issue of
    the MT VOID, Keith F. Lynch writes:

    [Following up on his uncertainty about Robby being in "Condemned of
    Space"]

    Okay, I just rewatched it, and technically you're right. Each
    episode ended with a brief teaser for the following episode. The
    last two seconds of "Ghost in Space" show Robby, as they're a
    teaser for the following episode, "War of the Robots."

    That reminds me of the nitpick about when Curly and Shemp appeared
    together, creating a Three Stooges short with four stooges. Most
    sources say that only happened in "Hold that Lion!" It also
    happened in "Booty and the Beast," but that used the exact same
    footage as "Hold that Lion!" [-kfl]

    Kevin R responds:

    [Regarding "technically" being right]

    ...which, on USENET, is sometimes the most satisfying way to be
    right. :-)

    Those teasers bugged me, but they were supposed to, borrowing the
    movie serials' "cliffhanger" chapter endings. They fit better on
    the Wednesday night showings of BATMAN, which, when it was cut back
    to one weekly episode for the final season, shifted to teasers.
    IMS, THE TIME TUNNEL used them, too, as Doug and Tony always
    escaped one horrible fate at the end of an episode, only to be
    switched to another era with its own dangers to be confronted.
    Both THE TIME TUNNEL and LOST IN SPACE were Irwin Allen shows.

    Some of the Stooges shorts had only 2 Stooges, arguably:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemp_Howard#The_%22Fake_Shemps%22_a
    nd_legacy>

    I was a big Shemp fan. [-kr]

    Regarding Disney's contributions to FORBIDDEN PLANET, Dorothy
    J. Heydt writes:

    Once long ago, when Bjo Trimble was living in LA, I visited her and
    she decided to take me to meet Forry Ackerman. So we drove up to
    his house. He wasn't home, but his door was unlocked and Bjo took
    me on in. We saw lots of neat artwork, and lying on his desk was a
    concept drawing of the Id Monster. It was a pencil drawing that
    neither moved around nor flashed in and out, and I could see
    clearly what it looked like.

    You'll remember Morbius telling his visitors that the Krell didn't
    make pictures, and that the only clue he had as to what they looked
    like was the shape of their doorways.

    But the visitor (and the aucience) have already seen the plaster
    cast of the monster's foot, with its huge pad and long claw.

    The Id Monster in the drawing had the body shape of a Krell, with
    two heavy clawed feet under it. It had no hands.

    No wonder the Krell wanted to get past the need for any physical instrumentality!

    But it had the face of an ape, with the fangs of a full-grown male
    chimpanzee.

    I forget the name of the Disney artist who designed that
    thing.(*) But he was good.

    * If I were at home I could get the DVD out, but I'm at a gaming
    convention, helping Hal shill for the gaming convention we're going
    to be running next February, Deo volente. (We had to cancel the
    one scheduled for this year.) [-djh]

    Kevin R responds:

    Happy shilling!

    I think Joshua Meador is the animator in question.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Meador>

    <https://outline.com/ceXw5s>

    which is:

    <https://cdispatch.com/lifestyles/2011-08-21/rufus-ward-josh- meador-and-the-forbidden-planet/>

    <https://www.oscars.org/events/mysteries-krell-making-forbidden-
    planet>

    [-kr]

    Dorothy replies:

    Yes! That's what I saw [a copy of] on Forry's desk.

    Cool, is it not? [-djh]

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    TOPIC: Alaric the Goth (letters of comment by Fred Lerner and Paul
    Dormer)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on ALARIC THE GOTH in the 09/03/21
    issue of the MT VOID, Fred Lerner writes:

    How do the books you mentioned (ALARIC THE GOTH: AN OUTSIDER'S
    HISTORY OF THE FALL OF ROME by Douglas Boin and THE FALL OF THE
    ROMAN EMPIRE by Michael Grant) compare with THE FALL OF ROME by
    R.A. Lafferty? [-fl]

    And Paul Dormer writes:

    There's actually an R. A. Lafferty historical novel about Alaric--
    ALARIC: THE DAY THE WORLD ENDED, a.k.a. THE FALL OF ROME. [-pd]

    Evelyn responds:

    If I had read Lafferty's THE FALL OF ROME, it was years ago, so I
    went back to look at it now. The first thing to note is that
    people cannot seem to agree on whether Lafferty's book is a
    history, or historical fiction, or something in between.

    Worldcat.org calls it history. Kirkus Reviews thinks it is
    history, but badly written. The review on LibraryThing.com calls
    it a historical novel. The consensus on GoodReads.com seems to be
    something in between. (FantasticFiction.com calls it a novel,
    refers to it as history, and lists its genre as science fiction, so
    they're all over the place.)

    I would lean away from treating it as faithful history, based on
    Lafferty's claims that the Goths had positional notation for
    numbers, and also the concept of zero, but whether it's a
    historical novel is not clear. Lafferty also seems to include a
    lot of Alaric's early history, which Boin had said was largely
    unknown. At any rate, the style is that of a novel, and the
    history of it is not to be relied on. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL by Nghi Vo (Tordotcom, ISBN 978-1-250-
    78478-0) had to wait for its time to come--and 2021 was its time.
    Why? Because THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL is a retelling, or a
    refashioning, of THE GREAT GATSBY by F. Scott Fitzgerald, and 2021
    was when THE GREAT GATSBY came into public domain. (See <http://leepers.us/evelyn/reviews/rev-f.htm#gatsby> for my comments
    on THE GREAT GATSBY.)

    THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL differs from THE GREAT GATSBY in two
    major ways. First (and most obviously) it is told from the point
    of view of Jordan Baker. And while she is still a tennis star, in
    THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL she is Vietnamese and bisexual.

    The second is that in Vo's world of Gatsby et al there is magic.
    Daisy's name before she married Tom was Daisy Fay, and the
    ambiguity is intentional. Some of the magic is overt, e.g., paper-
    cutting magic. But much is ambiguous.

    For example, Jordan looks at Nick and notices that "[he] looked
    dubious, but I could tell that wouldn't last. He had come to
    Gatsby's party, he had eaten the food, he had fallen under Gatsby's
    spell. It was already too late." In a realistic novel (like
    Fitzgerald's version), the "spell" would be metaphorical. In Vo's
    world, it is the real spell of the faery world, where if you eat
    their food, you are trapped.

    When Jordan says, "Young girls would rent out their bodies for ten
    minutes, an hour, or a day, and though there were charms to prevent
    pregnancy, injury, and disease, more than one girl opened her eyes
    to find herself in trouble with some group or other, whether it was
    the law, one of the organized crime factions, or some dupe man who
    had been entranced by canny eyes in a fresh young face," you think
    she is simply referring to prostitution. But when she goes on, "I
    ... came to the conclusion that if I were in their position, I
    would be a fair amount more clever than they were about who got to
    sit behind their faces," and you realize that what is going on is
    that the girls are renting out their bodies to be worn like a suit
    by someone else's personality/soul. (Possibly Vo was inspired by
    Robert Silverberg's classic story, "Passengers".)

    So by the time we get to "a hall roofed in what Gatsby told us was
    the longest night of the year in some town in Norway," we are not
    totally surprised to fin out that they "stood in that hall for
    several minutes, letting the Norwegian winter cool us down as
    shimmering green and violet lights danced above our heads."

    It probably goes without saying that one should read THE GREAT
    GATSBY before reading THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL. (Apparently
    this book is now on high school reading lists, so it is much more
    widely read anyway than when I was growing up.) But I definitely
    recommend THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Mark Leeper
    mleeper@optonline.net


    The nose of a bulldog has been slanted backwards
    so that he can breathe without letting go.
    --Winston Churchill

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com on Sun Sep 12 15:57:00 2021
    In article <3df2d0cb-6b00-47e8-a210-1372dce1eaf0n@googlegroups.com>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:

    The first thing to note is that
    people cannot seem to agree on whether Lafferty's book is a
    history, or historical fiction, or something in between.

    Co-incidentally, I've just been reading a biography of the last Shogun of Japan. You could have a similar discussion about that. In the
    introduction, it is suggest it is a similar work to Shelby Foote's Civil
    war history.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sun Sep 12 17:10:21 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
    The first thing to note is that people cannot seem to agree on
    whether Lafferty's book is a history, or historical fiction, or
    something in between.

    Co-incidentally, I've just been reading a biography of the last
    Shogun of Japan. You could have a similar discussion about that.
    In the introduction, it is suggest it is a similar work to Shelby
    Foote's Civil war history.

    I'm reminded of Alex Haley's best-selling _Roots_, and the miniseries
    based on it. At the time I'm pretty sure it was described and marketed
    at non-fiction, but today it's universally described as fiction.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Sep 12 16:13:18 2021
    On 9/12/21 1:10 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I'm reminded of Alex Haley's best-selling _Roots_, and the miniseries
    based on it. At the time I'm pretty sure it was described and marketed
    at non-fiction, but today it's universally described as fiction.


    Haley was sued for plagiarizing from a novel called _The African_. He
    admitted that "various materials from The African by Harold Courtlander
    found their way into his book Roots." The matter was settled for an
    undisclosed sum rumored to be in the 6-digit range.

    You need to watch those manuscripts of yours carefully, or things you
    didn't write might "find their way" in while you're sleeping.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Sun Sep 12 20:49:57 2021
    In article <shln0v$362$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 9/12/21 1:10 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I'm reminded of Alex Haley's best-selling _Roots_, and the miniseries
    based on it. At the time I'm pretty sure it was described and marketed
    at non-fiction, but today it's universally described as fiction.


    Haley was sued for plagiarizing from a novel called _The African_. He >admitted that "various materials from The African by Harold Courtlander
    found their way into his book Roots." The matter was settled for an >undisclosed sum rumored to be in the 6-digit range.

    You need to watch those manuscripts of yours carefully, or things you
    didn't write might "find their way" in while you're sleeping.

    If you want to source someone else's work, do it consciously, not
    accidentally, and if possible, source someone who's out of
    copyright.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Sep 12 15:18:45 2021
    On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 5:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <shln0v$362$1...@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 9/12/21 1:10 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I'm reminded of Alex Haley's best-selling _Roots_, and the miniseries
    based on it. At the time I'm pretty sure it was described and marketed
    at non-fiction, but today it's universally described as fiction.


    Haley was sued for plagiarizing from a novel called _The African_. He >admitted that "various materials from The African by Harold Courtlander >found their way into his book Roots." The matter was settled for an >undisclosed sum rumored to be in the 6-digit range.

    You need to watch those manuscripts of yours carefully, or things you >didn't write might "find their way" in while you're sleeping.

    If you want to source someone else's work, do it consciously, not accidentally, and if possible, source someone who's out of
    copyright.



    Doris Kearns Goodwin got caught, also.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversy

    [The WEEKLY STANDARD article that the contretemps:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/a-historian-and-her-sources-2088 ]

    As was Steven Ambrose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism

    Then there was the Rev /M/r/ Dr MLK, Jr:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr._authorship_issues

    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/11/us/boston-u-panel-finds-plagiarism-by-dr-king.html

    Then there is our US plagiarist-in-chief.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/plagiarism-scandal-joe-biden-first-presidential-run-1988-2019-3

    He was let off the hook by one "source," Neil Kinnock.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/07/neil-kinnock-joe-biden-1987-scandal

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Mon Sep 13 07:53:14 2021
    On 9/12/21 6:18 PM, Kevrob wrote:
    Doris Kearns Goodwin got caught, also.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversy

    [The WEEKLY STANDARD article that the contretemps:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/a-historian-and-her-sources-2088 ]

    As was Steven Ambrose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism

    Then there was the Rev /M/r/ Dr MLK, Jr:


    However, Lobachevsky wasn't guilty of plagiarism. Tom Lehrer wrote a
    song smearing him for no better reason than that the name scanned to the
    tune.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Mon Sep 13 13:02:24 2021
    In article <shne3c$2sl$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 9/12/21 6:18 PM, Kevrob wrote:
    Doris Kearns Goodwin got caught, also.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin#Plagiarism_controversy

    [The WEEKLY STANDARD article that the contretemps:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/a-historian-and-her-sources-2088 ]

    As was Steven Ambrose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism

    Then there was the Rev /M/r/ Dr MLK, Jr:


    However, Lobachevsky wasn't guilty of plagiarism. Tom Lehrer wrote a
    song smearing him for no better reason than that the name scanned to the >tune.

    As we all probably know, Lobachevsky and Bolyai were working on
    the same problem, found the solution *around* the same time. But
    Bolyai's father made him wait to publish his findings as part of
    the father's next publication. Lobachevsky had many problems in
    his life,* but a stern parent who said "You can't publish till I
    do" was not one of them.

    _____
    *Poul Anderson did some research thereon for the last segment of
    _Operation Chaos._

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Mon Sep 13 20:07:06 2021
    On 9/13/21 9:02 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    As we all probably know, Lobachevsky and Bolyai were working on
    the same problem, found the solution *around* the same time. But
    Bolyai's father made him wait to publish his findings as part of
    the father's next publication. Lobachevsky had many problems in
    his life,* but a stern parent who said "You can't publish till I
    do" was not one of them.

    I came across a different account while researching _Spells of War_. (As
    I've said before, the novel is an excuse for the research. Hungary is a
    focal point.) According to this version, Farkas Bolyai had spent much of
    his life trying to prove Euclid's 5th postulate from the first four. His
    son Janos took up the effort, and the father was afraid that Janos would
    obsess over it to the point of wrecking his life. Both Lobachevsky and
    J. Bolyai discovered that there are self-consistent geometries where the
    fifth postulate isn't true.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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