• I learn something new every day

    From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 20 03:53:08 2021
    I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
    not be spam.

    I am MacK William UN, a senior officer at John F. Willians
    International Airport (JFK) New York.

    I never knew that that's who JFK airport was named for. But
    it makes perfect sense. If K can stand for potassium, it can
    certainly stand for Willians. And we all remember the tragic
    assasination of John F. Willians by Lee Harvey Armold.

    I have contacted you regarding an abandoned diplomatic ATM Card.
    The x-ray scan report of the ATM Card revealed some US dollar bill
    in it which could be approximately 5Million dollars and the official
    paper of the ATM MASTER CARD indicates your contact details.

    I never knew that dollar bills were actually hidden inside ATM cards.
    I foolishly thought that they came out of the machine I insert them
    into. I guess I'll skip my next trip to the ATM, and just get the
    money out of the card with tweezers and a magnifying glass without
    ever leaving my room.

    The largest bill I've seen is $100. I've heard of larger ones, but
    never seen them. I wonder whose picture is on the 5 million dollar
    bill. Maybe Sanford Wallace's? It's especially clever of the
    government to make bills readable by x-ray.

    For your information, the ATM Master Card was abandoned by the
    diplomat agent who was on transit to your city because he was not
    able to pay the (JFK) clearance fee

    Yes, that happens to me all the time. I keep forgetting to pay the
    fee to transport my ATM card, so I have to just toss it on the floor
    at the airport for a UN official to pick up. Also, the airlines keep
    refusing to "transit" me to "my city." They keep insisting that I say
    which city. I told them: *My* city.

    you will and sum of $100 USD to the FedEx Delivery Department being
    have to pay a payment for the Insurance Fee of the FedEx Company.

    I'm trying to figure out what language this is in. The words look
    like English, but the syntax, not so much.

    Yours Sincerely.
    MACK WILLIANM

    I've never seen William spelled with an N before. Especially not when
    it was spelled without the N earlier in the same message. Maybe his
    (her?) name is actually Willia, and she's from New Mexico.

    Email [redacted]@gmail.com

    Of course all UN officials use Gmail for their official business, and
    also have UN as their last name.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Aug 20 04:35:49 2021
    In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
    not be spam.

    I am MacK William UN, a senior officer at John F. Willians
    International Airport (JFK) New York.

    I never knew that that's who JFK airport was named for. But
    it makes perfect sense. If K can stand for potassium, it can
    certainly stand for Willians. And we all remember the tragic
    assasination of John F. Willians by Lee Harvey Armold.

    I have contacted you regarding an abandoned diplomatic ATM Card.
    The x-ray scan report of the ATM Card revealed some US dollar bill
    in it which could be approximately 5Million dollars and the official
    paper of the ATM MASTER CARD indicates your contact details.

    I never knew that dollar bills were actually hidden inside ATM cards.
    I foolishly thought that they came out of the machine I insert them
    into. I guess I'll skip my next trip to the ATM, and just get the
    money out of the card with tweezers and a magnifying glass without
    ever leaving my room.

    The largest bill I've seen is $100. I've heard of larger ones, but
    never seen them. I wonder whose picture is on the 5 million dollar
    bill. Maybe Sanford Wallace's? It's especially clever of the
    government to make bills readable by x-ray.

    For your information, the ATM Master Card was abandoned by the
    diplomat agent who was on transit to your city because he was not
    able to pay the (JFK) clearance fee

    Yes, that happens to me all the time. I keep forgetting to pay the
    fee to transport my ATM card, so I have to just toss it on the floor
    at the airport for a UN official to pick up. Also, the airlines keep >refusing to "transit" me to "my city." They keep insisting that I say
    which city. I told them: *My* city.

    you will and sum of $100 USD to the FedEx Delivery Department being
    have to pay a payment for the Insurance Fee of the FedEx Company.

    I'm trying to figure out what language this is in. The words look
    like English, but the syntax, not so much.

    Yours Sincerely.
    MACK WILLIANM

    I've never seen William spelled with an N before. Especially not when
    it was spelled without the N earlier in the same message. Maybe his
    (her?) name is actually Willia, and she's from New Mexico.

    Email [redacted]@gmail.com

    Of course all UN officials use Gmail for their official business, and
    also have UN as their last name.

    I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
    number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He
    wanted to send me a DNA test kit so they could add it to their
    database on the relationship between cancer and heart trouble,
    and they were going to send it. He actually sounded genuine.

    But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,*
    and said the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd
    never heard of, but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all
    right-- in Tennessee. At this point I emailed my endocrinogist
    with the details.

    About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to
    see if the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this
    testing lab in Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in
    Tennessee (where I have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
    and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody
    who does?" and she hung up.

    I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
    and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
    (problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I
    shall.

    It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
    AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
    was obviously phony and the joke was over.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Fri Aug 20 07:59:30 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:


    I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone number,
    my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted to send me
    a DNA test kit so they could add it to their database on the
    relationship between cancer and heart trouble, and they were going to
    send it. He actually sounded genuine.

    But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,* and said
    the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd never heard of,
    but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all right-- in Tennessee. At
    this point I emailed my endocrinogist with the details.

    About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to see if
    the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this testing lab in Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in Tennessee (where I
    have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
    and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody who
    does?" and she hung up.

    I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
    and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
    (problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I shall.

    It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine AND had
    my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me was obviously
    phony and the joke was over.


    Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it
    didn't begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it
    because you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some
    reason.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Fri Aug 20 05:16:59 2021
    On 8/20/21 12:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
    AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
    was obviously phony and the joke was over.

    If a scammer could put together that much information on you, the "joke"
    may be far from over. I'd check every bank and credit statement very
    carefully for the next couple of months.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Fri Aug 20 12:07:00 2021
    In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
    not be spam.

    A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until right at
    the bottom where there was a button containing the text "Logine".

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Aug 20 08:57:04 2021
    On 8/20/21 7:06 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
    not be spam.

    A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until right at
    the bottom where there was a button containing the text "Logine".


    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are no
    buttons with hidden URLs to worry about. Unfortunately, some legitimate
    lists I'm on make the plain text mail as unreadable as they can.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Fri Aug 20 13:13:11 2021
    In article <sfnrub$oo6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/20/21 12:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
    AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
    was obviously phony and the joke was over.

    If a scammer could put together that much information on you, the "joke"
    may be far from over. I'd check every bank and credit statement very >carefully for the next couple of months.

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it), and Hal watches the credit card balance
    like a hawk; it's paid down to nothing at the moment and he likes
    to keep it that way.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Fri Aug 20 13:10:44 2021
    In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:


    I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone number,
    my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted to send me
    a DNA test kit so they could add it to their database on the
    relationship between cancer and heart trouble, and they were going to
    send it. He actually sounded genuine.

    But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,* and said
    the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd never heard of,
    but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all right-- in Tennessee. At
    this point I emailed my endocrinogist with the details.

    About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to see if
    the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this testing lab in
    Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in Tennessee (where I
    have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
    and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody who
    does?" and she hung up.

    I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
    and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
    (problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I shall.

    It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine AND had
    my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me was obviously
    phony and the joke was over.


    Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it
    didn't begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it
    because you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some
    reason.

    Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare
    information that *should* have been private. They would not have
    done all that falsification for just one person.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Aug 20 08:54:02 2021
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote in news:memo.20210820120721.20268B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk:

    In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net
    (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so
    it must not be spam.

    A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until
    right at the bottom where there was a button containing the text
    "Logine".

    The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
    that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
    which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
    equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
    you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
    looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
    have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
    curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Fri Aug 20 15:54:15 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:10:44 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:


    I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
    number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted
    ...


    Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it didn't >>begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it because
    you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some reason.

    Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare information that *should* have been private. They would not have done all that
    falsification for just one person.


    It's my guess that if you gave us the name of the Pennsylvania
    lab and the Tennessee oncologist, one or more of us could,
    with a little online research, suss out the deception.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Fri Aug 20 17:06:00 2021
    In article <sfo8r0$bvu$1@dont-email.me>, garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com
    (Gary McGath) wrote:


    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are no
    buttons with hidden URLs to worry about. Unfortunately, some
    legitimate
    lists I'm on make the plain text mail as unreadable as they can.

    I tend to when using my desktop computer, but I use Thunderbird as well, especially when I'm away. Also, PayPal notifications are totally
    unreadable in text only. (Sometimes, the text is even in German, for
    some reason.)

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Heydt on Fri Aug 20 17:06:00 2021
    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
    done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Dormer on Fri Aug 20 11:48:37 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
    Dormer) wrote:

    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
    done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
    implants, and denture fittings.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Fri Aug 20 19:43:20 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:54:02 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:


    The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
    that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
    which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
    equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
    you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
    looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
    have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
    curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.

    (tempting fate mode)

    I must have upset someone, somewhere...

    I hardly ever seem to get dodgy emails, despite not running a spam filter!

    (/tempting fate mode)

    But I do get a lot of the ""You have missed a call from your internet
    provider. Your account will be disconnected in 24 hours due to illegal activity, press 1 to speak to an account adviser" phone calls...

    Since I'm NOT going to press 1, they aren't half so much fun as the "This is your internet provider. There seems to be a problem with your router" calls.

    No-one is surprised that I can keep them on the line for ages, are they, although they do seem to hang up faster nowadays if they realise they are talking to someone who can recognise a clue -before- it bites them.

    Example

    Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."

    Bearded Fan "Which one?"

    S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"

    BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"

    S. "Liar, you are just wasting my time you (Expletive in a foreign language, I presume)"

    S. slams phone down in disgust.

    The scammer was 50% right - I was trying to waste his time, but I do have four separate internet connections - the home broadband, my smartphone, a Mi-Fi unit, and there is a WiFi hotspot built into the car. :-)

    Alan "easily amused, sometimes" Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Aug 20 18:53:32 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
    done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
    Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
    be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 20 11:56:56 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
    Dormer) wrote:

    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work >>done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral >examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral >hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
    implants, and denture fittings.

    Kind of like the difference between optometrists and ophthalmologists.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Aug 20 19:32:08 2021
    In article <memo.20210820170609.10676B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
    hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
    reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist?

    Mine is both a DDS and an MD. So was his partner, now retired,
    and so is his current partner.

    I've just had root canal work
    done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    Ouch! IIRC I had at least one root canal done by my (then)
    dentist, but the extractions were done by an oral surgeon.
    And this latest one cost me $850.00, but I am hoping that Blue
    Shield and/or Medicare will reimburse some of it.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to alan@thewoodfords.uk on Fri Aug 20 19:34:34 2021
    In article <btsvhg5krfdjq2vr4ni45d405hvqg664fb@4ax.com>,
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:54:02 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha ><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:


    The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
    that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
    which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
    equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
    you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
    looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
    have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
    curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.

    (tempting fate mode)

    I must have upset someone, somewhere...

    I hardly ever seem to get dodgy emails, despite not running a spam filter!

    (/tempting fate mode)

    But I do get a lot of the ""You have missed a call from your internet >provider. Your account will be disconnected in 24 hours due to illegal >activity, press 1 to speak to an account adviser" phone calls...

    Since I'm NOT going to press 1, they aren't half so much fun as the "This is >your internet provider. There seems to be a problem with your router" calls.

    No-one is surprised that I can keep them on the line for ages, are they, >although they do seem to hang up faster nowadays if they realise they are >talking to someone who can recognise a clue -before- it bites them.

    Example

    Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."

    Bearded Fan "Which one?"

    S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"

    BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"

    S. "Liar, you are just wasting my time you (Expletive in a foreign language, I >presume)"

    S. slams phone down in disgust.

    The scammer was 50% right - I was trying to waste his time, but I do have four >separate internet connections - the home broadband, my smartphone, a Mi-Fi >unit, and there is a WiFi hotspot built into the car. :-)

    Bravo!

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Fri Aug 20 19:28:06 2021
    In article <HeQTI.23092$Lv3.1683@fx08.iad>,
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:10:44 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:


    I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
    number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted >>>...


    Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it didn't >>>begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it because
    you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some reason.

    Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare information that
    *should* have been private. They would not have done all that
    falsification for just one person.


    It's my guess that if you gave us the name of the Pennsylvania
    lab and the Tennessee oncologist, one or more of us could,
    with a little online research, suss out the deception.

    My endocrinologis sent me a site to report it to, and I really
    need to quit stalling and do that. Googling the name of the lab
    yielded only an online article on a different scam whose scammers
    knock on the doors of elderly people and *ask them* for their
    Medicare IDs! And get them, sometimes! May I be dead and buried
    befor I get that dim.

    The oncologist is apparently for real; whether he's actually
    involved in the scam or is being used by the scammers without his
    knowledge or consent, I don't know and it's not my place to find
    out.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Fri Aug 20 17:23:03 2021
    On 8/20/21 2:48 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
    Dormer) wrote:

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
    done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
    implants, and denture fittings.


    In my experience, I've had dentists do fillings, their assistants do
    X-rays and cleanings, endodontists do root canals, and an oral surgeon
    extract wisdom teeth.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Fri Aug 20 16:37:30 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote in news:4huvhgdv7ihigg33r9tmvp1qbv2a4n22kr@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan
    <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk
    (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com
    (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer
    eight hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my
    insurance will reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root
    canal work done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there
    are no National Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been
    able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like
    oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space
    for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root
    canals, dental implants, and denture fittings.

    Kind of like the difference between optometrists and
    ophthalmologists.

    Not really, no. Dentists and oral surgeons are both medical doctors,
    and is an opthamologist. And optometrist is a technician. Many have
    some medical training, but are *far* from doctors.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Sat Aug 21 00:10:28 2021
    In article <XnsAD8CA91EEA3C6taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
    Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote in >news:4huvhgdv7ihigg33r9tmvp1qbv2a4n22kr@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan
    <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk
    (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com
    (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

    Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer
    eight hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my
    insurance will reimburse some of it),

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root
    canal work done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there
    are no National Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been
    able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like
    oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space
    for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root
    canals, dental implants, and denture fittings.

    Kind of like the difference between optometrists and
    ophthalmologists.

    Not really, no. Dentists and oral surgeons are both medical doctors,
    and so is an opthamologist. An optometrist is a technician. Many have
    some medical training, but are *far* from doctors.

    Correct.

    (My aunt was one of the first female ophthalmologists in the US.
    Years and years later, when a much younger female ophthalmologist
    asked me who had given me my first pair of glasses, I named my
    aunt, and the young woman said, "YOU KNEW DOROTHY MACDONALD!?!?"
    So she had a certain degree of fame among her colleagues.)

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Sat Aug 21 00:32:59 2021
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general >practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment >and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
    Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental >and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of >places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can >be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

    Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Aug 21 02:11:04 2021
    In article <sfphjr$jk4$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general >>practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment >>and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
    Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental >>and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of >>places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can >>be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

    Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.

    The three or four oral surgeons I've known have both the MD and
    the DDS.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Fri Aug 20 20:26:17 2021
    On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 10:20:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <sfphjr$jk4$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com> wrote:
    <rksh...@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general >>practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment
    and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures. >>Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental
    and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of >>places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
    be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

    Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.
    The three or four oral surgeons I've known have both the MD and
    the DDS.
    --

    "My friend Harold said D.D.S. meant "Dey Died Screaming."

    - Sam Levenson in "Everything But Money" (1966)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Levenson

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sat Aug 21 12:37:00 2021
    In article <4vtvhg9qkto60m9ogh5ttr8ev84iiopvh0@4ax.com>, tppm@ca.rr.com
    (Tim Merrigan) wrote:


    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
    implants, and denture fittings.

    The person who did my root canal work is the same guy who does my
    six-monthly check-up, and various fillings over the years. I just call
    him the dentist.

    Now, back in 1982 when I had my wisdom teeth removed, I was referred to
    the dentist at the local hospital, presumably to big a job for my dentist.
    (I usually joke I had my wisdom teeth removed during the Falklands War,
    which was in the news at the time.)

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 21 12:37:00 2021
    In article <qy5KxK.G94@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:


    Ouch! IIRC I had at least one root canal done by my (then)
    dentist, but the extractions were done by an oral surgeon.
    And this latest one cost me $850.00, but I am hoping that Blue
    Shield and/or Medicare will reimburse some of it.

    As I recall, even National Health dentists charge, just less than private
    ones. There was a scandal a few years ago about dentists doing
    unnecessary work, just so they could charge the NHS.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sat Aug 21 14:37:56 2021
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:28:06 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    My endocrinologis sent me a site to report it to, and I really need to
    quit stalling and do that. Googling the name of the lab yielded only an online article on a different scam whose scammers knock on the doors of elderly people and *ask them* for their Medicare IDs! And get them, sometimes! May I be dead and buried befor I get that dim.

    The oncologist is apparently for real; whether he's actually involved in
    the scam or is being used by the scammers without his knowledge or
    consent, I don't know and it's not my place to find out.

    So it looks like the scammer succeeded in one sense -- putting a brain-
    lock on you that prevents you from both reporting to the authorities and sharing data with would-be detectives.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Sat Aug 21 15:12:00 2021
    In article <8d8UI.16013$dl5.7211@fx04.iad>,
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:28:06 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    My endocrinologis sent me a site to report it to, and I really need to
    quit stalling and do that. Googling the name of the lab yielded only an
    online article on a different scam whose scammers knock on the doors of
    elderly people and *ask them* for their Medicare IDs! And get them,
    sometimes! May I be dead and buried befor I get that dim.

    The oncologist is apparently for real; whether he's actually involved in
    the scam or is being used by the scammers without his knowledge or
    consent, I don't know and it's not my place to find out.

    So it looks like the scammer succeeded in one sense -- putting a brain-
    lock on you that prevents you from both reporting to the authorities and >sharing data with would-be detectives.

    Oh, no, it's just elderly inertia. I'll try to get it done
    today.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sat Aug 21 19:07:37 2021
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
    Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."
    Bearded Fan "Which one?"
    S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"
    BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"
    ....

    Bravo!

    I often get calls telling me my car insurance is expiring. When I'm
    asked to verify the make and model, I say, okay, go ahead, I'll tell
    you if you're correct. They hang up. (I don't have a car.)

    Then there's the "I've been trying to reach you..." scam, which calls
    once or twice a day. It's entirely robotic, and there's no way to
    reach a person.

    Over the past week, whenever I get a scam call from someone with an
    Indian accent, I ask them if they really think it's a good idea to
    make the whole world think of India as a nation of scammers, given
    that the Taliban are rampaging nearby.

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number multiple
    times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to give them money
    just to make the calls stop? If so, given that nobody is enforcing
    laws against those scum, why don't they just come out and say that,
    instead of wasting everyone's time touting an imaginary product?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sat Aug 21 19:30:45 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are
    no buttons with hidden URLs to worry about.

    Likewise. Except replace "whenever possible" with "always."

    Unfortunately, some legitimate lists I'm on make the plain text mail
    as unreadable as they can.

    Some lists have even retreated behind the base64 event horizon. I had
    to write a base64 decoder that's compatible with procmail to silently
    and automatically undo that damage.

    I've recently received some emails with xlsx attachments. Any idea
    how to decode those?

    Chicon sends me HTML emails with a login link whenever I want to see
    if they've received my check yet. The login link is buried amongst
    numerous other links. And it's both MIME-mangled and much too long
    to either cut and paste or retype. Not to mention that it's run by "Mailchimp," an email marketing company, so I had of course long since
    blocked all Mailchimp emails as spam.

    I've found that the best way to deal with it is to locate the login
    link, discard the rest of it, manually un-MIME it, turn it into a
    proper web page, upload it to my public website, and then load it from
    a graphical browser. Neither convenient nor secure.

    The good news is that they finally received my check, 32 days after
    I mailed it. That's an average of less than one mile per hour. It
    would have been faster for me to walk the whole way from Virginia to
    Chicago, hand it to them, then walk home. I wonder how the Post Awful
    carried the letter. No train, plane, automobile, bicycle, pack animal,
    or pedestrian is that slow. Maybe they had a turtle carry it.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Aug 21 19:58:33 2021
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are
    no buttons with hidden URLs to worry about.

    Likewise. Except replace "whenever possible" with "always."

    Unfortunately, some legitimate lists I'm on make the plain text mail
    as unreadable as they can.

    Some lists have even retreated behind the base64 event horizon. I had
    to write a base64 decoder that's compatible with procmail to silently
    and automatically undo that damage.

    I've recently received some emails with xlsx attachments. Any idea
    how to decode those?

    It's the extension for a "new" (2007) format Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. If you're not expecting one, it most likely (a) is not that format and
    (b) contains malware. If you're interested in opening it, OpenOffice versions later than 3.0 will read Excel spreadsheets and might even be able to execute the malware :-)

    Chicon sends me HTML emails with a login link whenever I want to see
    if they've received my check yet. The login link is buried amongst
    numerous other links. And it's both MIME-mangled and much too long
    to either cut and paste or retype. Not to mention that it's run by "Mailchimp," an email marketing company, so I had of course long since blocked all Mailchimp emails as spam.

    I've found that the best way to deal with it is to locate the login
    link, discard the rest of it, manually un-MIME it, turn it into a
    proper web page, upload it to my public website, and then load it from
    a graphical browser. Neither convenient nor secure.

    The good news is that they finally received my check, 32 days after
    I mailed it. That's an average of less than one mile per hour. It
    would have been faster for me to walk the whole way from Virginia to
    Chicago, hand it to them, then walk home. I wonder how the Post Awful carried the letter. No train, plane, automobile, bicycle, pack animal,
    or pedestrian is that slow. Maybe they had a turtle carry it.

    I would say s/received/processed/ unless you sent the check return receipt requested. How much of that 32 days is transit through the postal system and how much is sitting ignored at the destination?

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sat Aug 21 20:28:08 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Fortunately my pharmacy's robocall reminder messages are long enough
    for me to catch the tail end, so I know they've called, but not what
    about.

    Speaking of pharmacies, I was required to give an email address to get
    my covid vaccine at CVS. Since then they've been spamming me almost
    every day, with giant HTML emails. The first couple I laboriously
    decoded, in case they were warning me about a vaccine recall. Nope.
    They're just trying to sell me stuff. Of course I discontinued the
    disposable email address I gave them, so all their emails will be
    blocked. And also made a mental note never to shop there again, and
    to get my covid boosters or delta vaccine elsewhere.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sat Aug 21 13:18:17 2021
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
    Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."
    Bearded Fan "Which one?"
    S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"
    BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"
    ....

    Bravo!

    I often get calls telling me my car insurance is expiring. When I'm
    asked to verify the make and model, I say, okay, go ahead, I'll tell
    you if you're correct. They hang up. (I don't have a car.)

    Then there's the "I've been trying to reach you..." scam, which calls
    once or twice a day. It's entirely robotic, and there's no way to
    reach a person.

    Over the past week, whenever I get a scam call from someone with an
    Indian accent, I ask them if they really think it's a good idea to
    make the whole world think of India as a nation of scammers, given
    that the Taliban are rampaging nearby.

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number multiple
    times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to give them money
    just to make the calls stop? If so, given that nobody is enforcing
    laws against those scum, why don't they just come out and say that,
    instead of wasting everyone's time touting an imaginary product?

    For the last few years I've been letting all calls on my land line go
    straight to my answering machine. Most of the calls that are long
    enough to get through (they make it though the outgoing message before
    they disconnect) are blank.

    Fortunately my pharmacy's robocall reminder messages are long enough
    for me to catch the tail end, so I know they've called, but not what
    about.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Sat Aug 21 21:02:29 2021
    In article <sfrlt9$crlm$1@memoryalpha.rosettacon.com>,
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    The good news is that they finally received my check, 32 days after
    I mailed it. That's an average of less than one mile per hour. It
    would have been faster for me to walk the whole way from Virginia to
    Chicago, hand it to them, then walk home. I wonder how the Post Awful
    carried the letter. No train, plane, automobile, bicycle, pack animal,
    or pedestrian is that slow. Maybe they had a turtle carry it.

    I don't know about turtles, but we've had several packages sent
    from wherever they started to a central office fairly near where
    we are, only to be forwarded to ANOTHER central office further
    away, and sit there for a week or two till they finally get sent
    somewhere nearby and then get delivered in the next day or two.

    Maybe they had the turtle assigning the delivery schedule?
    rurtles aren't all that bright.

    I would say s/received/processed/ unless you sent the check return receipt >requested. How much of that 32 days is transit through the postal system and >how much is sitting ignored at the destination?

    Or somewhere.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to tppm@ca.rr.com on Sat Aug 21 21:05:36 2021
    In article <rdn2ig1qsu3gn1r4t2hc0kn3slv7mmo335@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" ><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number multiple
    times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to give them money
    just to make the calls stop? If so, given that nobody is enforcing
    laws against those scum, why don't they just come out and say that,
    instead of wasting everyone's time touting an imaginary product?

    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch of
    guys who want me to support the local police force financially.
    I get them two or three times a week. I have a stock answer for
    them: "We've already set up our donation budget for this year."


    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 22 03:09:47 2021
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy7JxC.x8B@kithrup.com:

    In article <rdn2ig1qsu3gn1r4t2hc0kn3slv7mmo335@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" >><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number
    multiple times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to
    give them money just to make the calls stop? If so, given that
    nobody is enforcing laws against those scum, why don't they
    just come out and say that, instead of wasting everyone's time
    touting an imaginary product?

    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch of
    guys who want me to support the local police force financially.
    I get them two or three times a week. I have a stock answer for
    them: "We've already set up our donation budget for this year."

    My normal answer for those is "Every police department in the United
    States has issued press releases saying, 'We do not - ever - solicit
    donations over the phone. If you get a phone call claiming to be from
    us, please report this as a criminal scam. What was your name again?"

    I don't get many of those these days.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 22 03:07:25 2021
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy7Js5.wxs@kithrup.com:

    In article <sfrlt9$crlm$1@memoryalpha.rosettacon.com>,
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    The good news is that they finally received my check, 32 days
    after I mailed it. That's an average of less than one mile
    per hour. It would have been faster for me to walk the whole
    way from Virginia to Chicago, hand it to them, then walk home.
    I wonder how the Post Awful carried the letter. No train,
    plane, automobile, bicycle, pack animal, or pedestrian is that
    slow. Maybe they had a turtle carry it.

    I don't know about turtles, but we've had several packages sent
    from wherever they started to a central office fairly near where
    we are, only to be forwarded to ANOTHER central office further
    away, and sit there for a week or two till they finally get sent
    somewhere nearby and then get delivered in the next day or two.

    USPS has struggled a lot in the last 18 months. They lost a rent
    check of mine a few months back. That was inconvenient. (When I
    hand delivered the money order on the day it was due, I told the
    manager "you have bills to pay, too" and I though she was going to
    cry.)

    But USPS isn't the only shipper that does stupid things. I ordered
    a printer for one of our stores in Davis. The FedEx tracking
    information showed it in Sacramento a couple of days later, 10
    miles from the store. The next entry shows it being delivered to a
    business with a completely different name - in Virginia. (The
    shipper was very cooprative about reshipping it.)

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Sun Aug 22 03:58:45 2021
    In article <XnsAD8DCD197AB8Ftaustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
    Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy7JxC.x8B@kithrup.com:

    In article <rdn2ig1qsu3gn1r4t2hc0kn3slv7mmo335@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" >>><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number
    multiple times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to
    give them money just to make the calls stop? If so, given that
    nobody is enforcing laws against those scum, why don't they
    just come out and say that, instead of wasting everyone's time
    touting an imaginary product?

    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch of
    guys who want me to support the local police force financially.
    I get them two or three times a week. I have a stock answer for
    them: "We've already set up our donation budget for this year."

    My normal answer for those is "Every police department in the United
    States has issued press releases saying, 'We do not - ever - solicit >donations over the phone. If you get a phone call claiming to be from
    us, please report this as a criminal scam. What was your name again?"

    I don't get many of those these days.

    Ooooh! Bookmarked!

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 22 06:31:39 2021
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy831x.1uyB@kithrup.com:

    In article <XnsAD8DCD197AB8Ftaustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
    Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy7JxC.x8B@kithrup.com:

    In article <rdn2ig1qsu3gn1r4t2hc0kn3slv7mmo335@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" >>>><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number
    multiple times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to
    give them money just to make the calls stop? If so, given
    that nobody is enforcing laws against those scum, why don't
    they just come out and say that, instead of wasting
    everyone's time touting an imaginary product?

    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch
    of guys who want me to support the local police force
    financially. I get them two or three times a week. I have a
    stock answer for them: "We've already set up our donation
    budget for this year."

    My normal answer for those is "Every police department in the
    United States has issued press releases saying, 'We do not -
    ever - solicit donations over the phone. If you get a phone call
    claiming to be from us, please report this as a criminal scam.
    What was your name again?"

    I don't get many of those these days.

    Ooooh! Bookmarked!

    It has the advantage of being pretty close to true, too. Call your
    local PD public affairs office and ask about it, and they'll tell
    you that nobody who has any official connection to the department
    *ever* solicits with cold calls - because of the scammers.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Sun Aug 22 11:14:19 2021
    Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    But USPS isn't the only shipper that does stupid things. I ordered
    a printer for one of our stores in Davis. The FedEx tracking
    information showed it in Sacramento a couple of days later, 10
    miles from the store. The next entry shows it being delivered to a
    business with a completely different name - in Virginia. (The
    shipper was very cooprative about reshipping it.)

    My experience on the whole is that stuff goes wrong all over. When stuff
    goes wrong, UPS doesn't pay on their insurance until you sue them, but
    Fedex pays promptly. USPS's insurance has traditionally been very expensive and completely useless.

    But USPS isn't the same USPS that it was a couple years ago. It's even more strapped for cash with a lot of facilities stripped down, but on the other
    hand they finally have implemented active end-to-end tracking. (The website
    is awful and doesn't show you more than a tiny fraction of the actual scans, but there's a terminal at every postoffice that can get actual scan data). There's even limited internal tracking on letter mail these days.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 22 13:33:52 2021
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    In article <sfrlt9$crlm$1@memoryalpha.rosettacon.com>,
    <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:

    The good news is that they finally received my check, 32 days after
    I mailed it. That's an average of less than one mile per hour. It
    would have been faster for me to walk the whole way from Virginia to
    Chicago, hand it to them, then walk home. I wonder how the Post Awful
    carried the letter. No train, plane, automobile, bicycle, pack animal,
    or pedestrian is that slow. Maybe they had a turtle carry it.

    I don't know about turtles, but we've had several packages sent
    from wherever they started to a central office fairly near where
    we are, only to be forwarded to ANOTHER central office further
    away, and sit there for a week or two till they finally get sent
    somewhere nearby and then get delivered in the next day or two.

    FedEx used to be really bad about this. I remember a shipper on the west
    side of Dallas sending me a package. I live on the northeast edge but the package went to, IIRC, Memphis before coming to me.
    UPS' trick was to hold packages for a few days to make sure that local "ground" shipments didn't get cheap overnight delivery.

    Maybe they had the turtle assigning the delivery schedule?
    rurtles aren't all that bright.

    I would say s/received/processed/ unless you sent the check return receipt >>requested. How much of that 32 days is transit through the postal system and >>how much is sitting ignored at the destination?

    Or somewhere.

    We get occasional off-by-ones...neighbors' mail showing up in our box and (presumably) vice versa. I can usually tell when it happens to us...the
    image shows up in the Informed Delivery email and the letter shows up a day
    or two later sometime in the evening.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Sun Aug 22 14:24:25 2021
    In article <XnsAD8DEF53680Ftaustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
    Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
    news:qy831x.1uyB@kithrup.com:

    In article <XnsAD8DCD197AB8Ftaustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
    Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in >>>news:qy7JxC.x8B@kithrup.com:

    In article <rdn2ig1qsu3gn1r4t2hc0kn3slv7mmo335@4ax.com>,
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:07:37 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" >>>>><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number >>>>>>multiple times per day. Do they think anyone will agree to
    give them money just to make the calls stop? If so, given
    that nobody is enforcing laws against those scum, why don't
    they just come out and say that, instead of wasting
    everyone's time touting an imaginary product?

    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch
    of guys who want me to support the local police force
    financially. I get them two or three times a week. I have a
    stock answer for them: "We've already set up our donation
    budget for this year."

    My normal answer for those is "Every police department in the
    United States has issued press releases saying, 'We do not -
    ever - solicit donations over the phone. If you get a phone call
    claiming to be from us, please report this as a criminal scam.
    What was your name again?"

    I don't get many of those these days.

    Ooooh! Bookmarked!

    It has the advantage of being pretty close to true, too. Call your
    local PD public affairs office and ask about it, and they'll tell
    you that nobody who has any official connection to the department
    *ever* solicits with cold calls - because of the scammers.

    Doubly cool.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Sun Aug 22 15:57:00 2021
    In article <sfritp$ifo$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    I've never understood why any scammer calls the same number multiple
    times per day.

    About ten years ago, I got a phone call just as I was getting up from
    someone claiming to be with a company dealing with a blocked drain in my street. They said they'd be leaving equipment on my property and I'd
    have to pay a deposit, payable by bank transfer, quite a large amount, as
    I recall. They then proceeded to phone me several times asking for the
    money. Someone even phoned me claiming to be the owner of the property
    that was flooded. They even gave me the street number of the person
    involved, who I knew and he denied it. (They gave a different number
    when I pointed this out.) I had just returned from holiday and I found
    several blank calls on my answer machine the day before. Finally I
    phoned the police who told me not to pay them (which I wasn't intending
    to do). I heard the "someone trying to call you" beep several times
    during this call and, sure enough, they called again when I hung up.
    They were most indignant when I told them I'd phoned the police but they
    didn't phone again after that.

    Some months later I saw a news item about someone in court for running
    this scam all over south-east England.

    On the matter of not having a car, a few weeks ago I was asked to come
    into the local hospital for an echo cardiogram. They asked me to come in
    on a Sunday as it would be easier to park. Well, even if I had a car, it
    would be quicker for me to walk across the road to the hospital.
    Apparently, when I was in hospital back in January, people were telling
    my family I'd be driving again in six weeks, to which they replied, "No
    he won't."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sun Aug 22 17:35:25 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    About ten years ago, I got a phone call just as I was getting up
    from someone claiming to be with a company dealing with a blocked
    drain in my street. They said they'd be leaving equipment on my
    property and I'd have to pay a deposit, payable by bank transfer,
    quite a large amount, as I recall.

    It's hard to imagine such a claim would get any response except
    "HELL NO! When you want to use my property, you pay me, not
    vice versa!" I wonder what the scammers were thinking.

    On the matter of not having a car, a few weeks ago I was asked to
    come into the local hospital for an echo cardiogram. They asked me
    to come in on a Sunday as it would be easier to park. Well, even if
    I had a car, it would be quicker for me to walk across the road to
    the hospital.

    I've never lived that close to a hospital, but I can see Fairfax Inova
    Hospital out my bedroom window, just barely, and only when trees are
    bare. It's perhaps best known for giving former VP Dick Cheney a
    heart transplant. They did so after my mother died, which happened
    after they refused to let me donate a lung to her, claiming that they
    never do organ transplants into people over 65, as such transplants
    just don't work. It's amazing how rapidly medical progress advances,
    given that it was just three weeks after my mother's death that they successfully transplanted a heart into a 71-year-old Dick.

    I've never been a patient there, but I've visited patients there
    (on foot). Several times I visited my mother and Marilee Layman in
    the same visit.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 22 18:05:52 2021
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch of
    guys who want me to support the local police force financially.

    Unlike most scams, that might actually work. Not because anyone
    actually supports the police anymore, but because they might feel
    intimidated into donating. Not many people want to risk their whole
    family being massacred in yet another "wrong address" midnight SWAT
    team raid. A hundred dollars or two each year is a small amount to
    prevent such a "terrible mistake."

    They're probably scammers who have nothing to do with the police, but
    why risk it?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sun Aug 22 13:05:26 2021
    On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 18:05:52 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    The only scammer calls I get that frequently are from a bunch of
    guys who want me to support the local police force financially.

    Unlike most scams, that might actually work. Not because anyone
    actually supports the police anymore, but because they might feel
    intimidated into donating. Not many people want to risk their whole
    family being massacred in yet another "wrong address" midnight SWAT
    team raid. A hundred dollars or two each year is a small amount to
    prevent such a "terrible mistake."

    They're probably scammers who have nothing to do with the police, but
    why risk it?

    Police Departments => State supported protection rackets.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sun Aug 22 20:31:10 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Police Departments => State supported protection rackets.

    Indeed. Not all cops are killers, but they're all liars. Lying is a
    job requirement. Such lies do enormous legal and psychological damage
    to innocent defendants who totally trust the police. Fortunately,
    this problem is self-correcting in the long run, as there are fewer
    and fewer people that gullible every year.

    In the long run, the damage is to the reputation of the police
    themselves. The Supreme Court ruled that police are allowed to lie.
    But they couldn't rule that people must forever remain magically
    ignorant of this fact. So now police are crying about how nobody
    trusts them anymore, and about how juries are often completely
    disregarding all police testimony. I can't tell you how much I
    empathize -- since prefixes only go down to yocto, meaning 10^-24
    of a unit.

    Tragically, the suicide rate for cops in the US is 17 per 100,000, the
    highest of any profession. (The tragedy is that it isn't even higher.)

    Nothing in the above is intended to minimize the culpability of free-
    lance criminals. But they're a much smaller problem. For instance
    all free-lance thieves put together steal less than cops steal via
    civil forfeiture.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Aug 22 17:14:56 2021
    On 8/22/21 4:31 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Police Departments => State supported protection rackets.

    Indeed. Not all cops are killers, but they're all liars. Lying is a
    job requirement. Such lies do enormous legal and psychological damage
    to innocent defendants who totally trust the police. Fortunately,
    this problem is self-correcting in the long run, as there are fewer
    and fewer people that gullible every year.

    Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that were
    obtained through willful deception by the police. They can still do it
    to adults, but it's a small gain.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sun Aug 22 21:59:08 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
    were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
    still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.

    Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
    all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
    not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
    would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
    the suspect.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Sun Aug 22 15:34:27 2021
    On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
    were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
    still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.

    Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
    all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
    not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
    would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
    the suspect.

    IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on the
    street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
    witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest, and is subject
    to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g. Miranda rights,
    and them explaining why one is being detained).

    I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
    to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Sun Aug 22 19:22:44 2021
    On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
    were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
    still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.

    Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
    all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
    not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
    would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
    the suspect.

    IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on the street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
    witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest, and is subject
    to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g. Miranda rights,
    and them explaining why one is being detained).

    I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
    to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.


    I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
    movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
    since we're the good guys it's really ok.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Mon Aug 23 03:30:21 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on
    the street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
    witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest,

    No. For instance look up "Terry stop."

    and is subject to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g.
    Miranda rights, and them explaining why one is being detained).

    You always have the right not to talk to the police, whether or not
    you are being detained. (There are rare exceptions for "mandatory
    reporters," e.g. if you're a doctor or a teacher and you believe
    a child is being abused, you're required to call the cops and
    tell them.)

    The Miranda warning is only required if you are being questioned and
    are in police custody. Police custody includes arrest, Terry stops, psychiatric holds, protective custody, and any other time you're not
    free to go. Always answer any question with "Am I free to go?" And
    respond to anything they say in response other than yes or no by
    repeating that question.

    Police love to intimidate you into thinking you aren't free to go,
    then later claim in court that it was a friendly conversation and you
    were always free to go. Make them commit to one or the other. If
    they answer yes, then go without saying another word. If they answer
    no, then say nothing except that you will say nothing without your
    lawyer.

    I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
    to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.

    They don't need a warrant to question you. They usually need a
    warrant to either arrest or search you, but there are numerous
    exceptions. Whether they have a warrant or not, you never have to
    answer their questions, except possibly giving your name and address,
    and I'd strongly recommend never answering their questions, even if
    they claim you're not a suspect.

    Anyone who thinks they can talk their way out of trouble just because
    they're innocent should watch the 46-minute "Don't Talk to the Police"
    YouTube video, made by a law professor talking to his class. People
    have been convicted of drug sales just because they correctly answered
    the question as to how many grams are in an ounce.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Mon Aug 23 11:21:00 2021
    In article <sfu1st$iqf$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    I had a car, it would be quicker for me to walk across the road to
    the hospital.

    I've never lived that close to a hospital, but I can see Fairfax Inova Hospital out my bedroom window, just barely,

    I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there are
    trees in the way. Also a supermarket. The road in question is the A3, a
    major road from London to Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to
    use a subway (in the UK sense of the word).

    It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe a
    couple more minutes to continue to the hospital. When I had my prostate operation ten years ago, they wouldn't let me walk home afterwards and
    insisted in calling my brother out of a meeting in London to drive here
    to collect me. Of course, once I got home, the first thing I had to do
    was visit the supermarket.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Jay E. Morris on Mon Aug 23 07:18:00 2021
    On 8/22/21 8:22 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:


    I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
    to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
    investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.


    I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
    movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
    since we're the good guys it's really ok.

    I've watched some episodes of the German cop show "Mord mit Aussicht"
    (murder with a view). Often I wonder how much German police authority
    differs from the US, and how much is the writers making stuff up.

    For example, in one episode the cops dug up the grave of a pet on the
    suspect's property without getting a warrant or anything like it. The
    purpose was to establish that the pet had been poisoned, which was a
    link to a human victim having been poisoned. In the US that search would
    be illegal, which doesn't guarantee cops wouldn't do it. Is it legal to
    dig up someone's property in Germany on suspicion without a warrant? I
    don't know.

    In another episode, the crime took place just on the other side of a
    state line, so the regular characters had to bring in cops from that
    state. At least that much is the same.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Mon Aug 23 13:02:17 2021
    In article <sg005a$urk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/22/21 8:22 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
    On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:


    I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
    to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
    investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.


    I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
    movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
    since we're the good guys it's really ok.

    I've watched some episodes of the German cop show "Mord mit Aussicht"
    (murder with a view). Often I wonder how much German police authority
    differs from the US, and how much is the writers making stuff up.

    For example, in one episode the cops dug up the grave of a pet on the >suspect's property without getting a warrant or anything like it. The
    purpose was to establish that the pet had been poisoned, which was a
    link to a human victim having been poisoned. In the US that search would
    be illegal, which doesn't guarantee cops wouldn't do it. Is it legal to
    dig up someone's property in Germany on suspicion without a warrant? I
    don't know.

    There's a series of murder mysteries by Catherine Aird, set in England, featuring a detective inspector and his hapless assistant, a
    sergeant with boundless enthusiasm and an incomplete
    understanding of the procedural rules. He's always digging into
    suspects garbage bins, e.g., and finding out something
    interesting that cannot be brought as evidence in court, but
    which provides useful information that the inspector can follow
    up by more appropriate means.

    For example, an old woman, living alone with her cat, is murdered
    in the course of a robbery. The feckless sergeant notices the
    cat cleaning his paws, and takes samples of the blood under
    its claws. Purely by accident, I'm sure, he manages to do this
    in such a way that the blood is legitimate evidence.

    Later on, a man is diagnosed with cat-scratch fever, with
    infected lacerations on his legs; the blood matches and they get
    a conviction. (The cat, meanwhile, has been adopted by the old
    woman's niece, and is seen calmly sunning itself on a windowsill,
    unable to give verbal evidence because it's a cat. As Peter
    Beagle once put it, no cat has ever given anyone a straight
    answer.)

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Aug 24 01:41:31 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there
    are trees in the way.

    Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.

    The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
    Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
    (in the UK sense of the word).

    Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is Gallows
    Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away, not directly
    across. Directly across from me is a facility where very large dump
    trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as possible, unfortunately.
    At least they only do so all day. They used to also do so all night.
    (I'm not quite directly on Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from
    my bedroom window.) But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to
    the hospital.

    Directly across Gallows from Inova Fairfax Hospital is what used
    to be the Exxon/Mobil headquarters but is now the Inova Center for
    Personalized Health. (Ever since Obamacare put its thumb on the
    scale, more and more of the US economy is devoted to medical care.
    If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
    the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
    a medical facility.)

    It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe
    a couple more minutes to continue to the hospital.

    The closest two supermarkets, an H-Mart and a Lidl, are both about
    1000 ft (300 m) away. A Target is slightly further. But it takes me
    more than five minutes as there are busy roads in the way, with no
    pedestrian underpasses or overpasses.

    When I had my prostate operation ten years ago, they wouldn't let
    me walk home afterwards and insisted in calling my brother out of
    a meeting in London to drive here to collect me. Of course, once
    I got home, the first thing I had to do was visit the supermarket.

    What could they have done had you walked home anyway?

    Around here, supposedy every hospital patient is free to leave against
    medical advice (AMA), unless they're under arrest or in a locked psych
    ward. (Leaving AMA may cause your insurance to refuse to pay, however.)

    But five years ago cops shot and killed a released patient at a bus stop
    next to that hospital. Supposedly the patient was threatening them.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Tue Aug 24 10:59:00 2021
    In article <sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
    the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
    a medical facility.)

    There was an episode of the TV series Sleepy Hollow where 21st century
    cop Abby gets transported back to the eighteenth century. As she is
    about to enter a building she says, "This is a Starbucks in my day - a
    coffee house." She then looks across the street. "And that is a
    Starbucks, too. We like coffee."

    It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe
    a couple more minutes to continue to the hospital.

    The closest two supermarkets, an H-Mart and a Lidl, are both about
    1000 ft (300 m) away.

    They've just opened the first Lidl in Guildford, near where I used to
    work - about a mile away.

    There is a retail park the other side of a railway bridge from my office.
    Soon after we started working there, a branch of PC World was built and
    opened there. PC World and Currys, an electronics and household goods
    store, combined and the shop became Currys PC World.

    Also in the park were two large hardware stores, B&Q and Homebase but a
    couple of years ago, Homebase closed in Guildford. Then Currys PC World
    moved into their old building. Then Lidl converted the old Currys and
    opened there.

    It would have been useful if they had been there when I was still working there, but Tesco is so much closer to my house.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Aug 24 08:29:24 2021
    On 8/24/21 5:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
    the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
    a medical facility.)
    There was an episode of the TV series Sleepy Hollow where 21st century
    cop Abby gets transported back to the eighteenth century. As she is
    about to enter a building she says, "This is a Starbucks in my day - a
    coffee house." She then looks across the street. "And that is a
    Starbucks, too. We like coffee."

    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
    There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
    close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
    part of Greater Boston. Even so...

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Aug 24 08:24:49 2021
    On 8/23/21 9:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there
    are trees in the way.
    Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.

    The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
    Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
    (in the UK sense of the word).
    Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is Gallows
    Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away, not directly
    across. Directly across from me is a facility where very large dump
    trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as possible, unfortunately.
    At least they only do so all day. They used to also do so all night.
    (I'm not quite directly on Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from
    my bedroom window.) But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to
    the hospital.

    The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
    occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
    year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
    reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some
    people claimed property damage, but I don't think any claims were
    upheld. The guy who did it got a suspended fine.

    I now live about three miles from the quarry. The blast was probably
    audible here.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Tue Aug 24 15:12:09 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
    There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
    close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
    part of Greater Boston. Even so...

    During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their agents to
    live off the land, teaching them to be able to find edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the survival of their agents by making sure there was
    a McDonalds every fifty feet across the face of the earth.

    There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Aug 24 16:27:16 2021
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    []

    The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
    occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
    year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
    reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some

    I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather not have it happen.
    What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?


    people claimed property damage, but I don't think any claims were
    upheld. The guy who did it got a suspended fine.

    I now live about three miles from the quarry. The blast was probably
    audible here.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Aug 24 08:58:25 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-4, Paul Dormer wrote:

    [snip]

    Then Lidl converted the old Currys and opened there.


    Will Lidl sell you the makings of a curry? :)

    If I walk or ride the bus ~ 1 mi I wind up in a commercial area that
    has 3 supermarkets. No Lidl, but there's an Aldi. I haven't visited
    that Aldi in months, but I use Instacart to deliver groceries from there.
    They sent me loads of food 24 hours before TS Henri showed up.

    My top floor apartment has rustic-looking back stairs as a fire escape.
    If I am on the top landing, and the trees have not yet leafed out, I can
    see those stores across the river. If I extend that bus ride a bit, I get
    to our town's hospital. I have done that, or driven there. I could walk
    up the hill from the intersection of the streets the markets are on, but
    it is quite steep, and the hospital really ought to remotely monitor my
    vital signs I'm while doing that!


    One of the supermarkets was built on land that used to be the home of
    Charlton Publications, publishers of THE BLUE BEETLE, CAPTAIN ATOM,
    DR GRAVES, E-MAN, SPACE WESTERN and other muddily printed gems.

    And, ObSF, : Charlton also put out a one-shot prose magazine in Summer,
    1964, TALES OF TERROR FROM THE BEYOND.

    http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/tales_of_terror_from_the_beyond

    http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?663948

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Aug 24 15:53:24 2021
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
    the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
    a medical facility.)

    You'll be able to avoid both by going to a small town...hospitals are
    closing and Starbucks isn't interested in that demographic, except to
    push bagged coffee in the local market.
    We own some land outside of a town in Oklahoma (small, but still the
    county seat and home to half the county's population). The closest
    Starbucks is 72 miles away. They do have a hospital, for now, but most
    of the people I know in the area end up travelling the 150 miles to Oklahoma City (or sometimes the 250 to Dallas).

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Tue Aug 24 17:13:00 2021
    In article <bdec82a0-5aa5-4568-a4ca-7f2588b9ab6cn@googlegroups.com>, kevrob@my-deja.com (Kevrob) wrote:


    Then Lidl converted the old Currys and opened there.


    Will Lidl sell you the makings of a curry? :)

    I see what you did there. :-)

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Aug 24 09:37:07 2021
    "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in news:sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com:

    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as
    there are trees in the way.

    Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.

    The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
    Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
    (in the UK sense of the word).

    Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is
    Gallows Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away,
    not directly across. Directly across from me is a facility
    where very large dump trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as
    possible, unfortunately. At least they only do so all day. They
    used to also do so all night. (I'm not quite directly on
    Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from my bedroom window.)
    But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to the hospital.

    Directly across Gallows from Inova Fairfax Hospital is what used
    to be the Exxon/Mobil headquarters but is now the Inova Center
    for Personalized Health. (Ever since Obamacare put its thumb on
    the scale, more and more of the US economy is devoted to medical
    care. If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every
    building in the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a
    Starbucks in a medical facility.)

    I'm reminded of the Simpons gag with the Starbuks in a Starbucks.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to John on Tue Aug 24 16:29:18 2021
    In article <20210824162716.7ddc08029df1ed20290c2c27@127.0.0.1>,
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    []

    The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
    occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
    year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
    reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some

    I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather
    not have it happen.

    Right. I assume, from your omission of injuries, that there
    weren't any?

    What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?

    Well, same as if the parents had decided not to find out the
    gender before birth. Which is how it was when I was having kids.
    Nurse, seeing my son emerge into the world: "It's a boy!"
    Obstetrician, having had to deliver my son's Viking shoulders,
    "No it's not, it's a human moose!"

    A generation later, my son's and daughter-in-law's firstborn
    (identified as male at birth), at not quite age four, said, "I want
    to be a girl!" They said, "Okay, (And we're going to have to
    research trans-friendly kindergartens.)"


    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Aug 24 09:40:20 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks >(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point. >There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
    close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
    part of Greater Boston. Even so...
    During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their agents to
    live off the land, teaching them to be able to find edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the survival of their agents by making sure there was
    a McDonalds every fifty feet across the face of the earth.

    There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.

    I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was still a going concern.

    Pt

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Aug 24 11:47:23 2021
    On 8/24/2021 7:29 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
    There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
    close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
    part of Greater Boston. Even so...

    Old cartoon, two Starbucks executives. "I think we may be expanding too
    fast. We just opened a Starbucks inside of a Starbucks."

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Tue Aug 24 11:07:55 2021
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in news:392cf926-e0b7-462a-bf52-28d8305c45f5n@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey
    wrote:
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given
    geographic point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles
    of my workplace. That was close to Harvard Square, so the
    2-mile radius circle covered a large part of Greater Boston.
    Even so...
    During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their
    agents to live off the land, teaching them to be able to find
    edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible
    insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the
    survival of their agents by making sure there was a McDonalds
    every fifty feet across the face of the earth.

    There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.

    I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was
    still a going concern.

    I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
    The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
    average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
    got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
    lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
    can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
    meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha on Tue Aug 24 12:26:44 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
    Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in news:392cf926-e0b7-462a...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey
    wrote:
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given
    geographic point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles
    of my workplace. That was close to Harvard Square, so the
    2-mile radius circle covered a large part of Greater Boston.
    Even so...
    During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their
    agents to live off the land, teaching them to be able to find
    edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible
    insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the
    survival of their agents by making sure there was a McDonalds
    every fifty feet across the face of the earth.

    There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.

    I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was
    still a going concern.

    I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
    The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
    average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
    got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
    lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
    can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
    meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

    Well, you made me go and check. They say memory is the second
    thing to go.

    I was definitely in Soviet Estonia in 1985. However the first
    McD there opened in 1995, when I was on another visit to
    once-again independent (and non-Communist) Estonia. The
    Moscow store you mention was in Jan 1990, almost 2 years
    before the final breakup.

    pt

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to taustinca@gmail.com on Tue Aug 24 21:16:51 2021
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:07:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

    I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
    The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
    average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
    got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
    lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
    can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
    meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

    It made the news here today that all the Mcdonalds in the UK have run out of milksahkes and bottled drinks!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58315152

    It is mostly being blamed on a shortage of truck drivers, for various reasons including Covid, Brexit (Our exit from the European Union, for anyone
    fortunate enough not to have heard the term!), and the inability of our government to organise a pi**-up in a brewery :-)

    Alan Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Tue Aug 24 18:23:55 2021
    On 8/24/21 12:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <20210824162716.7ddc08029df1ed20290c2c27@127.0.0.1>,
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    []
    The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
    occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
    year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
    reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some
    I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather
    not have it happen.
    Right. I assume, from your omission of injuries, that there
    weren't any?


    Correct. As I said, there may have been property damage, but as far as I
    know no one has filed a successful claim. The reported cracks in walls
    could have been there before.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Tue Aug 24 18:25:42 2021
    On 8/24/21 11:53 AM, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
    the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
    a medical facility.)

    You'll be able to avoid both by going to a small town...hospitals are
    closing and Starbucks isn't interested in that demographic, except to
    push bagged coffee in the local market.
    We own some land outside of a town in Oklahoma (small, but still the
    county seat and home to half the county's population). The closest
    Starbucks is 72 miles away. They do have a hospital, for now, but most
    of the people I know in the area end up travelling the 150 miles to Oklahoma City (or sometimes the 250 to Dallas).

    There's a Starbucks less than 2 miles from where I now live, but it's
    across the state line, in the city of Haverhill.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Wed Aug 25 00:02:05 2021
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    A generation later, my son's and daughter-in-law's firstborn
    (identified as male at birth), at not quite age four, said, "I want
    to be a girl!" They said, "Okay, (And we're going to have to
    research trans-friendly kindergartens.)"

    At the risk of my being called transphobic and "literally Hitler,"
    perhaps the child doesn't yet fully know themself, hence shouldn't
    be pushed into a life-long female role because of a passing remark
    that they may have forgotten by the next day. At that age I remember
    briefly identifying as all sorts of things, including a pirate, a king,
    a wizard, and even a horse. I'm glad I wasn't put out to pasture.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Wed Aug 25 00:12:00 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
    occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news
    this year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a
    "gender reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual
    explosions. Some people claimed property damage, but I don't think
    any claims were upheld. The guy who did it got a suspended fine.

    I now live about three miles from the quarry. The blast was
    probably audible here.

    The noise from the dump trucks across the street from me can often be
    faintly heard from my brother's house more than a mile away when it's
    quiet there.

    In 2005 my office moved about a mile. The same busking bagpipe player
    could be clearly heard at both locations. And that was in downtown DC,
    which always has plenty of background noise.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Aug 24 23:51:03 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    The reported cracks in walls could have been there before.

    I read about claims filed for cracks caused by the first nuclear bomb
    test. Some of them were paid, others were debunked by finding dirt
    and cobwebs in the old cracks. The same could be done with the claims
    for claimed gender-reveal bomb cracks.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to John on Wed Aug 25 00:04:43 2021
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd
    rather not have it happen.

    People have been killed by gender reveals gone wrong, but not in that
    New Hampshire case.

    What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?

    Then the parents will be required to get another 80 pounds of
    explosive and do it again, of course.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Aug 25 00:45:37 2021
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their agents
    to live off the land, teaching them to be able to find edible items
    under any conditions and to survive off edible insects and roots.
    While, at the same time the CIA assured the survival of their agents
    by making sure there was a McDonalds every fifty feet across the
    face of the earth.

    I gues the KGB cared more for their agents' health. :-)

    There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.

    Ray Kroc won. Better him than Stalin.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Wed Aug 25 00:43:26 2021
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    If I walk or ride the bus ~ 1 mi I wind up in a commercial area that
    has 3 supermarkets. No Lidl, but there's an Aldi.

    An Aldi opened about 3/4 mile (1.2 km) from me four years ago. The
    much closer Lidl opened two months ago. Both of them are south of me,
    both of them are on Gallows Road. They're much alike. For instance
    their prices are low, they expect you to bring your own bag, and they
    don't provide a hand basket.

    Some of their products appear to be identical in price and contents.
    For instance the Lidl dry roasted peanuts, of which I stocked up on
    six months supply to use their coupons, taste exactly like Aldi's,
    have the same price, and are in identical jars. Only the labels and
    jar lid colors differ. The jar lids are even interchangeable -- a
    Lidl lid fits just fine on an Aldi jar, and vice versa.

    I haven't visited that Aldi in months, but I use Instacart to
    deliver groceries from there. They sent me loads of food 24 hours
    before TS Henri showed up.

    Henri missed where I live. We did get heavy rain every single day
    last week, but I think that was partly Fred and partly random nameless
    storms. At least we never have to worry about wildfires. Only about
    poison mushrooms growing on our lawns, poison ivy, and mosquitos.
    (And, if we get much more rain, perhaps quicksand.)

    I could walk up the hill from the intersection of the streets the
    markets are on, but it is quite steep, and the hospital really ought
    to remotely monitor my vital signs I'm while doing that!

    Exercise is good for you. And it's a useful test: If you can walk to
    the hospital, you don't need to go to the hospital.

    Gallows Road is mostly level, but if instead of following it, either
    to Tysons in one direction or Annandale in the other, I head in the
    direction of Vienna, e.g. to my brother's house there, that's fairly
    hilly. Especially when I take the inaptly named Hilltop Road, which
    is high on both ends but low in the middle.

    Near the middle is Royal Saudi cultural mission, with its cheerful
    green flag featuring a sword. (At least it doesn't feature an AK-47,
    as one country's flag does.) There are parallel stripes on its large
    front patio. Using Google Earth, I was able to confirm that they
    indeed point directly at Mecca. (I rotate the image until they're
    pointing exactly left-right, then zoom out and out and out until
    Mecca comes into view.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Wed Aug 25 00:50:21 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic
    point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace.

    At one time there were three in the Tysons mall, and two more at the
    other Tysons mall across the street from the first Tysons mall. I
    know there were others within a mile or two, but I don't know how
    many. Probably not 80.

    I don't drink coffee, but I once had a donut at a Starbucks. (Someone
    bought it for me.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Tue Aug 24 18:18:51 2021
    On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 00:04:43 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd
    rather not have it happen.

    People have been killed by gender reveals gone wrong, but not in that
    New Hampshire case.

    What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?

    Then the parents will be required to get another 80 pounds of
    explosive and do it again, of course.

    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers and took about a week
    to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.

    (Part of the reason for the vagueness is I'm reporting from memory,
    that was one of three fires that week, and we get so many fires here
    that they tend to merge in memory (even when they don't on the
    ground).)
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Wed Aug 25 03:11:49 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers and took about a
    week to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.

    Easily found via a search engine that Gary prefers that I not name:

    A California couple has been criminally charged for their role in
    igniting last year's destructive El Dorado wildfire after they used
    a pyrotechnic device during a gender-reveal party.

    The blaze torched close to 23,000 acres (9,300 hectares), destroyed
    five homes and 15 other buildings, and claimed the life of a
    firefighter, Charlie Morton.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/couple-gender-reveal-party-wildfire-charged

    On July 4, 2007, the official fireworks show in Vienna, Virginia,
    where I lived at the time, malfunctioned in the same way, sending
    rockets into the crowd. Several people were severely burned.
    Fortunately for me, I wasn't there, but was at my usual Fourth of July
    picnic at a home in Arlington, which featured an illegal fireworks
    show at which nobody was hurt.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to merri...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 24 19:25:34 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4, merri...@gmail.com wrote:

    [snip]

    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers ...

    The barrage landed on a Best Buy....? :)

    and took about a week
    to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.

    (Part of the reason for the vagueness is I'm reporting from memory,
    that was one of three fires that week, and we get so many fires here
    that they tend to merge in memory (even when they don't on the
    ground).)

    Here in CT, there are fierce wrangles before local Planning &
    Zoning committees over whether people are allowed permits
    to blast through rock so that they can put up homes and other
    structures. The problem of neighboring properties suffering
    damage from blasting is common around various New England
    towns.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Aug 25 04:38:50 2021
    In article <sg419t$gh9$3@reader1.panix.com>,
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    A generation later, my son's and daughter-in-law's firstborn
    (identified as male at birth), at not quite age four, said, "I want
    to be a girl!" They said, "Okay, (And we're going to have to
    research trans-friendly kindergartens.)"

    At the risk of my being called transphobic and "literally Hitler,"
    perhaps the child doesn't yet fully know themself, hence shouldn't
    be pushed into a life-long female role because of a passing remark
    that they may have forgotten by the next day.

    No, when the twifly dress arrived a few weeks later, she was
    delighted with it and put it on and twirled.

    At that age I remember
    briefly identifying as all sorts of things, including a pirate, a king,
    a wizard, and even a horse. I'm glad I wasn't put out to pasture.

    It's true, she's only four, and may change her mind. But her
    parents are doing her the courtesy of not assuming that she's
    going to.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Tue Aug 24 21:23:43 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:11:51 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers and took about a
    week to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.
    Easily found via a search engine that Gary prefers that I not name:

    A California couple has been criminally charged for their role in
    igniting last year's destructive El Dorado wildfire after they used
    a pyrotechnic device during a gender-reveal party.

    The blaze torched close to 23,000 acres (9,300 hectares), destroyed
    five homes and 15 other buildings, and claimed the life of a
    firefighter, Charlie Morton.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/couple-gender-reveal-party-wildfire-charged

    On July 4, 2007, the official fireworks show in Vienna, Virginia,
    where I lived at the time, malfunctioned in the same way, sending
    rockets into the crowd. Several people were severely burned.
    Fortunately for me, I wasn't there, but was at my usual Fourth of July
    picnic at a home in Arlington, which featured an illegal fireworks
    show at which nobody was hurt.
    --

    One good thing about living on Long Island growing up is
    that local fireworks mavens would build the launch array
    for their shows on barges and fire the rockets from the
    harbor, not the shore. Should something go wrong the
    whole shabang could go right into the drink.

    On land, though....

    [quote]

    In 1983, disaster struck the company when an explosion at the company's
    factory in Bellport, New York killed two family members and heavily
    damaged dozens of nearby homes. As a result, the company moved its
    operations from Bellport to Yaphank, New York* a more secluded area.

    [/quote] - "Fireworks by Grucci"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireworks_by_Grucci

    * My family used to buy from Mr Kulakowski's stand on his farm in
    Yaphank. They had delicious sweet corn, tomatoes, cukes, Long
    Island Potatoes (of course!), watermelon and many other veggies.
    I could do with a visit to a local farm stand.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Wed Aug 25 11:04:00 2021
    In article <77727d67-bacf-4d59-a139-103bb373e5b7n@googlegroups.com>, kevrob@my-deja.com (Kevrob) wrote:


    The barrage landed on a Best Buy....? :)

    :-)

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Wed Aug 25 11:04:00 2021
    In article <sg43ne$ibt$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    Exercise is good for you. And it's a useful test: If you can walk to
    the hospital, you don't need to go to the hospital.

    When I came out of hospital back in January, the cardiac nurse wanted me
    to do at least a ten-minute walk every day - on the level. When I
    mentioned this to a neighbour, he said I could always walk up and down
    the street ten times. (For those that don't know Guildford, it's where
    the River Wey cuts through the North Downs and everywhere is uphill from everywhere else.)

    Since then my walking has much improved and yesterday according to the
    walking app on my phone, I walked for 120 minutes, 40 of which were brisk.
    No, I don't know how it defines brisk.

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Wed Aug 25 05:43:25 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:35 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4, merri...@gmail.com wrote:

    [snip]
    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers ...

    The barrage landed on a Best Buy....? :)
    and took about a week
    to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.

    (Part of the reason for the vagueness is I'm reporting from memory,
    that was one of three fires that week, and we get so many fires here
    that they tend to merge in memory (even when they don't on the
    ground).)
    Here in CT, there are fierce wrangles before local Planning &
    Zoning committees over whether people are allowed permits
    to blast through rock so that they can put up homes and other
    structures. The problem of neighboring properties suffering
    damage from blasting is common around various New England
    towns.

    I find this a bit strange. I lived in Sweden in the 60's. Sweden is not
    only the birthplace of dynamite, it's also incredibly rocky - the glaciers stripped everything down to the granite bedrock.

    So, blasting is very common, and even back then, exquisitely controlled.
    I lived in a row house on Lidingo, and our neighbors decided they
    wanted to expand they're basement in to a space filled with bedrock.

    The contractor blasted it out, under our neighboring unit, with which
    we shared a wall. While we were evacuated during the actual blasting,
    there were zero other issues; not a cracked window, let alone a foundation.

    One thing they did in Sweden was to cover the blasting site with what I can only call 'blankets', made from old tire segments sewn together with wire
    rope. These prevented fragments from flying away, and mitigated the
    blast to some extent. However, I think skill in placing the charge, and in deciding the charge size, was the main factor.

    pt

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Aug 25 13:06:29 2021
    In article <memo.20210825110441.3844A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sg43ne$ibt$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. >Lynch) wrote:


    Exercise is good for you. And it's a useful test: If you can walk to
    the hospital, you don't need to go to the hospital.

    When I came out of hospital back in January, the cardiac nurse wanted me
    to do at least a ten-minute walk every day - on the level. When I
    mentioned this to a neighbour, he said I could always walk up and down
    the street ten times. (For those that don't know Guildford, it's where
    the River Wey cuts through the North Downs and everywhere is uphill from >everywhere else.)

    Since then my walking has much improved and yesterday according to the >walking app on my phone, I walked for 120 minutes, 40 of which were brisk. >No, I don't know how it defines brisk.

    Good for you. I used to walk miles every day (to work), but then
    the CFS went up a couple of notches and now I fall down a lot.
    If I fall on my backside (which is tolerably well padded), I
    don't get hurt. Hal or somebody has to lift me to my feet, but I
    don't get hurt.

    If, on the other foot, I fall *forward,* I sprain my toes, and
    can't walk for several days. There have been times when Hal has
    had to put me on a wheeled office chair (the actual wheelchair is
    too wide to get between the bed and the bookcases) and drag me to
    the bathroom. I am so glad you are doing better than that.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 25 16:45:00 2021
    In article <qyECEt.H5q@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:


    If, on the other foot, I fall *forward,* I sprain my toes, and
    can't walk for several days.

    My sister (who is four years younger than me) is a keen runner. A few
    weeks ago, she slipped running and her leg hurt. But she still went for
    a week's holiday in the Outer Hebrides. It was only when she got back
    she discovered she'd broken her leg.

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to pete...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 25 09:30:28 2021
    On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:43:26 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:25:35 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4, merri...@gmail.com wrote:

    [snip]
    Last(?) year one of our (SoCal) wild fires was started by a gender
    reveal party. They planed to launch blue or pink fireworks, but
    someone knocked over the rocket platform as they were lighting the
    fuses, and the rockets went off into the brush, starting the fire
    which burned some hundreds or thousands of Acers ...

    The barrage landed on a Best Buy....? :)
    and took about a week
    to contain. I don't remember if anyone died as a result.

    (Part of the reason for the vagueness is I'm reporting from memory,
    that was one of three fires that week, and we get so many fires here
    that they tend to merge in memory (even when they don't on the
    ground).)
    Here in CT, there are fierce wrangles before local Planning &
    Zoning committees over whether people are allowed permits
    to blast through rock so that they can put up homes and other
    structures. The problem of neighboring properties suffering
    damage from blasting is common around various New England
    towns.
    I find this a bit strange. I lived in Sweden in the 60's. Sweden is not
    only the birthplace of dynamite, it's also incredibly rocky - the glaciers stripped everything down to the granite bedrock.

    So, blasting is very common, and even back then, exquisitely controlled.
    I lived in a row house on Lidingo, and our neighbors decided they
    want

    My ed to expand they're basement in to a space filled with bedrock.

    The contractor blasted it out, under our neighboring unit, with which
    we shared a wall. While we were evacuated during the actual blasting,
    there were zero other issues; not a cracked window, let alone a foundation.

    One thing they did in Sweden was to cover the blasting site with what I can only call 'blankets', made from old tire segments sewn together with wire rope. These prevented fragments from flying away, and mitigated the
    blast to some extent. However, I think skill in placing the charge, and in deciding the charge size, was the main factor.

    pt

    My gut reaction is that opposition to blasting is motivated more
    by NIMBYism than sincere and informed technical objections.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Aug 25 18:35:04 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <qyECEt.H5q@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:


    If, on the other foot, I fall *forward,* I sprain my toes, and
    can't walk for several days.

    My sister (who is four years younger than me) is a keen runner. A few
    weeks ago, she slipped running and her leg hurt. But she still went for
    a week's holiday in the Outer Hebrides. It was only when she got back
    she discovered she'd broken her leg.

    A few days into our last trip to the UK my wife fell down the stairs hurrying to her seat for The Phantom. She decided she had sprained her ankle (yet again) so we bandaged it and got her a cane. By the end of the trip we realized it probably wasn't a sprain. We got her back to Dallas (with the use of a wheelchair after the long flight) and stopped at the local ER on the way
    home. X-ray showed both bones in her leg broken just above the ankle. Fortunately there was no damage from walking around on it for ten days...all
    it needed was a boot and some time.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Aug 25 14:32:57 2021
    On 8/24/21 8:50 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
    (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic
    point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace.

    At one time there were three in the Tysons mall, and two more at the
    other Tysons mall across the street from the first Tysons mall. I
    know there were others within a mile or two, but I don't know how
    many. Probably not 80.

    I don't drink coffee, but I once had a donut at a Starbucks. (Someone
    bought it for me.)


    Be careful with those donuts. On Twitter, I replied to a tweet
    mentioning Krispy Kreme's giving away donuts to vaccinated people. I
    said that meant you could die of a heart attack rather than COVID.
    Twitter took this as a threat to induce a heart attack (by voodoo, I
    guess), and currently I'm not allowed to post to my account.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Wed Aug 25 20:43:12 2021
    In article <memo.20210825164551.19864B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <qyECEt.H5q@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >wrote:


    If, on the other foot, I fall *forward,* I sprain my toes, and
    can't walk for several days.

    My sister (who is four years younger than me) is a keen runner. A few
    weeks ago, she slipped running and her leg hurt. But she still went for
    a week's holiday in the Outer Hebrides. It was only when she got back
    she discovered she'd broken her leg.

    Wow! She's a better woman than I am, Gunga Din.

    I did manage to walk to bathroom and kitchen today, by leaning on
    the furniture a lot. But the left foot still hurt a lot.

    If this lasts much longer, I may call my doctor and ask if he thinks
    I need a podiatrist, or at least some X-rays.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Thu Aug 26 02:47:57 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I don't drink coffee, but I once had a donut at a Starbucks.
    (Someone bought it for me.)

    Be careful with those donuts. On Twitter, I replied to a tweet
    mentioning Krispy Kreme's giving away donuts to vaccinated people.
    I said that meant you could die of a heart attack rather than COVID.
    Twitter took this as a threat to induce a heart attack (by voodoo, I
    guess), and currently I'm not allowed to post to my account.

    I'm at no risk of being kicked off Twitter, since I've never had a
    Twitter account. I can read it, if I'm willing to put up with being
    constantly nagged to sign in or get an account, but can't post to it.

    I really don't get so-called social networks. If I wanted to live in
    a walled garden, I'd go back in time to before the Internet sprang
    from Al Gore's brow, and sign up with Delphi or Prodigy or The Source.

    As for heart attacks, if someone who eats donuts every day will get
    a heart attack in ten years, then I'm likely to get a heart attack
    in about a thousand years, so I'm not worried about it. Anyhow, my increasingly insane landlord/housemate tells me that I will die this
    winter, along with everyone else who is vaccinated against covid-19.
    He's concerned that he might catch the vaccine from me. Did I mention
    that he's crazy? Any crazier and he'll start informing Alex Jones of
    massive worldwide conspiracies rather than vice versa.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Aug 26 02:37:33 2021
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    A few weeks ago, she slipped running and her leg hurt. But she
    still went for a week's holiday in the Outer Hebrides.

    My only mental association with "Hebrides" is Felix Mendelssohn's
    Hebrides Overture. (Has anyone ever found the rest of the opera?)
    That overture is also known as Fingal's Cave. I see that there is
    such a cave, but it's in the Inner Hebrides, not the Outer Hebrides.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to kevrob@my-deja.com on Thu Aug 26 04:44:42 2021
    In article <df85c7b5-c14d-4b7e-82b3-54bd730197fbn@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 10:47:58 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    [snip]

    As for heart attacks, if someone who eats donuts every day will get
    a heart attack in ten years, then I'm likely to get a heart attack
    in about a thousand years, so I'm not worried about it. Anyhow, my
    increasingly insane landlord/housemate tells me that I will die this
    winter, along with everyone else who is vaccinated against covid-19.
    He's concerned that he might catch the vaccine from me. Did I mention
    that he's crazy?

    Not previously, but by the Great Horn Spoon, you just did.

    Any crazier and he'll start informing Alex Jones of
    massive worldwide conspiracies rather than vice versa.


    I need to be walking more than a half mile at a time. The hot weather
    ought to cool off on the weekend, so maybe I can get some miles in!
    {Hmmm.... the public library is 2.2 mi round trip...}

    I used to walk that far (each way) to work. Honesty forces me to
    admit that I usually took the bus home.

    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Aug 25 21:21:03 2021
    On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 10:47:58 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    [snip]

    As for heart attacks, if someone who eats donuts every day will get
    a heart attack in ten years, then I'm likely to get a heart attack
    in about a thousand years, so I'm not worried about it. Anyhow, my increasingly insane landlord/housemate tells me that I will die this
    winter, along with everyone else who is vaccinated against covid-19.
    He's concerned that he might catch the vaccine from me. Did I mention
    that he's crazy? Any crazier and he'll start informing Alex Jones of
    massive worldwide conspiracies rather than vice versa.
    --

    I don't keep donuts in the house, so, if I want one, I have to walk 0.6
    mi, round trip, to the local Dunkin'. A quarter of the trip is down a steep hill, half of it on the flat, and a quarter of it up the same hill. Most times, when I do that, I skip the pastry and get a Diet Dr Pepper. A better walk
    is up the same hill in the other direction to its peak, down the opposite slope, and on to the grocery store. That's 2-miles, round trip, and I can
    take my grocery cart and buy something nice to make for dinner. I'm
    not having diet soda right now, but a 50/50 mixture of cranberry/raspberry juice cocktail and plain seltzer. It's quite refreshing, and cutting the juice drink with seltzer makes it much less sweet. I have a wicked sweet tooth,
    so I am vigilant about avoiding foods that don't need sugar in them, but
    have it added, anyway.

    TV news is reporting that Johnson & Johnson/Jannsen have a very
    effective second shot in the works. My original shot should be good
    until November, so if it is approved by then I'll be able to get that. The
    3rd shot of Moderna should be approved soon. I'm not a huge FDA fan.
    Private certification that the vaccines were safe would have been enough
    for me, had such a system been allowed to evolve. But anybody who
    had been waiting for the drugs to move from "emergency experimental"
    to "government approved" ought to get their Pfizer jabs, ASAP, special
    health considerations notwithstanding. Moderna has submitted its
    approval application . J&J/J have yet to do that.

    I need to be walking more than a half mile at a time. The hot weather
    ought to cool off on the weekend, so maybe I can get some miles in!
    {Hmmm.... the public library is 2.2 mi round trip...}

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Aug 26 01:10:33 2021
    On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 12:55:01 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <df85c7b5-c14d-4b7e...@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 10:47:58 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    [snip]

    As for heart attacks, if someone who eats donuts every day will get
    a heart attack in ten years, then I'm likely to get a heart attack
    in about a thousand years, so I'm not worried about it. Anyhow, my
    increasingly insane landlord/housemate tells me that I will die this
    winter, along with everyone else who is vaccinated against covid-19.
    He's concerned that he might catch the vaccine from me. Did I mention
    that he's crazy?
    Not previously, but by the Great Horn Spoon, you just did.
    Any crazier and he'll start informing Alex Jones of
    massive worldwide conspiracies rather than vice versa.


    I need to be walking more than a half mile at a time. The hot weather
    ought to cool off on the weekend, so maybe I can get some miles in! >{Hmmm.... the public library is 2.2 mi round trip...}
    I used to walk that far (each way) to work. Honesty forces me to
    admit that I usually took the bus home.

    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.
    --


    I've had medical problems that made shuffling to the bathroom
    or kitchen a real chore. I empathize! I'm happy that those were
    temporary conditions, once my medicos figured out how to
    alleviate them. I dread other systems degrading with similar
    effects.

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Aug 26 07:09:58 2021
    On 8/26/21 12:44 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.

    Mokka is having trouble walking to the litter box and back this morning.
    I called the "24-hour" emergency vet, only to find that they don't open
    till 8 AM due to a shortage of veterinarians. They neglect to mention
    this on their website.

    I hope they find something treatable.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to rkshullat@rosettacondot.com on Thu Aug 26 11:35:00 2021
    In article <sg62go$hoo$1@memoryalpha.rosettacon.com>, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com () wrote:

    all
    it needed was a boot and some time.

    My sister said yesterday she was no longer having to wear a boot.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Thu Aug 26 11:35:00 2021
    In article <sg6upd$571$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    My only mental association with "Hebrides" is Felix Mendelssohn's
    Hebrides Overture. (Has anyone ever found the rest of the opera?)
    That overture is also known as Fingal's Cave. I see that there is
    such a cave, but it's in the Inner Hebrides, not the Outer Hebrides.

    You are being ironic, I assume, and are aware that it is a concert
    overture? No opera followed.

    Apparently, Mendelssohn went to visit the cave on a visit to Scotland and
    the Macpherson Ossian poems were all the rage at the time which featured
    the mythic hero Fionn mac Cumhaill, often given as Fingal.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Aug 26 07:16:16 2021
    On 8/26/21 6:34 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <sg6upd$571$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    My only mental association with "Hebrides" is Felix Mendelssohn's
    Hebrides Overture. (Has anyone ever found the rest of the opera?)
    That overture is also known as Fingal's Cave. I see that there is
    such a cave, but it's in the Inner Hebrides, not the Outer Hebrides.

    You are being ironic, I assume, and are aware that it is a concert
    overture? No opera followed.

    Apparently, Mendelssohn went to visit the cave on a visit to Scotland and
    the Macpherson Ossian poems were all the rage at the time which featured
    the mythic hero Fionn mac Cumhaill, often given as Fingal.


    Also often known as Finn McCool.

    One of my favorite Mendelssohn pieces is "The First Walpurgis Night," a
    cantata using a text by Goethe. The discussion of it on Primephonic
    talks about its philosophical depths, but I can't find any. The story is
    that the pagans are being pressed hard by the Christian authorities. In
    order to hold their animal sacrifice without being disturbed, they dress
    up as witches and demons and scare the Christian watch away. It's a fun
    piece, and one of the very few pro-pagan pieces in classical music.
    Perhaps Mendelssohn, who came from a Jewish family (though it converted
    to Christianity when he was very young) could relate to the pagans'
    situation.



    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Thu Aug 26 11:15:39 2021
    Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
    Dormer) wrote:

    Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work >>done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
    Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

    I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
    implants, and denture fittings.

    Could be a local(i[zs]ed) difference - my dentist does all of this
    (though I am not sure about the denture fittings - I *think* he sends
    his clients to have it done elsewhere, I have no direct experience
    myself)

    ObSF: Včera, dnes, zajtra by Jozef Schek (short summary since I think
    there are some people here who did not read it: archaeological
    excavations uncover a skull with unbelievable perfect teeth. Of
    course, it turns out time travel is/was/will be involved)

    --
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    | Radovan Garabík http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/ |
    | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk |
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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to kevrob@my-deja.com on Thu Aug 26 12:56:50 2021
    In article <24aab067-2003-4164-a541-ca8f3da83b12n@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 12:55:01 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <df85c7b5-c14d-4b7e...@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 10:47:58 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote: >> >
    [snip]

    As for heart attacks, if someone who eats donuts every day will get
    a heart attack in ten years, then I'm likely to get a heart attack
    in about a thousand years, so I'm not worried about it. Anyhow, my
    increasingly insane landlord/housemate tells me that I will die this
    winter, along with everyone else who is vaccinated against covid-19.
    He's concerned that he might catch the vaccine from me. Did I mention
    that he's crazy?
    Not previously, but by the Great Horn Spoon, you just did.
    Any crazier and he'll start informing Alex Jones of
    massive worldwide conspiracies rather than vice versa.


    I need to be walking more than a half mile at a time. The hot weather
    ought to cool off on the weekend, so maybe I can get some miles in!
    {Hmmm.... the public library is 2.2 mi round trip...}
    I used to walk that far (each way) to work. Honesty forces me to
    admit that I usually took the bus home.

    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.


    I've had medical problems that made shuffling to the bathroom
    or kitchen a real chore. I empathize! I'm happy that those were
    temporary conditions, once my medicos figured out how to
    alleviate them. I dread other systems degrading with similar
    effects.

    Oh, good for you and your medicos!



    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Aug 26 13:00:01 2021
    In article <memo.20210826113504.16088C@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sg6upd$571$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. >Lynch) wrote:

    My only mental association with "Hebrides" is Felix Mendelssohn's
    Hebrides Overture. (Has anyone ever found the rest of the opera?)
    That overture is also known as Fingal's Cave. I see that there is
    such a cave, but it's in the Inner Hebrides, not the Outer Hebrides.

    You are being ironic, I assume, and are aware that it is a concert
    overture? No opera followed.

    Apparently, Mendelssohn went to visit the cave on a visit to Scotland and
    the Macpherson Ossian poems were all the rage at the time which featured
    the mythic hero Fionn mac Cumhaill, often given as Fingal.

    And he got horribly seasick on the visit. But *after* he got
    back onto dry land, then he was able to appreciate the sights.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Thu Aug 26 12:58:21 2021
    In article <sg7sq6$v5s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/26/21 12:44 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.

    Mokka is having trouble walking to the litter box and back this morning.
    I called the "24-hour" emergency vet, only to find that they don't open
    till 8 AM due to a shortage of veterinarians. They neglect to mention
    this on their website.

    I hope they find something treatable.

    I hope so too. How old is Mokka?

    Our cats, now at about fourteen months, are in robust good health
    and perform the morning-and-evening crazies with great glee.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Aug 26 13:27:46 2021
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:

    I don't know about turtles, but we've had several packages sent
    from wherever they started to a central office fairly near where
    we are, only to be forwarded to ANOTHER central office further
    away, and sit there for a week or two till they finally get sent
    somewhere nearby and then get delivered in the next day or two.

    I witnessed a package sent from Liverpool to Bratislava making circles
    within Germany for some weeks (!) before disappearing for good.

    I suspect trans-dimensional portals are involved.

    --
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    | Radovan Garabík http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/ |
    | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk |
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  • From garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Aug 26 13:23:51 2021
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are
    no buttons with hidden URLs to worry about.

    Likewise. Except replace "whenever possible" with "always."

    Always, but if I see it is important, it is a matter of an eyeblink to
    hit "v" to display e-mail composition, navigate to the html part, hit
    Enter and it opens a window in my (usually running) GUI browser. In
    incognito, sandboxed mode (previously, I used lynx, but more often than
    not, if there is a html e-mail without a readable text alternative, it
    won't display well in lynx).


    I've recently received some emails with xlsx attachments. Any idea
    how to decode those?

    localc is the canonical way; though for your needs I guess xlsx2csv is
    the best

    I've found that the best way to deal with it is to locate the login
    link, discard the rest of it, manually un-MIME it, turn it into a
    proper web page, upload it to my public website, and then load it from
    a graphical browser. Neither convenient nor secure.

    Your browser cannot open file:// URLs? Nor does it recognize a file
    as a $1 argument? What kind of a twisted, unpleasant OS is that?

    Though, incidentally, you re-discovered the modern way of dealing with attachments - (have the software, often automatically and without a
    possibility to change it) upload them to a public attachment-viewing
    service, such as Google Drive and view them in your browser.

    --
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    | Radovan Garabík http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/ |
    | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk |
    -----------------------------------------------------------
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    Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread!

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba on Thu Aug 26 07:48:34 2021
    On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 9:23:56 AM UTC-4, garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are
    no buttons with hidden URLs to worry about.

    Likewise. Except replace "whenever possible" with "always."

    Always, but if I see it is important, it is a matter of an eyeblink to
    hit "v" to display e-mail composition, navigate to the html part, hit
    Enter and it opens a window in my (usually running) GUI browser. In incognito, sandboxed mode (previously, I used lynx, but more often than
    not, if there is a html e-mail without a readable text alternative, it
    won't display well in lynx).


    I've recently received some emails with xlsx attachments. Any idea
    how to decode those?

    localc is the canonical way; though for your needs I guess xlsx2csv is
    the best

    I've found that the best way to deal with it is to locate the login
    link, discard the rest of it, manually un-MIME it, turn it into a
    proper web page, upload it to my public website, and then load it from
    a graphical browser. Neither convenient nor secure.

    Your browser cannot open file:// URLs? Nor does it recognize a file
    as a $1 argument? What kind of a twisted, unpleasant OS is that?


    I believe Keith prefers to use Lynx as a browser, trn as a news agent.
    I'm not sure what he uses for mail, possibly mm.

    pt

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Thu Aug 26 17:27:40 2021
    On 8/26/21 8:58 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <sg7sq6$v5s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/26/21 12:44 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    Now it's all I can do to walk to the bathroom and back.

    Mokka is having trouble walking to the litter box and back this morning.
    I called the "24-hour" emergency vet, only to find that they don't open
    till 8 AM due to a shortage of veterinarians. They neglect to mention
    this on their website.

    I hope they find something treatable.

    I hope so too. How old is Mokka?

    Our cats, now at about fourteen months, are in robust good health
    and perform the morning-and-evening crazies with great glee.


    Mokka is 17. I got an appointment with my regular vet. Her weight was
    low but not down from last time, her temperature was a shade high, and
    the bloodwork didn't show anything beyond the known kidney problems.

    But her behavior was atypical. She normally fights anyone who tries to
    handle her, except me, furiously. She let people pick her up without a
    protest today. At one point she had what might have been a mild seizure.
    If only by elimination, the signs are pointing to something
    brain-related. I got a tube of Mirataz to improve her appetite.

    Sometimes cats improve after brain-related incidents, but the hope isn't
    high. I'd just like her to hang on a while longer, so I don't have to
    lose both cats in the same month. But if she keeps getting worse, I'll
    do what I have to.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Jeff Urs@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Thu Aug 26 21:22:11 2021
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Mokka is having trouble walking to the litter box and back this morning.
    [snip]
    I hope they find something treatable.

    May it even be so.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Fri Aug 27 06:59:56 2021
    On 8/26/21 5:27 PM, Gary McGath wrote:

    Mokka is 17. I got an appointment with my regular vet. Her weight was
    low but not down from last time, her temperature was a shade high, and
    the bloodwork didn't show anything beyond the known kidney problems.

    But her behavior was atypical. She normally fights anyone who tries to
    handle her, except me, furiously. She let people pick her up without a protest today. At one point she had what might have been a mild seizure.
    If only by elimination, the signs are pointing to something
    brain-related. I got a tube of Mirataz to improve her appetite.

    Sometimes cats improve after brain-related incidents, but the hope isn't high. I'd just like her to hang on a while longer, so I don't have to
    lose both cats in the same month. But if she keeps getting worse, I'll
    do what I have to.


    Yesterday evening Mokka got worse, with rapid and labored breathing. She
    died about 1:30 AM.

    It's a consolation that she didn't have to face a scenario I had
    dreaded. If I'd found it necessary to get euthanasia, it was likely
    she'd experience her last waking moments in terror. But whatever
    happened to her brain took away her fear of other people. The end wasn't
    too stretched out, and I think or at least hope she didn't suffer too
    much. She seemed to be just out of it.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Fri Aug 27 12:55:06 2021
    In article <sgagje$6av$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/26/21 5:27 PM, Gary McGath wrote:

    Mokka is 17. I got an appointment with my regular vet. Her weight was
    low but not down from last time, her temperature was a shade high, and
    the bloodwork didn't show anything beyond the known kidney problems.

    But her behavior was atypical. She normally fights anyone who tries to
    handle her, except me, furiously. She let people pick her up without a
    protest today. At one point she had what might have been a mild seizure.
    If only by elimination, the signs are pointing to something
    brain-related. I got a tube of Mirataz to improve her appetite.

    Sometimes cats improve after brain-related incidents, but the hope isn't
    high. I'd just like her to hang on a while longer, so I don't have to
    lose both cats in the same month. But if she keeps getting worse, I'll
    do what I have to.


    Yesterday evening Mokka got worse, with rapid and labored breathing. She
    died about 1:30 AM.

    It's a consolation that she didn't have to face a scenario I had
    dreaded. If I'd found it necessary to get euthanasia, it was likely
    she'd experience her last waking moments in terror. But whatever
    happened to her brain took away her fear of other people. The end wasn't
    too stretched out, and I think or at least hope she didn't suffer too
    much. She seemed to be just out of it.

    I'm so sorry.

    But better that way, as you say, than the alternative.

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Lafe@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Fri Aug 27 15:05:15 2021
    On 2021-08-27, Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 8/26/21 5:27 PM, Gary McGath wrote:
    Yesterday evening Mokka got worse, with rapid and labored breathing. She
    died about 1:30 AM.

    It's a consolation that she didn't have to face a scenario I had
    dreaded. If I'd found it necessary to get euthanasia, it was likely
    she'd experience her last waking moments in terror. But whatever
    happened to her brain took away her fear of other people. The end wasn't
    too stretched out, and I think or at least hope she didn't suffer too
    much. She seemed to be just out of it.

    I'm just a new lurker around here, but I just wanted to say you have my empathy.

    I am very sorry for your loss.

    Lafe

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Lafe on Fri Aug 27 15:26:53 2021
    On 8/27/21 11:05 AM, Lafe wrote:

    I'm just a new lurker around here, but I just wanted to say you have my empathy.

    New lurkers are always welcome. There are few enough of us here. And thanks.



    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Fri Aug 27 13:39:00 2021
    On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 3:26:54 PM UTC-4, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 8/27/21 11:05 AM, Lafe wrote:

    I'm just a new lurker around here, but I just wanted to say you have my empathy.
    New lurkers are always welcome. There are few enough of us here. And thanks. --

    I agree with Lafe's sentiments, and with Gary's, also.

    <emphatic cough!>

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to kevrob@my-deja.com on Fri Aug 27 22:16:33 2021
    In article <c3a7b770-79bb-40e0-a385-0c1458b1bd40n@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 3:26:54 PM UTC-4, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 8/27/21 11:05 AM, Lafe wrote:

    I'm just a new lurker around here, but I just wanted to say you have
    my empathy.
    New lurkers are always welcome. There are few enough of us here. And thanks. >> --

    I agree with Lafe's sentiments, and with Gary's, also.

    <emphatic cough!>

    Yes. Welcome in!

    --
    Dorothy J. Heydt
    Vallejo, California
    djheydt at gmail dot com
    Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Sat Aug 28 03:12:01 2021
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    I'm not a huge FDA fan. Private certification that the vaccines
    were safe would have been enough for me, had such a system been
    allowed to evolve.

    Likewise. Just like Underwriters Labs does for electrical goods.
    UL was founded in the 19th century by a consortium of fire insurance
    companies.

    Lots of people understandably don't trust the government to accurately
    report on the safety of a vaccine. Especially now that the covid-19
    vaccines have sadly become politicised, and whether someone takes it
    seems to depend mostly on their political party. I'm thankful that
    nothing like that happened with previous vaccines, such as those for
    smallpox and polio.

    But insurance companies, whether medical, life, or long term care,
    have obvious motives to get accurate information on the risks and
    benefits of every common medical treatment and preventive, and have
    the money to get the research done thoroughly, quickly, and without
    bias, politics, or preconceptions.

    Unfortunately, Obamacare policies aren't allowed to "discriminate"
    based on what vaccines you've had. It would be nice if they were
    allowed to charge less to those who are vaccinated and more to those
    who refuse. The information on how much their prices differ would be
    useful information for the rest of us.

    And if there are people who believe that the virus is harmless
    or that the vaccine is harmful, they can pool their money and
    form an insurance company that charges the *refusers* less and the
    *vaccinated* more. If they're right, they'd make tons of money. And
    if there was no such firm, that lack would send an important message
    about vaccine safety to everyone. But under today's system, the only
    message the lack of such an insurer sends is that all such insurers
    would be illegal.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul on Sat Aug 28 02:49:01 2021
    <garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
    ObSF: V\304\215era, dnes, zajtra by Jozef Schek (short summary
    since I think there are some people here who did not read it:
    archaeological excavations uncover a skull with unbelievable perfect
    teeth. Of course, it turns out time travel is/was/will be involved)

    Lots of people died with perfect teeth before sugar became cheap and
    plentiful. Others did so because they died young. So there's nothing
    at all unusual about an ancient skull with perfect teeth.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Someone Else@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Fri Aug 27 23:46:27 2021
    In Message-ID:<sgc9i1$kac$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    It would be nice if they were
    allowed to charge less to those who are vaccinated and more to those
    who refuse.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/covid-costs-billions-so-delta-to-charge-unvaxxed-airline-workers-200-month/

    TL;DR: Some insurance companies will no longer waive the hospital
    charges for those with Covid-19 and who are unvaccinated. At least
    one company has a surcharge for employees to stay in the health plan
    if they're not vaccinated.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to kfl@KeithLynch.net on Fri Aug 27 20:41:43 2021
    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 02:49:01 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
    <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    <garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
    ObSF: V\304\215era, dnes, zajtra by Jozef Schek (short summary
    since I think there are some people here who did not read it:
    archaeological excavations uncover a skull with unbelievable perfect
    teeth. Of course, it turns out time travel is/was/will be involved)

    Lots of people died with perfect teeth before sugar became cheap and >plentiful. Others did so because they died young. So there's nothing
    at all unusual about an ancient skull with perfect teeth.

    Depends on where the skull was from, ancient Egyptians, for instance,
    tended to wear their teeth down, because sand got backed into their
    bread. So, if they lived to adulthood, they tended to die with
    severely worn, or completely missing teeth.
    --

    Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul on Sat Aug 28 11:27:39 2021
    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 10:22:05 -0000 (UTC) garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:

    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    <garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
    ObSF: V\304\215era, dnes, zajtra by Jozef Schek (short summary
    since I think there are some people here who did not read it:
    archaeological excavations uncover a skull with unbelievable perfect
    teeth. Of course, it turns out time travel is/was/will be involved)

    Lots of people died with perfect teeth before sugar became cheap and plentiful. Others did so because they died young. So there's nothing
    at all unusual about an ancient skull with perfect teeth.

    Perfect adult *regular* teeth, I'd say it is very unusual.
    Diamond-coated teeth, and a tiny very smooth hole in the skull, with
    a charred rim... this is when the protagonists started to consider time travel (or a practical joke) seriously.

    Hey! That was *my* great^n grandfather!

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.jul@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Aug 28 10:22:05 2021
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
    <garabik-news-2005-05@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
    ObSF: V\304\215era, dnes, zajtra by Jozef Schek (short summary
    since I think there are some people here who did not read it:
    archaeological excavations uncover a skull with unbelievable perfect
    teeth. Of course, it turns out time travel is/was/will be involved)

    Lots of people died with perfect teeth before sugar became cheap and plentiful. Others did so because they died young. So there's nothing
    at all unusual about an ancient skull with perfect teeth.

    Perfect adult *regular* teeth, I'd say it is very unusual.
    Diamond-coated teeth, and a tiny very smooth hole in the skull, with
    a charred rim... this is when the protagonists started to consider time
    travel (or a practical joke) seriously.

    --
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    | Radovan Garabík http://kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk/~garabik/ |
    | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk |
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    Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread!

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  • From Lafe@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 29 05:23:56 2021
    On 2021-08-27, Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    In article <c3a7b770-79bb-40e0-a385-0c1458b1bd40n@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 3:26:54 PM UTC-4, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 8/27/21 11:05 AM, Lafe wrote:

    I'm just a new lurker around here, but I just wanted to say you have
    my empathy.
    New lurkers are always welcome. There are few enough of us here. And thanks.
    --

    I agree with Lafe's sentiments, and with Gary's, also.

    <emphatic cough!>

    Yes. Welcome in!

    Thank you all for the welcome!

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