• MT VOID, 04/07/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 41, Whole Number 2270

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    THE MT VOID
    04/07/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 41, Whole Number 2270

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 18 (Disney's PINOCCHIO, GUILLERMO
    DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO, BRIAN AND CHARLES)
    (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and
    Evelyn C. Leeper)
    This Week's Reading (PAST IMPERFECT) (book comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 18 (film reviews by Mark R. Leeper and
    Evelyn C. Leeper)

    This is the eighteenth batch of mini-reviews, three films about
    robots. Well, sort of. And guess, one of them ran earlier
    (12/23/22), but they were too perfect to run as a set to let that
    stop us.

    Disney's PINOCCHIO: At the beginning of Disney's PINOCCHIO, Jiminy
    Cricket gets into an argument with the narrator. It is always the
    best idea to stay on the good side of the narrator.

    We call this "Disney's Pinocchio" to distinguish it from the
    Netflix PINOCCHIO, a.k.a. "Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio". These
    are in keeping with the gran Hollywood tradition of having one
    studio announce a film, and then another one do a copycat version.
    An example would be WYATT EARP and TOMBSTONE. In this case, Disney
    must have been the copycat, because del Toro was working on his
    version for fourteen years, and filming for three.

    Often the difference is in budget. and that is true here; the
    Disney version was budgeted at $150 million, and the del Toro
    version at $35 million. But the most visible difference is that
    the Disney version is live-action/CGI and the del Toro version is
    stop-motion animation.

    Disney has the marquee name of Tom Hanks. But (at least in this
    film) he can't sing, and shouldn't have tried.

    Disney's PINOCCHIO has the traditional Disney look, and Pinocchio
    could have been lifted straight from the 1940 version.

    Not everything is traditional. The town's population is more
    racially diverse than would be historically accurate, and the Blue
    Fairy is Black. (This ha generated a lot of comment, but in the
    1940 version she was white with blonde hair, and if we have talking
    foxes and puppets that come alive, one can't complain too much
    about not sticking to reality.

    Another change is that Pleasure Island has no smoking or alcohol,
    and ends up looking like Disneyland--and that is supposedly a bad
    thing? (However, there is vandalism and bullying, so it by any
    means totally ideal.

    Released on Disney+ streaming 8 September 2022. Rating: low +2 (-4
    to +4) or 7/10

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4593060/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pinocchio_2022>

    GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO: This is called "GUILLERMO DEL
    TORO'S PINOCCHIO" to distinguish it from the *other* 2022 Pinocchio
    film, PINOCCHIO, which is a live-action Disney film starring Tom
    Hanks, while GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO is a stop-motion
    animated Netflix film. (This makes the third stop-motion animated
    film from Netflix this year, the first two being THE HOUSE
    [reviewed in the 05/13/22 issue of the MT VOID] and WENDELL & WILD
    [reviewed above].) There was also a Roberto Begnini version in
    2002. GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO obviously has a very
    different look from current CGI animation--not as realistic, for
    example--but apparently del Toro is hoping for a stop-motion
    revival. del Toro is also not afraid to change the classic story
    in many ways. For example, it takes place in pre-World-War-II
    Italy, and fascism and war play an important role in the film. The
    animation is stunning, but the story was never really one of our
    core memories from childhood, so we had more difficulty connecting
    to it than many others will.

    Released on Netflix streaming 9 December 2022. Rating: high +1 (-4
    to +4), or 6/10.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1488589/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/guillermo_del_toros_pinocchio>

    BRIAN AND CHARLES: BRIAN AND CHARLES is expanded from a 2017
    12-minute film, and serves as evidence that some shorts do not
    expand well. The plot has almost nothing to do with the premise
    (an eccentric character builds a robot), which has become more of a
    MacGuffin. The plot could just as easily have centered around an
    eccentric character and a younger brother. And there are some
    inconsistencies that were introduced in the expansion. For
    example, why is all the introductory material being filmed as a
    documentary. Are we to believe it is all a documentary, or is that
    aspect dropped early on? It seemed a promising idea, but was very disappointing.

    Released theatrically 17 June 2022. Rating: 0 (-4 to +4) or 4/10

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13270424/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brian_and_charles>

    [-mrl/ecl]

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    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    PAST IMPERFECT by Peter Charles Hoffer (PublicAffairs, ISBN
    978-1-588648-445-3) looks at four recent scandals involving
    respected historians (Stephen Ambrose, Michael Bellesiles, Joseph
    Ellis, and Doris Kearns Goodwin). Hoffer goes back to historians
    at the very start of the United States and presents evidence to
    support his claim that the failings of these four are not a new
    phenomenon, but defects found in historians for the last two
    hundred and fifty years.

    I would have more confidence in Hoffer if the following sentence
    did not appear on page 26: "Such borrowing as Parkman (and
    Bancroft) assayed from other authors was something that men of
    letters did all the time, without qualms--if not without
    controversy, as Edgar Allen Poe, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Samuel
    L. Clements (Mark Twain), and other authors discovered."

    Yes, he manages to misspell the names two of the three famous
    authors that he lists (and arguably uses a dash where a comma would
    have been a better choice). And later he refers to the book by
    Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh as THE HOLY BLOOD AND THE HOLY
    GRAIL, when the accurate title is HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL`
    Strangely, he uses the correct title on the next page, and then
    just HOLY BLOOD ten pages later, before reverting to THE HOLY BLOOD
    AND THE HOLY GRAIL in the index. For someone complaining about
    sloppiness (as indicating possible deception), Hoffer is hardly in
    an unassailable position.

    It may seem like a minor thing, but it is many ways indicative of
    the flaws he finds in historians, who are disrespectful of primary
    sources and have misused them to support their thesis, which is
    called consensus history. Falsification, plagiarism, and
    fabrication--the crimes of the four historians--have been with us
    since the beginning of American history, Hoffer claims, and run as
    a thread through not just consensus history, but its successors.

    The actual cases Hoffer discusses are of different kinds of
    deception. Hoffer points out that Michael Bellesiles, the author
    of ARMING AMERICA, has incomplete data in the first edition (e.g.,
    there are only vague indications of sample sizes), and data in
    subsequent editions inconsistent with those in the first (e.g.,
    the sample sizes are smaller, and there are fewer samples).
    Basically, Hoffer claims that gun ownership was somewhere around
    15% in colonial America, but all subsequent researches of the
    documents Hoffer claims to have used indicate a much higher
    percentage.

    Stephen Ambrose and Doris Kearns Goodwin are both accused of
    plagiarism, and have admitted to re-using or paraphrasing secondary
    sources, and particularly in such a way that when those secondary
    sources were citing primary sources, it appeared that Ambrose or
    Goodwin had found the primary source themselves.

    Joseph Ellis was a different sort of deception. He didn't
    plagiarize other historians, or fake data in his books. No, he did
    a George Santos: he made up an entire back story. He was more
    careful than Santos, though--he did not lie on his resume to Mount
    Holyoke College. What he did was lie to his students in his
    lectures, claiming all sorts of Vietnam War and civil rights
    experiences that he never had.

    Hoffer also discusses another sort of feception common among
    historians (and others, one suspects): using the research of
    graduate students and other assistants. This in itself is not bad,
    assuming that either the assistants are doing purely clerical or
    basic editing work, but if these assistants are doing substantive
    research and writing that appears in the finished work, Hoffer says
    they should be given co-author credit, not just a mention in the acknowledgments section.

    And connected to this is what responsibility the novelist or
    filmmaker has to the historians who have either provided the works
    they have relied on, or the historical advisors who have worked
    with them throughout the production of the film. As Hoffer notes,
    if the caterer gets a credit at the end of the film, why not the
    historical advisors?

    With so much discussion these days of how to teach history, and
    especially what to teach and what to ignore, this 2004 book is
    amazingly (and depressingly) topical.

    [Disclaimer: Count me among the "woke" in this debate. I know that
    to some "woke" is a pejorative, but I see it as the opposite of
    "asleep" or "comatose". "Social justice warrior" has also taken on
    a pejorative aspect, and it's time to reclaim that as well. Since
    when is fighting for social justice a bad thing?)

    [PAST IMPERFECT by Peter Charles Hoffer should not be confused with
    PAST IMPERFECT by Mark C. Carnes, a book about historical films, or
    with PAST IMPERFECT edited by Martin H. Greenberg and Larry
    Segriff, an anthology of time travel stories.]

    [-ecl]

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    Mark Leeper
    mleeper@optonline.net


    When you re-read a classic, you do not see more
    in the book that you did before; you see more in you
    than was there before.
    --Cliff Fadiman

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to evelynchim...@gmail.com on Tue Apr 11 06:37:14 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:02:27 AM UTC-4, evelynchim...@gmail.com wrote:
    THE MT VOID
    04/07/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 41, Whole Number 2270

    Yes, he manages to misspell the names two of the three famous
    authors that he lists (and arguably uses a dash where a comma would
    have been a better choice). And later he refers to the book by
    Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh as THE HOLY BLOOD AND THE HOLY
    GRAIL, when the accurate title is HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL`
    Strangely, he uses the correct title on the next page, and then
    just HOLY BLOOD ten pages later, before reverting to THE HOLY BLOOD
    AND THE HOLY GRAIL in the index. For someone complaining about
    sloppiness (as indicating possible deception), Hoffer is hardly in
    an unassailable position.

    If you look on Amazon, you'll find editions with both titles.

    This jumped out at me, since while I can't put my hand on it,
    I'm pretty sure my 30+ year old copy is 'tHBatHG'.

    Regardless, its a remarkable piece of fraud, spinning a 1950's
    French hoax into a fake "historical" account, later ripped off by
    Dan Brown.

    pt

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Tue Apr 11 10:13:33 2023
    On 4/11/23 9:37 AM, Peter Trei wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:02:27 AM UTC-4, evelynchim...@gmail.com wrote:
    THE MT VOID
    04/07/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 41, Whole Number 2270

    Yes, he manages to misspell the names two of the three famous
    authors that he lists (and arguably uses a dash where a comma would
    have been a better choice). And later he refers to the book by
    Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh as THE HOLY BLOOD AND THE HOLY
    GRAIL, when the accurate title is HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL`
    Strangely, he uses the correct title on the next page, and then
    just HOLY BLOOD ten pages later, before reverting to THE HOLY BLOOD
    AND THE HOLY GRAIL in the index. For someone complaining about
    sloppiness (as indicating possible deception), Hoffer is hardly in
    an unassailable position.

    If you look on Amazon, you'll find editions with both titles.

    This jumped out at me, since while I can't put my hand on it,
    I'm pretty sure my 30+ year old copy is 'tHBatHG'.

    Regardless, its a remarkable piece of fraud, spinning a 1950's
    French hoax into a fake "historical" account, later ripped off by
    Dan Brown.

    If you claim that something is a fact, you can't properly accuse others
    of "ripping it off." Someone else could plagiarize the text, but it
    isn't plagiarism to use factual claims in one's own work, even if
    they're lies.

    There are works of fiction which claim "Everything here is true!" as a
    literary device which no one is expected to believe (e.g., Lucian of
    Samosata's space-travel story), but I don't think "Holy Blood, Holy
    Grail" falls into that category.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 15:47:00 2023
    In article <u13pud$2laco$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:
    On 4/11/23 9:37 AM, Peter Trei wrote:
    Regardless, its a remarkable piece of fraud, spinning a 1950's
    French hoax into a fake "historical" account, later ripped off by
    Dan Brown.

    If you claim that something is a fact, you can't properly accuse
    others of "ripping it off." Someone else could plagiarize the text,
    but it isn't plagiarism to use factual claims in one's own work,
    even if they're lies.

    Two of the authors of HBHG sued Dan Brown's publisher for copyright infringement, and lost on basically those grounds.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Brown#Copyright_infringement_cases>

    --
    John Dallman
    "This isn't a supernova problem. It's a pointy-haired boss problem."

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Apr 11 08:16:32 2023
    On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 10:13:35 AM UTC-4, Gary McGath wrote:
    On 4/11/23 9:37 AM, Peter Trei wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:02:27 AM UTC-4, evelynchim...@gmail.com wrote:
    THE MT VOID
    04/07/23 -- Vol. 41, No. 41, Whole Number 2270

    Yes, he manages to misspell the names two of the three famous
    authors that he lists (and arguably uses a dash where a comma would
    have been a better choice). And later he refers to the book by
    Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh as THE HOLY BLOOD AND THE HOLY
    GRAIL, when the accurate title is HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL`
    Strangely, he uses the correct title on the next page, and then
    just HOLY BLOOD ten pages later, before reverting to THE HOLY BLOOD
    AND THE HOLY GRAIL in the index. For someone complaining about
    sloppiness (as indicating possible deception), Hoffer is hardly in
    an unassailable position.

    If you look on Amazon, you'll find editions with both titles.

    This jumped out at me, since while I can't put my hand on it,
    I'm pretty sure my 30+ year old copy is 'tHBatHG'.

    Regardless, its a remarkable piece of fraud, spinning a 1950's
    French hoax into a fake "historical" account, later ripped off by
    Dan Brown.
    If you claim that something is a fact, you can't properly accuse others
    of "ripping it off." Someone else could plagiarize the text, but it
    isn't plagiarism to use factual claims in one's own work, even if
    they're lies.

    There are works of fiction which claim "Everything here is true!" as a literary device which no one is expected to believe (e.g., Lucian of Samosata's space-travel story), but I don't think "Holy Blood, Holy
    Grail" falls into that category.

    For those unfamiliar:

    Dan Brown was sued for plagiarism by Baigent and Leigh, on the
    grounds that much of the underlying story of 'The DaVinci Code'
    was taken from HBHG.

    The 'story' involves Christ knocking up Mary Magdelene before
    the Crucifixion, and her moving to the south of France, leading to
    a 'Jesus Bloodline' with descendants down to present day.
    B&L merged this with the 'Priory of Sion' hoax for their book.
    The 'Jesus bloodline' idea has history, but the Priory of Sion only
    dates to the 1950s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_bloodline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion

    The rip-off is very obvious if you read both books, TdVC even has
    a character named Teabing, an anagram of Baigent, and HBHG is
    mentioned in the text.

    However, the court found in favor of Brown, largely because HBHG was
    published as non-fiction, and recounting "historical facts" isn't
    plagiarism, even if they are lies.

    Since I was familiar with the sources at the time I first read TdVC, my experience of the book was not the usual one. It was a bit like riding
    'The Haunted Mansion' ride with every house maintenance light turned
    on - revelations did not surprise, and the plot holes and poor writing
    were obvious.

    pt

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