_Secrets of Female Characterization._ 'At Bristol University, she
had already achieved a reputation as a sex scientist. In her first year
she had gone through the men like an enema.' 'Her curved breasts were
tense with concentration.' 'She moved towards the village, allowing her
hips to continue the conversation.' 'She stopped, pursing her nipples
towards him and then swung on.' 'The left breast was fractionally
larger than its sister. It was Anna's favourite. She flexed it towards
the wall.' (All from David Pinner, _Ritual_, 1967 -- inspiration for
_The Wicker Man_) (_Ibid_)
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AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was a >Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd >barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand >reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr >profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]
In message <f49vigtsojmoufa1vretj5dpao4sk15uio@4ax.com>, David Langford ><ansible@cix.co.uk> writes
<snip>
_Secrets of Female Characterization._ 'At Bristol University, she
had already achieved a reputation as a sex scientist. In her first year
she had gone through the men like an enema.' 'Her curved breasts were
tense with concentration.' 'She moved towards the village, allowing her >>hips to continue the conversation.' 'She stopped, pursing her nipples >>towards him and then swung on.' 'The left breast was fractionally
larger than its sister. It was Anna's favourite. She flexed it towards
the wall.' (All from David Pinner, _Ritual_, 1967 -- inspiration for
_The Wicker Man_) (_Ibid_)
Based on those quotations, one is thankful that the film was evidently
far better than the book.
First Panel. Opus types:
George Phblat's new film, "Benji Saves the Universe," has
brought the word "bad" to new levels of badness.
Second Panel. Opus types:
Bad acting. Bad effects. Bad everything. This film
just oozed rottenness from every bad scene... Simply bad
beyond all infinite dimensions of possible badness.
Third Panel. Opus just sits there, thinking penguin thoughts.
Fourth Panel. Opus types:
Well, maybe not that bad, but lord, it wasn't good.
In article <f49vigtsojmoufa1vretj5dpao4sk15uio@4ax.com>,
David Langford <ansible@cix.co.uk> wrote:
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AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was a >>Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd >>barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand >>reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr >>profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]
Does he mean that he was reading *only* SF written in 1979? Or
can we make that assumption? Because Robin Wednesbury, the
projective telepath in Bester's _The Stars My Destination_ (1956)
is Black. (Described as "Negro," but that was the polite word
back then.)
In article <oleA8TC3v7LhFwxF@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <jo...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
In message <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>, David Langford ><ans...@cix.co.uk> writesHoly Cat. If anyone were previously unaware, a human breast is a
<snip>
_Secrets of Female Characterization._ 'At Bristol University, she
had already achieved a reputation as a sex scientist. In her first year >>she had gone through the men like an enema.' 'Her curved breasts were >>tense with concentration.' 'She moved towards the village, allowing her >>hips to continue the conversation.' 'She stopped, pursing her nipples >>towards him and then swung on.' 'The left breast was fractionally
larger than its sister. It was Anna's favourite. She flexed it towards >>the wall.' (All from David Pinner, _Ritual_, 1967 -- inspiration for
_The Wicker Man_) (_Ibid_)
sack of meat, loosely held in a sling of skin, with no
musculature except, I should think, some very small muscles that
hold in, and let down, the milk during lactation. They can't go
tense, the nipples can't be voluntarily "pursed," and they can't
be flexed in any direction.
Based on those quotations, one is thankful that the film was evidentlyAnd the film was _The Wicker Man_? Yeesh.
far better than the book.
In article <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>,
David Langford <ans...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
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AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was a >Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd >barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand >reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr >profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]Does he mean that he was reading *only* SF written in 1979? Or
can we make that assumption? Because Robin Wednesbury, the
projective telepath in Bester's _The Stars My Destination_ (1956)
is Black. (Described as "Negro," but that was the polite word
back then.)
--
We'd need to know when he discovered writers like Butler and Delany. >"Kindred" is from 1979, "Dhalgren" from 1975. The man has written
a foreword to at least one Delany, and an afterword to another. Did he >discover Delany after `79? Delany wrote an introduction to one of his
books. Depending on where one grew up, the vagaries of book and
magazine distribution and retailing, and the acquisition policies of
local libraries one had access to, one could miss out on stories and
books with black or other non-white characters. But "Tunnel In The Sky"
or "Farnham's Freehold?" Ged of Earhsea isn't "white."
And the film was _The Wicker Man_? Yeesh.
What version did you see?
The 2006 Nicholas Cage remake is, by all accounts, garbage.
The original 1973 version, not so. But again, what version?
The original cut was about 100 minutes long. The version seen in US theatres >was hacked down to 87 minutes, and is much less coherent - a whole day
on the island is removed.
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 1:55:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>,
David Langford <ans...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
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AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was aDoes he mean that he was reading *only* SF written in 1979? Or
Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd >barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand >reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr >profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]
can we make that assumption? Because Robin Wednesbury, the
projective telepath in Bester's _The Stars My Destination_ (1956)
is Black. (Described as "Negro," but that was the polite word
back then.)
--We'd need to know when he discovered writers like Butler and Delany. "Kindred" is from 1979, "Dhalgren" from 1975. The man has written
a foreword to at least one Delany, and an afterword to another. Did he discover Delany after `79? Delany wrote an introduction to one of his
books. Depending on where one grew up, the vagaries of book and
magazine distribution and retailing, and the acquisition policies of
local libraries one had access to, one could miss out on stories and
books with black or other non-white characters. But "Tunnel In The Sky"
or "Farnham's Freehold?" Ged of Earhsea isn't "white."
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:15:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <oleA8TC3v7LhFwxF@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <jo...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
In message <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>, David LangfordHoly Cat. If anyone were previously unaware, a human breast is a
<ans...@cix.co.uk> writes
<snip>
_Secrets of Female Characterization._ 'At Bristol University, she
had already achieved a reputation as a sex scientist. In her first year
she had gone through the men like an enema.' 'Her curved breasts were
tense with concentration.' 'She moved towards the village, allowing her
hips to continue the conversation.' 'She stopped, pursing her nipples
towards him and then swung on.' 'The left breast was fractionally
larger than its sister. It was Anna's favourite. She flexed it towards
the wall.' (All from David Pinner, _Ritual_, 1967 -- inspiration for
_The Wicker Man_) (_Ibid_)
sack of meat, loosely held in a sling of skin, with no
musculature except, I should think, some very small muscles that
hold in, and let down, the milk during lactation. They can't go
tense, the nipples can't be voluntarily "pursed," and they can't
be flexed in any direction.
Based on those quotations, one is thankful that the film was evidentlyAnd the film was _The Wicker Man_? Yeesh.
far better than the book.
What version did you see?
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 1:55:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>,
David Langford <ans...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
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### INFINITELY IMPROBABLE ###
AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was aDoes he mean that he was reading *only* SF written in 1979? Or
Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd
barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand
reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr
profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]
can we make that assumption? Because Robin Wednesbury, the
projective telepath in Bester's _The Stars My Destination_ (1956)
is Black. (Described as "Negro," but that was the polite word
back then.)
I confess that about 20 years passed between my first encountering--We'd need to know when he discovered writers like Butler and Delany. "Kindred" is from 1979, "Dhalgren" from 1975. The man has written
a foreword to at least one Delany, and an afterword to another. Did he discover Delany after `79? Delany wrote an introduction to one of his books. Depending on where one grew up, the vagaries of book and
magazine distribution and retailing, and the acquisition policies of
local libraries one had access to, one could miss out on stories and
books with black or other non-white characters. But "Tunnel In The Sky"
or "Farnham's Freehold?" Ged of Earhsea isn't "white."
Delaney's work, and my realizing that he wasn't white. I think it was when
I met him at a Readercon.
Farnham's Freehold has some non-white characters but they are not shown in
a very good light.
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:41:31 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-4, Kevrob wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 1:55:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <f49vigtsojmoufa1v...@4ax.com>,
David Langford <ans...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
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...
### INFINITELY IMPROBABLE ###
AS OTHERS READ US. 'I don't think I'd ever read a book in which there was aDoes he mean that he was reading *only* SF written in 1979? Or
Black character, period. Remember, I'm reading sci-fi _[in 1979]_, so I'd
barely read anything in which there were human beings. I didn't understand
reading as having a relationship to the actual world.' (Robert Reid-Pharr
profile, www.radcliffe.harvard.edu, 25 May) [CH]
can we make that assumption? Because Robin Wednesbury, the
projective telepath in Bester's _The Stars My Destination_ (1956)
is Black. (Described as "Negro," but that was the polite word
back then.)
I confess that about 20 years passed between my first encountering Delaney's work, and my realizing that he wasn't white. I think it was when I met him at a Readercon.--We'd need to know when he discovered writers like Butler and Delany. "Kindred" is from 1979, "Dhalgren" from 1975. The man has written
a foreword to at least one Delany, and an afterword to another. Did he discover Delany after `79? Delany wrote an introduction to one of his books. Depending on where one grew up, the vagaries of book and
magazine distribution and retailing, and the acquisition policies of local libraries one had access to, one could miss out on stories and books with black or other non-white characters. But "Tunnel In The Sky" or "Farnham's Freehold?" Ged of Earhsea isn't "white."
I don't remember when I first learned "Chip" was black, but it can't
have been later than 1977, when he had an academic position at
/D/o/w/n/e/r/ /C/o/l/l/e/g/e/ the University of WI-Milwaukee.
I was downtown at Marquette, but was close to fans enrolled at UWM.
They had the award-winning novelist. We had the Tolkien MSs, and
still do.
Found this essay by SRD on being "the first" black sf writer, with
a Readercon anecdote.
https://www.nyrsf.com/racism-and-science-fiction-.html
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Farnham's Freehold has some non-white characters but they are not
shown in a very good light.
It's been ages since I read it, but wasn't the point to show that a
society where whites are on top could easily be flipped on its head,
that there's no racial hierarchy decreed by nature?
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