• A Worldcon in Egypt?

    From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 17:08:30 2023
    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid for Saudi
    Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for Cairo (PharaohCon) in 2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as China in its
    human rights violations, but the country has some major issues. I've
    written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Mon Feb 13 15:35:58 2023
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote in
    news:tseccv$28m55$1@dont-email.me:

    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid for
    Saudi Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for Cairo
    (PharaohCon) in 2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as
    China in its human rights violations, but the country has some
    major issues. I've written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/

    Egypt is at least familiar with the concept that if you're not nice
    to tourists, you don't get any more of their money.

    --
    Terry Austin

    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 08:42:47 2023
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:35:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
    wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote in
    news:tseccv$28m55$1@dont-email.me:

    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid for Saudi
    Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for Cairo (PharaohCon) in
    2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as China in
    its human rights violations, but the country has some major issues.
    I've written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/

    Egypt is at least familiar with the concept that if you're not nice to tourists, you don't get any more of their money.

    My nephew and his wife toured Luxor last fall. My sister showed
    me the videos he took. He's a cinematographer, so I asked her if
    he had arranged to have the site cleared of crowds so he could
    show his wife alone posing at the temples and on the grand
    staircase of the hotel they stayed at. No, she said, there really
    was nobody else there.

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Tue Feb 14 09:40:39 2023
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote in news:bQHGL.1199559$GNG9.38821@fx18.iad:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:35:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
    Kujisalimisha wrote:

    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote in
    news:tseccv$28m55$1@dont-email.me:

    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid
    for Saudi Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for
    Cairo (PharaohCon) in 2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as
    China in its human rights violations, but the country has some
    major issues. I've written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/

    Egypt is at least familiar with the concept that if you're not
    nice to tourists, you don't get any more of their money.

    My nephew and his wife toured Luxor last fall. My sister showed
    me the videos he took. He's a cinematographer, so I asked her if
    he had arranged to have the site cleared of crowds so he could
    show his wife alone posing at the temples and on the grand
    staircase of the hotel they stayed at. No, she said, there
    really was nobody else there.

    Tourism has a ways to go to recover from the pandemic. Africa seems
    especially hard hit, between that and various unstable political
    situations.

    --
    Terry Austin

    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha on Tue Feb 14 12:39:10 2023
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:40:42 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
    Charles Packer <mai...@cpacker.org> wrote in news:bQHGL.1199559$GNG9....@fx18.iad:
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:35:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
    Kujisalimisha wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@mcgath.com> wrote in
    news:tseccv$28m55$1...@dont-email.me:

    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid
    for Saudi Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for
    Cairo (PharaohCon) in 2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as
    China in its human rights violations, but the country has some
    major issues. I've written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/

    Egypt is at least familiar with the concept that if you're not
    nice to tourists, you don't get any more of their money.

    My nephew and his wife toured Luxor last fall. My sister showed
    me the videos he took. He's a cinematographer, so I asked her if
    he had arranged to have the site cleared of crowds so he could
    show his wife alone posing at the temples and on the grand
    staircase of the hotel they stayed at. No, she said, there
    really was nobody else there.

    Tourism has a ways to go to recover from the pandemic. Africa seems especially hard hit, between that and various unstable political
    situations.

    The Luxor Massacre is still a problem - 67 people killed, mostly
    tourists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

    The current regime is authoritarian to say the least.

    The State Department says 'Reconsider travel'

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/egypt-travel-advisory.html

    pt

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Tue Feb 14 14:26:48 2023
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in news:56410742-9ebc-4f09-8d94-a2a5dbcb2513n@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:40:42 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
    Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
    Charles Packer <mai...@cpacker.org> wrote in
    news:bQHGL.1199559$GNG9....@fx18.iad:
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:35:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
    Kujisalimisha wrote:

    Gary McGath <ga...@mcgath.com> wrote in
    news:tseccv$28m55$1...@dont-email.me:

    Chengdu is coasting toward being a failed Worldcon. The bid
    for Saudi Arabia has been withdrawn. But there's a bid for
    Cairo (PharaohCon) in 2026.

    Egypt isn't as barbaric as Saudi Arabia or as systematic as
    China in its human rights violations, but the country has
    some major issues. I've written a bit about it on my blog.

    https://garymcgath.com/wp/worldcon-in-egypt/

    Egypt is at least familiar with the concept that if you're
    not nice to tourists, you don't get any more of their money.

    My nephew and his wife toured Luxor last fall. My sister
    showed me the videos he took. He's a cinematographer, so I
    asked her if he had arranged to have the site cleared of
    crowds so he could show his wife alone posing at the temples
    and on the grand staircase of the hotel they stayed at. No,
    she said, there really was nobody else there.

    Tourism has a ways to go to recover from the pandemic. Africa
    seems especially hard hit, between that and various unstable
    political situations.

    The Luxor Massacre is still a problem - 67 people killed, mostly
    tourists.

    26 years ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre

    "The massacre marked a decisive drop in Islamist terrorists'
    fortunes in Egypt by turning public opinion overwhelmingly against
    them. Terrorist attacks declined dramatically following the
    backlash from the massacre."

    For a while, Egypt's response to terrorist attacks was to surround
    the building they were in and shoot it with machineguns until the
    adobe caught fire.

    The current regime is authoritarian to say the least.

    The current regime didn't exist in 1997.

    The State Department says 'Reconsider travel'

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/trave ladvisories/egypt-travel-advisory.html

    Which they say about a lot of countries these days.

    All of which is to say that that incident is one of the ones that
    thoroughly familiarzed Egypt with the concept mentioned above: If
    you're not nice to tourists, you don't get their money. They don't
    always *follow* that principle, but they *are* familiar with it.
    Which is a step up on Saudi Arabia.

    --
    Terry Austin

    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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