As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
Some of my thoughts on the Chengdu Worldcon, particularly as affecting memberships and attendance:
In article <1dd76b4f-789c-42aa-ba2e-2273c2b06872n@googlegroups.com>, >evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
I hope not, but that decision may well not be in the hands of Chinese
fans. Given the conduct of the convention so far, I suspect there will be
a substantial anti-Chinese vote for any future bids.
On 1/29/23 9:41 AM, eleeper@optonline.net wrote:
Some of my thoughts on the Chengdu Worldcon, particularly as affecting memberships and attendance:
Good points, to which I'd add that getting a visa for visiting China is
much harder than traveling to most of the Americas and Europe.
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 1/29/23 9:41 AM, eleeper@optonline.net wrote:
Some of my thoughts on the Chengdu Worldcon, particularly as affecting memberships and attendance:
Good points, to which I'd add that getting a visa for visiting China is
much harder than traveling to most of the Americas and Europe.
It depends. If you apply for a tourist visa and you're not famous and you don't have any friends with pull, they will take your passport for a couple weeks and make sure you haven't said too many bad things about China online and that you're probably an okay person. They'll also categorize you to decide how much you need to be watched in the country, and this takes some time.
In article <memo.20230129155316.24676F@jgd.cix.co.uk>,
John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1dd76b4f-789c-42aa-ba2e-2273c2b06872n@googlegroups.com>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
I hope not, but that decision may well not be in the hands of Chinese
fans. Given the conduct of the convention so far, I suspect there will be
a substantial anti-Chinese vote for any future bids.
Site selection (and other) voting is by membership of the convention,
right? If the CCP wants to own WorldCon, at this point, they probably can.
On 1/30/23 4:20 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
In article <memo.20230129155316.24676F@jgd.cix.co.uk>,
John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1dd76b4f-789c-42aa-ba2e-2273c2b06872n@googlegroups.com>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
I hope not, but that decision may well not be in the hands of Chinese
fans. Given the conduct of the convention so far, I suspect there will be >>> a substantial anti-Chinese vote for any future bids.
Site selection (and other) voting is by membership of the convention,
right? If the CCP wants to own WorldCon, at this point, they probably can. >>
First there has to be a bid. The Worldcon site doesn't currently show
any bids for future China conventions.
https://www.worldcon.org/worldcon-bids/
On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:47:56 -0500, Gary McGath<garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 1/30/23 4:20 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
In article<memo.20230129155316.24676F@jgd.cix.co.uk>,
John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article<1dd76b4f-789c-42aa-ba2e-2273c2b06872n@googlegroups.com>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
I hope not, but that decision may well not be in the hands of Chinese fans. Given the conduct of the convention so far, I suspect there will be
a substantial anti-Chinese vote for any future bids.
Site selection (and other) voting is by membership of the convention, right? If the CCP wants to own WorldCon, at this point, they probably can.
First there has to be a bid. The Worldcon site doesn't currently show
any bids for future China conventions.
https://www.worldcon.org/worldcon-bids/
Don't forget, there is already another seated Worldcon after Chengdu...
Although that is in an evil non-US country with a government to the left of Joe B!
Alan Woodford
The Greying Lensman
On Jan 31, 2023, Alan Woodford wrote
(in article<c5ohthhh99inudgv99vqe09j84lse9jor8@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:47:56 -0500, Gary McGath<garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 1/30/23 4:20 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
In article<memo.20230129155316.24676F@jgd.cix.co.uk>,
John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article<1dd76b4f-789c-42aa-ba2e-2273c2b06872n@googlegroups.com>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com () wrote:
As for Site Selection, I suspect China will not bid for 2025.
I hope not, but that decision may well not be in the hands of Chinese >> > > > fans. Given the conduct of the convention so far, I suspect there will be
a substantial anti-Chinese vote for any future bids.
Site selection (and other) voting is by membership of the convention,
right? If the CCP wants to own WorldCon, at this point, they probably can.
First there has to be a bid. The Worldcon site doesn't currently show
any bids for future China conventions.
https://www.worldcon.org/worldcon-bids/
Don't forget, there is already another seated Worldcon after Chengdu...
Although that is in an evil non-US country with a government to the left of >> Joe B!
That doesn’t cut down the list very much. Joe B ain’t particularly far
left. Indeed, he strikes me as being close to the late Baroness Margaret >Hilda.
Although that is in an evil non-US country with a government to the left of >> Joe B!
That doesn’t cut down the list very much. Joe B ain’t particularly far
left. Indeed, he strikes me as being close to the late Baroness Margaret >Hilda.
Some of my thoughts on the Chengdu Worldcon, particularly as affecting memberships and attendance:
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5) They also claim one room in the new venue is named the "Hugo
Awards Hall", ignoring that "Hugo Awards" is trademarked.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Don't forget, there is already another seated Worldcon after Chengdu...
Although that is in an evil non-US country with a government to the left of >Joe B!
I have been talking to some Chinese fans recently who are feeling as if they are losing control of the convention, with the publicity being contracted out to a large corporation that isn't fan-run and of course the real estate and construction interests involved with building this new museum. The municipal government is very much supporting the convention but there is such a thing as
too much support too.
On 3/17/23 10:06 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
I have been talking to some Chinese fans recently who are feeling as if they >> are losing control of the convention, with the publicity being contracted out
to a large corporation that isn't fan-run and of course the real estate and >> construction interests involved with building this new museum. The municipal
government is very much supporting the convention but there is such a thing as
too much support too.
It's already clear that the Chengdu convention is a failed Worldcon.
Veterans of Nolacon 2 will be able to point at it and say, "Hey, our con >wasn't _this_ bad!"
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