• Re: JWST images

    From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Jul 13 18:55:07 2022
    On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Five full-color images from the James Webb Space Telescope were
    revealed yesterday. (The colors are translated from different
    bands of infrared.)

    Does anyone know of a website where these images fill one's screen?
    My screen isn't large, and my eyesight isn't great. If I wanted to
    squint at blurry images the size of postage stamps, I would have
    become a philatelist.

    Keith won't see this unless someone quotes it (he killfiled me), but try
    the source:

    https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    Pt

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 01:22:25 2022
    Five full-color images from the James Webb Space Telescope were
    revealed yesterday. (The colors are translated from different
    bands of infrared.)

    Does anyone know of a website where these images fill one's screen?
    My screen isn't large, and my eyesight isn't great. If I wanted to
    squint at blurry images the size of postage stamps, I would have
    become a philatelist.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Sat Jul 16 19:28:59 2022
    On 7/13/2022 8:55 PM, Peter Trei wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Five full-color images from the James Webb Space Telescope were
    revealed yesterday. (The colors are translated from different
    bands of infrared.)

    Does anyone know of a website where these images fill one's screen?
    My screen isn't large, and my eyesight isn't great. If I wanted to
    squint at blurry images the size of postage stamps, I would have
    become a philatelist.

    Keith won't see this unless someone quotes it (he killfiled me), but try
    the source:

    https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    Pt

    Bumped

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Jay E. Morris on Sat Jul 23 19:24:36 2022
    Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:
    Peter Trei wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Does anyone know of a website where these images fill one's
    screen? My screen isn't large, and my eyesight isn't great.
    If I wanted to squint at blurry images the size of postage
    stamps, I would have become a philatelist.

    Keith won't see this unless someone quotes it (he killfiled me),
    but try the source:

    https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    Bumped

    Thanks.

    I've always been open to email from Peter, and would be glad to remove
    him from my Usenet killfile if he sends me an email apologizing for his
    years of abusive behavior and promising not to do it again.

    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest
    hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey
    at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon,
    and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Jul 24 05:57:50 2022
    On 7/23/22 3:24 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest
    hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey
    at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon,
    and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not surprising.

    SFWA fanatically polices every little use of words, yet when it changed
    its name to Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association, it didn't
    add a second "F" to its abbreviated name. Surely so horribly
    marginalizing fantasy writers by not giving them their own letter is
    worthy of marching the SFWA board out of a convention and expelling them forever.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Peter Trei@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Mon Jul 25 07:04:25 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I've always been open to email from Peter, and would be glad to remove
    him from my Usenet killfile if he sends me an email apologizing for his
    years of abusive behavior and promising not to do it again.

    Not going to happen. Keith deliberately misquoted me, changing the
    meaning to make me look like an idiot. I called him on it, telling him not to lie.
    That was a berserk button for Keith, and after a series of warnings insisting that I unconditionally surrender to his righteousness or he'd killfile me, he did so.

    I haven't suffered. This far on, I'd be happy to simply drop the issue, and let bygones be bygones, but he wants me to publicly beg for his forgiveness.

    This is one of those ancient frozen fannish feuds that means nothing to anyone except the people involved. Resolving it matters very little.

    Keith remains the biggest fish in the very small rasff pond. He's welcome to it.

    pt

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  • From Alan Woodford@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 25 16:09:02 2022
    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:26:05 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Being in his killfile is a badge of honor. It makes me take you
    *more* seriously.


    I hope that doesn't mean you take -me- too seriously! :-)

    Literally every bad thing that as ever happened to Keith is the
    result of his own bad decisions, including his not being take
    seriously here.

    Yep.

    He does post some interesting stuff, but there is so much "Woe is me, government/businesses/other people are so mean to me", that I do sometimes wonder if it is worth the effort of wading through...

    Alan Woodford
    The Greying Lensman

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Peter Trei on Mon Jul 25 14:26:05 2022
    Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in news:6223bc44-57fc-47df-9b3d-6616bdad2ab3n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch
    wrote:

    I've always been open to email from Peter, and would be glad to
    remove him from my Usenet killfile if he sends me an email
    apologizing for his years of abusive behavior and promising not
    to do it again.

    Not going to happen. Keith deliberately misquoted me, changing
    the meaning to make me look like an idiot. I called him on it,
    telling him not to lie. That was a berserk button for Keith, and
    after a series of warnings insisting that I unconditionally
    surrender to his righteousness or he'd killfile me, he did so.

    I haven't suffered. This far on, I'd be happy to simply drop the
    issue, and let bygones be bygones, but he wants me to publicly
    beg for his forgiveness.

    This is one of those ancient frozen fannish feuds that means
    nothing to anyone except the people involved. Resolving it
    matters very little.

    Keith remains the biggest fish in the very small rasff pond.
    He's welcome to it.

    Being in his killfile is a badge of honor. It makes me take you
    *more* seriously.

    Literally every bad thing that as ever happened to Keith is the
    result of his own bad decisions, including his not being take
    seriously here.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Alan Woodford on Mon Jul 25 09:23:23 2022
    Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote in news:t5ctdh5abtj5f5t1mukbrcn1btms5m0h0k@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:26:05 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
    <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

    Being in his killfile is a badge of honor. It makes me take you
    *more* seriously.


    I hope that doesn't mean you take -me- too seriously! :-)

    It's a relative scale. There are many people here who I could take
    more seriously and still dismiss as useless morons.

    Literally every bad thing that as ever happened to Keith is the
    result of his own bad decisions, including his not being take
    seriously here.

    Yep.

    He does post some interesting stuff,

    Not that I've seen.

    but there is so much "Woe
    is me, government/businesses/other people are so mean to me",
    that I do sometimes wonder if it is worth the effort of wading
    through...

    Even on the subjects he supposedly knows all about, he's generally so
    full of himself that nothing of any use ever leaks through.

    --
    Terry Austin

    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jul 26 01:15:15 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest
    hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey
    at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon,
    and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not
    surprising.

    Is there a complete list anywhere? I'm also aware of the 2011 WisCon withdrawing their Elizabath Moon GoH invitation and last year's
    Worldcon withdrawing their Toni Weisskopf GoH invitation.

    SFWA fanatically polices every little use of words, yet when it
    changed its name to Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association,
    it didn't add a second "F" to its abbreviated name. Surely so
    horribly marginalizing fantasy writers by not giving them their own
    letter is worthy of marching the SFWA board out of a convention and
    expelling them forever.

    Or is the "Fiction" F that's been removed? There's no way to tell
    which group has been marginalized.

    Similarly, Wikipedia says, of the 33rd US president, "His middle
    initial, 'S', is not an abbreviation of one particular name, but
    rather honors both his grandfathers, Anderson Shipp Truman and
    Solomon Young, ...."
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Jul 28 11:54:13 2022
    On 7/25/22 9:15 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Similarly, Wikipedia says, of the 33rd US president, "His middle
    initial, 'S', is not an abbreviation of one particular name, but
    rather honors both his grandfathers, Anderson Shipp Truman and
    Solomon Young, ...."

    Hence he should properly be called Harry S Truman, not Harry S. Truman.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Thu Jul 28 20:58:02 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Hence he should properly be called Harry S Truman, not Harry S. Truman.

    The same Wikipedia article says:

    There is disagreement over whether the period after the S should be
    included or omitted, or if both forms are equally valid. Truman's
    own archived correspondence shows that he regularly used the period
    when writing his name.

    I'd always heard that both were okay. But I'd say that his own usage
    is definitive. If he used S. and you use S, then you're deadnaming
    him, which would make you an evil person. On the other hand, he *is*
    dead, so maybe deadnames are okay. :-)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Jul 30 12:12:40 2022
    On 7/25/22 9:15 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest
    hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey
    at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon,
    and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not
    surprising.

    Is there a complete list anywhere? I'm also aware of the 2011 WisCon withdrawing their Elizabath Moon GoH invitation and last year's
    Worldcon withdrawing their Toni Weisskopf GoH invitation.


    Dave Weingart was kicked off his position as head of filk for the
    Finnish Worldcon for posting a comment to the same forum as someone he
    had been told not to communicate with (not a response to that person).


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Sat Jul 30 17:34:59 2022
    In article <tc3l9o$3thkv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 7/25/22 9:15 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest
    hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey
    at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon, >>>> and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not
    surprising.

    Is there a complete list anywhere? I'm also aware of the 2011 WisCon
    withdrawing their Elizabath Moon GoH invitation and last year's
    Worldcon withdrawing their Toni Weisskopf GoH invitation.


    Dave Weingart was kicked off his position as head of filk for the
    Finnish Worldcon for posting a comment to the same forum as someone he
    had been told not to communicate with (not a response to that person).

    (Hal Heydt)
    Not in the same league (as either venue or prominence of names),
    but DunDraCon (I run ConReg) has two people marked as not to be
    sold memberships due to bad behavior.

    If it hasn't been done already, cons might consider copying what
    I've done in the software. Those banned from the con are listed
    in a database table that is checked when a new membership is
    entered. If there is a hit, the entry terminal is locked until
    someone higher up the food chain can check to be sure it isn't a
    false positive. Said higher up can then either say, "No. You've
    been banned from the con." or "Apologies for the false positive."
    and unlock the terminal.

    The code was originally written in order to collect on bounced
    checks, if that wasn't taken care of before the con, but it works
    for this other purpose quite nicely.

    One of the two is *very* unlikely to show up. We understand he
    is a "guest" of Los Angeles County.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Hal Heydt on Sat Jul 30 18:16:42 2022
    Hal Heydt wrote:
    Not in the same league (as either venue or prominence of names), but DunDraCon (I run ConReg) has two people marked as not to be sold
    memberships due to bad behavior.

    My understanding is that this thread is about people who were banned,
    expelled, or revoked unjustly, or for an utterly trivial offense.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sat Jul 30 19:48:38 2022
    "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in news:tc3sia$jjr$1@reader2.panix.com:

    Hal Heydt wrote:
    Not in the same league (as either venue or prominence of
    names), but DunDraCon (I run ConReg) has two people marked as
    not to be sold memberships due to bad behavior.

    My understanding is that this thread is about people who were
    banned, expelled, or revoked unjustly, or for an utterly trivial

    or imaginary

    offense.



    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sat Jul 30 20:24:41 2022
    On 7/30/22 1:34 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tc3l9o$3thkv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 7/25/22 9:15 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest >>>>> hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey >>>>> at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon, >>>>> and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely
    tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not
    surprising.

    Is there a complete list anywhere? I'm also aware of the 2011 WisCon
    withdrawing their Elizabath Moon GoH invitation and last year's
    Worldcon withdrawing their Toni Weisskopf GoH invitation.


    Dave Weingart was kicked off his position as head of filk for the
    Finnish Worldcon for posting a comment to the same forum as someone he
    had been told not to communicate with (not a response to that person).

    (Hal Heydt)
    Not in the same league (as either venue or prominence of names),
    but DunDraCon (I run ConReg) has two people marked as not to be
    sold memberships due to bad behavior.

    What was the alleged bad behavior? Some people are banned for legitimate reasons. Arisia once had a problem with a regularly returning member
    with a habit of soliciting small children. They had to go to court to
    uphold their ban, but it was entirely reasonable.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Sun Jul 31 01:28:45 2022
    In article <tc4i4a$lsj$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 7/30/22 1:34 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <tc3l9o$3thkv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 7/25/22 9:15 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    As an aside, fandom is increasingly intolerant of even the slightest >>>>>> hint of abusive behavior, as witness what happened to Mercedes Lackey >>>>>> at the latest Nebula awards, to Stephanie Burke at the latest Balticon, >>>>>> and Gregory Benford at the 2018 Loscon. By contrast, I'm extremely >>>>>> tolerant, but not infinitely so.

    I had to look up the one about Benford. Disgusting, yet not
    surprising.

    Is there a complete list anywhere? I'm also aware of the 2011 WisCon
    withdrawing their Elizabath Moon GoH invitation and last year's
    Worldcon withdrawing their Toni Weisskopf GoH invitation.


    Dave Weingart was kicked off his position as head of filk for the
    Finnish Worldcon for posting a comment to the same forum as someone he
    had been told not to communicate with (not a response to that person).

    (Hal Heydt)
    Not in the same league (as either venue or prominence of names),
    but DunDraCon (I run ConReg) has two people marked as not to be
    sold memberships due to bad behavior.

    What was the alleged bad behavior? Some people are banned for legitimate >reasons. Arisia once had a problem with a regularly returning member
    with a habit of soliciting small children. They had to go to court to
    uphold their ban, but it was entirely reasonable.

    (Hal Heydt)
    They were both banned for engaging sexual harrassment. In one,
    case of underage women.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sun Jul 31 03:08:20 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Arisia once had a problem with a regularly returning member with
    a habit of soliciting small children. They had to go to court to
    uphold their ban, but it was entirely reasonable.

    Why did they have to go to court? Don't they have the right to ban
    anyone they want for any reason, or even for no reason at all?

    As far as I know Walter Breen didn't attempt to sue Pacificon.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Jul 31 12:09:05 2022
    On 7/30/22 11:08 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Arisia once had a problem with a regularly returning member with
    a habit of soliciting small children. They had to go to court to
    uphold their ban, but it was entirely reasonable.

    Why did they have to go to court? Don't they have the right to ban
    anyone they want for any reason, or even for no reason at all?

    As far as I know Walter Breen didn't attempt to sue Pacificon.

    The person in question sued Arisia. That requires at least filing a
    motion to dismiss, which should have been the end of it, but I'm told it
    went on long enough to cost Arisia significant bucks. I don't know why.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Torbjorn Lindgren@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Sun Jul 31 21:01:32 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 7/30/22 11:08 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    Arisia once had a problem with a regularly returning member with
    a habit of soliciting small children. They had to go to court to
    uphold their ban, but it was entirely reasonable.

    Why did they have to go to court? Don't they have the right to ban
    anyone they want for any reason, or even for no reason at all?

    In the US system you can pretty much always sue for anything and
    everything unless you've been declared a "vexatious litigant", and
    this takes LONG and SUSTAINED effort (as in often 100s of lawsuits
    over decades).


    As far as I know Walter Breen didn't attempt to sue Pacificon.

    The person in question sued Arisia. That requires at least filing a
    motion to dismiss, which should have been the end of it, but I'm told it
    went on long enough to cost Arisia significant bucks. I don't know why.


    Yes, obviously silly lawsuits will get thrown out eventually, but the
    keyword is eventually, it can often cost a LOT of money the reach that
    point.

    US Judges are often very reluctant to dismiss until at least discovery
    is done, and the US systems is set setup to to NOT allow recovery of
    cost spent on defending a lawsuit, however frivolous, with a few
    narrow exception - basícally copyright because, well, the Movie
    industry has bribed the US congress to make sure they can't loose!

    It's gotten so bad that in the last few years a number of states have instituted so-called anti-SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) laws which allows an early exit (IE before costly
    discovery) *and* recover of cost in certain limited cases to try to
    rein this in a bit but I suspect this was too early for that (assuming
    Mass. has SLAPP rules and these would apply to this, which isn't a
    given).

    US patent lawsuits are often similar, it's not uncommon to see
    *obviously* invalid patents that doesn't in any way, shape or form
    apply to what the sued entity is actually doing (even if they had been
    valid!) being leveraged to extract $50-100k settlements, simply
    because "defending to dismissal" will cost a minimum of $1-3M and
    you'll have about 5-10% chance of getting the court to allow cost
    recovery when you win (*not* if!), and that's assuming the patent
    troll has anything to recover from which is unlikely.

    AFAIK US car manufacturer deliberately take this cost of going to
    court rather than settle OCCASIONALLY to make sure anyone who sues
    them knows it MAY end up costing them actual money without an easy
    pay-out - this is to keep the number of obviously silly suits down to
    a manageable level!

    Most of the rest of the world defaults to an "loser pays both sides
    reasonable cost" system (like US copyright cases!) which definitely
    cuts down on the nuisance suits more more effectivelu than even
    anti-SLAPP laws. However, it can also suppress "good" lawsuits as US
    proponents argue so....

    It's one of those cases where both sets of rules have bad
    side-effects...

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Torbjorn Lindgren on Sun Jul 31 21:37:58 2022
    Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> wrote:
    US patent lawsuits are often similar, it's not uncommon to see
    *obviously* invalid patents that doesn't in any way, shape or form
    apply to what the sued entity is actually doing (even if they had
    been valid!) being leveraged to extract $50-100k settlements, simply
    because "defending to dismissal" will cost a minimum of $1-3M and
    you'll have about 5-10% chance of getting the court to allow cost
    recovery when you win (*not* if!), and that's assuming the patent
    troll has anything to recover from which is unlikely.

    I've only been sued once. In that case without hiring a lawyer I got
    the judge to dismiss the case, as it was obviously absurd. (An HOA
    sued me for not paying them. I'm a tenant, not a homeowner, hence I
    owed them nothing.)

    But as everyone here presumably knows by now, almost a half century
    ago I was arrested and falsely accused of several office burglaries.
    I couldn't afford a lawyer, so of course I lost that criminal case,
    and am still officially a convicted felon.

    At that time, an accused person was guilty until proven innocent if
    they could afford a lawyer, or automatically guilty if they couldn't
    afford one. (With very rare exceptions, public defenders only arrange
    plea bargains, they don't go to trial.) The only thing that has
    changed since then is that the proportion of people who can afford
    a defense has greatly dropped.

    Well, once other thing has changed since then. DNA evidence has
    proven that in at least thousands of very serious cases, an innocent
    person was convicted. Obviously there's no reason to think that in
    the tiny proportion of cases where DNA evidence was collected and
    preserved the error rate was any higher than in other cases. So the
    actual number of falsely convicted Americans is certainly in the
    hundreds of thousands, or more likely in the millions. But nobody
    seems to care.

    One of the few government agencies I have respect for is the NTSB.
    When a plane crashes, they figure out why, and order changes that make
    that kind of crash much less likely. And given the current rate of
    plane crashes in the US, this process works quite well.

    After DNA proved that wrongful conviction rates are apallingly high,
    I had hoped that people would be shocked, and that something like the
    NTSB would be created to figure out what had gone so horribly wrong
    with the justice system and fix it. But nobody seems to care. Nobody
    with any power, anyway. Not even enough to automatically expunge old convictions on the grounds that someone who has had a perfectly clean
    record for longer than most people have been alive is either reformed
    or was innocent in the first place.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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